The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answers...

[squirt1]

GEEZ- Same old agenda.Same broken record. Steve Smith said he had it done. It was even described how they had to ice down the swelling at times during WYLAW. Is SS he a liar? As far as hip surgery. It is MAJOR. Ask my daughter and she faces it again in a few yrs. She still has to use a cane at times and that surgery was 8 yrs ago. He probably was told to try therapy,but the pain won out. Same old tired Perry bashers trying to sound enlightened and credible just babbling along.

[Calbear94]

It's quite obvious about two points now:

First, Journey's grueling tour schedules year after year will wear out a seasoned singing voice in 7-8 years.

Second, after the first hiatus the powers that be in the band have decided not wait for anyone. Even Perry with all of his clout could not stop the band from going on. And to think, some like to blame Augeri for performing to taped vocals...total imbalance of power there. If the law says that there is no consent when one party has all of the power, and the other party has no real power to refuse, then doing so was the only way of prolonging his tenure in the band and seeing if he would recover.

[r@y]

GEEZ- Same old agenda.Same broken record. Steve Smith said he had it done. It was even described how they had to ice down the swelling at times during WYLAW. Is SS he a liar? As far as hip surgery. It is MAJOR. Ask my daughter and she faces it again in a few yrs. She still has to use a cane at times and that surgery was 8 yrs ago. He probably was told to try therapy,but the pain won out. Same old tired Perry bashers trying to sound enlightened and credible just babbling along.

When did SS say this..? Do you have a link..?

Dude, not trying to imply anything, just thought it would be interesting to hear what SS had to say about this in an interview...never read an SS interview before...hell, I didnt know if he was ever interviewed at all..!

Cheers

Ray

[The_Noble_Cause]

Steve Smith said he had it done.

And Herbie, Neal, and Ross said he didn't.
That's three against two.
Now suck on it.

[Chakra]

GEEZ- Same old agenda.Same broken record. Steve Smith said he had it done. It was even described how they had to ice down the swelling at times during WYLAW. Is SS he a liar? As far as hip surgery. It is MAJOR. Ask my daughter and she faces it again in a few yrs. She still has to use a cane at times and that surgery was 8 yrs ago. He probably was told to try therapy,but the pain won out. Same old tired Perry bashers trying to sound enlightened and credible just babbling along.

Oh, these fools would never go the extra mile to emphathize with someone like SP. He's an easy target. They pound their keyboards with vicious rumors and innuendos about someone they don't even know. It releases the frustration of their own unfulfilled dreams and ambitions.

They can't step off their high horse for a minute to say, damn this guy was great. How the hell did he sing to perfection night after night, back to back, year after year for two hours straight? He didn't have a drummer kicking in a few songs here and there, he was IT. He was extremely active and agile on stage. He enchanted the crowd. With all the fame, comes the hangers on, the stalkers, the industry slimebags, everyone wants a piece of you. The bigger you get the more people want to take you down. All these factors are NOT glamorous. The lack of a grounded personal life and stability. He may have needed to stop and rest, get off the merry go round for awhile.
Could these flame throwers take the time out to research vocal nodes ( check out pictures of them, not attractive) and what causes them. Public speakers can get them, so it likely that Perry did have vocal issues ( perhaps not nodes) after all the strenuous vocal acrobatics he performed during the marathon touring. ( I have a feeling ( not fact) Augeri may have them). Could be SP's hip degeneration was a result of his vigorous movements on stage during the same time?

The other band members didn't face those same physical challenges.

The Bad News Bears dwell on heresay that Perry can't sing anymore, Perry didn't have hip surgery, Perry was a control freak, Perry walked out on the band.

All this stems from shear envy towards a man of legendary stature, who worked hard, invested well and lives life on his own terms.

Right on

[A Fire Inside]

And Herbie, Neal, and Ross said he didn't.
That's three against two.
Now suck on it.

Where did Neal and Ross deny it? Quotes please, I have never heard about this.

Ray, IIRC, Smith mentioned it in a circa-WOF interview.

[Chakra]

And Herbie, Neal, and Ross said he didn't.
That's three against two.
Now suck on it.

Where did Neal and Ross deny it? Quotes please, I have never heard about this.

Ray, IIRC, Smith mentioned it in a circa-WOF interview.

Herbie said it in his pathetic bitter interviews. He trashed all the players with the exception of Rollie and himself, of course!
So, where are the quotes from Neal and Ross? Facts please, not heresay. God knows we have enought of that on this board! Even if they said it, they had no proof! I doubt they were privy to SP's medical history! Just a way to justify their lousy business acumen.

[fred_journeyman]

The Bad News Bears dwell on heresay that Perry can't sing anymore, Perry didn't have hip surgery, Perry was a control freak, Perry walked out on the band.

It's not heresay, but it is old news.

All this stems from shear envy towards a man of legendary stature, who worked hard, invested well and lives life on his own terms.

That doesn't even make sense. Why any fan would be jealous of Perry is ridiculous. Your venom is routinely spouted on this forum toward the band members (most notably Neal) whom YOU do not like, and that's fine. Yet, when someone says that Perry was a control freak, or lost his high end, or possibly didn't have hip surgery, that's BASHING the man? What if he IS a control freak? Then it's a fact. What if he did NOT have hip surgery? Then it's a fact. What if he can NOT sing the high notes like he used to when he was younger? Then it's a fact.

To you and others of your ilk, ANY word, phrase or sentence that calls into question Steve's motives, Steve's ability, Steve's health, or whatever is BASHING. If the tables are turned (and they have been on many occasions) and things are said against NEAL or any of the other band members, then it is simply the TRUTH.

I don't dwell on what Perry might not have had done or what he might not be able to do today. I simply discuss it, the same way I discuss the FACT that I'm tired of hearing the same worn-out tunes in played in concert year after year, by a group who seems to have settled for less than they could achieve. Had I said that last statement about Perry, I would be accused by you and others of BASHING. Since I said it about Journey, it's perfectly acceptable. Bottom line for me? Makes no difference. I'll continue to discuss the faults and foibles (as well as the praises) of BOTH sides...unlike you and others like you who simply prefer to continually point out the faults of certain band members, while continuing to exhonerate Perry from ANY and ALL fault at ANYTHING. Wonderful...continue to live in your dream world, because that's all you have.

[PROPERRY]

This is rediculous, for one this thread was made 2 years ago. Perry's medical problems ( hip problem) have nothing to do with anyone here! Perry had the surgery, he recovered from it, and hopefully he is feeling good, and doing very well NOW! That is what matters!

It seems this thread was brought back here just to "stir the pot" because Fred got bored, apparently the newer threads were not exciting enough for him, so he went back & dug up this thread.

Lori

[fred_journeyman]

And Herbie, Neal, and Ross said he didn't.
That's three against two.
Now suck on it.

Where did Neal and Ross deny it? Quotes please, I have never heard about this.

Ray, IIRC, Smith mentioned it in a circa-WOF interview.

Another person has said it to me directly via e-mail. A person who was/is very close to the band. But that's all you'll get from me. It wouldn't matter if I quoted the person(s) and/or provided the name. It would not matter.

In fact, for some if every doctor in the known universe came forward and stated that Steve Perry shows no evidence of having had hip surgery, they would all be panned by true Perry Believers everywhere. When it looks even remotely possibly that Perry might have done something "wrong," it is quickly either swept under the rug, or rationalized away by those of the Perry Worshippers. Some of those gals need to spend more time with their own hubbies and families as opposed to believing some ridiculous idea that they are "called" to protect Steve, his name and his supposed integrity at all costs, and taking on numerous nics and spending time on other "secret" forums in order to create ways to cause problems for those who don't worship Perry the way they do.

[r@y]

This is rediculous, for one this thread was made 2 years ago. Perry's medical problems ( hip problem) have nothing to do with anyone here! Perry had the surgery, he recovered from it, and hopefully he is feeling good, and doing very well NOW! That is what matters!

It seems this thread was brought back here just to "stir the pot" because Fred got bored, apparently the newer threads were not exciting enough for him, so he went back & dug up this thread.

Lori

Fred..???

He didnt bring this thread 'back to life', as far as I can tell....


Ray

[Voyager]

In the BTM he mentioned that he never really felt like part of the band...
I attribute that to him joining the band that had already established a click or sorts so he was like an outsider...C'mon now you all can relate to that..Remember having to move in the middle of the school year and find yourselves in a new school far from the one you knew before..You're placed into a place where there are already established clicks, some of which have been together for years..You're the outsider and somehow have to find a way to fit in but sometimes no matter what, you will not ever fit in...This could be the same reasoning in that Perry never really felt like he was a part of it...No matter what he did, he didn't click fully...JMO, but Neal's ego could have had something to do with that...

In closing though, this whole issue of why who did what should be laid to rest...

Very eloquently said.

[fred_journeyman]

This is rediculous, for one this thread was made 2 years ago. Perry's medical problems ( hip problem) have nothing to do with anyone here! Perry had the surgery, he recovered from it, and hopefully he is feeling good, and doing very well NOW! That is what matters!

It seems this thread was brought back here just to "stir the pot" because Fred got bored, apparently the newer threads were not exciting enough for him, so he went back & dug up this thread.

Lori

Oh Lori, put your eyes back in your head. Yeah you're right, the BOOZE thread was so much more interesting. But just think, everytime one of you Perry Rim Jobbers post in this thread, it sends it to the top again. Duh, GEE Tennessee...! Don't you have a voodoo doll with my face on it that you can go stick pins into, or maybe you can slide your lard to one side and masterbate to Perry's poster and pretend his nose is hitting you in just the right spot? Apparently, you have nothing better to do than hang your ugly head on this thread. Dumbass...

Apparently, the only thing some people understand on this forum is total vulgarity. Maybe I'm just warming up...

[fred_journeyman]

JMO, but Neal's ego could have had something to do with that...

Of course it was...and if I or someone else had said that Steve Perry had an ego, well then either the excrement would have hit the fan OR there would have been shouts of "Of course he had an ego as in PRIDE in what he was doing!!!" blah, blah, blah

In closing though, this whole issue of why who did what should be laid to rest...

Sure it should and so should a number of other things on this board, but they're still here. Gee, I wonder why? Wait! I know!! It's because there is NO proof on EITHER side for many of the issues that have so deeply affected our inner lives!!! My GOD, if ONLY the answers were forthcoming, so that we could once again turn our attention to the real necessities of life...like channeling STEVE PERRY and wishing that NEAL was dead; you know, things that truly make a difference, especially if you're one of the 171 who just lost their life in a plane crash headed for Russia.

I think I'm ready for some ROCK CRUSHING THROW DOWNS! Let's GOOOOOOOO!

[fred_journeyman]

He didnt bring this thread 'back to life', as far as I can tell....

Ray

No, I didn't and I haven't even commented in it that often, but what are you going to do? When a Perry ONLY says something, it's GOSPEL.

[McNeil]

""ahh........yeh, I CAN! It has been lackluster and unremarkable. At times even embarrassing"

what a load of absolute bollox!!

the only embarrasing thing about the period(apart from tapegate) is that the insipid tastes of the American -Journey-following public, only ever wanna hear the same old tracks trotted out again and again and again, giving the band no real possibilities of ever playing much new material

For christs sake, all my Jrny bootlegs are composed of the same tracks, over n over again

They should have ditched the US years ago, based themselves in Europe and the UK,where the rock audiences appreciate something a little harder n heavier..right up Schons alleyway, I would think. Instead they ignored these shores for 26 yrs... arriving on a wave of triumph, but too bloody late!!

[TRAGChick]

Steve Smith said he had it done.

Yup...and Mark met Steve Smith at a "Modern Drummer" convention. Steve told him it was true.

[Chakra]

Fred's delusions of "insider information" about any of the Journey saga are just that "delusional. He has NO relevent information. He is feeding his wannabe fantasy. Anyone who has ties to Perry or the current members of Journey aren't going to use this venue to spill their guts.

[fred_journeyman]

Fred's delusions of "insider information" about any of the Journey saga are just that "delusional. He has NO relevent information. He is feeding his wannabe fantasy. Anyone who has ties to Perry or the current members of Journey aren't going to use this venue to spill their guts.

I have e-mails, dipshit and the e-mails did not come from this venue. But, like I said, if I were to post them AND the names of those who sent them, it still wouldn't matter and I don't care. Believe what you want to believe. It makes no difference to me and obviously, you're the one who is perterbed by my presence. Deal with it...dumbass.

[fred_journeyman]

Yup...and Mark met Steve Smith at a "Modern Drummer" convention. Steve told him it was true.

I see. And who told Smith?

[Deb]

Steve Smith said he had it done.

Yup...and Mark met Steve Smith at a "Modern Drummer" convention. Steve told him it was true.

David Pack and Joe Benson have also mentioned he had it.

[Deb]

This is rediculous, for one this thread was made 2 years ago. Perry's medical problems ( hip problem) have nothing to do with anyone here! Perry had the surgery, he recovered from it, and hopefully he is feeling good, and doing very well NOW! That is what matters!

It seems this thread was brought back here just to "stir the pot" because Fred got bored, apparently the newer threads were not exciting enough for him, so he went back & dug up this thread.

Lori

Oh Lori, put your eyes back in your head. Yeah you're right, the BOOZE thread was so much more interesting. But just think, everytime one of you Perry Rim Jobbers post in this thread, it sends it to the top again. Duh, GEE Tennessee...! Don't you have a voodoo doll with my face on it that you can go stick pins into, or maybe you can slide your lard to one side and masterbate to Perry's poster and pretend his nose is hitting you in just the right spot? Apparently, you have nothing better to do than hang your ugly head on this thread. Dumbass...

Apparently, the only thing some people understand on this forum is total vulgarity. Maybe I'm just warming up...

Holy shit, what a fuckin loser thing to say. Maybe you should take your own advise on your quote here
"Some of those gals need to spend more time with their own hubbies and families as opposed to believing some ridiculous idea that they are "called" to protect Steve, his name and his supposed integrity at all costs."
Maybe you should spend more time with your wife and family instead of getting off on bashing Perry's supposed integrity at all costs...............oh wait, are you even married?

[fred_journeyman]

Maybe you should spend more time with your wife and family instead of getting off on bashing Perry's supposed integrity at all costs...............oh wait, are you even married?

Hey Strung,

The REASON I said what I said is that it SEEMS on this forum, anything goes. I e-mailed Andrew to wonder why he had allowed his forum to sink to that level. No response. It seems that vulgarity is the main source of communication on this forum, so I sunk to that level. I am SO bad...

The reality for me is this...Lori and a few others crawl out from under their rock make these repetitive statements that say nothing about what I've posted, but simply serve to try to knock my post in general. Lori had nothing to say and she accused me of bringing this thread back from the dead, which I didn't do. She does this every once in a while when she feels as though she needs to rise to Perry's defense. I was not only talking to her, but to her cronies who spend 24/7 on the computer looking for people who deign to trashmouth Perry. Their mission? To search and destroy. It's not only perfectly okay for anyone to SLAM Journey, it is the desired wish of these ladies to bury Journey and all who enjoy them. They're assholes of the highest level! (I mean that as a compliment.)

As for being married, yep happily for over 20 years to the best looking and most valuable woman alive. Two beatiful kids, one who is entering the UC sytem this fall and another who is in 10th grade. Just got back from a week in the Mexican Riviera (all of us) and had the best time of our lives. Try it. Get away from the keyboard for a bit and venture out into the world. Perry does.

The reason it may seem to you and a few others that I post a lot (which I don't compared to others) is that I work from my home in my office...on my computer. That's the bulk of my work. I'm here. I check for stupidity, I type fast, I post and I leave for a while. No big deal about that.

In closing I'd like to say...shove it up your ass-stronaut and if you want to take me on, fine. Just be ready because if you want to place yourself on the opposite side of the fence as me, then it's "no holds barred." I mean, heck, it's good enough for some on this forum, therefore it must be good enough for all, eh?

[fred_journeyman]

David Pack and Joe Benson have also mentioned he had it.

Well, that cinches it, then

Can we try NOT to lose sight of something here? I don't CARE if Perry had hip surgery or NOT! I do NOT care. Whatever happened, happened because Perry did not want to tour after releasing TBF. That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

As far as all these people who "know" that Perry had hip surgery, um...what did he drop his pants and show Smith, Pack and Benson the scars? I doubt it. He probably SAID he had it done. If he DID have it done, great, I'm glad - according to him - he's all better. If he did NOT have it done, great, I'm glad that he found a way out of touring without getting himself in trouble. It's really simple. I'm not bashing Perry. Either way you look at it, it's GENIUS! Where's the bash in that?! Answer: there is none. NEXT!

[squirt1]

Italia 1986- The only thing missing from your post is you should have started it Dear Fred & Monker. Congratulations on your correct diaganosis of those two. They have a lot to do with global warming.They have been at their game for years now. And ,thanks to the others that stated they know of the Steve Smith comments regarding the veracity of Steve Perry's surgery.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Where did Neal and Ross deny it? Quotes please.

Ross implied it during some web interview.
Neal has said it in MULTIPLE interviews.
One with Jeb from classicrockrevisted.com which was years ago, and another was during last years SF Weekly issue that coincided with the HWOF.

I'd normally look these links up, but you're a prick, so go fuck yourself.

[fred_journeyman]

Italia 1986- The only thing missing from your post is you should have started it Dear Fred & Monker. Congratulations on your correct diaganosis of those two. They have a lot to do with global warming.They have been at their game for years now. And ,thanks to the others that stated they know of the Steve Smith comments regarding the veracity of Steve Perry's surgery.

Hee hee...you are giving yourself away, you little squirt! I LOVE that!

There is NO proof that Perry had surgery or did NOT have surgery! Your "hearsay" is inadmissible as evidence. NEXT! (Oh, and by the way, I don't care if Perry HAD it or didn't HAVE it. Makes no difference to me, but I LOVE how it broils your cocyx when someone comes out and says something that to you, even SMACKS of perjuring Steve Perry.

Veracity? Does ANYONE in the music industry have ANY veracity? Hard to come by. That's like asking why politicians kiss babies...dumbass.

You know, you'd look really good with my foot up your ass as opposed to your foot in your mouth, I mean. But then, let's leave it where it is. Maybe it'll shut you up for a while. I'm for that...until and unless you have something really appropriate AND intelligent to say. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath and I'm sure New Orleans will be rebuilt before that happens. Keep babbling though...it's fun to watch.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Italia 1986- The only thing missing from your post is you should have started it Dear Fred & Monker. Congratulations on your correct diaganosis of those two. They have a lot to do with global warming.They have been at their game for years now. And ,thanks to the others that stated they know of the Steve Smith comments regarding the veracity of Steve Perry's surgery.

Hee hee...you are giving yourself away, you little squirt! I LOVE that!

There is NO proof that Perry had surgery or did NOT have surgery! Your "hearsay" is inadmissible as evidence. NEXT! (Oh, and by the way, I don't care if Perry HAD it or didn't HAVE it. Makes no difference to me, but I LOVE how it broils your cocyx when someone comes out and says something that to you, even SMACKS of perjuring Steve Perry.

Veracity? Does ANYONE in the music industry have ANY veracity? Hard to come by. That's like asking why politicians kiss babies...dumbass.

You know, you'd look really good with my foot up your ass as opposed to your foot in your mouth, I mean. But then, let's leave it where it is. Maybe it'll shut you up for a while. I'm for that...until and unless you have something really appropriate AND intelligent to say. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath and I'm sure New Orleans will be rebuilt before that happens. Keep babbling though...it's fun to watch.

LOL. That's some funny shit right there.

[The Ghost Rider]

Neal has said it in MULTIPLE interviews.
One with Jeb from classicrockrevisted.com which was years ago,

From CRR:

Jeb: Which album was more exciting for you to make: Trial By Fire or Arrival?

Neal: Trial By Fire was an exciting record to make because we had not been together for over ten years. It was great to have the old band in the studio actually playing, writing and working together. It was a pretty fun record to make but all of a sudden we had the brakes put on because Steve had a health condition. We couldn’t do anything, which was super frustrating to all of us, not just me but for everybody. The record came out and we were met with a lot of over the top success that none of us were really expecting. We had an #1 single with “When You Love A Woman” and our record entered at #3 on the Billboard Charts. A lot of green was on the table being offered to us to do 25 shows. Steve just said, “I can’t do it” and that was pretty much it; we were kaput. We had all this momentum going for us and after ten years being embraced that way by our audience and not being able to do anything with it…. Fuck, I wanted to kill someone!

Jeb: I had actually written here on my notes to ask you, “How angry were you when Steve Perry backed out of the tour” and I think you just told me.

Neal: I was angry but I was more frustrated. I was more frustrated because there was nothing that I could do. There was nothing that any of us could do. I think out of frustration and having just rekindled the band, I was not able to let it go -- even if Steve Perry was not going to be involved. At that point I went up to Jonathan and said, “Let’s just move on. We have nothing to lose is the way I am looking at it. Right now, we don’t have anything.”

Jeb: Was there any reluctance?

Neal: Steve, as you can see on Behind The Music, was very much saying, “Don’t fracture the name Journey.” I am like, “Fracture what? There is nothing there anymore. What are you talking about?” It was like we had nothing. We had something but it was like a big tease. We got together, it was a big tease and now it is gone already. Screw it man. I was getting ready to do my own band when Steve Perry got together with Jonathan Cain and talked to him about doing a record. I think there was clearly other motives at the time he called Jon to do the record. I know that Steve was not happy being on Sony at the time and I think they may have made him an ultimatum. This is my own take on it and I don’t know if there is any truth or validity to it but after thinking about it and seeing what actually came down, I’m entitled to that. This is America! I think that they might have made a proposition to where if he did another record with Journey that they would release him solo wise and from Journey so he could go elsewhere and do wherever he wanted to do. That is exactly what happened. We handed in the record and he was like, “No, I’m not touring. I’m out of here.” I am sure that he had some health issues like we all do. When you get older you have health issues. I think there is a lot of cover up there.

[PROPERRY]

Why the hell was this topic brought back from the "dead"??????

That was me. I was viewing some of the threads that had been posted a while ago, and wanted to comment on some of the posts. Taking the time to involve myself in this thread was certainly more interesting than some of the other threads that were at the top of the first page. No one is forcing anyone to come in here and post.

Fred is so busy obcessing over Perry's personal life that he can't even remember what HE himself said above here.

Lori