Grand jury indicts Journey drummer Deen Castronovo on rape c

[scarab]

I think for the safety of all involved he is locked up until trial, preferably in a place he can get the treatment he needs.
This is so sad all around.

[SF-Dano]

Trial set for Journey drummer Deen Castronovo

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/n ... /29845503/

Alisha Roemeling Statesman Journal 7:13 p.m. PDT July 7, 2015



Court documents indicate Castronovo, who is facing a slew of charges, will appear before Marion County Circuit Judge Thomas Hart at 9 a.m. Oct. 22 for a two-day trial.

Just curious....How do they know it will only take two days? Can they put a time limit on a trial?

[JBlake]

Revelation was the last Journey album I purchased. I'd love to buy a new one if they would have a new album consisting of fresh new tracks.

Plenty of copies of Eclipse sitting at a WallyWorld near you! In all seriousness, Eclipse was much fresher and creative than Revelation.

WalMart near me? If so I don't know where it is. I may have taken a listen to Eclipse in the past, but unsure so I listened to all the tracks via youtube today. Actually I didn't hear anything that was "stand out" IMO. The two tracks that I sort of liked was Ritual and To Whom It May Concern. But still I doubt I'd go out and buy the album for those two songs. It may be just me but none of the songs on the album had a "click" for me to want to go out and buy it. I wouldn't even rent it from the library. Not saying the band isn't good or anything like that. I just didn't hear anything on the album that motivated me the way I like. Probably why, as you mentioned, there are copies still on the shelves at WalMart.

[Memorex]

Trial set for Journey drummer Deen Castronovo

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/n ... /29845503/

Alisha Roemeling Statesman Journal 7:13 p.m. PDT July 7, 2015



Court documents indicate Castronovo, who is facing a slew of charges, will appear before Marion County Circuit Judge Thomas Hart at 9 a.m. Oct. 22 for a two-day trial.

Just curious....How do they know it will only take two days? Can they put a time limit on a trial?

Experience in how these things go, number of witnesses, length to find a jury, etc. My guess is all sides know this will never go to a trial. He'll plea and that will be that.

[scarab]

You are probably right, if he gets a high priced lawyer there will be a plea, but if any of this is remotely true, and with the drugs and the defiance of judges orders he wont get away with anything less than a violence related felony charge - for which he should do time (once again preferably in a treatment or hospital facility)

[JourneyHard]

I do not understand all the Steve Perry comments. This has as much to do with Steve Perry as it does you and me.

I forgot that Steve Perry never "felt part of Journey." My bad.

[JourneyHard]

The two tracks that I sort of liked was Ritual and To Whom It May Concern.

That's funny. To Whom It May Concern and City Of Hope should have been left off Eclipse, and the rest of it would have made a tight solid album.

[Journey/Survivor]

To Whom It May Concern is one of my least favorite songs on Eclipse. But I love City Of Hope.

[SF-Dano]

The two tracks that I sort of liked was Ritual and To Whom It May Concern.

That's funny. To Whom It May Concern and City Of Hope should have been left off Eclipse, and the rest of it would have made a tight solid album.

Not my quote above. I actually like Eclipse quite a bit. A nice change of pace musically from the last few cds. I like the slightly harder edge and the nods to classic Journey that Eclipse provided.

[The_Noble_Cause]

WalMart near me? If so I don't know where it is. I may have taken a listen to Eclipse in the past, but unsure so I listened to all the tracks via youtube today. Actually I didn't hear anything that was "stand out" IMO. The two tracks that I sort of liked was Ritual and To Whom It May Concern. But still I doubt I'd go out and buy the album for those two songs. It may be just me but none of the songs on the album had a "click" for me to want to go out and buy it. I wouldn't even rent it from the library. Not saying the band isn't good or anything like that. I just didn't hear anything on the album that motivated me the way I like. Probably why, as you mentioned, there are copies still on the shelves at WalMart.

The track "Someone" is about as "clicky" (and by that, I'm assuming you mean having a BIG catchy hook) as anything Cain has ever written for the band. "Anything is Possible" is also 100% pure Journey. Why should Journey take a break from the road and spend money producing an album when fans like you are just going to listen to it for free on YouTube?

[Majestic]

WalMart near me? If so I don't know where it is. I may have taken a listen to Eclipse in the past, but unsure so I listened to all the tracks via youtube today. Actually I didn't hear anything that was "stand out" IMO. The two tracks that I sort of liked was Ritual and To Whom It May Concern. But still I doubt I'd go out and buy the album for those two songs. It may be just me but none of the songs on the album had a "click" for me to want to go out and buy it. I wouldn't even rent it from the library. Not saying the band isn't good or anything like that. I just didn't hear anything on the album that motivated me the way I like. Probably why, as you mentioned, there are copies still on the shelves at WalMart.

The track "Someone" is about as "clicky" (and by that, I'm assuming you mean having a BIG catchy hook) as anything Cain has ever written for the band. "Anything is Possible" is also 100% pure Journey. Why should Journey take a break from the road and spend money producing an album when fans like you are just going to listen to it for free on YouTube?

That's a good point, and I think that's exactly where Cain is at. I think buying an album just so they don't stop making them is a poor reason to purchase...but I think Eclipse is a very good album and definitely a unique and daring addition to the band's musical cannon.

[JBlake]

WalMart near me? If so I don't know where it is. I may have taken a listen to Eclipse in the past, but unsure so I listened to all the tracks via youtube today. Actually I didn't hear anything that was "stand out" IMO. The two tracks that I sort of liked was Ritual and To Whom It May Concern. But still I doubt I'd go out and buy the album for those two songs. It may be just me but none of the songs on the album had a "click" for me to want to go out and buy it. I wouldn't even rent it from the library. Not saying the band isn't good or anything like that. I just didn't hear anything on the album that motivated me the way I like. Probably why, as you mentioned, there are copies still on the shelves at WalMart.

The track "Someone" is about as "clicky" (and by that, I'm assuming you mean having a BIG catchy hook) as anything Cain has ever written for the band. "Anything is Possible" is also 100% pure Journey. Why should Journey take a break from the road and spend money producing an album when fans like you are just going to listen to it for free on YouTube?

I use Youtube as a "sample taste" type of deal. If I take a "sample taste" and like it, I'll then go out and buy it. Nothing more frustrating then going out and purchasing an album only to be deflated after listening to it for the first time and not really liking anything on it. I've done that a hand full of times back before we had the luxury of things like Youtube. The last time that happened to me was when I bought Motley Crue's Generation Swine album. It was at that point forward, I have to listen to the album some way or the other before going out and buying it.

Back in "the day" you'd wait to hear the music over the radio. But that didn't cost anything either. So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

[Archetype]

So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

Nothing. People also fail to consider how people used to record songs off the radio and make copies of cassette tapes. Free music is not a new thing. Lars Ulrich just brought it to the forefront if the industry's attention, and is often to the go-to excuse when albums tank. Listening to it once on youtube, not liking it, and not listening to it anymore is perfectly fine. Listening to it on youtube, liking it, and continuing to listen to it on youtube, is where it falls into the same realm as recording off the radio or making a copy of a casette tape (Or CD, for that matter).

[JourneyHard]

So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

The difference is the radio didn't play the whole album. Also, many times the radio played a "single cut" which was different from the album version. Rock bands and radio had a social contract. It was an unwritten agreement that allowed radio to play the songs to promote the bands. Bands have no such arraingement with Youtube.

[JBlake]

So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

Nothing. People also fail to consider how people used to record songs off the radio and make copies of cassette tapes. Free music is not a new thing. Lars Ulrich just brought it to the forefront if the industry's attention, and is often to the go-to excuse when albums tank. Listening to it once on youtube, not liking it, and not listening to it anymore is perfectly fine. Listening to it on youtube, liking it, and continuing to listen to it on youtube, is where it falls into the same realm as recording off the radio or making a copy of a casette tape (Or CD, for that matter).

Yeah, I've taped off radio back when I was a teen. The difference between the two (youtube & Radio) is if you wanted to hear a specific song, you could call in to the station and request them to play it. I never did that before though but would hear a dj occasionally mention a caller wanting to hear a specific song and so "here it is". I'd sit for hours listening to the radio waiting for a specific song to come on. If I liked the song, I'd go to the nearest record store and buy the album that the song was featured on. Youtube is more convenient because it cuts right to the chase without having to sit there for hours listening to the stupid radio personality talking and to eventually play it. The biggest advantages of youtube (IMO) is the speed of getting the information vs radio. The information is 1) hearing new music without waiting for it to eventually be played by the radio personality, and 2) the speed in which one can find out about a new album/song.

[JBlake]

So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

The difference is the radio didn't play the whole album. Also, many times the radio played a "single cut" which was different from the album version. Rock bands and radio had a social contract. It was an unwritten agreement that allowed radio to play the songs to promote the bands. Bands have no such arraingement with Youtube.

Well actually yes they would play the entire album, or at least a very large portion of it, over time of course. But you'd have to spend hours and hours and hours, days and days and days, weeks and weeks and weeks listening to the station to eventually hear all or at least most of the songs on the album.

[JBlake]

So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

Nothing. People also fail to consider how people used to record songs off the radio and make copies of cassette tapes. Free music is not a new thing. Lars Ulrich just brought it to the forefront if the industry's attention, and is often to the go-to excuse when albums tank. Listening to it once on youtube, not liking it, and not listening to it anymore is perfectly fine. Listening to it on youtube, liking it, and continuing to listen to it on youtube, is where it falls into the same realm as recording off the radio or making a copy of a casette tape (Or CD, for that matter).

I remember not having enough money for cd's, let alone cd players, cause when these first came out in the early to mid 80's, they were expensive. I didn't start buying cds until the mid 90s. So I was always buying albums on cassette. And standard operating procedures was to buy a new album on cassette and a blank cassette tape, first thing I'd do is make a copy of the cassette on my duel cassette tape player. I'd play the hell out of the copy and when it wore out, I'd take the "master" copy that I purchased and just record another copy. I did that throughout the entire last half of the 80's and first couple years of the 90's.

Now we can buy the cd off ebay, rip it to the computer and then just export it to the ipod or mp and then turn around and sell it back on ebay. And of course, sample taste it on youtube first to see if there is anything worth buying the album.

If Pelosi was a musician, she'd instructed consumers that it is mandatory that they buy the album first before finding out what's inside.

[brywool]

The track "Someone" is about as "clicky" (and by that, I'm assuming you mean having a BIG catchy hook) as anything Cain has ever written for the band. "Anything is Possible" is also 100% pure Journey. Why should Journey take a break from the road and spend money producing an album when fans like you are just going to listen to it for free on YouTube?

TOTALLY! Why wasn't "Someone" a single? Great song. Journey SHOULD take a break from the road and spend money producing a new album because I WANT THEM TO.

[tater1977]

The track "Someone" is about as "clicky" (and by that, I'm assuming you mean having a BIG catchy hook) as anything Cain has ever written for the band. "Anything is Possible" is also 100% pure Journey. Why should Journey take a break from the road and spend money producing an album when fans like you are just going to listen to it for free on YouTube?

TOTALLY! Why wasn't "Someone" a single? Great song. Journey SHOULD take a break from the road and spend money producing a new album because I WANT THEM TO.

If Journey or Neal don't want to spend money on a few new songs...do a IndieGoGo or Kick Starter project..
Would it pass or fail

[Eric]

If you're an active band you need to create new music. I don't care if the album sales are an ego blow or if the majority of people at a show don't care to hear it. Do EP's and release only via your website or iTunes. Do a song a year and release it on your site and play it every show. Create SOMETHING. You never know....

For me, tours like Arrival and Eclipse are what I crave. It's how it should be. You create a new album, you tour behind it and play the songs and even spruce up your old songs with the vibe of the new album. Old school.

[kmjrr]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Journey- ... 41011.html

“Loss of my job. Loss of my freedom. Probably the hardest thing that I’m dealing with now is the loss of a woman I felt I was going to spend the rest of my life wife,” he said.

It was also revealed that a private investigator planned to use a drone and surveillance cameras to follow the alleged victim, but the plan was thwarted by Castronovo’s attorney when he found out about it.

One of Castronovo's former wives, Julie Castronovo, pleaded with the judge on behalf of the couple's 10-year-old son.

"I would just much rather him visit - be able to visit - his dad in a rehab facility than to have to take him to jail to visit his dad," she said.

[steveo777]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Journey-drummer-Deen-Castronovo-ordered-into-drug-treatment-313441011.html

“Loss of my job. Loss of my freedom. Probably the hardest thing that I’m dealing with now is the loss of a woman I felt I was going to spend the rest of my life wife,” he said.

It was also revealed that a private investigator planned to use a drone and surveillance cameras to follow the alleged victim, but the plan was thwarted by Castronovo’s attorney when he found out about it.

One of Castronovo's former wives, Julie Castronovo, pleaded with the judge on behalf of the couple's 10-year-old son.

"I would just much rather him visit - be able to visit - his dad in a rehab facility than to have to take him to jail to visit his dad," she said.

And the other relevant parts of the article:
The judge set bail at $200,000. Castronovo’s attorney expects him to remain in treatment until his trial in October.

Castronovo won’t be released from jail for treatment until Monday or Tuesday.

So he is getting out and going to treatment. That's the best thing he can do right now, prior to the trial, when all the facts come out and we know all the details. He knows this has all come at a great cost, as he stated.

[Majestic]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Journey-drummer-Deen-Castronovo-ordered-into-drug-treatment-313441011.html

“Loss of my job. Loss of my freedom. Probably the hardest thing that I’m dealing with now is the loss of a woman I felt I was going to spend the rest of my life wife,” he said.

It was also revealed that a private investigator planned to use a drone and surveillance cameras to follow the alleged victim, but the plan was thwarted by Castronovo’s attorney when he found out about it.

One of Castronovo's former wives, Julie Castronovo, pleaded with the judge on behalf of the couple's 10-year-old son.

"I would just much rather him visit - be able to visit - his dad in a rehab facility than to have to take him to jail to visit his dad," she said.

Deen,

Don't stop believing that you can pull through and turn things around. Your family, friends, and fans stand by you and are hoping and praying for you, but you've got to do it yourself. We believe you can. With all these problems swirling around you, it may seem like there is no way out. People can be full of judgment and condemnation, but they can also be full of forgiveness and understanding when someone who has lost their way makes his amends, recovers, and transforms. Get yourself together, and then go get your job, build a better life for yourself, and share your beautiful talent with the world again. In words you have sung yourself: "There's a better life waiting out there somewhere."

[JourneyHard]

Well actually yes they would play the entire album, or at least a very large portion of it, over time of course. But you'd have to spend hours and hours and hours, days and days and days, weeks and weeks and weeks listening to the station to eventually hear all or at least most of the songs on the album.

If you are going to spend your whole life waiting for every song from the album to be played on the radio, wouldn't it be faster and easier to plop down a few bucks for the album? They have it all collected together for you in one place!

[JourneyHard]

If you're an active band you need to create new music. I don't care if the album sales are an ego blow or if the majority of people at a show don't care to hear it. Do EP's and release only via your website or iTunes. Do a song a year and release it on your site and play it every show. Create SOMETHING. You never know....

For me, tours like Arrival and Eclipse are what I crave. It's how it should be. You create a new album, you tour behind it and play the songs and even spruce up your old songs with the vibe of the new album. Old school.

They need to do a mixture of all-out rock which Neal loves and ballads that Jon likes. Throw everything they've got at the new album, and with a good mixture of songs there will be something for everybody.

[Jana]

Deen Castronovo, drummer for rock band Journey, denied bail in rape case
By The Associated Press

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-north ... um=twitter

updated July 01, 2015 at 2:26 PM

SALEM — An Oregon judge has denied bail for the drummer of rock band Journey, saying his repeated attempts to contact a woman he's accused of raping show that he poses a threat.

Marion County Circuit Judge Channing Bennett said Wednesday that Deen Castronovo violated a court order to stay away from the woman after his June 14 arrest on domestic violence. Prosecutors say he texted her 122 times and called 35 times.

Castronovo was indicted this week on charges including rape, assault and sexual abuse.

His attorney, Jeffrey Jones, says Castronovo was high on meth when he was arrested and would go to rehab if released.

Castronovo has been with Journey since 1998, when he replaced Steve Smith — the drummer on the group's best-known songs."

-- The Associated Press

Meth? I'm stunned. That destroys people. How was he still functioning in the band being a meth addict?

[JBlake]

Well actually yes they would play the entire album, or at least a very large portion of it, over time of course. But you'd have to spend hours and hours and hours, days and days and days, weeks and weeks and weeks listening to the station to eventually hear all or at least most of the songs on the album.

If you are going to spend your whole life waiting for every song from the album to be played on the radio, wouldn't it be faster and easier to plop down a few bucks for the album? They have it all collected together for you in one place!

True, but during this time I was a teenager without income. So I'd listen to the radio and take note as to what I liked so around birthday and Christmas time, I could then ask for the album as a gift. Now though, I have to at least listen to new music on youtube and once I find something I really like, I can then go out and buy the album. One way or the other, I need to hear it first before I actually go out and purchase it though. Too often I've bought albums which turned out to be real bombs. Must have been the Halo Effect, thinking that such as such did this last album so good, the next must also be kickass, which some times it really wasn't.

What's interesting is Revelation did way better than the following Eclipse album. What could be the reason for this? there were different factors involved such as the Revelation album had the classic hits cd plus a concert dvd. What did Eclipse consist of in regards to number of cd's and dvd? Also Revelation was the first album which featured the newest singer. All these could factor into it. But from what I've read, Eclipse was only a fraction of the success that Revelation was. I listened to both and IMO the tracks on Revelation are more in line with my personal preference & taste than Eclipse.

[JBlake]

Wow, just noticed how off-topic I was. Guess that's human nature. Anyways, any new information, developments and/or update on the situation with Deen?

[tater1977]

Wow, just noticed how off-topic I was. Guess that's human nature. Anyways, any new information, developments and/or update on the situation with Deen?

He was released from the county jail and sent to rehab, with a court ordered ankle monitor.

[slucero]

So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

The difference is the radio didn't play the whole album. Also, many times the radio played a "single cut" which was different from the album version. Rock bands and radio had a social contract. It was an unwritten agreement that allowed radio to play the songs to promote the bands. Bands have no such arraingement with Youtube.

"social contract"?

LMAO....

There's only one word to describe the reason we heard what we heard when terrestrial radio was the standard... and that word is "payola"... because that was how hits were "made"...


Do yourself a favor and pick up the book "Hitmen" by Frederic Dannen.

http://www.amazon.com/Hit-Men-Brokers-I ... rds=hitmen

You'll never view AM and FM radio hits of the 70's and 80's the same way again..