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[treetopovskaya]

it's because she has morals. people HATE that. she's pro life... what a bitch.

highly intelligent people like her? that should maybe tell you something eh?

What's wrong with Palin? An educated mother of 5 whose been with the same man since high school and she runs a state that has given her an 84% approval rating. And unlike Biden she knows that "jobs" is not a 3 letter word.

[treetopovskaya]

what dave said...

gmafb!

Andrew, it is scary, and I'm telling you, go on the internet. There's a very strong possibility she will be the Republican's nominee. Every time I think it's impossible, I talk to people I think would never in a million years be happy about McCain's choice of her as his VP, and they think she's great. It absolutely stuns me. My sister has lost all respect for her husband, not because he's voting strictly Republican, as he always does, but that he has no reservations about Palin. Everywhere I turn highly educated people love her. I thought maybe it was just the far right of the Republican base. I really didn't think anything ever again in politics could make me sick like the re-election of Bush did. But a 2012 Palin election could send me over the deep end.

Give me a break. As much as it shocks you that people like Palin, we're shocked at how many people are actually going to vote for someone like Barack Obama.

[treetopovskaya]

THAT is the real reason people hate her dave. she is pro life & she has morals.

burn the witch! burn her!

}:C)

Style over substance... Time will sort out the finer points. Aussie media is stunned she's made it this far.

Your Media, and one CT Chick

I'm also stunned that people like you are so shocked about her. This is someone who, by all accounts, only ever got involved in politics to begin with because she got pissed at the way the system worked and decided to do something about it. She worked her ass off to root out corruption in her own party and unseated a corrupt, entrenched member of that same part out of the governor's seat in Alaska. She isn't just an empty suit and I'd at least think some would respect her for what she's accomplished, considering where she came from.

Yes, she did come across with the "deer in headlights" look in the Couric interview but, other than that, she's fairly well held her own, in my opinion and isn't any less astonishing in her policy views than Obama is in his (see his views on the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion, for instance).

[annpea]

I have a problem with loopholes and write offs that by overall allow the wealthest to escape fully supporting this country.

Please look at this chart and tell me if you still stand by that statement.

yes I do; line five, on your graph kind of states my point. Straight from the all mighty IRS .... Uhmm, the IRS couldn't be wrong could they?

[The_Noble_Cause]

highly intelligent people like her? that should maybe tell you something eh?

Interesting, considering prominent Conservative intellectuals (George Will, Peggy Noonan, David Brooks etc.) were the first to label her as the social issues distraction she really is.
Like Bush before her, she is simply pandering to the ragtag and bobtail.

[Andrew]

This was a POLL thread.....take the endless debate to the election thread.

[Tito]

Bush isn't running again. Your answer is a scare tactic derived from the DNC. The problem with it is that anyone with even an adolescent education can see through it.

To recieve the party's nomination McCain had to move further and further right, but the corrosion of his principles really started after 2000.
Even on the issues where him and Bush split (torture, global warming) there isn't very much difference.
It's not so much that he's tied to Bush per se, it's that he's tied to the modern GOP platform which is going down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_rbVVCZiVI

I don't have a problem with the modern platform going down. Hopefully, the old one (Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan (more so Buchanan)) comes back.

[Tito]

No matter who wins, no one or no thing could be worse than the last 4 years of G.W. Buffoon.

Don't get too cocky. It may get worse.

[Tito]

No matter who wins, no one or no thing could be worse than the last 4 years of G.W. Buffoon.

I agree. Even McCain would be better than George W. Douche. But Palin... I'm not so sure on that one. It would be hard to imagine anything being worse than Douche... but this woman scares me.

She is scray...I can't believe for a minute she will be a front runner in 2012. C'mon!

What's so scary about her?

[Tito]

Andrew, it is scary, and I'm telling you, go on the internet. There's a very strong possibility she will be the Republican's nominee. Every time I think it's impossible, I talk to people I think would never in a million years be happy about McCain's choice of her as his VP, and they think she's great. It absolutely stuns me. My sister has lost all respect for her husband, not because he's voting strictly Republican, as he always does, but that he has no reservations about Palin. Everywhere I turn highly educated people love her. I thought maybe it was just the far right of the Republican base. I really didn't think anything ever again in politics could make me sick like the re-election of Bush did. But a 2012 Palin election could send me over the deep end.

Style over substance... Time will sort out the finer points. Aussie media is stunned she's made it this far.

Not necessarily. Obama is going to win on style points NOT substance.

[Tito]

I've never said Palin is stupid, not once. I've never said she was an ineffective governor. I've repeatedly stated she is not qualified to be the President of the United States if McCain should die in office. I have no faith in her ability to deal with the war in Iraq, any decisions regarding Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, on and on. I see in her regarding the Iraq war George Bush. Not every governor just because they're a good governor is automatically equipped to be president, i.e., George W. Bush. I have seen nothing in her in any of her interviews, VP debate, rally appearances that shows me that she's Presidential material even if I was a Republican, nor will four years change my mind on her if she decides to run. There's many, many Republicans that even if I don't agree with their stance on certain issues, i.e., McCain on the war, I would never doubt their ability to be Commander in Chief.

And for those of you who are going to tell me that if McCain died in office she could handle Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and all other foreign policy issues just as well as Obama, please. Come on. His deep intellect and grasp of all the issues and even temperment throughout this campaign is impressive. I have faith in him and in his choices for foreign policy advisors, and his decision-making. No faith in Sarah Palin.

What makes you think Obama will be able to handle it too. What is his EXPERIENCE? He may just lay down to them also.

[Tito]

5. Sarah Palin calls herself a reformer, but on earmarks and the "Bridge to Nowhere," she is a hypocrite.

She has decreased spending since coming into office and reformed corruption in her own party. I don't know that either Palin or McCain has said they are completely against earmarks. If so, I retract that part of this statement.

Where's the bridge then? BTW, Obama and Biden both voted FOR the bridge.

[Tito]

This was a POLL thread.....take the endless debate to the election thread.

Oops.

[annpea]

I have a problem with loopholes and write offs that by overall allow the wealthest to escape fully supporting this country.

Please look at this chart and tell me if you still stand by that statement.

yes I do; line five, on your graph kind of states my point. Straight from the all mighty IRS .... Uhmm, the IRS couldn't be wrong could they?

[G.I.Jim]

This was a POLL thread.....take the endless debate to the election thread.

Oops.

Who the fuck does he think he is? Oh...Hey Andrew!

[RossValoryRocks]

There is LOTS of evidence the Republicans stole the elections in 2000 and 2004, and they've been addressed thoroughly in the Presidential thread. Those few studies that were done to "counter" those reports are, in fact, full of holes and do NOT refute much of ANYTHING.

And BTW - Gore would have won in all but two of the two dozen proposed methods of recounting in Florida, and Kerry would have won using ANY OTHER method in Ohio.

Exit polling? Never, ever was it off in an election by more than 0.3 points. However, in 2004 in OHIO ONLY, the exit polls had Kerry winning by 6.0 points - yet he "lost" by 2.5. In NO OTHER STATE was the difference more than 1.3 points...ANYWHERE.

Kinds of reminds me of what happened in Black Sheep with Chris Farley. Al Donelly losing to a bunch of citizens who are dead! Makes you think..what if something similar happened in the last two elections? Somethin' to think about.

No the dead are very liberal bunch and vote Democrat...

Republican's evidently don't want anyone but white, rich Amercians to vote, according to the liberals...

A better analogy would be: The Democrats stuff the ballot box, while the Republicans try and fish the votes out before they get counted.

[strangegrey]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/27/AR2006092700106.html

TNC, Thanks for the link. A good read...and the last few paragraphs were absolutely startling....Powell's last scheduled meeting with the president and the fucking president didn't even know about it. Asleep at the wheel....his whole presidency....

[Behshad]

This was a POLL thread.....take the endless debate to the election thread.

what you shouldve done is to edit your 1st post in the US PRES thread and added the poll there and eliminate this thread. That way youd have the poll AND the discussion in one placeYou could still do that you know

[Behshad]

I agree....the guy has zero experience, never served his country, his family has no legacy for helping build the country, etc. etc.

Wait a sec,,,, Four years ago, you didnt give a damn about who served their country to qualify to be a president , but now you do !?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't have a problem with the modern platform going down. Hopefully, the old one (Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan (more so Buchanan)) comes back.

I'm all for that.
At least you can talk to those guys rationally.