Journey CBS Early Show performance 2001

[Wally_Hatchet]

I don't think Jeff ever sucked.

Listen to the Charolotte boot. "Only the Young" was especially bad. Worse than any karaoke singer I've ever heard and worse than Augeri ever was

Be Good To Yourself was even worse. Man was I worried.

The 2 week vocal rest sure did the trick.

[mystichealer]

Real nice to see all these ( Journey fans ) just totally crapping on Steve Augeri...
If he was lip syncing all these years then Neal Schon Jonathan Cain Irving A------ DESERVE AS MUCH BLAME AS Steve Augeri!
The Omaha NE 10-22-06 Dvd looks & sounds real nice!
JSS is all over the place....
Very cool
if your interested in a copy email me....

I have yet to see ANY credible PROOF of Augeri lip-synching. Those that want to bash Augeri have done nothing but bash him with rumors. Pictures of him holding the mic right up to his mouth aren't ANY proof. And by the way, the faces shown in these pics are clearly not someone lip-synching, they are of someone trying really hard to hit the notes! Until I see ANY credible PROOF, these lip-synch rumors are mere hearsay, plain and simple. I've seen Augeri struggle at times, I've seen him hand off some notes to Deen but I have seen and heard JSS struggle bigtime with notes as well. The boot of Edge of the Blade from Reno 2006 shows JSS struggling BIGTIME with some of the notes, especially at the end. The fact is that these songs are DAMN hard for anyone to sing night after night. My belief, until proven otherwise, is that Augeri's departure was a mutual situtation, most likely even initiated by him. I think after 8 years of singing Journey songs 4+ nights/week on tour, his voice was toast and he just had to stop, he and the band knew it was time. I'm sure others have noticed that each time Journey gets a new lead singer, he is younger than the last. That is for a reason.... Journey should probably get a 25 year old singer with a voice of steel that can handle this abuse night after night.

This is not at all meant to bash Steve Augeri as thats the last thing i wanna do at this stage. They were all to blame for this shit, not just the singer, and it amazes me as to how the rest of the band got off so lightly. People never rip Schon's or Cain's fuckin heads off, and they should as these mutha's are just as much to blame.
I was suspicious in 2005 when i heard a couple of boots and then came the tapegate thing. However, the real eveidence for me came when i caught the video evidence in all its glory. If you want the evidence you really need to check out the dvds of Jones Beach 2006 during 'Stone in Love', and the Milton Keynes Monsters Of Rock festival dvd during 'Be Good To Yourself'. There is no escaping that it is in fact true after you see these clips and your jaw drops.
Failing that just listen to any boot from late 2005 especially 'Separate Ways' which is identical vocals to the 2001 dvd.

Steve Augeri's vocals were shot because of all the years of constant touring, and trying to reach and sing like he was never meant to. If Schon and Cain et al continue in the same vein for the next few years just how long is Soto's voice gonna hold out, as he aint no spring chicken either.

[pdsidd]

Real nice to see all these ( Journey fans ) just totally crapping on Steve Augeri...
If he was lip syncing all these years then Neal Schon Jonathan Cain Irving A------ DESERVE AS MUCH BLAME AS Steve Augeri!
The Omaha NE 10-22-06 Dvd looks & sounds real nice!
JSS is all over the place....
Very cool
if your interested in a copy email me....

I have yet to see ANY credible PROOF of Augeri lip-synching. Those that want to bash Augeri have done nothing but bash him with rumors. Pictures of him holding the mic right up to his mouth aren't ANY proof. And by the way, the faces shown in these pics are clearly not someone lip-synching, they are of someone trying really hard to hit the notes! Until I see ANY credible PROOF, these lip-synch rumors are mere hearsay, plain and simple. I've seen Augeri struggle at times, I've seen him hand off some notes to Deen but I have seen and heard JSS struggle bigtime with notes as well. The boot of Edge of the Blade from Reno 2006 shows JSS struggling BIGTIME with some of the notes, especially at the end. The fact is that these songs are DAMN hard for anyone to sing night after night. My belief, until proven otherwise, is that Augeri's departure was a mutual situtation, most likely even initiated by him. I think after 8 years of singing Journey songs 4+ nights/week on tour, his voice was toast and he just had to stop, he and the band knew it was time. I'm sure others have noticed that each time Journey gets a new lead singer, he is younger than the last. That is for a reason.... Journey should probably get a 25 year old singer with a voice of steel that can handle this abuse night after night.

This is not at all meant to bash Steve Augeri as thats the last thing i wanna do at this stage. They were all to blame for this shit, not just the singer, and it amazes me as to how the rest of the band got off so lightly. People never rip Schon's or Cain's fuckin heads off, and they should as these mutha's are just as much to blame.
I was suspicious in 2005 when i heard a couple of boots and then came the tapegate thing. However, the real eveidence for me came when i caught the video evidence in all its glory. If you want the evidence you really need to check out the dvds of Jones Beach 2006 during 'Stone in Love', and the Milton Keynes Monsters Of Rock festival dvd during 'Be Good To Yourself'. There is no escaping that it is in fact true after you see these clips and your jaw drops.
Failing that just listen to any boot from late 2005 especially 'Separate Ways' which is identical vocals to the 2001 dvd.

Steve Augeri's vocals were shot because of all the years of constant touring, and trying to reach and sing like he was never meant to. If Schon and Cain et al continue in the same vein for the next few years just how long is Soto's voice gonna hold out, as he aint no spring chicken either.

Do you know what?

All I'd like is to see some evidence.

I don't want to see forum thread links, anyone can say what the hell they like and while I'm sure Jeremey has all the credentials in the world I can say whatever I like as well - Neal Schon has a bionic hand - there I've said it and I'm glad it's out there in the public domain.

I'd like to see Augeri lip syncing obviously and if there's a genuine video that proves this, show me it.

Do you know why?

Because I stood a few feet from him at Edinburgh and if he was cheating then he should f**k singing and play big money poker because he must be as convincing as hell and he could buy microsoft out if he could con that many people that night. I'm sure all the nay-sayers are confident in their convictions so give me the video that proves your point.

[elagpa]

I have yet to see ANY credible PROOF of Augeri lip-synching. Those that want to bash Augeri have done nothing but bash him with rumors. Pictures of him holding the mic right up to his mouth aren't ANY proof. And by the way, the faces shown in these pics are clearly not someone lip-synching, they are of someone trying really hard to hit the notes! Until I see ANY credible PROOF, these lip-synch rumors are mere hearsay, plain and simple. I've seen Augeri struggle at times, I've seen him hand off some notes to Deen but I have seen and heard JSS struggle bigtime with notes as well. The boot of Edge of the Blade from Reno 2006 shows JSS struggling BIGTIME with some of the notes, especially at the end. The fact is that these songs are DAMN hard for anyone to sing night after night. My belief, until proven otherwise, is that Augeri's departure was a mutual situtation, most likely even initiated by him. I think after 8 years of singing Journey songs 4+ nights/week on tour, his voice was toast and he just had to stop, he and the band knew it was time. I'm sure others have noticed that each time Journey gets a new lead singer, he is younger than the last. That is for a reason.... Journey should probably get a 25 year old singer with a voice of steel that can handle this abuse night after night.

This is not at all meant to bash Steve Augeri as thats the last thing i wanna do at this stage. They were all to blame for this shit, not just the singer, and it amazes me as to how the rest of the band got off so lightly. People never rip Schon's or Cain's fuckin heads off, and they should as these mutha's are just as much to blame.
I was suspicious in 2005 when i heard a couple of boots and then came the tapegate thing. However, the real eveidence for me came when i caught the video evidence in all its glory. If you want the evidence you really need to check out the dvds of Jones Beach 2006 during 'Stone in Love', and the Milton Keynes Monsters Of Rock festival dvd during 'Be Good To Yourself'. There is no escaping that it is in fact true after you see these clips and your jaw drops.
Failing that just listen to any boot from late 2005 especially 'Separate Ways' which is identical vocals to the 2001 dvd.

Steve Augeri's vocals were shot because of all the years of constant touring, and trying to reach and sing like he was never meant to. If Schon and Cain et al continue in the same vein for the next few years just how long is Soto's voice gonna hold out, as he aint no spring chicken either.

Also, the DVD of Beacon Theater 2005 show the lyp sinch with Augeri forgot to put the mic in his mouth a couple of times meanwhile the 'Live 2001' vocal track was here. In 2004 the lyp sinch was used for some specific parts of the songs, check the Keyselville 2004 DVD in the final vocals of Faithfully for example.

[pdsidd]

I have yet to see ANY credible PROOF of Augeri lip-synching. Those that want to bash Augeri have done nothing but bash him with rumors. Pictures of him holding the mic right up to his mouth aren't ANY proof. And by the way, the faces shown in these pics are clearly not someone lip-synching, they are of someone trying really hard to hit the notes! Until I see ANY credible PROOF, these lip-synch rumors are mere hearsay, plain and simple. I've seen Augeri struggle at times, I've seen him hand off some notes to Deen but I have seen and heard JSS struggle bigtime with notes as well. The boot of Edge of the Blade from Reno 2006 shows JSS struggling BIGTIME with some of the notes, especially at the end. The fact is that these songs are DAMN hard for anyone to sing night after night. My belief, until proven otherwise, is that Augeri's departure was a mutual situtation, most likely even initiated by him. I think after 8 years of singing Journey songs 4+ nights/week on tour, his voice was toast and he just had to stop, he and the band knew it was time. I'm sure others have noticed that each time Journey gets a new lead singer, he is younger than the last. That is for a reason.... Journey should probably get a 25 year old singer with a voice of steel that can handle this abuse night after night.

This is not at all meant to bash Steve Augeri as thats the last thing i wanna do at this stage. They were all to blame for this shit, not just the singer, and it amazes me as to how the rest of the band got off so lightly. People never rip Schon's or Cain's fuckin heads off, and they should as these mutha's are just as much to blame.
I was suspicious in 2005 when i heard a couple of boots and then came the tapegate thing. However, the real eveidence for me came when i caught the video evidence in all its glory. If you want the evidence you really need to check out the dvds of Jones Beach 2006 during 'Stone in Love', and the Milton Keynes Monsters Of Rock festival dvd during 'Be Good To Yourself'. There is no escaping that it is in fact true after you see these clips and your jaw drops.
Failing that just listen to any boot from late 2005 especially 'Separate Ways' which is identical vocals to the 2001 dvd.

Steve Augeri's vocals were shot because of all the years of constant touring, and trying to reach and sing like he was never meant to. If Schon and Cain et al continue in the same vein for the next few years just how long is Soto's voice gonna hold out, as he aint no spring chicken either.

Also, the DVD of Beacon Theater 2005 show the lyp sinch with Augeri forgot to put the mic in his mouth a couple of times meanwhile the 'Live 2001' vocal track was here. In 2004 the lyp sinch was used for some specific parts of the songs, check the Keyselville 2004 DVD in the final vocals of Faithfully for example.

Can you point me to a link for this show?

[RocknRoll]

Well this is coming from a huge Augeri fan as well as a huge JSS fan. I attended a lot of the shows in 2005 and usually from the front row or close. I absolutely loved that show. Loved the pre-Perry songs. I was also at the Edinburgh and Manchester shows again right up front. I heard SA and I also heard his voice crack on occasion, but I still loved every minute of it. Now the big question, do I think he was lip synching? Absolutely not. Were there occasions when his vocals might have been enhanced due to a bad night. Yes, I do believe that now and people can pick and choose which songs they want to rip apart and they have certainly done that on this board. I think the band was prepared to support his vocals if needed as many other bands do today. As far as the Sweden show with Svante, I can't say except that we now know that Steve A's voice just doesn't hold up for a tour anymore. All I know is the guy went out there and did his best and sang his ass off for Journey and the fans. He's a great vocalist and I thank him for all the great concerts in the last 8 years. I wish him well and will support him with his new CD. I will also be out there continuting to support Journey and JSS.

BTW I believe it is common practice for all the videos shown on VH1 to get re-mixed or whatever the termonology is before they are broadcast, but I still love that Faith in the Heartland video as well as Schon's SSB.

Anyway, Happy Holidays to all and here's to a rockin 2007 with JSS and Journey

[pdsidd]

Well this is coming from a huge Augeri fan as well as a huge JSS fan. I attended a lot of the shows in 2005 and usually from the front row or close. I absolutely loved that show. Loved the pre-Perry songs. I was also at the Edinburgh and Manchester shows again right up front. I heard SA and I also heard his voice crack on occasion, but I still loved every minute of it. Now the big question, do I think he was lip synching? Absolutely not. Were there occasions when his vocals might have been enhanced due to a bad night. Yes, I do believe that now and people can pick and choose which songs they want to rip apart and they have certainly done that on this board. I think the band was prepared to support his vocals if needed as many other bands do today. As far as the Sweden show with Svante, I can't say except that we now know that Steve A's voice just doesn't hold up for a tour anymore. All I know is the guy went out there and did his best and sang his ass off for Journey and the fans. He's a great vocalist and I thank him for all the great concerts in the last 8 years. I wish him well and will support him with his new CD. I will also be out there continuting to support Journey and JSS.

BTW I believe it is common practice for all the videos shown on VH1 to get re-mixed or whatever the termonology is before they are broadcast, but I still love that Faith in the Heartland video as well as Schon's SSB.

Anyway, Happy Holidays to all and here's to a rockin 2007 with JSS and Journey

Still nothing presented to alter my point of view, as Augeri sang

Hold onto your faith and dreams
Look into yourself and believe ....

What did the guy in the film say?

Show me the money, well show me the evidence...

[donnaplease]

Well, I've heard the clip that Jeremey (I think) posted a few weeks ago, and it was very compelling (not to mention flat-out horrible!).

Does anyone have any VIDEO clips to share??? I'd love to see them.

Hope everyone is having a great Christmas Eve. :

[AR]

Well, I've heard the clip that Jeremey (I think) posted a few weeks ago, and it was very compelling (not to mention flat-out horrible!).

Does anyone have any VIDEO clips to share??? I'd love to see them.

Hope everyone is having a great Christmas Eve. :

I've posted plenty of vid clips of Augeri faking.

[donnaplease]

Well, I've heard the clip that Jeremey (I think) posted a few weeks ago, and it was very compelling (not to mention flat-out horrible!).

Does anyone have any VIDEO clips to share??? I'd love to see them.

Hope everyone is having a great Christmas Eve. :

I've posted plenty of vid clips of Augeri faking.

Where can I find them??? I think it must have been before I came aboard. Could be my Christmas present from you...?? Remember, I brought you a big bottle of Grey Goose a month & a half ago...

[RocknRoll]

Still nothing presented to alter my point of view, as Augeri sang

Hold onto your faith and dreams
Look into yourself and believe ....

What did the guy in the film say?

Show me the money, well show me the evidence...[/quote]

Hey pdsidd

Are you going to any of the UK shows? I'm planning on the the first four minus Glasgow. I was at the Edinburgh pre-party, were you? It'll be interesting if there is any evidence other than that taken by someone's $200 camcorder.

[JeremyP]

Here's one from Milton Keynes where his vocal nuances are the same as on the Vegas dvd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paBcfjYdSuw

[RocknRoll]

Here's one from Milton Keynes where his vocal nuances are the same as on the Vegas dvd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paBcfjYdSuw

I was there and I would have to argue about this one. First off if it was a tape it would be better. Second that's Deen carrying the vocals when Steve backs off. I think Deen carried the vocals when it was needed. Also, if you could see on the side of the stage, several guys from Alice Cooper's band and others just rockin out. They were loving it.

[JeremyP]

Wow, it's cool that you were there!

I think it's kinda hard to tell based on that clip, but if you have the Journey 2001 dvd, and play both "Stone In Love"'s back to back, you can hear where the little pauses and vocal mannerisms are the same except in between verses when his mic feed is going out to the PA.

[RocknRoll]

Thanks Jeremy I'll give it a shot, but it's going to take a lot to convince me since I felt this show wasn't nearly as great as Manchester or Edinburgh.

If you could find tickets you ought to check out airfare to the UK or Europe right now. Now hotels are a whole different ball game. So if you know anybody now is the time to cash in on favors.

[AR]

Well, I've heard the clip that Jeremey (I think) posted a few weeks ago, and it was very compelling (not to mention flat-out horrible!).

Does anyone have any VIDEO clips to share??? I'd love to see them.

Hope everyone is having a great Christmas Eve. :

I've posted plenty of vid clips of Augeri faking.

Where can I find them??? I think it must have been before I came aboard. Could be my Christmas present from you...?? Remember, I brought you a big bottle of Grey Goose a month & a half ago...

And I am drinking it right now. Best party gift of all time! Luv ya!

Fakery vid coming up in a moment or two.

[elagpa]

First of all , I don't hate Augeri, I become Journey fan when I saw the Live 2001 DVD and hear his beautiful voice and Neal's guitar.
When the Tapegate thing explodes, I downloaded the Manchester 2006 boot and the similarity of the Augeri voice with the 'Live 2001' are evident (remember I'm a 'Live 2001' big fan). Later when I got some DVDs boots I saw the case in all his magnitude. I was shocked.

I uploaded some portions of the DVDs that I mention. check them

http://download.yousendit.com/94EE52323AEE3697

0.29 min --> upss! Steve takes off the microphone before time
1.00 min --> Neal checks that Deen sings the Escape parts that not present on the tape (look the guy behind Deen, the possible tape operator), after of that Neal continue playing to the audience
1.58 min --> upss! Steve forgets put the mic on his mouth, maybe he turn around, because nonwise exactly where to enter

sorry for my english

[AR]

Some video fakery from Baltimore 9/9/05

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... BB0ABCBD60

Keep sucking that dick (errrh, I mean microphone) fraud. Dude, I liked you. Still like Arrival. How could you do this?

[donnaplease]

Thanks guys for the video clips. I'm not intelligent enough to be able to detect anything, other than SA (even on tape...?) has a very weak sounding voice compared to Steve Perry and Jeff Scott Soto. I'm not saying he doesn't have a nice voice, but he's lacking that "edge" that the other 2 have. Another observation I made was that for as much as I've read about how fan-friendly and interactive he is on stage, he pretty much stayed in one spot for both of those clips. In AR's video, it looked like Ross was having fun, but the others barely acknowledged each other or the crowd...

Although I wish him no ill-will, I am even more certain that Journey has made the right decision in replacing Augeri with Soto.

[Granny]

First of all , I don't hate Augeri, I become Journey fan when I saw the Live 2001 DVD and hear his beautiful voice and Neal's guitar.
When the Tapegate thing explodes, I downloaded the Manchester 2006 boot and the similarity of the Augeri voice with the 'Live 2001' are evident (remember I'm a 'Live 2001' big fan). Later when I got some DVDs boots I saw the case in all his magnitude. I was shocked.

I uploaded some portions of the DVDs that I mention. check them

http://download.yousendit.com/94EE52323AEE3697

0.29 min --> upss! Steve takes off the microphone before time
1.00 min --> Neal checks that Deen sings the Escape parts that not present on the tape (look the guy behind Deen, the possible tape operator), after of that Neal continue playing to the audience
1.58 min --> upss! Steve forgets put the mic on his mouth, maybe he turn around, because nonwise exactly where to enter

sorry for my english

Your English is just fine, and thanks for posting those clips...good job... Carol

[Rockindeano]

Well well well.

Here come the HT ers. "Beautiful voice" or "Show me proof?" Not hardly.

We already did all that shit,. when you wads were over there in playland, frothing for red leather.

he lipped, he lied and he got fired.

Fuck him and fuck you.

AR, Jeremey, why are you even showing these idiots a single video?

[Rockindeano]

To the yahoo that tries to make points but hasn't a clue to what is going on....

"(look the guy behind Deen, the possible tape operator)",.....

---- Um, are you fucking serious? That is Jim Handly, Deen's Drum technician. Kevin Elson is the guy who worked the magic.

I am telling you all right now. If you are this desperate, to NOW come over here, after pretty boy is officially fired, and try to now argue tapegate, forget it already. We already exhausted this shit every way til Sunday. Believe what you want to believe. Hold on to the memories of fag boy, cause that's all you got now, losers. Defend a fraud. that's something to be proud of. Gotta love the Augeri supporters....defending a guy with NO morality at al.

[elagpa]

he lipped, he lied and he got fired.

that's not true man... Journey forced him to lipped, lied and later Journey fired the employee Augeri.

Fuck him and fuck you.

Merry Christmas too

[Rockindeano]

he lipped, he lied and he got fired.

that's not true man... Journey forced him to lipped, lied and later Journey fired the employee Augeri.

Ok dude. Stevie Awesome does everything he is told.

He is an adult, completely able to tell ___________ to fuck off, I am not doing this shit. Go ahead, blame Neal and friga and RV. Whatever you do, don't blame the guy who is the only one who couldn't do his job.

[larryfromnextdoor]

wow,, this is getting sad,, i hope augeri gets his website built ,, and SOON...and opens his own message board,,

[Rick]

Hey, Journey was riding a high and making money, what would you have done? Shut it down? If they don't get caught, they would've been ok. Those boys got bills to pay just like you and me, albeit larger bills. So cancel the tour? That's a hard decision. Hell at least they were smart enough to get the job done, and 99% of the fans had no clue anyway. They payed to see Journey and they saw Journey. Went home, got laid and the rest is history. We can all make it what we want. I don't approve either, but at the very least, they did keep the tour going. No laws were broken, they did what they thought was best at the time.
That's just my take on it.

Happy Holidays all.

[elagpa]

To the yahoo that tries to make points but hasn't a clue to what is going on....

"(look the guy behind Deen, the possible tape operator)",.....

---- Um, are you fucking serious? That is Jim Handly, Deen's Drum technician. Kevin Elson is the guy who worked the magic.

I am telling you all right now. If you are this desperate, to NOW come over here, after pretty boy is officially fired, and try to now argue tapegate, forget it already. We already exhausted this shit every way til Sunday. Believe what you want to believe. Hold on to the memories of fag boy, cause that's all you got now, losers. Defend a fraud. that's something to be proud of. Gotta love the Augeri supporters....defending a guy with NO morality at al.

ok, i know that's the drum tech, but in the story of rock drummers and the history of rock bootlegs... I never saw a tech so dedicated to his work, to sit behind Deen all the damn show!!!! unless it enchants the smell of Deen's ass. I think in someone to play the sequences or the metronome (and of course the Augeri tape) during the songs and I don't know if it's Kevin (he's not on stage)... so if Handly isn't the guy, maybe is some button on Neal's guitar

the moron (only after a little post edit)

[conversationpc]

To all the morons who are pointing out how bad Jeff sounded when he first joined the band this summer...Yeah, he didn't sound all that great during some of those first few shows. We all know that. We all also know it was all live. No Memorex there, fortunately.

We also know, thanks to Andrew's interviews, that Jeff had no in-ear monitors for the first couple of weeks. I would venture to say that it's very difficult for a singer to stay on pitch without being able to hear yourself singing in an environment like that. After some rest and acquiring those monitors, he sounded much better and was able to do so while being much more active onstage than Augeri ever was.

I'm still a fan of the Augeri era and hated having to admit that the guy resorted to fakery to get through those shows last year but the fact is he did it. Some of you "new" folks on the board aren't facing up to reality.

[elagpa]

To all the morons who are pointing out how bad Jeff sounded when he first joined the band this summer...Yeah, he didn't sound all that great during some of those first few shows. We all know that. We all also know it was all live. No Memorex there, fortunately.

We also know, thanks to Andrew's interviews, that Jeff had no in-ear monitors for the first couple of weeks. I would venture to say that it's very difficult for a singer to stay on pitch without being able to hear yourself singing in an environment like that. After some rest and acquiring those monitors, he sounded much better and was able to do so while being much more active onstage than Augeri ever was.

I'm still a fan of the Augeri era and hated having to admit that the guy resorted to fakery to get through those shows last year but the fact is he did it. Some of you "new" folks on the board aren't facing up to reality.

Jeff rulz man!
Powerful voice, great stage presence, the band sounds more tight with him

I don't like the firsts shows with Jeff but the time show us his really potential, this is a real new Journey cause they don't have a guy with Perry's voice style.

Somebody out there help me to get DVD bootlegs of Journey with JSS please...

thanx

[Rick]

Well there aren't any DVD's yet. There will be hopefully in the future, but they have to make some music together first. There are video files on the net of Journey with JSS, and Soul Sirkus. Whet your appetite with those, and wait ever so patiently as we all are for the eventual DVD or Blue Ray or whatever format will be prevalent at the time.