Who Fractured the Stone?

[epresley]

That damned Bionca Jagger fractured the Stones.

[Rick]

I love Perry, and while he didn't fracture it, he caused the other guys to do it. We can speculate from here to the end of the earth why he didn't tour TBF. My opinion is that he knew he couldn't tour that catalog anymore and used his hip as an excuse. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I think.

So he went so far with his "excuse", as to have major surgery to keep the lie going?
And he had just toured that catalog 2 years ago excellently until he got bronchitis. Why would he think he wouldn't be able to do it again? Two years after TBF he did I Stand Alone, and his voice was as good or better than FTLOSM.

The excuse thing is funny to me. He needed an excuse and just happened to get lucky enough to have needed major reconstructive surgery. Lucky guy!

He did pretty well on the FTLOSM tour, but he was tuned down on the Journey tunes.

He would be singing nothing but Journey songs on the TBF tour. Maybe a solo track of his thrown in here and there. Big difference. And I think you know how big the TBF tour would have been.

I seriously don't think he was up to it at that time. He may be now, who knows? But I think that's what happened.

The line I bolded may very well be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board.

I agree and was showing how stupid it is to think he didn't need surgery and was "making it up".

It's nothing but speculation on any of it. I never said he had surgery and I never said he didn't. I have no way of proving it, either way. I just offered my opinion on how I think it went down.

[madsplash]

I love Perry, and while he didn't fracture it, he caused the other guys to do it. We can speculate from here to the end of the earth why he didn't tour TBF. My opinion is that he knew he couldn't tour that catalog anymore and used his hip as an excuse. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I think.

So he went so far with his "excuse", as to have major surgery to keep the lie going?
And he had just toured that catalog 2 years ago excellently until he got bronchitis. Why would he think he wouldn't be able to do it again? Two years after TBF he did I Stand Alone, and his voice was as good or better than FTLOSM.

The excuse thing is funny to me. He needed an excuse and just happened to get lucky enough to have needed major reconstructive surgery. Lucky guy!

He did pretty well on the FTLOSM tour, but he was tuned down on the Journey tunes.

He would be singing nothing but Journey songs on the TBF tour. Maybe a solo track of his thrown in here and there. Big difference. And I think you know how big the TBF tour would have been.

I seriously don't think he was up to it at that time. He may be now, who knows? But I think that's what happened.

The line I bolded may very well be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board.

I agree and was showing how stupid it is to think he didn't need surgery and was "making it up".

It's nothing but speculation on any of it. I never said he had surgery and I never said he didn't. I have no way of proving it, either way. I just offered my opinion on how I think it went down.

I understand. I'm pretty sure it's fact that he had his hip replacement. He's said so, I think. I read that from him somewhere, but can't remember where.

Now any OTHER surgery he's had vocally isn't known for sure, but there are many, many who say that he did. I guess.................................................Gasp, I haven't said it for a while...........We'll See!

[Rick]

I love Perry, and while he didn't fracture it, he caused the other guys to do it. We can speculate from here to the end of the earth why he didn't tour TBF. My opinion is that he knew he couldn't tour that catalog anymore and used his hip as an excuse. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I think.

So he went so far with his "excuse", as to have major surgery to keep the lie going?
And he had just toured that catalog 2 years ago excellently until he got bronchitis. Why would he think he wouldn't be able to do it again? Two years after TBF he did I Stand Alone, and his voice was as good or better than FTLOSM.

The excuse thing is funny to me. He needed an excuse and just happened to get lucky enough to have needed major reconstructive surgery. Lucky guy!

He did pretty well on the FTLOSM tour, but he was tuned down on the Journey tunes.

He would be singing nothing but Journey songs on the TBF tour. Maybe a solo track of his thrown in here and there. Big difference. And I think you know how big the TBF tour would have been.

I seriously don't think he was up to it at that time. He may be now, who knows? But I think that's what happened.

The line I bolded may very well be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board.

I agree and was showing how stupid it is to think he didn't need surgery and was "making it up".

It's nothing but speculation on any of it. I never said he had surgery and I never said he didn't. I have no way of proving it, either way. I just offered my opinion on how I think it went down.

I understand. I'm pretty sure it's fact that he had his hip replacement. He's said so, I think. I read that from him somewhere, but can't remember where.

Now any OTHER surgery he's had vocally isn't known for sure, but there are many, many who say that he did. I guess.................................................Gasp, I haven't said it for a while...........We'll See!

A lady at work had nodules(?) removed from her vocal cords. The difference is amazing. Her voice went from rough to very smooth. She sounds 20 years younger.

[Don]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

[madsplash]

I love Perry, and while he didn't fracture it, he caused the other guys to do it. We can speculate from here to the end of the earth why he didn't tour TBF. My opinion is that he knew he couldn't tour that catalog anymore and used his hip as an excuse. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I think.

So he went so far with his "excuse", as to have major surgery to keep the lie going?
And he had just toured that catalog 2 years ago excellently until he got bronchitis. Why would he think he wouldn't be able to do it again? Two years after TBF he did I Stand Alone, and his voice was as good or better than FTLOSM.

The excuse thing is funny to me. He needed an excuse and just happened to get lucky enough to have needed major reconstructive surgery. Lucky guy!

He did pretty well on the FTLOSM tour, but he was tuned down on the Journey tunes.

He would be singing nothing but Journey songs on the TBF tour. Maybe a solo track of his thrown in here and there. Big difference. And I think you know how big the TBF tour would have been.

I seriously don't think he was up to it at that time. He may be now, who knows? But I think that's what happened.

The line I bolded may very well be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board.

I agree and was showing how stupid it is to think he didn't need surgery and was "making it up".

It's nothing but speculation on any of it. I never said he had surgery and I never said he didn't. I have no way of proving it, either way. I just offered my opinion on how I think it went down.

I understand. I'm pretty sure it's fact that he had his hip replacement. He's said so, I think. I read that from him somewhere, but can't remember where.

Now any OTHER surgery he's had vocally isn't known for sure, but there are many, many who say that he did. I guess.................................................Gasp, I haven't said it for a while...........We'll See!

A lady at work had nodules(?) removed from her vocal cords. The difference is amazing. Her voice went from rough to very smooth. She sounds 20 years younger.

I know it's dramatic what they can do these days. If he has or hasn't it doesn't matter to me. TBF/ I Stand Alone vocal is great with me.

[Rick]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

I think Perry should do the studio album and let AP tour it. SP could do a song or two, maybe.

[wednesday's child]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

I think Perry should do the studio album and let AP tour it. SP could do a song or two, maybe.

What the heck have you been smoking, Rick?

Seriously, do you think Steve catpuncher Perry would ever consent to that?
No, he'd be thinking "I'm the end-all, be-all of Journey" and demand
firing Arnel, Deen and (yet again, haha) Ross, before he ever showed up.
Shit, he'd have Neal fired too, if he could.

Journey the way it was meant to be, LOL.

I keed, I keeeed.

wech

[Jana]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

I think Perry should do the studio album and let AP tour it. SP could do a song or two, maybe.

You're a bad boy, Rick. The Loonyville brigade is on its way for you.

[Arkansas]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

Not so sure it's a question of if, but rather when.
And yes, I'm all for it.


later~

[Peartree12249]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

Not so sure it's a question of if, but rather when.
And yes, I'm all for it.


later~

It will never happen! IMO

[Jana]

To answer Gunbot's question:

Perry can do his solo album, tour or not tour with it. Arnel can sing with Journey a few more years until he burns out and goes on a less stressful, but lucrative solo tour in the U.S. for all his adoring Plokker fans. Then Steve Perry will reunite with Journey for one last hurrah that will be a massive tour, and they will recoup what the've lost in their stock portfolio and retire. Everyone lives happily ever after. Steve Perry with his cat and Neal with his sixth wife. The End.

[alesson]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

Not so sure it's a question of if, but rather when.
And yes, I'm all for it.


later~

It will never happen! IMO

Knowing the Filipino culture,,Arnel will never have a problem with Perry retaking the helm that all the loonies are craving for to happen... even if it means the end of his career with Journey. It might be what Arnel will be waiting for, a chance to get off the train without hurting any from the band.
After all, by that time it may happen..the rest of the boys are probably rockin the stage in crutches and wheelchairs..

[Matthew]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel?

Yes.

[Saint John]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

My answer is conditional. I would only say yes if Perry agreed to a tour of at least 40 shows. The fans deserve this. I'd go. Personally, if he approached management and said this, my hope would be that they tell him to go fuck his cats.

[Don]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

My answer is conditional. I would only say yes if Perry agreed to a tour of at least 40 shows. The fans deserve this. I'd go. Personally, if he approached management and said this, my hope would be that they tell him to go fuck his cats.

Actually, if it's not about the money, Neal owes it to Arnel to say no, but would it be his decision or Azoff's ?

[Gideon]

I still haven't seen a credible argument for a pro-Perry stance on this. He cracked the stone first, even if you want to pin the TBF fiasco on Neal and company (and you can't).

[Gideon]

Okay, here's a question. If Perry got vocal surgery and approached the band about a reunion, would you all be cool with this, even it means sayonora Arnel? I know AP said he had no problem stepping aside for SP but that was before he started making money off of this gig. What say you people?

No. It would depend greatly on whether or not he could sing up to par (you didn't specify as to quality of surgery) and even then, I'm a little iffy about casting Arnel aside, given his exuberance and earnest acceptance of what an honor it is to be with the band.

[Saint John]

I still haven't seen a credible argument for a pro-Perry stance on this.

Nor will you because there isn't one.

[Liquid_Drummer]

IMHO, the stone being cracked is of no matter. Steve's voice is the only thing that cracked and the term toast IMO was directly referring to his voice more than his burnout factor. All of the talking in between songs on the Ftlosm tour for rest, the hyper speed for early material on ROR tour, his speaking voice seemed very airy and raspy on the Behind the bullshit special and some voice pros have even noted this and commented on it. When Steve laughs you can hear the damage because when you laugh your voice naturally goes up in pitch. When Steve laughs it sounds like there is nuts and bolts rattling around in there. They guy got older and from thousands of shows his voice was damaged or just changed. I say damage/attrition because once Escape hit and they were on top the demand for shows was incredible and he met those demands but at a cost. Once that tour was over the rasp appeared and he gained weight (steroids??).

Yes I am sure he can still sing however his upper tenor has been absent for some time and I would bet that Steve, who is now at 60 is a low/mid baritone that might be able to reach for tenor for short periods. For Steve to hit the high notes on the FTLOSM tour he had to scream and I have heard a couple of shows that were just so dreadful that I felt bad for him. Steve CAN NOT perform the old catalog to his satisfaction or ours or he would be. If you want to hear Anyway you want it two whole steps or more tuned down then keep wishing for a Perry return. As for me, I will be listening to the cd. As many shows as Steve did it is NO surprise that his voice ended up like it is/was.

He can still do the back catalog well enough for his fans. He won't have to do all of it, just the later stuff from Frontiers on, and he WILL be able to. And evev if he couldn't, anything new he puts out, in whatever key, will be more than enough for his fans. I'd much rather hear him sing in his TBF voice on, than not hear him sing at all.

I was at the FTLOSM tour in Pittsburgh, and while some songs had been dropped(who the hell cares?), the man was most defineitely NOT sceaming. He sung his ass of at that show, and on the whole tour until he got bronchitis/pneumonia.

I'm really looking forward to what his voice sounds like now with the information that we've all heard, true or untrue.
If it's improved from TBF, cool. If it's the same or even mellower, that'll be awesome too. Either way, he'll still be one of the best singers on the planet, no matter what range he has. I could care less if he can sing Homeade Love in the original key or not. It's not about that. It's about him creating and sharing it with us again.

I do agree that what ever he sings it will be good. No doubt about that. I am just saying to forget about seeing a FTLOSM type tour with old Journey tunes in it. I dont think he can do them based on what I hear. I like every stage of his voice.

[Peartree12249]

IMHO, the stone being cracked is of no matter. Steve's voice is the only thing that cracked and the term toast IMO was directly referring to his voice more than his burnout factor. All of the talking in between songs on the Ftlosm tour for rest, the hyper speed for early material on ROR tour, his speaking voice seemed very airy and raspy on the Behind the bullshit special and some voice pros have even noted this and commented on it. When Steve laughs you can hear the damage because when you laugh your voice naturally goes up in pitch. When Steve laughs it sounds like there is nuts and bolts rattling around in there. They guy got older and from thousands of shows his voice was damaged or just changed. I say damage/attrition because once Escape hit and they were on top the demand for shows was incredible and he met those demands but at a cost. Once that tour was over the rasp appeared and he gained weight (steroids??).

Yes I am sure he can still sing however his upper tenor has been absent for some time and I would bet that Steve, who is now at 60 is a low/mid baritone that might be able to reach for tenor for short periods. For Steve to hit the high notes on the FTLOSM tour he had to scream and I have heard a couple of shows that were just so dreadful that I felt bad for him. Steve CAN NOT perform the old catalog to his satisfaction or ours or he would be. If you want to hear Anyway you want it two whole steps or more tuned down then keep wishing for a Perry return. As for me, I will be listening to the cd. As many shows as Steve did it is NO surprise that his voice ended up like it is/was.

He can still do the back catalog well enough for his fans. He won't have to do all of it, just the later stuff from Frontiers on, and he WILL be able to. And evev if he couldn't, anything new he puts out, in whatever key, will be more than enough for his fans. I'd much rather hear him sing in his TBF voice on, than not hear him sing at all.

I was at the FTLOSM tour in Pittsburgh, and while some songs had been dropped(who the hell cares?), the man was most defineitely NOT sceaming. He sung his ass of at that show, and on the whole tour until he got bronchitis/pneumonia.

I'm really looking forward to what his voice sounds like now with the information that we've all heard, true or untrue.
If it's improved from TBF, cool. If it's the same or even mellower, that'll be awesome too. Either way, he'll still be one of the best singers on the planet, no matter what range he has. I could care less if he can sing Homeade Love in the original key or not. It's not about that. It's about him creating and sharing it with us again.

I do agree that what ever he sings it will be good. No doubt about that. I am just saying to forget about seeing a FTLOSM type tour with old Journey tunes in it. I dont think he can do them based on what I hear. I like every stage of his voice.

+1 Perry would never agree to sing or go on tour again if his voice wasn't up to par. So if he were to tour again solo or with Journey He'd sound great.

[Liquid_Drummer]

I love Perry, and while he didn't fracture it, he caused the other guys to do it. We can speculate from here to the end of the earth why he didn't tour TBF. My opinion is that he knew he couldn't tour that catalog anymore and used his hip as an excuse. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I think.

So he went so far with his "excuse", as to have major surgery to keep the lie going?
And he had just toured that catalog 2 years ago excellently until he got bronchitis. Why would he think he wouldn't be able to do it again? Two years after TBF he did I Stand Alone, and his voice was as good or better than FTLOSM.

The excuse thing is funny to me. He needed an excuse and just happened to get lucky enough to have needed major reconstructive surgery. Lucky guy!

He did pretty well on the FTLOSM tour, but he was tuned down on the Journey tunes.

He would be singing nothing but Journey songs on the TBF tour. Maybe a solo track of his thrown in here and there. Big difference. And I think you know how big the TBF tour would have been.

I seriously don't think he was up to it at that time. He may be now, who knows? But I think that's what happened.

The line I bolded may very well be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board.

I agree and was showing how stupid it is to think he didn't need surgery and was "making it up".

It's nothing but speculation on any of it. I never said he had surgery and I never said he didn't. I have no way of proving it, either way. I just offered my opinion on how I think it went down.

I understand. I'm pretty sure it's fact that he had his hip replacement. He's said so, I think. I read that from him somewhere, but can't remember where.

Now any OTHER surgery he's had vocally isn't known for sure, but there are many, many who say that he did. I guess.................................................Gasp, I haven't said it for a while...........We'll See!

In defense of the above opinion about him having his cords fixed I noted in the last audio interview he did that his voice what much less raspy, airy and weak sounding and the terrible Joe Pesci crackle laugh was gone. His speaking voice and laugh before this last interview reeked of vocal cords that are not closing all the way which is caused by nodes, broken blood veins (Steven Tyler) etc. After hearing that and rumors I think it may be possible. Maybe he said fuck it, im this old and cant sing as well as I woudl like to so what do I have to lose ? Steven Tyler of Aerosmith had laser surgery and can sing Dream on as damn near as good as he did in 73 IN THE SAME KEY.

[Don]

I love Perry, and while he didn't fracture it, he caused the other guys to do it. We can speculate from here to the end of the earth why he didn't tour TBF. My opinion is that he knew he couldn't tour that catalog anymore and used his hip as an excuse. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I think.

So he went so far with his "excuse", as to have major surgery to keep the lie going?
And he had just toured that catalog 2 years ago excellently until he got bronchitis. Why would he think he wouldn't be able to do it again? Two years after TBF he did I Stand Alone, and his voice was as good or better than FTLOSM.

The excuse thing is funny to me. He needed an excuse and just happened to get lucky enough to have needed major reconstructive surgery. Lucky guy!

He did pretty well on the FTLOSM tour, but he was tuned down on the Journey tunes.

He would be singing nothing but Journey songs on the TBF tour. Maybe a solo track of his thrown in here and there. Big difference. And I think you know how big the TBF tour would have been.

I seriously don't think he was up to it at that time. He may be now, who knows? But I think that's what happened.

The line I bolded may very well be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board.

I agree and was showing how stupid it is to think he didn't need surgery and was "making it up".

It's nothing but speculation on any of it. I never said he had surgery and I never said he didn't. I have no way of proving it, either way. I just offered my opinion on how I think it went down.

I understand. I'm pretty sure it's fact that he had his hip replacement. He's said so, I think. I read that from him somewhere, but can't remember where.

Now any OTHER surgery he's had vocally isn't known for sure, but there are many, many who say that he did. I guess.................................................Gasp, I haven't said it for a while...........We'll See!

In defense of the above opinion about him having his cords fixed I noted in the last audio interview he did that his voice what much less raspy, airy and weak sounding and the terrible Joe Pesci crackle laugh was gone. His speaking voice and laugh before this last interview reeked of vocal cords that are not closing all the way which is caused by nodes, broken blood veins (Steven Tyler) etc. After hearing that and rumors I think it may be possible. Maybe he said fuck it, im this old and cant sing as well as I woudl like to so what do I have to lose ? Steven Tyler of Aerosmith had laser surgery and can sing Dream on as damn near as good as he did in 73 IN THE SAME KEY.

Did anyone see Steve Tyler singing at Chris Botti's show on PBS? He dedicated this song to his dad who was in the front row.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3dHhY03 ... re=related

[EightyRock]

It wouldn't matter if God himself came down and gave Perry a shiny brand spanking new set of vocal cords, Perry wouldn't give Friga and Schon as much as a "fuck you" with them. Perry would never return to Journey, nomatter the state of his voice. For God's sake, do you think he'd associate w/ lippers? Whatever you think of him, first and foremost, he has musical integrity and would never approve of not giving fans their money's worth.

[Deacon]

I doubt Cain and Schon would allow Perry back in for any period of time longer than one reunion tour.

[Gideon]

It wouldn't matter if God himself came down and gave Perry a shiny brand spanking new set of vocal cords, Perry wouldn't give Friga and Schon as much as a "fuck you" with them. Perry would never return to Journey, nomatter the state of his voice. For God's sake, do you think he'd associate w/ lippers? Whatever you think of him, first and foremost, he has musical integrity and would never approve of not giving fans their money's worth.

Yeah, I don't see any of this at all. Contrary to the mythology that Perry operates under this holier-than-thou schtick and justified superiority complex, looking down upon the rest of the world from his private Mount Olympus, when it comes to the musicians he played with, he's gone on record being in total awe of Neal Schon's abilities as a musician. If he could, he'd be crawling back.

[Deacon]

he's gone on record being in total awe of Neal Schon's abilities as a musician.

Recently?

Only joking.

[Gideon]

he's gone on record being in total awe of Neal Schon's abilities as a musician.

Recently?

Only joking.

Of course, I have no way of knowing this exactly, but it's my opinion that Perry truly realizes how his egomania truly inhibited this band. Not completely. People bring up how Perry repented for his ridiculous removal of Valory and Smith, but the exact quote is "If I could, I probably wouldn't do it again." Still too proud to accept that it was an utter mistake.

Oh well. Still the Voice, just makes me laugh when people try to insinuate he was anything more than what he was.

[SusieP]

I don't think the stone cracked because of action by just one member of the band.

I think it eroded over time.

I think SP's inclusion in the band was initially met with some objections. Then when success started to come and the lead singer got most of the attention, as always seems to happen, I think a tiny seed of resentment grew in the others.
Also a bit of friction because Perry's style of singing [crooning they called it at the time] meant they would have to move away from their musical style into something more 'current.'

I think rather than pick a fight, Neal felt the need to start his side project. Either as a release from doing music he felt he had to do with Journey because it was commercially successful or as a break from SP and his rapidly growing ego.

I think that Neal's side project probably irked Steve Perry and he wanted to do a side project himself. Either an ego thing between the founder of the band and the 'new' lead singer - an 'anything you can do I can do better kind of thing' or as a break from the band he 'never felt part of.'

And I think that because of the vast amount of gigs they were playing, they were all starting to get on each others nerves and maybe feeling niggly and petty thoughts about each other..................so, Neal does his side project. SP thinks, hmmmm, I want to do that too. The others think, what about us?
So the erosion between them all begins.



Then during the ROR period when SP seemed to be the top husky dog leading the sled, I think he made a dodgy decision to go with a drum machine.
He may have ridden roughshod over everyone else and demanded he got his own way, or the others could have agreed with his decision after some debates.
I think they all agreed but then thought about it later and felt that they had been bullied into the decision, so the erosion deepened and a crack started to show.

When bands are in each others faces and there is pressure to create more successful music and to tour with it and their rock solid status as bandmates is eroding, the slightest little thing can get blown out of proportion. And when huge egos are in evidence a power struggle begins and a game of one-upmanship ensues. And sometimes people get petty and even spiteful. So basically they all probably behaved like kids trying to get one over on each other.

All of them have probably made decisions and taken action they now regret because they have matured and mellowed.
But I do think the stone cracked because they all needed a break from each other but none of them could actually just say outright - "Stop the Journey machine. I want to get off."

Sure SP hesitated over making a decision about surgery for what we are told was a "degenerative hip disease" and he was reluctant to tour again because his voice was knackered - and sure the guys auditioned people behind his back because they were impatient to get back on the road.

I just think all of them brooded about what was pissing them off about each other but they didn't actually communicate it to each other at the time. So the erosion grew into a crack and the rock split.

Bands split all the time.
Band members piss each other off all the time - but that's what makes life interesting.
I think it is all a natural progression and understandable.
And a band split is like a marriage split. There are two ways of looking at it. And everyone involved has to take some responsibility for the break up.

I still cannot understand the way JSS was announced as permanent and then so sneakily let go.
That one I just cannot get my head around or make an excuse for.

But the split, and the hesitation before surgery was undergone, I can understand.

[Blueskies]

what a fucking stupid thread...

once again, as I said in another thread...
right on!