More Journey talk...

[Fire99]

Personally i just cant see any appeal with such an album.
A remastered edition of the originals.. yes i could handle that. The classic songs performed by the original guys but with the sound updated a bit but to re-record with a new singer? To me this is one step short of Karaoke!! just!

[Little Lenny]

I suppose it's each to his own. Everyone will have a different view point of course, it's only human nature ....ooh was that a harem scarem pun???

[Perrydise]

Although Arnel Pineda is a much better singer than Augeri and JSS ever were, this project has to represent the lowest point yet in the band's history....

That is the most ridiculous thing ever said. Arnel is just Neal's new pawn, his new boy toy, his new fetcher, nothing more and nothing less. When Neal is done, he is wipe himself off and toss Arnel. The ship is sinking fast and Neal will grab on to ANYTHING , and thats been proven, so he won't sink.

[Red13JoePa]

There has always been a contol deal in place...since Steve left in 1998. I heard 10 years, but a well placed source tells me it was 9 and it has now expired.

Thank God for that.
Maybe releases won't be staggered out half-decades apart now.

My mind still boggles that perry's pet producer would produce the Journey re-recording past songs album and it be a WalMart release, unless it's one of those exclusives The Eagles got.

You mean Kevin Shirley? What gave you that idea? Try Kalodner's 'Pet Producer' FTW.
KS is actually very good with those egos behind the board. He earns his money, fer sure.

Same thing.

Not really. There was no love lost between those two during TBF, and TBF, to my knowledge was SP's only project with Shirley.
Unlike Augeri who did Remember Me and Arrival and other stuff with KS.
Neal's pet producer, sure. Kevin is the only guy I know who can drink NS under the table.

I associate him with perry things, because when he came back Shirley came aboard then perry/JDK had him do GHL, too.

Then he was gone for 13 and Generations.


I agree w/ SinJin, too, there is definately some payback for nearly 2 decades of Journy being cryogenically frozen (artistically) by perry.

[conversationpc]

Although Arnel Pineda is a much better singer than Augeri and JSS ever were, this project has to represent the lowest point yet in the band's history....

You have got to be joking in reference to JSS.

[Little Lenny]

Although Arnel Pineda is a much better singer than Augeri and JSS ever were, this project has to represent the lowest point yet in the band's history....

You have got to be joking in reference to JSS.

ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry I must calm down, hysteria isn't good for you is it?:shock: I'm sorry Matthew but I think we have a case of Uncle tootles here ...IE:- you've lost your marbles...Augeri and especially JSS have excellent voices ...And there is no way you can compare JSS to Arnel, he has a totally different kind of voice anyway IMO .....

I'm with Conversationpc on this ( sorry i do like the old way!!)

[conversationpc]

I'm with Conversationpc on this ( sorry i do like the old way!!)

So do I...Changing it back...

[Matthew]

That is the most ridiculous thing ever said.

Wow...that's quite some accolade. Shame it's so undeserved. Augeri's voice was thin and uninspiring. And JSS's chief strength was his stage presence. To my ears his voice was a bit generic.

Arnel is just Neal's new pawn, his new boy toy, his new fetcher, nothing more and nothing less. When Neal is done, he is wipe himself off and toss Arnel. The ship is sinking fast and Neal will grab on to ANYTHING , and thats been proven, so he won't sink.

Yes, yes...but what has this got to do with the quality of Arnel's voice?

[Matthew]

And there is no way you can compare JSS to Arnel, he has a totally different kind of voice anyway IMO .....

My point was that in terms of vocals alone it could be argued that Journey have taken a step up. Or at the very least have maintained the diminished standard that's been in place since Perry left.

But in terms of the decision to do the GH project it's a definite step down...in fact several steps down. But having said that I've heard rumours that Journey have recorded new songs so maybe it's not as bleak as it seems.

Didn't REO Speedwagon release a double CD through Walmart recently? With re-recorded version of High Fidelity and an album of new songs?

[mikemarrs]

jeremey was smart.i have two babies a girl three years and boy two years old.i don't give a shit if they paid me a half million to i wouldn't give up life with my kids for nothing or nobody.these guys in the band have no soul and all they care about is money.hell they don't even care about their fans much less anybody else.i don't think jeremey will be regreting this decision he made because it was right.

[Matthew]

jeremey was smart.i have two babies a girl three years and boy two years old.i don't give a shit if they paid me a half million to i wouldn't give up life with my kids for nothing or nobody.these guys in the band have no soul and all they care about is money.hell they don't even care about their fans much less anybody else.i don't think jeremey will be regreting this decision he made because it was right.

You know you're getting old when fellow fans of your favourite band start criticizing them for poor parenting skills...

[Little Lenny]

I'm with Conversationpc on this ( sorry i do like the old way!!)

So do I...Changing it back...

I'm applauding that action, thank you it was fine the way it was.... now be told young man LMAO

[Little Lenny]

And there is no way you can compare JSS to Arnel, he has a totally different kind of voice anyway IMO .....

My point was that in terms of vocals alone it could be argued that Journey have taken a step up. Or at the very least have maintained the diminished standard that's been in place since Perry left.

I disagree, while I may not be crazy about all the voices of Journey, it has to be said each one has bought it's own idiosyncrasies with it...I do not see that as being the reason why they should be seen as diminished regarding that score, voices are all different.
However, if you had said, regarding the way in which singers enter and exit the band, then yes I would say that was a ' diminished standard' IMO

[Matthew]

And there is no way you can compare JSS to Arnel, he has a totally different kind of voice anyway IMO .....

My point was that in terms of vocals alone it could be argued that Journey have taken a step up. Or at the very least have maintained the diminished standard that's been in place since Perry left.

I disagree, while I may not be crazy about all the voices of Journey, it has to be said each one has bought it's own idiosyncrasies with it...I do not see that as being the reason why they should be seen as diminished regarding that score, voices are all different.
However, if you had said, regarding the way in which singers enter and exit the band, then yes I would say that was a ' diminished standard' IMO

Lenny...please tell me you're not saying that Augeri and JSS were in the same league as Perry. Even they wouldn't claim that.

And what about Arnel? You're saying that he does represent a 'diminished standard'. So how come his idiosyncracies aren't winning him any points here?

[Wally_Hatchet]

Many bands are doing this (re-recording the classics). It's a financial thing for the most part so they don't have to pay former members/songwriters for using/selling the songs. I asked a member of a well-known band that I really like why they re-recorded their hits, and that was THE reason for doing so.

They ALWAYS have to pay the songwriters (whoever they may be), but perhaps not the original record label that paid for the recording sessions etc, which usually hold draconian contracts over their artists.

I believe in the case of the band I eluded to, it is a former manager, not the record company.

Just making the point that these bands arent re-recording their hits just to do it, or to piss ex-members or fans off. It's all about the $$$.

Thanks 'Drew for the info.

[conversationpc]

I'm with Conversationpc on this ( sorry i do like the old way!!)

So do I...Changing it back...

I'm applauding that action, thank you it was fine the way it was.... now be told young man LMAO

Young man? I'm 36.

[Matthew]

I agree w/ SinJin, too, there is definately some payback for nearly 2 decades of Journy being cryogenically frozen (artistically) by perry.

Red - this is a bizarre attack on Perry - even for you. How is Journey's stagnant creativity since 1998 Perry's fault?

[Perrydise]

That is the most ridiculous thing ever said.

Wow...that's quite some accolade. Shame it's so undeserved. Augeri's voice was thin and uninspiring. And JSS's chief strength was his stage presence. To my ears his voice was a bit generic.

Arnel is just Neal's new pawn, his new boy toy, his new fetcher, nothing more and nothing less. When Neal is done, he is wipe himself off and toss Arnel. The ship is sinking fast and Neal will grab on to ANYTHING , and thats been proven, so he won't sink.

Yes, yes...but what has this got to do with the quality of Arnel's voice?

I dont hear any true quality in his voice. He is a lounge singer in a cover band. He doesn't have what I believe to be the "it" factor like JSS. Jeremey has what it takes but he made a decision based on what is right for him.

[conversationpc]

Lenny...please tell me you're not saying that Augeri and JSS were in the same league as Perry. Even they wouldn't claim that.

Back in his prime, yes, JSS was in the same league as Perry. The guy could wail back in the day. His voice has also held up a little better than Perry's over the years.

[Little Lenny]

I'm with Conversationpc on this ( sorry i do like the old way!!)

So do I...Changing it back...

I'm applauding that action, thank you it was fine the way it was.... now be told young man LMAO

Young man? I'm 36.

Your younger than me..... .....
Im old enough to be your big sister young fella me lad!

[wildone]

Although Arnel Pineda is a much better singer than Augeri and JSS ever were, this project has to represent the lowest point yet in the band's history....

You have got to be joking in reference to JSS.

LMAO Yah ok that's how it is!! Better then Jeff come on ....

[Little Lenny]

Lenny...please tell me you're not saying that Augeri and JSS were in the same league as Perry. Even they wouldn't claim that.

Back in his prime, yes, JSS was in the same league as Perry. The guy could wail back in the day. His voice has also held up a little better than Perry's over the years.

Matthew what you, I, or Joe Soap for that matter hear will always be different. People hear different sounds, have different tastes, have different opinions, they perceive differently.
I am saying the same league, but not the same register, JSS has a hell of a lot of power in his voice, and his voice can go as low or high...now that is not detracting the melodious tones of SP, just stating that I think the argument for diminished standards IMO does not exist where singers and thier vocla abilities are concerned.
I have listened to Arnel, he can sing, but unfortunately his voice does nothing for me.. simple as

[Matthew]

I dont hear any true quality in his voice. He is a lounge singer in a cover band. He doesn't have what I believe to be the "it" factor like JSS. Jeremey has what it takes but he made a decision based on what is right for him.

And Perry worked on a turkey farm.....Augeri worked in Gap...and JSS has been playing the club circuit for over twenty years. It's hardly fair to slam the guy for being a lounge singer before he's even had a chance to show us what he can do.

And as for all these absurd accusations about Journey being anti-family and the mantra that Jeremey did the right thing etc etc....come on...Journey are a ROCK BAND who TOUR. They even wrote a song about 'the road being no place to start a family' back in 1983 and no-one complained about it then. This isn't a job in insurance. This isn't some 9 to 5 schlub operation. It's a heavy rock group playing music for drunk people.

If Jeremey wanted a domestic and regular life...then great. That's his choice. But don't start giving the band a hard time for...er...behaving like a rock band.

And what's more...how do we know that - say - Jonathan Cain is a bad parent who doesn't care enough about his kids? Everything I've ever read about the guy suggests this isn't true. No, I wouldn't imagine that Schon is a contender for Dad of the Year but so what?

[mikemarrs]

33 years young here....

[Little Lenny]

I dont hear any true quality in his voice. He is a lounge singer in a cover band. He doesn't have what I believe to be the "it" factor like JSS. Jeremey has what it takes but he made a decision based on what is right for him.

And Perry worked on a turkey farm.....Augeri worked in Gap...and JSS huffed and puffed for over twenty years with no sucess. It's hardly fair to slam the guy for being a lounge singer before he's even had a chance to show us what he can do.

No he has had success in Europe, and as European ( which I assume as you are in London) you should know that matthew...he has a long record of some great bands/ musicians he's worked with, and songs he has penned...I would hardly say he has huffed and puffed, more like sang without any effort.
His musical life was working for him long before he spent his brief time with Journey. It's just that the Journey episode jettisoned him further into the limelight than he had been before, but he has been in there with the best of them IMO for a long time

[Little Lenny]

33 years young here....

what a strange name!!!

Mike Marrs sounds more normal!!

[Eric]

Cue the Circus music.

I am so glad Jeff got out while he did.....

So am I Dean. I don't think Jeff could have done that with his heart in it anyway. They should have let him lead them in a new direction. How pathetic they are.

Well, he could have and at least they would have sounded unique to his voice and not be a Perry imitation. What is the point hiring someone who sounds close to Perry to record Perry's already recorded songs. We can just listen to Perry.

Yeah...agreed

[Little Lenny]

Cue the Circus music.

I am so glad Jeff got out while he did.....

So am I Dean. I don't think Jeff could have done that with his heart in it anyway. They should have let him lead them in a new direction. How pathetic they are.

Well, he could have and at least they would have sounded unique to his voice and not be a Perry imitation. What is the point hiring someone who sounds close to Perry to record Perry's already recorded songs. We can just listen to Perry.

Yeah...agreed

exactly.... just the fact that Jeff didnt sound like any of the others was a new direction in itself

[ohsherrie]

I agree w/ SinJin, too, there is definately some payback for nearly 2 decades of Journy being cryogenically frozen (artistically) by perry.

Red - this is a bizarre attack on Perry - even for you. How is Journey's stagnant creativity since 1998 Perry's fault?

I'd be interested to know that too 13. The only thing he kept them from doing is what they're doing now, rerecording the hits, and there's nothing artistic about that. Oh wait, I bet you mean they were frozen artistcally because Steve wasn't there to help them.



I think BJG and Rhi are right that there will be no indication in the promotion, the packaging or the point of sale presentation, unless it's in very small print, that this is just karioke and not the real Journey.

People will indeed pick it up because of the name Journey and the familiarity of the song titles. Many people picked up Arrival or the 2001 DVD with no idea that it wasn't the real thing. I think most real fans probably already have the originals of the hits so I can't imagine why they would want to buy them again even if they don't know it's a fake, but the new interest in DSB because of the Sopranos thing will grab some newer, younger music buyers. In fact, I'll bet that song title is what they'll emphasize in the promotion and packaging.

[Matthew]

I dont hear any true quality in his voice. He is a lounge singer in a cover band. He doesn't have what I believe to be the "it" factor like JSS. Jeremey has what it takes but he made a decision based on what is right for him.

And Perry worked on a turkey farm.....Augeri worked in Gap...and JSS huffed and puffed for over twenty years with no sucess. It's hardly fair to slam the guy for being a lounge singer before he's even had a chance to show us what he can do.

No he has had success in Europe, and as European ( which I assume as you are in London) you should know that matthew...he has a long record of some great bands/ musicians he's worked with, and songs he has penned...I would hardly say he has huffed and puffed, more like sang without any effort.
His musical life was working for him long before he spent his brief time with Journey. It's just that the Journey episode jettisoned him further into the limelight than he had been before, but he has been in there with the best of them IMO for a long time

As you'll see Lenny...I've already edited that remark.

Regarding his European success...I sometimes think that's over-stated on this board. He played one night in the Carling Academy in London last week which is quite low in the pecking order of venues here. It's not bad - but probably not much bigger than some of the venues he plays in the US.

That doesn't mean that I think he doesn't deserve success. Because he does. But JSS isn't in a much better situation than Arnel is...and Arnel's career shortcomings are seemingly a big issue....in a way that JSS's never were.