OT-How Long Have You Been Saved

[FishinMagician]

Thank you. I've often thought about that too. What would be the point of Jesus if his blood didn't cover everything?

Exactly

I was about to say the same thing.

am i the only one that doesnt like blood all over my shit??

[FishinMagician]

What's really fucked up are people who believe the Bible was written by God.

I'm not a "Christian", but I do believe in a higher power.

I don't believe the Bible is anything but manipulation and old wives tales.

If you don't believe in the Bible....what else is there? The alternative is kind of scary.

we all die get over it. i know its a yucky feeling boo hoo

[FishinMagician]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JBzxgkDbfPI


Petra-Just Reach Out


Sometimes the night seems to go on for days
When it's hard to see the light through the darkness and the haze
While the world around you makes you feel out of place
And the burdens that you carry are just too hard to face
Just reach out and He'll reach in
Take your broken heart and make it whole again
It don't matter who you are or where you've been
Just reach out and He'll reach in
Standing in a crowd but still all alone
Crying out for answers that nobody knows
Everybody's busy looking out for themselves
Is there anyone who really cares about anyone else?
You say you've walked ten thousand steps away
But don't know that it's only one step back
Because the One who hears you when you pray
Is the One who's there beside you
And He'll never walk away

that pretty much sums up the typical christian band. just strumming 3 chords over and over and over, but i guess you like it for the lyrics, right? at least i would hope

[AlteredDNA]

that pretty much sums up the typical christian band. just strumming 3 chords over and over and over, but i guess you like it for the lyrics, right? at least i would hope

So, nothing positive to add to this thread?

[Pelata]

What's really fucked up are people who believe the Bible was written by God.

I'm not a "Christian", but I do believe in a higher power.

I don't believe the Bible is anything but manipulation and old wives tales.

If you don't believe in the Bible....what else is there? The alternative is kind of scary.

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

[conversationpc]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

[Pelata]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

But it's that human, selfish need to be "right" and have control that caused these rifts in the first place. That alone, letting your selfishness dictate your faith AND divide you from other believers, is scary.

[AlteredDNA]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

But it's that human, selfish need to be "right" and have control that caused these rifts in the first place. That alone, letting your selfishness dictate your faith AND divide you from other believers, is scary.

I don't think it's so much being "right" as it is finding what you are most comfortable with. As conversationpc said, most denominations agree on the fundamental issue(s).

I will agree that any one denomination that says they are the ONLY RIGHT one, is probably not...

[Pelata]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

But it's that human, selfish need to be "right" and have control that caused these rifts in the first place. That alone, letting your selfishness dictate your faith AND divide you from other believers, is scary.

I don't think it's so much being "right" as it is finding what you are most comfortable with. As conversationpc said, most denominations agree on the fundamental issue(s).

I will agree that any one denomination that says they are the ONLY RIGHT one, is probably not...

That being my point. If denominations didn't think they were right, there would have been no reason to split and there would be a more unified church. I've had conversations with people about topics of faith who could produce no Scriptural evidence to back up their position. Their basic defense? They said, and I quote, "I'm right, you're wrong, and no amount of arguing is going to make you any less wrong." When they were asked to back it up with the Bible, they said "I don't need to...you're wrong." I realize this is an extreme, but its an extreme of an existing condition.

[ProgRocker53]

What's really fucked up are people who believe the Bible was written by God.

I'm not a "Christian", but I do believe in a higher power.

I don't believe the Bible is anything but manipulation and old wives tales.

If you don't believe in the Bible....what else is there? The alternative is kind of scary.

we all die get over it. i know its a yucky feeling boo hoo

I was like you for the longest time. I bragged about my open-mindedness (because I accepted everything science had to say), and then my grandpa called me out on my so-called "open mindedness" and said if I really was open, I'd come to church with him that weekend.

I kept an open mind to what I was learning in church and youth group, and ended up getting saved a month later. I'd rather live my life having hope, even if it ends up being false, that I'm going to Heaven after I die thanks to Jesus; than live my whole life thinking I'll end up wormfood.

[journeyMusic]

What's really fucked up are people who believe the Bible was written by God.

I'm not a "Christian", but I do believe in a higher power.

I don't believe the Bible is anything but manipulation and old wives tales.

If you don't believe in the Bible....what else is there? The alternative is kind of scary.

we all die get over it. i know its a yucky feeling boo hoo

I was like you for the longest time. I bragged about my open-mindedness (because I accepted everything science had to say), and then my grandpa called me out on my so-called "open mindedness" and said if I really was open, I'd come to church with him that weekend.

I kept an open mind to what I was learning in church and youth group, and ended up getting saved a month later. I'd rather live my life having hope, even if it ends up being false, that I'm going to Heaven after I die thanks to Jesus; than live my whole life thinking I'll end up wormfood.

Prog--for once we agree!

[Ren]

we all die get over it. i know its a yucky feeling boo hoo

A very profound statement Fish

[Ren]

Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith.

[yulog]

wheres stimpy?

[Ren]

[BobbyinTN]

What's really fucked up are people who believe the Bible was written by God.

I'm not a "Christian", but I do believe in a higher power.

I don't believe the Bible is anything but manipulation and old wives tales.

If you don't believe in the Bible....what else is there? The alternative is kind of scary.

Actually the alternative is freedom. Learn about ALL belief systems, they all have their good points, most of them even more so than Christianity.

The bible is a trap that no human being can live up to. It was written by men to control men.

Read Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus- ... 0060738170

It's amazing what you'll learn.

[BobbyinTN]

What's really fucked up are people who believe the Bible was written by God.

I'm not a "Christian", but I do believe in a higher power.

I don't believe the Bible is anything but manipulation and old wives tales.

If you don't believe in the Bible....what else is there? The alternative is kind of scary.

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

Right on. They say they are all "Christians" but when it get down to the nut bustin', they'd eat each other alive before they'd agree to all believe exactly the same.

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

[BobbyinTN]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

But it's that human, selfish need to be "right" and have control that caused these rifts in the first place. That alone, letting your selfishness dictate your faith AND divide you from other believers, is scary.

I don't think it's so much being "right" as it is finding what you are most comfortable with. As conversationpc said, most denominations agree on the fundamental issue(s).

I will agree that any one denomination that says they are the ONLY RIGHT one, is probably not...

It seems Sally Kerns it speaking for all you Christians lately.

[Ren]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

But it's that human, selfish need to be "right" and have control that caused these rifts in the first place. That alone, letting your selfishness dictate your faith AND divide you from other believers, is scary.

I don't think it's so much being "right" as it is finding what you are most comfortable with. As conversationpc said, most denominations agree on the fundamental issue(s).

I will agree that any one denomination that says they are the ONLY RIGHT one, is probably not...

It seems Sally Kerns it speaking for all you Christians lately.

Who is Sally Kerns?

[RedWingFan]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

[Ren]

What's really fucked up are people who believe the Bible was written by God.

I'm not a "Christian", but I do believe in a higher power.

I don't believe the Bible is anything but manipulation and old wives tales.

If you don't believe in the Bible....what else is there? The alternative is kind of scary.

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

Right on. They say they are all "Christians" but when it get down to the nut bustin', they'd eat each other alive before they'd agree to all believe exactly the same.

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

Extreme religious beliefs and having a strong Christian faith are two different animals altogether.

[BobbyinTN]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

But it's that human, selfish need to be "right" and have control that caused these rifts in the first place. That alone, letting your selfishness dictate your faith AND divide you from other believers, is scary.

I don't think it's so much being "right" as it is finding what you are most comfortable with. As conversationpc said, most denominations agree on the fundamental issue(s).

I will agree that any one denomination that says they are the ONLY RIGHT one, is probably not...

It seems Sally Kerns it speaking for all you Christians lately.

Who is Sally Kerns?

Google her. She's VILE.

[BobbyinTN]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

With billions of people on the planet, the last thing we have to worry about is extinction.

[AlteredDNA]

It seems Sally Kerns it speaking for all you Christians lately.

Who is Sally Kerns?

Google her. She's VILE.

And she most definitely does not speak for all Christians...

[RedWingFan]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

[RedWingFan]

It seems Sally Kerns it speaking for all you Christians lately.

Who is Sally Kerns?

Google her. She's VILE.

And she most definitely does not speak for all Christians...

No more than Andy Dick speaks for all gays!!!!

[Monker]

I tried, believe me. God and I had a falling out of sorts. He didn't like me slamming beers to excessiveness, voting Pro Choice, surfing porn, gambling, swearing like a fuckin sailor, stealing Cokes from the local gas station when the red dot wasn't looking, exposing tapegate, , and lusting after my hot neighbour. So, I am a GDI now. Goddamned Independent.

wrong Dean. God loves you. you know that. it is all about faith and a relationship, not a bunch of random acts.

you too, SJ.

Don't tell me God loves me. I know better. He is a dick to me. A lot of shit has happened for all the wrong reasons. I am definitely on strike with him. I am doing fine being a GDI.

Blaming God for all of your your troubles in life is no different then blaming God for Katrina. It's an excuse to believe what you want to believe.

People choose how they look on life. You can blame God, or blame Satan, or blame your parents, or blame the black cat that your path.

That's life. You live, you have experiences, you grow from it in whatever way you choose to grow from it. But, the key thing is, it is YOUR choice how you deal with your life's experiences. Grow towards God, grow "independent", shut yourself off from people and not grow at all. Whatever...it's your choice, not God's.

[Abitaman]

Been saved since Dec 92. Got baptized in April 93.
Any who admits they are a sinner and believes in Jesus Christ will be saved. Do we all come up short of the bible? YES. No one but Christ was, is, or will be perfect.
Some one quoted some verses from Duter. in the old testament in another thread, about stoning people and such if the get out of line. That was in the old testament and was when we were under the law of Moses. We are under Grace now. Plus the bible also mentions following your leaders, if they don't go against Gods will. I think NOT stoning someone because they changed the law, would be OK to follow.
Then someone put some whacked out quotes from who knows who or where or under what circumstances and says here look at these whacked out people.
As for Greg(?) who quit the forum because of how people threated his and mine all Christian religion. This forum is no different than the real world. People are going to put us down. You want respect from a non-Christian (some of them anyway), forget it. They are looking for the person to fail, so they can say "see, and he calls himself a Christian" What they don't understand is they Christians are regular people who have the same problems as rest of the world. We have temptations, we get mad and may cuss, we may do what ever...(insert your own sin here), but we know this and when we sin, we ask for forgiveness. It doesn't give a "right to sin" because we are saved, if we keep up the same lifestyle as before we got saved, I would have to wonder about my salvation. I am not perfect. I make mistakes, and when I do I ask for forgiveness, and that I will not do this again. I could go on about this, I have a lot more....but...Greg do not walk away from this board because of a few who don't know better or don't want to know better. Do you walk away from it away from the board? Walking away from this board can only make them call you a failure. I am not and I don't belive you are either.

I know I haven't been around much lately, But this I had to comment on. Been working in Memphis (2 hr drive) so it doesn't leave me much time once I get home each night, eat and spend time with the family. But I check in everyday, good to see Red 13, Noble Cause, JRNY28, PO8, Yogi,Sadie, and Suiteadame Blue are still around, plus a lot of the others. Once we move closer to my job (hopefully this summer) I will be back posting more. Anyway in a big hurry here, kids are wanting me to tuck them in, been putting them off for about 5 minutes while I type this (shame on me), but I had to get my Say in on this before it goes by by-ERIC

[squirt1]

I believe that organized religion as we were taught may be very different from my reality. I had 3 huge incidences when relatives died. Life does go on or there is no explanation to what all happened to me. Who is to say that the big bang wasn't the Lord saying LET THERE BE ! I believe more than physics keeps this universes in order.

[Ren]

I believe that organized religion as we were taught may be very different from my reality. I had 3 huge incidences when relatives died. Life does go on or there is no explanation to what all happened to me. Who is to say that the big bang wasn't the Lord saying LET THERE BE ! I believe more than physics keeps this universes in order.

I also believe in Physics, but I actually think God utilized this to create what we see. I don't think he just snapped his fingers and here we are! His concept of time and ours are not even close.