Finale

[AR]

You'd think Augeri could say no (?)

No he couldn't. Not if he wants to keep his gig.

[Free]

They'd insist on him performing in that kind of shape? Seems like reason would say it would do more damage than good for the rest of the week, or maybe the rest of the tour. I don't get that line of thinking, but I'm not in charge of Journey, either. You'd think Augeri could say no (?)

I have no knowledge about this but I don't think he's financially well off enough for them to let him go.

I think if they cut him loose, he'd have to find a normal job. I hope I'm wrong I really do.

Now Monker, if you are reading this the emphasis is on "I have no knowledge about this." I know you would be tempted to say that I was stating this as fact. I"m not.

[Rockindeano]

I think if they cut him loose, he'd have to find a normal job. I hope I'm wrong I really do.

He is fine financially.


Dude they grossed over 20 mil a year easy touring. No matter if you slice it up 10% Deen, 10% SA, 20% RV, 20% Friga, and 40% Neal, that still is bank.

I was joking on the pie chart folks, relax.

I bet SA has over 7 mill in the bank.

[Free]

I think if they cut him loose, he'd have to find a normal job. I hope I'm wrong I really do.

He is fine financially.


Dude they grossed over 20 mil a year easy touring. No matter if you slice it up 10% Deen, 10% SA, 20% RV, 20% Friga, and 40% Neal, that still is bank.

I was joking on the pie chart folks, relax.

I bet SA has over 7 mill in the bank.

Good. I am happy he has that much money. Now I don't have to feel sorry for him if they get rid of him.

[Rockindeano]

Just a guess dude. I really have no idea of what they make and it's non of my business, but i'm guessing Steve won't be driving a forklift for Lowe's anytime soon.

Hey Augeri! Get your ass over and stock this lumber you lazy ass! Feel free to hum a tune while you work if you can!!

[Abitaman]

Here is a PERFECT case of taping.

Now this is from Casino Rama, Toronto, ONT.

Higher Place. He sounds awful for the first 2:53. Then you can hear the double hiccup, and voila! perfecto! They turn him back on at 5:01. Embarrassing.

All Augeris' choruses are lipped but Deen is live. At one point Deen is singing a duet with a tape machine. Classic.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... AD6914BF08

Ok,I lied.I have to make on more comment because this is absolutely... Seriously,one must be deaf not to hear this!
True,until 2:53 he is live and a little out of pitch towards the end.Then I hear the switch.It almost like I "felt" a fresh soundwave going through my ears.Major change,anyway.
I can see why they used this trick...SA was getting vocally tired and that is the most demanding part of the song.
I couldn't help noticing that Deen was killing himself in the background...for real.

And why were they doing this? To blind the fans becasue they thing they are stupid? No, trying to put on a good show? How long were the shows last year? I can overlook it.-ERIC

I don't mean this in a bad way but you are missing the point I think. You said that you can overlook it. Ok fine.

The point is that they are doing this a lot. If they want to do taped background vocals i think that is generally accepted even though it still shouldn't pass as a live show if they are gonna do it. Back to the point: THEY ARE PLAYING THE LEAD VOCAL!!

Who cares if the play the tape lead vocals 10 seconds or the whole song? It's still the same principle.

I think it what I getting at that your missing. I understand the point your making. What I am getting at, is I understand the reason behind it. I do not like that they did it, but it was done. When I see them in July, I hope Augeri is well, if not, I hope the "magic up" his vocals. Like I said earlier, it is all in how you looj at it. Could Perry do it now-No., he couldn't do it last solo tour. But he was smart, he lowered the keys. Why Neal and Cain don't do that for Augeri? But Perry was the best, and you got someone who has to match that, and in perfect health is near impossible. Perry couln't keep it up for all thoses years, and Augeri who is suffering has to try. So thay are helping. But not the whole show or close to it.-ERIC

[Free]

Here is a PERFECT case of taping.

Now this is from Casino Rama, Toronto, ONT.

Higher Place. He sounds awful for the first 2:53. Then you can hear the double hiccup, and voila! perfecto! They turn him back on at 5:01. Embarrassing.

All Augeris' choruses are lipped but Deen is live. At one point Deen is singing a duet with a tape machine. Classic.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... AD6914BF08

Ok,I lied.I have to make on more comment because this is absolutely... Seriously,one must be deaf not to hear this!
True,until 2:53 he is live and a little out of pitch towards the end.Then I hear the switch.It almost like I "felt" a fresh soundwave going through my ears.Major change,anyway.
I can see why they used this trick...SA was getting vocally tired and that is the most demanding part of the song.
I couldn't help noticing that Deen was killing himself in the background...for real.

And why were they doing this? To blind the fans becasue they thing they are stupid? No, trying to put on a good show? How long were the shows last year? I can overlook it.-ERIC

I don't mean this in a bad way but you are missing the point I think. You said that you can overlook it. Ok fine.

The point is that they are doing this a lot. If they want to do taped background vocals i think that is generally accepted even though it still shouldn't pass as a live show if they are gonna do it. Back to the point: THEY ARE PLAYING THE LEAD VOCAL!!

Who cares if the play the tape lead vocals 10 seconds or the whole song? It's still the same principle.

I think it what I getting at that your missing. I understand the point your making. What I am getting at, is I understand the reason behind it. I do not like that they did it, but it was done. When I see them in July, I hope Augeri is well, if not, I hope the "magic up" his vocals. Like I said earlier, it is all in how you looj at it. Could Perry do it now-No., he couldn't do it last solo tour. But he was smart, he lowered the keys. Why Neal and Cain don't do that for Augeri? But Perry was the best, and you got someone who has to match that, and in perfect health is near impossible. Perry couln't keep it up for all thoses years, and Augeri who is suffering has to try. So thay are helping. But not the whole show or close to it.-ERIC

OK. If you don't want to get upset about it. I'm certainly not trying to get you upset if you don't want to be.

This is fraud. People are paying for something and getting something else. When I bought tickets for their concerts I bought them on the precondition that it would be a live show. Not a part live show and part taped show.

If I knew it was gonna be at least part tape lead vocal I would not have bought the tickets.

[Abitaman]

Here is a PERFECT case of taping.

Now this is from Casino Rama, Toronto, ONT.

Higher Place. He sounds awful for the first 2:53. Then you can hear the double hiccup, and voila! perfecto! They turn him back on at 5:01. Embarrassing.

All Augeris' choruses are lipped but Deen is live. At one point Deen is singing a duet with a tape machine. Classic.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... AD6914BF08

Ok,I lied.I have to make on more comment because this is absolutely... Seriously,one must be deaf not to hear this!
True,until 2:53 he is live and a little out of pitch towards the end.Then I hear the switch.It almost like I "felt" a fresh soundwave going through my ears.Major change,anyway.
I can see why they used this trick...SA was getting vocally tired and that is the most demanding part of the song.
I couldn't help noticing that Deen was killing himself in the background...for real.

And why were they doing this? To blind the fans becasue they thing they are stupid? No, trying to put on a good show? How long were the shows last year? I can overlook it.-ERIC

I don't mean this in a bad way but you are missing the point I think. You said that you can overlook it. Ok fine.

The point is that they are doing this a lot. If they want to do taped background vocals i think that is generally accepted even though it still shouldn't pass as a live show if they are gonna do it. Back to the point: THEY ARE PLAYING THE LEAD VOCAL!!

Who cares if the play the tape lead vocals 10 seconds or the whole song? It's still the same principle.

I think it what I getting at that your missing. I understand the point your making. What I am getting at, is I understand the reason behind it. I do not like that they did it, but it was done. When I see them in July, I hope Augeri is well, if not, I hope the "magic up" his vocals. Like I said earlier, it is all in how you looj at it. Could Perry do it now-No., he couldn't do it last solo tour. But he was smart, he lowered the keys. Why Neal and Cain don't do that for Augeri? But Perry was the best, and you got someone who has to match that, and in perfect health is near impossible. Perry couln't keep it up for all thoses years, and Augeri who is suffering has to try. So thay are helping. But not the whole show or close to it.-ERIC

OK. If you don't want to get upset about it. I'm certainly not trying to get you upset if you don't want to be.

This is fraud. People are paying for something and getting something else. When I bought tickets for their concerts I bought them on the precondition that it would be a live show. Not a part live show and part taped show.

If I knew it was gonna be at least part tape lead vocal I would not have bought the tickets.

I would advise yu never to see Aerosmith in concert then.......talk about obivous.
No I'm not upset, disappointed a little (very little). Look forward to seing them in July in Nashville-ERIC

[AR]

I would advise yu never to see Aerosmith in concert then.......talk about obivous.

I've heard that as well.

[jrnyman28]

Maybe it is time for us all to say: let's wait and see this year...

[AR]

Maybe it is time for us all to say: let's wait and see this year...

We'll know soon enough. Looking forward to it.

[TRAGChick]

Let's go with some of this. For a minute suppose, that there were 2 or 3 shows in the middle of the tour where Augeri was sick or something and they couldn't do Open Arms.

What would be worse? A little help with a song everyone wants to here, or people leaving bithcing that they didn't play it? Or canceling a show all together.

As a lead singer, here's my take:

Shut down completely, heal myself, and then be able to give audiences 1000% AUTHENTICITY.

Then, go back and re-schedule the dates that had to be canceled.

[Rockindeano]

I would like to think they would go live this year. if they do, maybe it will be because of this Board.??

[AR]

I would like to think they would go live this year. if they do, maybe it will be because of this Board.??

Think any of them or management read here?

[Rockindeano]

I would like to think they would go live this year. if they do, maybe it will be because of this Board.??

Think any of them or management read here?

I talked to a band member who said yes, they do.

[jrnyman28]

I would like to think they would go live this year. if they do, maybe it will be because of this Board.??

We will never know....

[anonymousse]

I think everyone already knows.

[Shadowman]

Before I begin, I have to say that the image Deano conjured up with Augieri operating the fork lift is really, really funny. I picture Steven Pearcy as the shift manager....and in my ultimate fantasy, Beddie Wetter of Toe Jam (sorry, Pearl Jam) is the third-shift lavoratory cleaner. Thanks for ruining music for a decade, by the way, Vedder, you talentless hack. You and your equally sub-mediocre parter in crime Curtie Cobain.

For some reason, I got kicked off the board under my old moniker (Seven Wishes), despite the fact that all I did was humbly throw my two cents in as a professional musician...kind of disappointing after years of faithful MR-X membership, and given that I've purchased over 100 albums from melodicrock sponsors in the past 5 years.

This is truly a sad day for melodic rock fans and especially fans of 80's rock bands. First of all, if these Augieri allegations are true, this is likely the end for Journey...a monumental shame considering Neal is without a doubt one of the 10 most talented musicians of the second half of the 20th century.

Secondly, it is probable that we have seen the last of Night Ranger. I believe their 2006 "hiatus" is actually a breakup- and don't forget, they never "officially" broke up in 1989. I've been losing sleep about that for days.

Finally, and most sadly, the word is not good on John Spinks, creative force and guitarist for the Outfield (in my estimation one of the most underrated bands ever). I have a source very close to the band who has confided to me that John is indeed in very poor health...

[Angiekay]

I'd also like to hear Any You Want It, which Augeri didn't sound great on at Saratoga last year...

Must have been a bad tape.

That tape must have broke in SF, we didn't even hear it.

[Rockindeano]

I'd also like to hear Any You Want It, which Augeri didn't sound great on at Saratoga last year...

Must have been a bad tape.

That tape must have broke in SF, we didn't even hear it.

Maybe you folks in Sioux Falls don't have electricity?

By the way, congrats. A new poll shows SF as the friendliest drivers. WOOHOO!

[Angiekay]

By the way, congrats. A new poll shows SF as the friendliest drivers. WOOHOO!

No, we have the SAFEST drivers.

[Rockindeano]

By the way, congrats. A new poll shows SF as the friendliest drivers. WOOHOO!

No, we have the SAFEST drivers.

Not that hard considering all you need to do is avoid a car or maybe two every hour and the occasional deer.

Congrats anyways.

[Moon Beam]

All I have to say after 7 pages of this is.......
If your gonna give me half a show I want half the ticket price.

[Jeremey]

... the word is not good on John Spinks, creative force and guitarist for the Outfield (in my estimation one of the most underrated bands ever). I have a source very close to the band who has confided to me that John is indeed in very poor health...

???

Hope this isn't true!! We had talked with their management last year about opening a few shows for them this year, but the tour never materialized. Hope John gets well soon.

[Liz22562]

With a handful of posters and a few hundred viewers on this topic and whether a band member of Journey reads this or not, I doubt it will affect them enough to change anything they may or may not be doing.

No doubt they would be having a good laugh, imo.

Journey On.

[perryfaithful]

....were there any attempts to discuss this at BackTalk??

[NealIsGod]

....were there any attempts to discuss this at BackTalk??

That's a laugh.

[Rockindeano]

I'm sure it was attempted. I bet you my house someone, a mod, has one job over there...watch MR and delete any new topics that appear on BT.

Meanwhile, they are sending covert ops people over here, and I am flushing them down the MR toilet. They are so obvious, and pathetic.

[perryfaithful]

....were there any attempts to discuss this at BackTalk??

That's a laugh.

It surely is, but I am curious if anyone has attempted it. I looked but seeing nothing doesn't mean someone did not give it a shot!

[NealIsGod]

....were there any attempts to discuss this at BackTalk??

That's a laugh.

It surely is, but I am curious if anyone has attempted it. I looked but seeing nothing doesn't mean someone did not give it a shot!

Deano probably did, but isn't that board HEAVILY moderated and biased?