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[Matthew]

Perry's band wasn't bad at all. They got the job done. No it wasn't Journey, but what do you want Perry to do, go out and hire bands that had broken up, like Bad Company, Glass Tiger, Hell, he should have called Bruce and borrowed the Fuckin E Street Band, right? C'mon!?

Exactly. Perty might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

I don't buy the democratic BS thrown around...Perry was the leader, he was the Bruce of Journey.

Nor do I. Democracy wasn't what made this is great band.

[Saint John]

but what do you want Perry to do, go out and hire bands that had broken up

Touring with Journey was what the fans wanted. But he does not now, nor has he ever cared about them.

As for the TBF injury? I believe the man to the fullest. He had no reason to lie.

Other than the fact that he couldn't sing the songs anymore. His output since that injury is proof of that.

Oh boy, this topic again. I have softened on this one, alot. While I was all out to get Augeri's dick in a jar, dude, you have any idea whose idea it was to lip? Go ahead and guess. And while you're at it, think about this- Neal, Cain-Friga, Valory, and Castronovo, not to mention Elson, all went along with it. They were all responsible, equally. You don't think others in the industry didn't know about this? Just because it never made front page entertainment news, people in music knew. Ask Sammy Hagar what he thinks about it. Disgusting. You think those guys have the respect from their peers? hell no they don't.

Don't care whose idea it was. If I tell someone to go stick their dick in a hot waffle iron and they're dumb enough to do it who's the dumbass?

[Rick]

You think touring with a gaggle of bums on the FTLOSM tour singing Journey songs was "protecting the legacy of the band?"

Perry's band wasn't bad at all. They got the job done. No it wasn't Journey, but what do you want Perry to do, go out and hire bands that had broken up, like Bad Company, Glass Tiger, Hell, he should have called Bruce and borrowed the Fuckin E Street Band, right? C'mon!?

Additionally, would you say that deep sixing Chalfant and Rolie, and firing Herbie looked favorably on the band's legacy? Or what about promising to tour circa TBF and then falling down and going boom?

First off, screw Chalfant. I hope TNC doesn't see this, but fuck him. He looks like Jimmy Page on vocals, and is a nice enough guy, but IMO, Perry really did not want the band to go on without him..he was buying time I believe, to get things in order. That was "his" band, make no mistake about it. he had the reigns, he was the reason people came to see them. He called the shots. Contrary to what we all have heard, I don't buy the democratic BS thrown around...Perry was the leader, he was the Bruce of Journey.
As for the TBF injury? I believe the man to the fullest. He had no reason to lie. You can't assume he was on an all out evil destroy mission. That's a bit over the top.

While Schon and Cain might have dribbled some piss on the band's legacy like an after-piss shake, the only one person that ever really pissed on the legacy of the band was the man that stood up there and sang into a microphone that wasn't in the mix. Though I do believe that Cain was also lipping Every Generation...but that shitty song doesn't count!!!

Oh boy, this topic again. I have softened on this one, alot. While I was all out to get Augeri's dick in a jar, dude, you have any idea whose idea it was to lip? Go ahead and guess. And while you're at it, think about this- Neal, Cain-Friga, Valory, and Castronovo, not to mention Elson, all went along with it. They were all responsible, equally. You don't think others in the industry didn't know about this? Just because it never made front page entertainment news, people in music knew. Ask Sammy Hagar what he thinks about it. Disgusting. You think those guys have the respect from their peers? hell no they don't.

I'm still a bit hazy on how exactly they got away with the lipping. Pre-recorded singing would sound different than live. In concert a singer is bound to at least appear out of breath a few times during the show. And there was never an equipment failure to 'out' him? Never a screw up?

That's exactly what outed him. All of a sudden the vocals stopped. It appeared that the mic died, but it was really the hard drive.

[Saint John]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

[stevew2]

You think touring with a gaggle of bums on the FTLOSM tour singing Journey songs was "protecting the legacy of the band?"

Perry's band wasn't bad at all. They got the job done. No it wasn't Journey, but what do you want Perry to do, go out and hire bands that had broken up, like Bad Company, Glass Tiger, Hell, he should have called Bruce and borrowed the Fuckin E Street Band, right? C'mon!?

Additionally, would you say that deep sixing Chalfant and Rolie, and firing Herbie looked favorably on the band's legacy? Or what about promising to tour circa TBF and then falling down and going boom?

First off, screw Chalfant. I hope TNC doesn't see this, but fuck him. He looks like Jimmy Page on vocals, and is a nice enough guy, but IMO, Perry really did not want the band to go on without him..he was buying time I believe, to get things in order. That was "his" band, make no mistake about it. he had the reigns, he was the reason people came to see them. He called the shots. Contrary to what we all have heard, I don't buy the democratic BS thrown around...Perry was the leader, he was the Bruce of Journey.
As for the TBF injury? I believe the man to the fullest. He had no reason to lie. You can't assume he was on an all out evil destroy mission. That's a bit over the top.

While Schon and Cain might have dribbled some piss on the band's legacy like an after-piss shake, the only one person that ever really pissed on the legacy of the band was the man that stood up there and sang into a microphone that wasn't in the mix. Though I do believe that Cain was also lipping Every Generation...but that shitty song doesn't count!!!

Oh boy, this topic again. I have softened on this one, alot. While I was all out to get Augeri's dick in a jar, dude, you have any idea whose idea it was to lip? Go ahead and guess. And while you're at it, think about this- Neal, Cain-Friga, Valory, and Castronovo, not to mention Elson, all went along with it. They were all responsible, equally. You don't think others in the industry didn't know about this? Just because it never made front page entertainment news, people in music knew. Ask Sammy Hagar what he thinks about it. Disgusting. You think those guys have the respect from their peers? hell no they don't.

Im glad you shifted on this dude,

[Jana]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

He didn't WANT to. He wanted his solo career. That was his solo tour.

[Rockindeano]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.


As for sticking your dick in the hot waffle iron, if you didn't do it, then someone would jam a 17' javelin up your ass and skull fuck you with John Holmes cock was the other decision if SA would have said "no." The pressure was insurmountable. I spoke differently about it then, but have reversed my thinking on that. The consequences of him saying no would have been serious serious stuff.

[amaron]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

[Saint John]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!!

As for sticking your dick in the hot waffle iron, if you didn't do it, then someone would jam a 17' javelin up your ass and skull fuck you with John Holmes cock was the other decision if SA would have said "no." The pressure was insurmountable. I spoke differently about it then, but have reversed my thinking on that. The consequences of him saying no would have been serious serious stuff.

Fair enough.

[G.I.Jim]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

Dude....where were you a couple of years ago??? That's ALL you heard on here for awhile.

[Don]

I think that is incorrect, Frank. Neal is on record as saying that they didn't want to re-record anything,

I can tell you personally he has said he wanted to do rerecords many times. They were hyping this idea in 2006. I am a ever present witness to this many times over.

I believe you. I meant as far as re-recording and releasing it. I don't think he wanted to do that...but I could be wrong.

That cuts Perry out of the loop, except for his writing royalty. Which, by all accounts, should be done if he's no longer with the band.

Perry won't get a recording royalty but he still gets writing royalties.

Check out these numbers

Gerry Rafferty - BakerStreet - $50,000 a year

Andy Williams - Can't take my eyes off of you - $150,000 a year

Don McLean - American Pie - $150,000 a year

Paul McCartney - Mull of Kintyre - $150,000 a year

Brendan Graham - You Raise Me Up - Over a million a year (the song has been covered by over one hundred acts in the 10 years since it was wrote)

Having more then one songwriter means less of a cut per song but then again Journey had quite a few hits. Perry won't get a recording royalty for the songs on disc two of revelation but he will always get writing royalties unless he signs them away for a one time payment that would have to be close to the sum of what the royalties are projected to earn for him over his life time. This is why I have never bought into the notion that Neal or Cain are broke, there is just too much money coming in.

Edit = Look on the songwriting credits on Revelation, if Dude's name is there, he is getting paid.

[Saint John]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

If you went to any one of many shows a few years back, you also never heard a word out of him!!!

[Rockindeano]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!!

I could comment here, but I would rather not see Locknload back on here, fuming, challenging me to a knife fight. Or that short ugly fuck, JT. I can hear a faint scream of "fuck you!"..I think it is coming from the Bay Area, 400 miles away.

[Saint John]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!!

I could comment here, but I would rather not see Locknload back on here, fuming, challenging me to a knife fight. Or that short ugly fuck, JT. I can hear a faint scream of "fuck you!"..I think it is coming from the Bay Area, 400 miles away.

[Rockindeano]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!!

I could comment here, but I would rather not see Locknload back on here, fuming, challenging me to a knife fight. Or that short ugly fuck, JT. I can hear a faint scream of "fuck you!"..I think it is coming from the Bay Area, 400 miles away.

You remember that turn of events? All happy, eating, drinking, JT says hello to Lula, smiles, looks at Wyatt, smiles, and then turns to me and transforms into Meguilla Gorilla right smack dab in the middle of a crowded casino/restaurant. "Fuck You!" I got right back in his face, literally.

[Saint John]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!!

I could comment here, but I would rather not see Locknload back on here, fuming, challenging me to a knife fight. Or that short ugly fuck, JT. I can hear a faint scream of "fuck you!"..I think it is coming from the Bay Area, 400 miles away.

You remember that turn of events? All happy, eating, drinking, JT says hello to Lula, smiles, looks at Wyatt, smiles, and then turns to me and transforms into Meguilla Gorilla right smack dab in the middle of a crowded casino/restaurant. "Fuck You!" I got right back in his face, literally.

I remember that quite well. Deen looked so happy to see Lula and meet Wyatt and everything was fine until JT started threatening you about going to the show. Like that didn't exponentially make you want to go to the show even more!!! Yeah, his manners were definitely lacking that day. I got a nice "Fuck you" after telling him that I thought he was very unprofessional. I actually thought that part was kinda funny. You carrying Deen Castronovo's mom on your shoulder like a fireman was fucking classic. She took in in stride. Deen seemed like he had a very nice family.

[Matthew]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!!

I could comment here, but I would rather not see Locknload back on here, fuming, challenging me to a knife fight. Or that short ugly fuck, JT. I can hear a faint scream of "fuck you!"..I think it is coming from the Bay Area, 400 miles away.

Who's JT? Or am I being slow here?

[Rockindeano]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!!

I could comment here, but I would rather not see Locknload back on here, fuming, challenging me to a knife fight. Or that short ugly fuck, JT. I can hear a faint scream of "fuck you!"..I think it is coming from the Bay Area, 400 miles away.

Who's JT? Or am I being slow here?

The Lucifer of NOMATO.

[Matthew]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

The legalities have nothing to do with it. Perry would never record an album or go out on the road without Schon and call the line-up 'Journey'. For all the arguments and the control-freakery and everything else you criticize him for...Perry has never once shown even the slightest sign that he thought Journey could or ought to exist without the 'other voice' of the band.

[Rockindeano]

JoePa13 is going to pee his panties when he reads my disparaging words here. Look for him to throw his purse in anger and to bitch slap somebody's kid.

[Saint John]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

The legalities have nothing to do with it. Perry would never record an album or go out on the road without Schon and call the line-up 'Journey'. For all the arguments and the control-freakery and everything else you criticize him for...Perry has never once shown even the slightest sign that he thought Journey could or ought to exist without the 'other voice' of the band.

Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

[amaron]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

Dude....where were you a couple of years ago??? That's ALL you heard on here for awhile.

Fuck the lipping shit.

I'm talking about the fact that I've never heard talk of him snubbing fans backstage and things like that.

[Rockindeano]

]Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

Aw bullshit. They always says it's Neal's band blah blah blah. Dude, Neal's band sucked before SP arrived, and it sucked after SP left. Even Neal himself said "we gave him the reigns." How else do you define that any other way as NOT being Perry's band? Ok, if it was Neal's band, Perry ran it in his 15 years, how's that?

This is a no brainer.

[Matthew]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

The legalities have nothing to do with it. Perry would never record an album or go out on the road without Schon and call the line-up 'Journey'. For all the arguments and the control-freakery and everything else you criticize him for...Perry has never once shown even the slightest sign that he thought Journey could or ought to exist without the 'other voice' of the band.

Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

All that 'pre-dated' Perry was three albums that went straight to the bargain basement - and Schon's 'ownership' would barely have any value at all had he not handed Perry the keys.

[Matthew]

Steve Augeri is the only person I respect outside of his vocal abilities. I have never heard a bad word about him.

Dude....where were you a couple of years ago??? That's ALL you heard on here for awhile.

Fuck the lipping shit.

I'm talking about the fact that I've never heard talk of him snubbing fans backstage and things like that.

No - he just conned those fans who paid hundreds of dollars to hear him sing live. But hey...as long as he signs autographs everything's okay isn't it?

[Saint John]

]Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

Aw bullshit. They always says it's Neal's band blah blah blah. Dude, Neal's band sucked before SP arrived, and it sucked after SP left. Even Neal himself said "we gave him the reigns." How else do you define that any other way as NOT being Perry's band. Ok, if it was Neal's band, Perry ran it in his 15 years, how's that?

This is a no brainer.

Neal had Herbie run his band. Herbie had a genius plan right down to the name of every future album. Herbie made Journey a household name and was the catalyst for many innovative and bold ideas and concepts. Perry hustled control from Herbert around 1986 and ran the band right into the fucking ground.

[Matthew]

]Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

Aw bullshit. They always says it's Neal's band blah blah blah. Dude, Neal's band sucked before SP arrived, and it sucked after SP left. Even Neal himself said "we gave him the reigns." How else do you define that any other way as NOT being Perry's band. Ok, if it was Neal's band, Perry ran it in his 15 years, how's that?

This is a no brainer.

Neal had Herbie run his band. Herbie had a genius plan right down to the name of every future album. Herbie made Journey a household name and was the catalyst for many innovative and bold ideas and concepts. Perry hustled control from Herbert around 1986 and ran the band right into the fucking ground.

Herbie Herbert couldn't muster up any success whatsoever for Journey until he hired Perry.

[Jana]

Dan, I have it on the most trusted source, Steve loved Journey. He really did.

So do the guys that waited for him from 87 to 94 only to see him tour with others, but when they tried to do the same he used their loyalty against them and conned his way back into the band...only to fuck them again. That's some weird sort of love, dude!!! /quote]


Okay. I believe Dean, that he loved Journey. It seems to me he loved what he created with Journey and was very proud of it and emotional about the music they made together from his interviews. But like SJ said, after '87, not a word from him to the guys, and then he tries the first solo album that didn't go and a few years later in '94 records and releases his first music since '87 and does it solo and tours. So that doesn't show to me his heart was much in the band for the future anymore.

In one of Steve's interviews he states he was the one that called them and got the ball rolling for TBF, but in a different interview he said something along the lines I believe it was Sony kind of pushed it and wanted this deal to happen. I'm fuzzy on that, but I just remember in that interview he was stating something different. I always get the impression he would have liked to have been more of a solo artist after ROR and toured less with his solo releases. Even if he had toured with TBF, I highly doubt they ever would have reunited again.

[Saint John]

Exactly. Perry might have played a few of the old hits in concert but he never called the band 'Journey'.

He couldn't legally do so!!!

The legalities have nothing to do with it. Perry would never record an album or go out on the road without Schon and call the line-up 'Journey'. For all the arguments and the control-freakery and everything else you criticize him for...Perry has never once shown even the slightest sign that he thought Journey could or ought to exist without the 'other voice' of the band.

Journey was Schon's band before Perry and it is his fater Perry. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about when you say Perry wouldn't tour using the name of a band that isn't his and pre-dated him. That's a given.

All that 'pre-dated' Perry was three albums that went straight to the bargain basement - and Schon's 'ownership' would barely have any value at all had he not handed Perry the keys.

It's a two-way street. Had Perry not been given that opportunity he would have been a nobody. He had given up on music and was content building houses for turkeys. I'm quite sure Neal would have landed on his feet.

[Matthew]

God knows why I'm arguing with Saint John about this anyway. Judging from the posts he wrote in his first year on this board he knew full well how crucial Perry is and continues to be to the band. All this recent bashing of the guy is just play-acting....