Neal Schon vs Hugo & Evolution tribute Band

[Blueskies]

I realize everyone is entitled to their opinion. And maybe some folks aren't bright enough to read the domain name on the page, or the words SEPARATE WAYS - or are maybe even fooled into believing that Journey is playing a small cafe in town? But surely us diehards can see that this isn't Evolution or even a Hugo show, but something that was put together in Hawaii where Hugo flew out to guest.

Hmm, isn't this also the same venue that festered rumors last year that Steve Perry was playing a gig there?

I'm sure that all of this must amount to some very frustrating situations for Neal, no doubt - but clearly Hugo isn't masterminding it all.

We diehards yes, clearly know the difference but there are so many casual fans who will not. Shoot, when I went to concerts when Soto was with the band I heard many comments by people mistaking HIM for Perry or say things like " Perry isn't with the band anymore?" after Soto took the stage....so Neal has a point with this.
I also agree with you that theres been something funky going on in connection with that club in Hawaii.....by someone.

[Rick]

evolution had nothing to do with that poster or that gig ..... the band that did that should have know and i don't blame neal on this ,,,, this is why in evolution we do not mislead ,,, this is just proff of what can happen

we were never advertised as journey ,, we we a surprise guest ,,,they never said who we were , we just played 5 songs and left ...... can't talk more about this other then thiis a closed book on this and we have moved foraward and this it is not why we can not do what all other tributes are doing on there websites

Well the fact that you're being confused for them, while I'm sure is a compliment, has got to be annoying to Neal. Why not do what Frontiers is doing? Play the music and drop the mimicry. It's working for them, and you don't see Neal going after them. In fact, he auditioned one of them. Tell Hugo to lose the yellow leopard shirt and the tux tails. You've already gotten rid of the Journey artwork, so you're almost there. I'm sure you don't want to wind up in court over it.

[Jeremey]

I have no idea what's going on with any of this. Escape, Evolution in CA, Evolution in NY, now some tribute in Hawaii with a pic of Hugo??? I have no idea about any of this and can't comment to any of it other than this:

Frontiers does not use any Journey graphics or iconic imagery on our website or advertisement. I have licensed artwork that appears on our website that has nothing to do with Journey. Additionally, we do not have any video of Frontiers performing Journey songs on our website. While we do link to YouTube, nothing we own or rent vis a vis bandwidth is breaking any copyright laws.

Obviously Neal knows who Frontiers is, but not knowing what this issue is, I don't think it's my place to comment on any of it.

[Blueskies]

evolution had nothing to do with that poster or that gig ..... the band that did that should have know and i don't blame neal on this ,,,, this is why in evolution we do not mislead ,,, this is just proff of what can happen

we were never advertised as journey ,, we we a surprise guest ,,,they never said who we were , we just played 5 songs and left ...... can't talk more about this other then thiis a closed book on this and we have moved foraward and this it is not why we can not do what all other tributes are doing on there websites

Well the fact that you're being confused for them, while I'm sure is a compliment, has got to be annoying to Neal. Why not do what Frontiers is doing? Play the music and drop the mimicry. It's working for them, and you don't see Neal going after them. In fact, he auditioned one of them. Tell Hugo to lose the yellow leopard shirt and the tux tails. You've already gotten rid of the Journey artwork, so you're almost there. I'm sure you don't want to wind up in court over it.

Agreed! They can have their own artwork without mimmicking Journey's....come up with something original! The mimicry in dress is tacky as heck anyway. Just sing and play the music and bill prominately as a tribute band.

[Ligzig]

We're getting circular here. Don't you think? Liking or disliking a voice is an opinion. Being able to clearly discern who is who, moves a little more into the fact category supported by a fairly educated set of ears. I'm assuming that anyone who posts here, has educated ears (or else you'd be on a Nirvana or Pearl Jam Board)....

LOL, agreed.

I just think you might need to tone down the rhetoric. I'm not the only one who's going to go "hey, calm down you've only got 30 posts"....Andrew's bitch slapped and banned posters with more posts than you for coming in without much past contribution and firing a few rounds into the crowd. I'd love to see more posters come in here....but I gaurantee you, my first 30-100 posts here weren't arrogant (not saying yours are) or argumentative....

I waited until about post 101

Yes sir.

[steveperryfan]

I have no idea what's going on with any of this. Escape, Evolution in CA, Evolution in NY, now some tribute in Hawaii with a pic of Hugo??? I have no idea about any of this and can't comment to any of it other than this:

Frontiers does not use any Journey graphics or iconic imagery on our website or advertisement. I have licensed artwork that appears on our website that has nothing to do with Journey. Additionally, we do not have any video of Frontiers performing Journey songs on our website. While we do link to YouTube, nothing we own or rent vis a vis bandwidth is breaking any copyright laws.

Obviously Neal knows who Frontiers is, but not knowing what this issue is, I don't think it's my place to comment on any of it.

hey jeremy ... hugo did a one off gig with a band in hawaii with out evolution ....... now about the youtube video ... i know from personal experience , we have paid lawers alot of money to keep our website legal and this is what i can tell you about the youtube stuff . linking or embedding to a video with out a sync permission is still not aloud , you are linking to a video with knowledge of no sync permission ( if you know about it then you can not use it). it is not legal andis in enforcable trust me on this ,.. we would love to do it ... neal sure does know of you like othersd out there ... but is not bothered so until you urk him in some way he lets it slide ... it just goes to provr that he went on you tube and saw all of the tributes to find a singer ,,, you graphic came from i think shutter stock ,, it looks cool .. i would have used it if you didn't ,,, i had to make something from scratch ,,, some bands out there thought if you design it your self it is ok .. it is not you can not use the scarab legally in a music forum ....

[Rip Rokken]

i had to make something from scratch ,,, some bands out there thought if you design it your self it is ok .. it is not you can not use the scarab legally in a music forum ....

I've always wondered how some KISS tribute bands get away with using the KISS logo plain as day on their stages.

[Aaron]

That wanker is me. No argument on the tour schedule differences either. The point is, the music sounds as it should in the proper key. Journey should back off the schedule and stay true to to the music if Arnel can't do the schedule. I also agree with you that Hugo should do his own thing, he is wasting his talent.

Yeah - with people using the artwork and the name Journey inappropriately. And if it's true, he has every right to be pissed off. Being a tribute band is one thing. But if someone is using the Journey logo and misleading people like Neal claims - it is not acceptable. He has every right to want to protect what he has built with Journey.

Agreed. A lot of Hugo's stuff is really good, but he should stick to doing his own stuff- that means touring it, promoting it. If I had that talent and distribution, I would not waste time doing a cover thing. I'd want to stand out on my own. Watching Hugo do the Perry thing is... well, it's kinda creepy Beav. Looks more dorky than cool to me, though the mofo can definitely sing, though he doesn't have the power of Perry or Arnel. However, if he wants to do a tribute thing, that's cool, but it has to be clear that it's a tribute. I'm amazed at how many Joe 6packs out there cannot (or do not) read the fine print. It's obvious that it's a tribute act, but there are some that see what they want to see. I think that for the tribute band to follow Journey around is good business for them, but they really should respect Schon's wishes, especially if they want to keep doing what they're doing.

To the wankers that keep saying "well, at least Hugo sings it in the original key"- yeah, you try doing the touring schedule Journey's doing and see how long you hold up. Hugo's band doesn't have the schedule that Journey does.

[cyndy!]

i had to make something from scratch ,,, some bands out there thought if you design it your self it is ok .. it is not you can not use the scarab legally in a music forum ....

I've always wondered how some KISS tribute bands get away with using the KISS logo plain as day on their stages.

i had a discussion with a few designers after a client asked me to design a logo for them that looked like the kiss logo. apparently, the kiss "logo" that we all recognize is just typed from a font, so you could just type any word with it & not have any legal issues. i'm sure it gets trickier when you actually use the word "kiss" in that font though.

[Aaron]

Rip,

The Bamboozle gig was not advertised as Journey at all. Evolution was advertised as a "special guest". The band came out unnounced, played four or five songs and split. The some folks in the audience thought they had seen Journey with Perry. Some dumb ass from Rolling Stone reported that Journey was there as well. Folks believed it was Journey because Evolution is that good. The definition of bamboozle is hoodwinked, so it all seemed to fit pretty well so with a title like that, wouldn't you expected to be fooled?

I would think Schon would relax and do his thing. I'm not sure why he would be bothered by any of this unless he's threatened. You wouild think that if he had a problem with it, he'd pick up the phone and call like an adult instead of blowing crap on a stupid facebook page. I'm sure Neal's message will be the only one out there as lawyers will likely have clamped down on everyone else. The fucker needs to grow up.

Steveperryfan, thanks for sharing your input.

L8r,

Aaron

Neal has a definite point -- does anyone remember the gig earlier in the year (or was it last year) where Evolution was basically advertised AS Journey? There was a thread here about it, and an article mentioning that many people were fooled and thought they were watching Journey. Some YouTube clips, too. I don't know if that promotion came from the band or the venue, but I'm surprised it still continues.

[MCC620]

hmmm wonder if the constant postings by lights and fronties (not knocking them about it) about their shows on the old "journey" forum have anything to do with this too? i see jeremey is now posting in the "everchangingname" forum.........

[Rockindeano]

Heads up! ESCAPE the ( Journey tribute band ) will most likely be hitting your town selling this crap as (The Journey Show) Fraudulent and misleading .

i don't know anything about the band he's referring to, but from the statement above, i understood that neal may have an issue with the band advertising themselves as "the journey show." i would consider that fraudulent & misleading, if that were true.

The "Journey Show" is no more fraudulent than a "Night with Journey and the Tape Machine."

Remember that shit Schon? Of course you don't, you had no knowledge of that did you?

If anyone is a fraudulent act, it's you and your band. We should have brought a class action suit against you and Azoff for all the deception you brought to the stage.

[portland]

Heads up! ESCAPE the ( Journey tribute band ) will most likely be hitting your town selling this crap as (The Journey Show) Fraudulent and misleading .

i don't know anything about the band he's referring to, but from the statement above, i understood that neal may have an issue with the band advertising themselves as "the journey show." i would consider that fraudulent & misleading, if that were true.

The "Journey Show" is no more fraudulent than a "Night with Journey and the Tape Machine."

Remember that shit Schon? YOU are the fraudulent act, not Hugo.

See this is what I mean......I am being compared to you over at WTF???? I could never come up with this post!!!

[Rockindeano]

Heads up! ESCAPE the ( Journey tribute band ) will most likely be hitting your town selling this crap as (The Journey Show) Fraudulent and misleading .

i don't know anything about the band he's referring to, but from the statement above, i understood that neal may have an issue with the band advertising themselves as "the journey show." i would consider that fraudulent & misleading, if that were true.

The "Journey Show" is no more fraudulent than a "Night with Journey and the Tape Machine."

Remember that shit Schon? YOU are the fraudulent act, not Hugo.

See this is what I mean......I am being compared to you over at WTF???? I could never come up with this post!!!

I wouldn't know, I don't go over to that site.

[portland]

Heads up! ESCAPE the ( Journey tribute band ) will most likely be hitting your town selling this crap as (The Journey Show) Fraudulent and misleading .

i don't know anything about the band he's referring to, but from the statement above, i understood that neal may have an issue with the band advertising themselves as "the journey show." i would consider that fraudulent & misleading, if that were true.

The "Journey Show" is no more fraudulent than a "Night with Journey and the Tape Machine."

Remember that shit Schon? YOU are the fraudulent act, not Hugo.

See this is what I mean......I am being compared to you over at WTF???? I could never come up with this post!!!

I wouldn't know, I don't go over to that site.

I don't either....but I was told that I was mentioned and went to see what was said.....

[Don]

If Journey isn't really touring until 2011, Schon should be happy that these bands are out there keeping the music in the spotlight. If you're not touring, how can they take ticket or record sales away from you?
Unless he's pissed that these bands keep Perry's name relevant in the public eye while Journey's current singer still keeps getting labeled as the Asian Steve Perry instead of being called by his own name.

[Jeremey]

A little off topic, but just to make a point here...

Tribute acts obviously serve a purpose whether the act is current or long dead and gone. Obviously the most successful tribute shows (1964, Zoso, Badfish, etc) are essentially replacing an act that doesn't exist anymore, but even those acts like Journey, KISS, etc have an audience. People obviously pay money to come see the shows.

Journey is a perfect example of how this works to the tribute band's advantage, to the fan's advantage, and to the original artist's advantage. We certainly do well out there and there's a demand for us, as evidenced by our touring schedule and attendance. As a fan, I believe it's a pretty big deal to drop $50-90 a ticket to see the actual Journey, and would plan for it, and make it a nice event. However, if I'm a big fan of Journey, and there's a good tribute show out there, I'd just as soon drop $10-20 bucks to see that show as I would to go see a movie. For that amount of money, I won't get the "star factor" of seeing a Neal Schon or Arnel Pineda out there, but I'm probably going to see a more diverse set list, a longer show, and odds are I'll have better seats! If it's a good band, I'm definitely going to get my money's worth. The original artist is going to benefit because the act is out there promoting their music - The casual fan is probably going to spin the record a few more times (or buy another copy of it), and in all likelihood be more apt to go see the show when the original act comes to town.

No tribute act is going to put a dent in the actual artist's draw at a concert. It's a win-win for all involved, if you ask me.

But obviously I'm biased.

[steveo777]

A little off topic, but just to make a point here...

Tribute acts obviously serve a purpose whether the act is current or long dead and gone. Obviously the most successful tribute shows (1964, Zoso, Badfish, etc) are essentially replacing an act that doesn't exist anymore, but even those acts like Journey, KISS, etc have an audience. People obviously pay money to come see the shows.

Journey is a perfect example of how this works to the tribute band's advantage, to the fan's advantage, and to the original artist's advantage. We certainly do well out there and there's a demand for us, as evidenced by our touring schedule and attendance. As a fan, I believe it's a pretty big deal to drop $50-90 a ticket to see the actual Journey, and would plan for it, and make it a nice event. However, if I'm a big fan of Journey, and there's a good tribute show out there, I'd just as soon drop $10-20 bucks to see that show as I would to go see a movie. For that amount of money, I won't get the "star factor" of seeing a Neal Schon or Arnel Pineda out there, but I'm probably going to see a more diverse set list, a longer show, and odds are I'll have better seats! If it's a good band, I'm definitely going to get my money's worth. The original artist is going to benefit because the act is out there promoting their music - The casual fan is probably going to spin the record a few more times (or buy another copy of it), and in all likelihood be more apt to go see the show when the original act comes to town.

No tribute act is going to put a dent in the actual artist's draw at a concert. It's a win-win for all involved, if you ask me.

But obviously I'm biased.

I think that's a good way of looking at it.

[treetopovskaya]

i love tribute bands & cover bands. }=C)

[Don]

Judging by the interviews he gives, Neal is such a bitter little cuss. I wonder if Arnel has any more more of that pixie dust he used on Jon to make him a better person? Schon could definitely use a spoonful or two.

[portland]

I just don't think Neal gets it.....and well the simple fact that Hugo looks and emulates Perry....must just piss him off!! If bands are out there covering the material does that not promote the band who orignates the music????...oh that must be a problem considering that the DD was originated by another line up....my bad!!!

[Don]

Perry was supposed to be the whiner in the group. Neal is doing a good job emulating him as of late.

[portland]

Perry was supposed to be the whiner in the group. Neal is doing a good job emulating him as of late.

Yes he seems to have something stuck up his ass...should he not be happy as hell with his new line up and all the success that he is having??

[whirlwind]

Perry was supposed to be the whiner in the group. Neal is doing a good job emulating him as of late.

Of Late! You must have not seen the interview around the ROR time.

[Don]

Perry was supposed to be the whiner in the group. Neal is doing a good job emulating him as of late.

Yes he seems to have something stuck up his ass...should he not be happy as hell with his new line up and all the success that he is having??

He's probably bent that Azoff is shutting him down for next year. If he had his way, they'd tour 10 months out of the year.

[portland]

Perry was supposed to be the whiner in the group. Neal is doing a good job emulating him as of late.

Yes he seems to have something stuck up his ass...should he not be happy as hell with his new line up and all the success that he is having??

He's probably bent that Azoff is shutting him down for next year. If he had his way, they'd tour 10 months out of the year.

Well to me the fact that a tribute band can be so easily mistaken for the real thing.....shows some problems from the get go

So Neal should be a little pissy.....

[Don]

None of these tribute bands have an Asian singer. Perry's Ghost up on a advertising banner is the thing that has Neal's panties in a bunch here.

[portland]

None of these tribute bands have an Asian singer. Perry's Ghost up on a advertising banner is the thing that has Neal's panties in a bunch here.

BINGO!!!!!!!

[Chubby321]

But at the end of the day, good or bad, Neal owns Journey; he can do whatever he wants to protect it.

[Don]

But at the end of the day, good or bad, Neal owns Journey; he can do whatever he wants to protect it.

True. We can still call him a little prick for TapeGate though. That was not protecting the name of Journey.

Those actions basically killed the band's already small chances of getting into the R&R HOF in the next few years.

I don't think any tribute band coud do more damage than that, even if they wanted to.

For those who say that tapegate doesn't matter because not many people knew about it, RollingStone heard about it and that's all that matters when it comes to the HOF.