OT - Standing at the political crossroads

[RedWingFan]

So Jesus is going to save ALL? You mean he won't snub the poor, the lazy or the self pitied??

Damn, you're always thinking about yourself aren't you?

[scarygirl]

So Jesus is going to save ALL? You mean he won't snub the poor, the lazy or the self pitied??
Jesus must be a Democrat. A republican god would never take a poor out of work black man.

You funny man you.

[7 Wishes]

It's a good thing Jesus is going to take care of the meek and the poor, since health care and education programs are getting slashed by tens of trillions of dollars by this Administration, despite the fact it's spending at record levels.

[ohsherrie]

Do you work for George Bush or are you just a blind worshipper?

In your mind, EVERYONE who doesn't disagree with everything Bush has done, good or bad, is a blind worshipper, unintelligent, uninformed, or worse.

No, I don't think you worship him or that you're unitelligent. If you're still uninformed after the information that Daniel and I have provided that's by your own choice.

But you've yet to tell me what Bush has done that I should appreciate even though I've asked you numerous times.

[RedWingFan]

It's a good thing Jesus is going to take care of the meek and the poor, since health care and education programs are getting slashed by tens of trillions of dollars by this Administration, despite the fact it's spending at record levels.

Education's getting slashed? Hmmm. news to me. Bush let Teddy Kennedy write the education bill which was the largest increase in the nations history. One of the many way Bush managed to piss me off. Where did you read that it got slashed?

[ohsherrie]

Ummm..that's not me forcing anything. That's just pointing out that nowhere in the Constitution is there a right to privacy clause when it comes to taking a human life.

Bullshit. The Constitution has nothing to do with it. It's a bunch of bible thumping idiosy that makes you think women are incubators.

This from someone who thinks creation should be taught in public schools as if it was fact?

When did I ever say that? I do think that teachers shouldn't be threatened with expulsion or firing for mentioning God, Jesus, or the possibility of creation. I'm guessing you think they should be fired, huh?

Yep. I think the one that's been telling my 10 yr old grandson that abortion is what a mother does when she want's to murder her baby, and that no non-christian should be allowed to be president should be fired.

Did the constitution that you're so fond of using as validation for your viewpoint intend for the government, or in the case of the last 8 yrs, a political party, to manipulate the economy and distribution of wealth in that way?

The government should have no role in any re-distribution of wealth. Those that earn it through their labor should be the only one receiving it if taxes are reduced. PERIOD!

Well then what are the ones who had their jobs eliminated because the government paid companies to take their jobs to China supposed to do to support their families? You don't care do you? As long as you're doing OK and don't have your taxes raised you don't give a fuck about anybody else. You're a perfect republican.

[bluejeangirl76]

Yep. I think the one that's been telling my 10 yr old grandson that abortion is what a mother does when she want's to murder her baby, and that no non-christian should be allowed to be president should be fired.

Wow, are you kidding me! That's.... wow.

I thought my Catholic school experience was questionable, but never ever were we told anything like those things.
That's horrible. We did have a molester-priest though. And no that's not a joke.

[ohsherrie]

So Jesus is going to save ALL? You mean he won't snub the poor, the lazy or the self pitied??

Jesus must be a Democrat. A republican god would never take a poor out of work black man.

Hell Dean, according to the republicans Jesus has no use for poor, white, working class men either. He only looks after CEOs and CFOs. They're the only ones who've worked hard enough to deserve to live decent lives.

[ohsherrie]

Yep. I think the one that's been telling my 10 yr old grandson that abortion is what a mother does when she want's to murder her baby, and that no non-christian should be allowed to be president should be fired.

Wow, are you kidding me! That's.... wow.

I thought my Catholic school experience was questionable, but never ever were we told anything like those things.
That's horrible. We did have a molester-priest though. And no that's not a joke.

Yep BJG, it's happening. My daughter and son-in-law are Christians and they're even appalled by it.

[7 Wishes]

In his fiscal budget for the federal 2006-2007 year President Bush ended 42 US Department of Education programs and significantly reduced spending for four other Education programs.

The Bush-proposed education budget cuts for 2006-2007 affected all public schools and students, but the brunt was borne by disabled and economically disadvantaged students; teachers of math, science, foreign languages and bilingual education and who have outstanding student loans; and especially in the teaching of American History and Civics.
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US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION PROGRAMS PROPOSED BY PRESIDENT BUSH TO BE TERMINATED IN 2006 - 2007

-- Educational technology state grants, $272 million - assists states in generating and using accurate and timely data to meet federal reporting requirements, and facilitate research needed to eliminate achievement gaps and improve learning of all students.

-- Even Start, $99 million - designed to improve the literacy of academic achievement of young children and their low-income families

High school programs terminations:

-- Vocational education state grants, $1,182 million - aims to develop the academic, vocational, and technical skills of students who elect to enroll in vocational and technical programs

-- Vocational education national programs, $9 million

-- Upward Bound, $311 million - provides support to high schoolers from low-income families and to low-income first-generation military veterans to succeed in pre-college performance

-- GEAR UP, $303 million - designed to increase the number of low-income students who are prepared to enter and succeed in college; GEAR UP funds are also used to provide college scholarships to low-income students.

-- Talent search, $145 million - aims at increasing number of disadvantaged youth to complete high school and attend college

-- Tech prep education program, $105 million - Hailed by the Education Department website as "a significant innovation in the education reform movement in the United States....Tech Prep is an important school-to-work transition strategy, helping all students make the connection between school and employment."

-- Smaller learning communities, $94 million - plan, implement or expand smaller learning communities in large high schools, and includes parents, community-based organizations and other community members in the activities of the smaller learning communities. This program was established by the No Child Left Behind Act in 2002.

-- Safe and Drug-Free Schools, $347 million - Includes the widely-praised DARE program.

That's just a few of 'em.

[ohsherrie]

Daniel, the ones who need to know this won't even read it. They like being deluded so they don't have to admit to being deluded.

[strangegrey]

ohsherrie brought up subsidies and you brought up gas prices. I never said anything regarding taxes and the price of gas, although it's incontestable that the price is higher with the tax. Even a lib should be able to put those two together.

Oh, my, you can't let go of the tax issue here. Listen.....18.4%. It's been the same since 1993. Hasn't fucking changed.

So it's NOT incontestable that the price is higher with the tax. I'm talking about going from ~$1.60 - $3.60 over the past 3 years, with ZERO change in the federal rate. The stagnant 18.4% tax has ZERO leverage on the above mentioned increase.

This is my point of contention here...if you think that Hayseed George's actions with:

a) Middle East agressions
b) Trade environments favorable to the chinese economy at the expense of our own
c) Dreadfully irresponsible games with interest rates and fiscal policy which have resulted in a severely weakened dollar

have not been DIRECT contributors to the 150-200% increases we have experienced as consumers at the pump, you're not welcome on the internet. Too many stupid people on the net all ready.

Come on, you're smarter than that...right?

[Monker]

But you've yet to tell me what Bush has done that I should appreciate even though I've asked you numerous times.

What should you be thankful for? He has made it virtually impossible for a neo-conservative to be elected President. He has shattered the Reagan coalition and set the Republican party back 30yrs. He handed congess to the Democrats and the Presidency is theirs to lose.

You have plenty of things to thank George for.us

[RedWingFan]

Missed the source for your facts 7. Care to post them I'd like to check into it before I cut the President a break. I've been ripping him here about expanding the bloated education beauracracy.

[ohsherrie]

But you've yet to tell me what Bush has done that I should appreciate even though I've asked you numerous times.

What should you be thankful for? He has made it virtually impossible for a neo-conservative to be elected President. He has shattered the Reagan coalition and set the Republican party back 30yrs. He handed congess to the Democrats and the Presidency is theirs to lose.

You have plenty of things to thank George for.us

Well, now that you put it that way.

[Monker]

The answer is E. The government makes more than anyone on gas because of all the ridiculous taxes. Oil companies actually make a rather low profit margin on their product compared to most other industries, normally somewhere between 7 to just over 9%.

Yeah Dave, the OIL companies need a tax break. You need to go die somewhere you stupid sonofabitch!

Wow, yet another compassionate liberal. You and that ass Bill Maher are one in the same.

Bill Maher is a Libertarian, not a Liberal. Unless, of course, you think Goldwater was a Liberal.

[conversationpc]

But you've yet to tell me what Bush has done that I should appreciate even though I've asked you numerous times.

You are so freaking deranged in your thinking in regards to Bush and/or Republicans in general that no matter what anyone says here or what evidence is presented, you will not believe it because you take hook, line, and sinker, everything bad that is said about Bush. The fake article someone posted this morning is proof that you will accept ANY bad story about Bush. I'm sorry, but normal people just do not think like you.

[RedWingFan]

The answer is E. The government makes more than anyone on gas because of all the ridiculous taxes. Oil companies actually make a rather low profit margin on their product compared to most other industries, normally somewhere between 7 to just over 9%.

Yeah Dave, the OIL companies need a tax break. You need to go die somewhere you stupid sonofabitch!

Wow, yet another compassionate liberal. You and that ass Bill Maher are one in the same.

Bill Maher is a Libertarian, not a Liberal. Unless, of course, you think Goldwater was a Liberal.

I'd say John Stossel is a Libertarian. I don't agree with him on everything, but 90% of the time I do. Bill Maher can call himself whatever he wants. He's a liberal. Did he applaud Bush's tax cuts. Does he oppose universal health care? Don't think so. Goldwater was before my time. I'm 35.

[Monker]

Well maybe those companies need to scale back on the billions they pay their CEOs and CFOs for fucking over the workers in those companies. That way they can pay their workers and their taxes.

I agree that some of those companies give their executives way too much money but this is a free market and they have the right to do so.

Having the right doesn't always make it right. Sometimes good judgement and human decency have to prevail when people have the rights and freedoms that this country allows. I think maybe the evolution of our government as those in power define it by their interpretation of the Constitution has surpassed the evolution of the human decency of the people that we allow to govern us.

That doesn't change the fact that people, and corporations, in this country have the right to be stupid.

[conversationpc]

Bill Maher is a Libertarian, not a Liberal. Unless, of course, you think Goldwater was a Liberal.

Maher is libertarian on some issues. I'll give you that. However, he's closer to being a liberal, in my estimation, than a true libertarian.

[ohsherrie]

Well maybe those companies need to scale back on the billions they pay their CEOs and CFOs for fucking over the workers in those companies. That way they can pay their workers and their taxes.

I agree that some of those companies give their executives way too much money but this is a free market and they have the right to do so.

Having the right doesn't always make it right. Sometimes good judgement and human decency have to prevail when people have the rights and freedoms that this country allows. I think maybe the evolution of our government as those in power define it by their interpretation of the Constitution has surpassed the evolution of the human decency of the people that we allow to govern us.

That doesn't change the fact that people, and corporations, in this country have the right to be stupid.

But what's to be done when stupidity rules?

[ohsherrie]

Bill Maher is a Libertarian, not a Liberal. Unless, of course, you think Goldwater was a Liberal.

Maher is libertarian on some issues. I'll give you that. However, he's closer to being a liberal, in my estimation, than a true libertarian.

Where is the definition of a true libertarian written?

[Monker]

I'd say John Stossel is a Libertarian. I don't agree with him on everything, but 90% of the time I do. Bill Maher can call himself whatever he wants. He's a liberal. Did he applaud Bush's tax cuts. Does he oppose universal health care? Don't think so. Goldwater was before my time. I'm 35.

Don't know his position on health care. Even Mccain was opposed to tax cuts for fiscal reasons. Being opposed to the war is a Libertarian position. All of his 'get the government out of my life's are Libertarian positions.

Republicans and neo-cons just do not like it when he keeps the Libertarian stance on things like; legalizing drugs, religion, and such.

He is absolutely Libertarian.

And, John Stossel? WTF? You want another example, look at Ron Paul.us