Question for Madsplash

[Gideon]

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

That is completely subjective. You can't measure emotion. What's the scale? How many times his voice quivers when he sings "Open Arms" or cries during a rendition of "Faithfully"?

Not that I necessarily disagree, but there's where people get confused and try to apply blanket statements over things that cannot be measured.

Okay...let's use YOUR logic here. How do you measure power? How do you measure vocal or breath control? Let me know. Thanks!

Guess you missed that fantastic rebuttal that you asked for. You don't get to change goalposts, Jim. I realize your ego may be bruised, but it was your mistake, not mine. When you reply to my rebuttal, we'll go forward.

[Rockindeano]

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

That is completely subjective. You can't measure emotion. What's the scale? How many times his voice quivers when he sings "Open Arms" or cries during a rendition of "Faithfully"?

Not that I necessarily disagree, but there's where people get confused and try to apply blanket statements over things that cannot be measured.

Okay...let's use YOUR logic here. How do you measure power? How do you measure vocal or breath control? Let me know. Thanks!

Guess you missed that fantastic rebuttal that you asked for. You don't get to change goalposts, Jim. I realize your ego may be bruised, but it was your mistake, not mine. When you reply to my rebuttal, we'll go forward.

God forbid, someone else disagrees with you. Ego bruised? Dude, you aren't all that. You lay claim to being correct all the time. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Deacon]

God forbid, someone else disagrees with you. Ego bruised? Dude, you aren't all that. You lay claim to being correct all the time. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

How about you provide some reinforcement to that claim, Deano?

[Gideon]

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

That is completely subjective. You can't measure emotion. What's the scale? How many times his voice quivers when he sings "Open Arms" or cries during a rendition of "Faithfully"?

Not that I necessarily disagree, but there's where people get confused and try to apply blanket statements over things that cannot be measured.

Okay...let's use YOUR logic here. How do you measure power? How do you measure vocal or breath control? Let me know. Thanks!

Guess you missed that fantastic rebuttal that you asked for. You don't get to change goalposts, Jim. I realize your ego may be bruised, but it was your mistake, not mine. When you reply to my rebuttal, we'll go forward.

God forbid, someone else disagrees with you. Ego bruised? Dude, you aren't all that. You lay claim to being correct all the time. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

He's entitled to disagree with me. But he's subscribed to some logical fallacies in his effort to jump on the bandwagon. Well, it wasn't a clean jump; he stumbled and demanded a response. I gave him one and now he wants to switch the subject to something else.

He doesn't dictate the terms. He asked for a response, I complied. And I expect him to either prove his case or let it go.

[G.I.Jim]

By the way, Jim, I don't intend for this to get personal, but you've committed some logical fallacies that boggle the mind. Take the time to read carefully rather than jump to Perry's defense.[/quote]

Okay...maybe I should've read every word in your rediculous statement before I commented. I skimmed through it and took out of it that you were saying Arnel was a better singer than Perry. Like I said in my other post...everything you've stated other than the vocal range is purely subjective unless you can show me how to measure power, vocal control, and breath control. Lets hear what ya got!

[Saint John]

rediculous

Strangegrey and a few others do this as well, so don't think I'm just picking on you, Jim, for being a dumbass, but what fucking word is that? I think you are referring to the word "ridiculous." Surprised that Gideon Webster didn't jump your ass on that one.

[G.I.Jim]

rediculous

Strangegrey and a few others do this as well, so don't think I'm just picking on you, Jim, for being a dumbass, but what fucking word is that? I think you are referring to the word "ridiculous." Surprised that Gideon Webster didn't jump your ass on that one.

You can both feel free to gobble the cock at any time fuckers!

[Rockindeano]

Come on Dan, GI Jem is from the South. Give him a break, or 5.

[Deacon]

Come on Dan, GI Jem is from the South. Give him a break, or 5.

Can you provide any reinforcement for that claim?

[G.I.Jim]

I can't believe I even got started on this RIDICULOUS fucking arguement. Why? Arnel is a great singer who I like and respect. He is not Steve Perry, and never will be. I'm not knocking him, but he's just a shadow of Perry. You can call him better on whatever level you want to (breath control, range, power), but does it make a damn bit of difference? Hell no! It's all subjective when it comes to vocals other than range. See how many people buy a solo album from Arnel, then see how many buy Perry's.

Steve Perry has something so unique in his voice that it has touched hundreds of millions of people for nearly 30 years. They've tried to replace him several times, and while the other singers were (and are) great...they're not replacing that magic that he brought to the band. Be it inflection in his voice, tone, range, power, songwriting...there will never be another Steve Perry. And Gideon...you can kiss my ass!

[Gideon]

By the way, Jim, I don't intend for this to get personal, but you've committed some logical fallacies that boggle the mind. Take the time to read carefully rather than jump to Perry's defense.

Okay...maybe I should've read every word in your rediculous statement before I commented. I skimmed through it and took out of it that you were saying Arnel was a better singer than Perry. Like I said in my other post...everything you've stated other than the vocal range is purely subjective unless you can show me how to measure power, vocal control, and breath control. Lets hear what ya got! [/quote]

I said that Arnel is a better, technically, than Perry as of Trial By Fire. Power can be measured through strength of the singing, force. Control is measured through sustaining, maintaining, and manipulating pitch without issue. Breath control can be measured through how often the singer needs to breath relative to control and power.

There's no need to jump my ass, Jim. You were the one who brought us to this point.

[Rockindeano]

Come on Dan, GI Jem is from the South. Give him a break, or 5.

Can you provide any reinforcement for that claim?

Way to quote, Valedicktorian.

[Saint John]

[feel free to gobble the cock at any time

Simply outstanding, Jim. Gonna use that one tomorrow on a coworker that has been a real fuckin' pain in the ass lately.

[G.I.Jim]

Come on Dan, GI Jem is from the South. Give him a break, or 5.

Can you provide any reinforcement for that claim?

Way to quote, Valedicktorian.

BTW Deano...your pig picture won my vote for best of show!

[Rockindeano]

[feel free to gobble the cock at any time

Simply outstanding, Jim. Gonna use that one tomorrow on a coworker that has been a real fuckin' pain in the ass lately.

No way does Jem get the credit for "cock gobbler." stevew as that phrase patented. He must have called Friga that 693 times at least.

[Gideon]

I can't believe I even got started on this RIDICULOUS fucking arguement.

Neither can I. You reacted impulsively and jumped into the fray without reading any of it.

Why?

I'd like to know that myself.

Arnel is a great singer who I like and respect.

Agreed.

He is not Steve Perry, and never will be.

Obviously, and for a multitude of reasons not limited to different names, ethnicity, and biology.

I'm not knocking him, but he's just a shadow of Perry.

Of Perry in his prime. Not Perry as of TBF.

You can call him better on whatever level you want to (breath control, range, power), but does it make a damn bit of difference?

It does.

Hell no!

Indeed?

It's all subjective when it comes to vocals other than range.

Indeed?

See how many people buy a solo album from Arnel, then see how many buy Perry's.

Yes, using the Rockindeano patented logic. This has fuck all to do with how talented and how skilled a singer is. I refer you to Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger; guess they're better than either Perry or Arnel.

Steve Perry has something so unique in his voice that it has touched hundreds of millions of people for nearly 30 years.

This is relevant how?

They've tried to replace him several times, and while the other singers were (and are) great...they're not replacing that magic that he brought to the band.

Relevant. How.

Be it inflection in his voice, tone, range, power, songwriting...there will never be another Steve Perry.

Songwriting? Again; Jim, meet Bob Dylan.

And Gideon...you can kiss my ass!

Charming.

Shame that we're at odds now, I'm rather fond of you.

[G.I.Jim]

[feel free to gobble the cock at any time

Simply outstanding, Jim. Gonna use that one tomorrow on a coworker that has been a real fuckin' pain in the ass lately.

Don't ignite the launch sequence Dan.

[Deacon]

Come on Dan, GI Jem is from the South. Give him a break, or 5.

Can you provide any reinforcement for that claim?

Way to quote, Valedicktorian.

Way to denote yourself as completely and irrefutably childish, Deano. All I'm asking for is a simple reinforcement from you.

Can you not provide it?

[Rockindeano]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

[Deacon]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

So you can't?

That's what I thought.

Good fight, Deano.

[Rockindeano]

Come on Dan, GI Jem is from the South. Give him a break, or 5.

Can you provide any reinforcement for that claim?

Way to quote, Valedicktorian.

Way to denote yourself as completely and irrefutably childish, Deano. All I'm asking for is a simple reinforcement from you.

Can you not provide it?

Reinforce what? What in the hell are you talking about? If I want academia, I will read Shakespeare or watch a news show. This is MR. People can leave their diplomas at the door. And before you try to one up me in education, stop right now. You are at least 8 years behind me.

[Deacon]

God forbid, someone else disagrees with you. Ego bruised? Dude, you aren't all that. You lay claim to being correct all the time. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

How about you provide some reinforcement to that claim, Deano?

The latent use of strawman aside, there you go, Deano.

That is what I am referring to.

[Uno_up]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

I'll second that. Hopefully when I check in again in another week or two, Strange Medicine and his alter ego are gone.

[Gideon]

Fucking annoying.

Your tolerance and patience are legendary.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon?

No, you tend to be there quite often, too. Your actual participation is somewhat spotty, though. You do stick around long enough to deliver your threats... just not long enough to fulfill them.

others come in and immediately leave.

Who? Jim? He came back, too.

There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect.

That's only in your case, is it?

You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

You'll get over it.

[G.I.Jim]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

I have to agree. You break down every fucking sentence and analyze every word and dissect it like you're in a lab or math class. There's more to Journey than how high they hit notes, how fast Neal plays guitars, and how hard Deen hits the drums. If you want to debate so damn bad...take up a debate class in school and leave the shit there! Debating is not a bad thing, but that's ALL you two do. Grow up, loosen up, and enjoy life. It's too short to spend it trying to prove something to yourself.

[Gideon]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

I have to agree. You break down every fucking sentence and analyze every word and dissect it like you're in a lab or math class. There's more to Journey than how high they hit notes, how fast Neal plays guitars, and how hard Deen hits the drums. If you want to debate so damn bad...take up a debate class in school and leave the shit there! Debating is not a bad thing, but that's ALL you two do. Grow up, loosen up, and enjoy life. It's too short to spend it trying to prove something to yourself.

Funnily enough, we were getting along and joking not too long ago. My personal policy with this place is that I take nothing personal. You're the one posting shit like "lol kiss my ass."

[Deacon]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

I have to agree. You break down every fucking sentence and analyze every word and dissect it like you're in a lab or math class. There's more to Journey than how high they hit notes, how fast Neal plays guitars, and how hard Deen hits the drums. If you want to debate so damn bad...take up a debate class in school and leave the shit there! Debating is not a bad thing, but that's ALL you two do. Grow up, loosen up, and enjoy life. It's too short to spend it trying to prove something to yourself.

I see nothing wrong with debate when applicable, whether it be structured (such as debate class), or non- (like fulfilling the purpose of a forum). I follow the same policy that Gideon does: Nothing is taken personal here.

[Rip Rokken]

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?

Just what the Hell is this supposed to mean?

Good find Deano. What in the hell does it mean?

It means there are some very sick people on here...No sense of humor at all...LOL...This is getting pretty tiresome...
same old topic all the time...
Yes we love Steve and we want some new music...but folks, GET A LIFE, change the subject please. I'm getting too old to keep reading the same crap day after day....
MS, as soon as you get some new info, please post it but until then please keep quiet..

Dean, we need to hear more from you...

PS, Dean....miss you and love you...say Hello to Lula and kiss Wyatt for me.

I took it to be Rip just being funny. It was a witty, sarcastic comeback, the hallmark of MR humor.

Witty? I'll remember that the next time someone makes a "witty" comeback/remark and directs it towards Pineda.

I am a bit confused, because Rip is an all class guy, and yet if I wasn't the complete dipshit that I am, I could swear he is poking ridicule at Perry. I hope to Hell that isn't the case, especially from a guy who vehemently defends Mr. Pineda at any and all costs.

I'll await his answer.

LOL... My sense of humor seems to be the subject of much study lately, from one liners to avatars. People are debating the true meaning of my jokes like they were trying to figure out Neal Peart's lyrics. Sweet!!!! I'll dissect this one to give those interested an inside look at the machinations of my finely-tuned noodle.

Definitely not a shot at SP nor containing any hidden subtexts; rather, the unexpected twist in the punchline is a form of self-depreciating humor, feigning ignorance of the subject in the extreme. It's another take on the old "Who's buried in Grant's tomb" question. The same was used when I referenced Humperdinck as a pre-Perry Journey singer in that other thread. It is April Fools!

[G.I.Jim]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

I have to agree. You break down every fucking sentence and analyze every word and dissect it like you're in a lab or math class. There's more to Journey than how high they hit notes, how fast Neal plays guitars, and how hard Deen hits the drums. If you want to debate so damn bad...take up a debate class in school and leave the shit there! Debating is not a bad thing, but that's ALL you two do. Grow up, loosen up, and enjoy life. It's too short to spend it trying to prove something to yourself.

Funnily enough, we were getting along and joking not too long ago. My personal policy with this place is that I take nothing personal. You're the one posting shit like "lol kiss my ass."

Dude I like to laugh and have fun in here just as much as everyone. Laughter is the main thing in my life that keeps me going. I have cut up with you several times, and had fun while doing so. I just feel like ALL you want to do in here is debate. If that's the case...fine. Have fun. I don't think many other people in here like it when you do.

Another thing is that while I do like an occassional debate, I don't like being talked down to like I'm stupid. I may not have a college degree, but I'm far from stupid. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, and I think interacting with others may be a weakness for you. Spelling is one of mine (which is funny as hell because I won the 5th grade spelling bee for my entire school district). Take from this what you will, but life is more than black and white, and debating.

[Gideon]

Fucking annoying.

Notice how every thread you are in, the only constant participant is Deacon? others come in and immediately leave. There's a reason for that, and no, it's not because you kicked their ass with your intellect. You and your buddy are just fucking annoying.

I have to agree. You break down every fucking sentence and analyze every word and dissect it like you're in a lab or math class. There's more to Journey than how high they hit notes, how fast Neal plays guitars, and how hard Deen hits the drums. If you want to debate so damn bad...take up a debate class in school and leave the shit there! Debating is not a bad thing, but that's ALL you two do. Grow up, loosen up, and enjoy life. It's too short to spend it trying to prove something to yourself.

Funnily enough, we were getting along and joking not too long ago. My personal policy with this place is that I take nothing personal. You're the one posting shit like "lol kiss my ass."

Dude I like to laugh and have fun in here just as much as everyone. Laughter is the main thing in my life that keeps me going. I have cut up with you several times, and had fun while doing so. I just feel like ALL you want to do in here is debate. If that's the case...fine. Have fun. I don't think many other people in here like it when you do.

Another thing is that while I do like an occassional debate, I don't like being talked down to like I'm stupid. I may not have a college degree, but I'm far from stupid. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, and I think interacting with others may be a weakness for you. Spelling is one of mine (which is funny as hell because I won the 5th grade spelling bee for my entire school district). Take from this what you will, but life is more than black and white, and debating.

Understandable. But that wasn't what I was trying to do; the whole reason behind my incredulity regarding your response is because I regard you as someone who is funny and intelligent.

This was all detailed in a private message which you saw fit to ignore.

The ball's in your court. I've made my point and I'll leave it at that.