OT-Are you voting Republican?

[conversationpc]

Wouldn’t want to. Hard to argue against a lobotomized baby killer and oil pirate. Go bic your ass.

That is just completely out of line, even considering some of the low things you've said on here in the past.

[RedWingFan]

That's the biggest mistake that opponents of abortion make. I am against abortion, I hate the thought of it, but I'd never assume I could tell a woman what is right for her and her body.

Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Is it not?
With your way of thinking, you'd also take the following stand.

That's the biggest mistake that opponents of slavery make. I am against slavery, I hate the thought of it, but I'd never assume I could tell plantation owners what is right for him or his business.


They're both morally wrong, one was and the other deserves to be abolished much less federally funded.

Oh come on. You stretch any further you're gonna hurt something. Please explain to me how owning another person is the same as governing your own body and doing with your own body what you please?

Watch a late term abortion and tell me if it's the mother's body that goes from moving and kicking to falling limp.

[Ehwmatt]

It's too bad I enjoy posting on these forums too much to risk getting banned after to post all the nice replies I have in my mind to TNC's vitriol.

[Dr Arrival]

Am embryo is not a child? Wow, what an amazing revelation!

I am a gynecologist and believe STRONGLY in the RIGHT to CHOOSE.

The right to choose whether or not to have sex.
The right to choose whether or not to use contraception when having sex.
The right to choose whether or not to train to PERFORM an abortion.

The issue is very muddied. Having seen all types of situations, I am sickened by the current situation in our country. We continue to raise generations of narcissistic kids who think they are entitled to DO anything they want without having to accept the responsibility of their actions. Unfortunately, liberals, for the most part, continue to work very hard to make sure these kids reserve the right to put themselves into a vicious cycle of stupidity, irresponsibility and dependence on the government.

I have weighed the issues of abortion a million times over. As I see the issues every day.
I see these beautiful "embryos" as you call them (and I will refrain from the science lesson, but they aren't embryos for very long, they are living, thriving fetuses with 10 fingers and 10 toes when the majority of them are aborted) and I think that any woman who would ASK another human being to KILL it for her is a sick fuck of a human being.

Having said that, all women should reserve the right to make the decision for themselves. Sad but true. But not because they ignorantly believe that this "embryo" is not a child. It is a very alive, very innocent being who certainly did not deserve the life it was dealt. A few weeks in the womb and then BLAM, sucked and blasted into a million pieces. Every person on this forum is VERY FORTUNATE to have had a mother that loved us immensely, enough to sacrifice whatever it took to allow us to live our lives.

But in this day and age, especially in the U.S., where we were founded on our individual freedoms, it would be wrong to start forcing people to behave with dignity and character and integrity. Otherwise, voting for Obama would be outlawed.

[BobbyinTN]

That's the biggest mistake that opponents of abortion make. I am against abortion, I hate the thought of it, but I'd never assume I could tell a woman what is right for her and her body.

Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Is it not?
With your way of thinking, you'd also take the following stand.

That's the biggest mistake that opponents of slavery make. I am against slavery, I hate the thought of it, but I'd never assume I could tell plantation owners what is right for him or his business.


They're both morally wrong, one was and the other deserves to be abolished much less federally funded.

Oh come on. You stretch any further you're gonna hurt something. Please explain to me how owning another person is the same as governing your own body and doing with your own body what you please?

Watch a late term abortion and tell me if it's the mother's body that goes from moving and kicking to falling limp.

Uh, key words, LATE TERM.

Again, it's up to the woman and not my place to tell her what she can and can't do with her body. Maybe you'd rather it be born into poverty, unwanted and then die from neglect or worse.

[RossValoryRocks]

Am embryo is not a child? Wow, what an amazing revelation!

I am a gynecologist and believe STRONGLY in the RIGHT to CHOOSE.

The right to choose whether or not to have sex.
The right to choose whether or not to use contraception when having sex.
The right to choose whether or not to train to PERFORM an abortion.

The issue is very muddied. Having seen all types of situations, I am sickened by the current situation in our country. We continue to raise generations of narcissistic kids who think they are entitled to DO anything they want without having to accept the responsibility of their actions. Unfortunately, liberals, for the most part, continue to work very hard to make sure these kids reserve the right to put themselves into a vicious cycle of stupidity, irresponsibility and dependence on the government.

I have weighed the issues of abortion a million times over. As I see the issues every day.
I see these beautiful "embryos" as you call them (and I will refrain from the science lesson, but they aren't embryos for very long, they are living, thriving fetuses with 10 fingers and 10 toes when the majority of them are aborted) and I think that any woman who would ASK another human being to KILL it for her is a sick fuck of a human being.

Having said that, all women should reserve the right to make the decision for themselves. Sad but true. But not because they ignorantly believe that this "embryo" is not a child. It is a very alive, very innocent being who certainly did not deserve the life it was dealt. A few weeks in the womb and then BLAM, sucked and blasted into a million pieces. Every person on this forum is VERY FORTUNATE to have had a mother that loved us immensely, enough to sacrifice whatever it took to allow us to live our lives.

But in this day and age, especially in the U.S., where we were founded on our individual freedoms, it would be wrong to start forcing people to behave with dignity and character and integrity. Otherwise, voting for Obama would be outlawed.

::::CHEERS::::

I know you have a wonderful man in Butch, and I have a wonderful woman in Emily...but marry me?!

That was awsome.

WOW

[Dr Arrival]

late term abortions are abominations of medical science and should rarely ever be performed

due to the miracle of medical science, unborn children can survive even at 23 weeks gestational life

[Dr Arrival]

[quote="BobbyinTNUh, key words, LATE TERM.

Again, it's up to the woman and not my place to tell her what she can and can't do with her body. Maybe you'd rather it be born into poverty, unwanted and then die from neglect or worse.[/quote]

Wow, those are the only two choices? I had no idea! Thanks for the clarification.

[Rhiannon]

Am embryo is not a child? Wow, what an amazing revelation!

I am a gynecologist and believe STRONGLY in the RIGHT to CHOOSE.

The right to choose whether or not to have sex.
The right to choose whether or not to use contraception when having sex.
The right to choose whether or not to train to PERFORM an abortion.

The issue is very muddied. Having seen all types of situations, I am sickened by the current situation in our country. We continue to raise generations of narcissistic kids who think they are entitled to DO anything they want without having to accept the responsibility of their actions. Unfortunately, liberals, for the most part, continue to work very hard to make sure these kids reserve the right to put themselves into a vicious cycle of stupidity, irresponsibility and dependence on the government.

I have weighed the issues of abortion a million times over. As I see the issues every day.
I see these beautiful "embryos" as you call them (and I will refrain from the science lesson, but they aren't embryos for very long, they are living, thriving fetuses with 10 fingers and 10 toes when the majority of them are aborted) and I think that any woman who would ASK another human being to KILL it for her is a sick fuck of a human being.

Having said that, all women should reserve the right to make the decision for themselves. Sad but true. But not because they ignorantly believe that this "embryo" is not a child. It is a very alive, very innocent being who certainly did not deserve the life it was dealt. A few weeks in the womb and then BLAM, sucked and blasted into a million pieces. Every person on this forum is VERY FORTUNATE to have had a mother that loved us immensely, enough to sacrifice whatever it took to allow us to live our lives.

But in this day and age, especially in the U.S., where we were founded on our individual freedoms, it would be wrong to start forcing people to behave with dignity and character and integrity. Otherwise, voting for Obama would be outlawed.

Agree 100000000%. You are my hero, that was the best post on this issue, EVER. Hands down. I applaud you, ma'am.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Unfortunately, liberals, for the most part, continue to work very hard to make sure these kids reserve the right to put themselves into a vicious cycle of stupidity, irresponsibility and dependence on the government.

FACT: Abortion rate went down under Clinton.
FACT: Bush’s abstinence –only programs have been a dismal failure, with teen pregnancy rates in red states, in particular, skyrocketing.

Kids always have and always will fuck.
If you think the primal act of slapping skin is somehow the result of the reliably nefarious Democrats, you were most likely homeschooled or took a chrome dildo to the senior prom.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's too bad I enjoy posting on these forums too much to risk getting banned after to post all the nice replies I have in my mind to TNC's vitriol.

You got no facts bitch.
Bring it.

[BobbyinTN]

Am embryo is not a child? Wow, what an amazing revelation!

I am a gynecologist and believe STRONGLY in the RIGHT to CHOOSE.

The right to choose whether or not to have sex.
The right to choose whether or not to use contraception when having sex.
The right to choose whether or not to train to PERFORM an abortion.

The issue is very muddied. Having seen all types of situations, I am sickened by the current situation in our country. We continue to raise generations of narcissistic kids who think they are entitled to DO anything they want without having to accept the responsibility of their actions. Unfortunately, liberals, for the most part, continue to work very hard to make sure these kids reserve the right to put themselves into a vicious cycle of stupidity, irresponsibility and dependence on the government.

I have weighed the issues of abortion a million times over. As I see the issues every day.
I see these beautiful "embryos" as you call them (and I will refrain from the science lesson, but they aren't embryos for very long, they are living, thriving fetuses with 10 fingers and 10 toes when the majority of them are aborted) and I think that any woman who would ASK another human being to KILL it for her is a sick fuck of a human being.

Having said that, all women should reserve the right to make the decision for themselves. Sad but true. But not because they ignorantly believe that this "embryo" is not a child. It is a very alive, very innocent being who certainly did not deserve the life it was dealt. A few weeks in the womb and then BLAM, sucked and blasted into a million pieces. Every person on this forum is VERY FORTUNATE to have had a mother that loved us immensely, enough to sacrifice whatever it took to allow us to live our lives.

But in this day and age, especially in the U.S., where we were founded on our individual freedoms, it would be wrong to start forcing people to behave with dignity and character and integrity. Otherwise, voting for Obama would be outlawed.

Maybe it would be better if you lived in a dictatorship. Again for the 1000th time, I am against abortion, but I think the living, breathing, woman's choice is more important than my beliefs. That's something you conservatives can't seem to understand.

[BobbyinTN]

[quote="BobbyinTNUh, key words, LATE TERM.

Again, it's up to the woman and not my place to tell her what she can and can't do with her body. Maybe you'd rather it be born into poverty, unwanted and then die from neglect or worse.

Wow, those are the only two choices? I had no idea! Thanks for the clarification.[/quote]

Or you could adopt them.

[Dr Arrival]

Unfortunately, liberals, for the most part, continue to work very hard to make sure these kids reserve the right to put themselves into a vicious cycle of stupidity, irresponsibility and dependence on the government.

FACT: Abortion rate went down under Clinton.
FACT: Bush’s abstinence –only programs have been a dismal failure, with teen pregnancy rates in red states, in particular, skyrocketing.

Kids always have and always will fuck.
If you think the primal act of slapping skin is somehow the result of the reliably nefarious Democrats, you were most likely homeschooled or took a chrome dildo to the senior prom.

How you could grossly misinterpret what I said is quite amusing. I don't argue with dumb people. Not enough time. Probably because I work for a living. That would be a TAX PROVIDER to you.

[Dr Arrival]

Maybe it would be better if you lived in a dictatorship. Again for the 1000th time, I am against abortion, but I think the living, breathing, woman's choice is more important than my beliefs. That's something you conservatives can't seem to understand.

Okay, so you agree with me. Read my post again. If it is still confusing, ask Stu. He may have the patience to explain it.

[BobbyinTN]

Maybe it would be better if you lived in a dictatorship. Again for the 1000th time, I am against abortion, but I think the living, breathing, woman's choice is more important than my beliefs. That's something you conservatives can't seem to understand.

Okay, so you agree with me. Read my post again. If it is still confusing, ask Stu. He may have the patience to explain it.

Ya know, the condescension seems to serve only your pseudo-intellectuall need for attention . Stroking your own ego is basically mental masturbation. You're the only beneficiary.

I notice in your post you try to paint liberals with a broad stroke. That's where your point becomes pointless.

[RedWingFan]

Maybe it would be better if you lived in a dictatorship. Again for the 1000th time, I am against abortion, but I think the living, breathing, woman's choice is more important than my beliefs. That's something you conservatives can't seem to understand.

Okay, so you agree with me. Read my post again. If it is still confusing, ask Stu. He may have the patience to explain it.

I notice in your post you try to paint liberals with a broad stroke. That's where your point becomes pointless.

Broad strokes? You mean like this post of yours earlier in the thread?

Bullshit. That's simply a conservatives take on a liberal. Liberals want what is right for everyone, conservatives want what is right for themselves.

Hypocrite

[The_Noble_Cause]

How you could grossly misinterpret what I said is quite amusing. I don't argue with dumb people.

Which one of us is the elitist again?

Not enough time. Probably because I work for a living.

Yeh, drawing the beef curtains and taking sulfuric queefs to the face. What an honorable profession.
Do your patients ever mistake the stirrups as a relic from your Triple Crown Kentucky Derby days, u horse faced wench?

That would be a TAX PROVIDER to you.

Anyone in the medical profession who would poke fun of the financially disadvantaged deserves no less than to be teabagged by a mace.
The Florence Nightingale of pussy you most certainly are not.

[BobbyinTN]

Maybe it would be better if you lived in a dictatorship. Again for the 1000th time, I am against abortion, but I think the living, breathing, woman's choice is more important than my beliefs. That's something you conservatives can't seem to understand.

Okay, so you agree with me. Read my post again. If it is still confusing, ask Stu. He may have the patience to explain it.

I notice in your post you try to paint liberals with a broad stroke. That's where your point becomes pointless.

Broad strokes? You mean like this post of yours earlier in the thread?

Bullshit. That's simply a conservatives take on a liberal. Liberals want what is right for everyone, conservatives want what is right for themselves.

Hypocrite

Who was the first to trash a whole group, me or the person I was responding to? Do some homework before you try passing a test.

[BobbyinTN]

How you could grossly misinterpret what I said is quite amusing. I don't argue with dumb people.

Which one of us is the elitist again?

Not enough time. Probably because I work for a living.

Yeh, drawing the beef curtains and taking sulfuric queefs to the face. What an honorable profession.
Do your patients ever mistake the stirrups as a relic from your Triple Crown Kentucky Derby days, u horse faced wench?

That would be a TAX PROVIDER to you.

Anyone in the medical profession who would poke fun of the financially disadvantaged deserves no less than to be teabagged by a mace.
The Florence Nightingale of pussy you most certainly are not.

Right. I especially love this part, "But in this day and age, especially in the U.S., where we were founded on our individual freedoms, it would be wrong to start forcing people to behave with dignity and character and integrity".

That broad paint brush has to be heavy.

[G.I.Jim]

Maybe it would be better if you lived in a dictatorship. Again for the 1000th time, I am against abortion, but I think the living, breathing, woman's choice is more important than my beliefs. That's something you conservatives can't seem to understand.

Okay, so you agree with me. Read my post again. If it is still confusing, ask Stu. He may have the patience to explain it.

I notice in your post you try to paint liberals with a broad stroke. That's where your point becomes pointless.

Broad strokes? You mean like this post of yours earlier in the thread?

Bullshit. That's simply a conservatives take on a liberal. Liberals want what is right for everyone, conservatives want what is right for themselves.

Hypocrite

You know what Bobby...this is where I have to disagree with you! Liberals want welfare for people who are too fucking lazy to get a job. They want people like me (who do work hard) to pay out the ass in taxes, so that these lazy little assholes nowadays can get a check. My paycheck goes to women who get pregnant on purpose, so that they can milk the Welfare system. THAT's what Liberals want. They also want to tax the shit out of the rich, and make it pointless for someone who busts their ass trying to get ahead of the average Joe out there who just skims by.


Conservatives on the other hand, believe that if you go out, work hard, and EARN something, the government should keep their damn hands OUT of your well-earned money. Call me crazy, but I'm conservative all the way!

I hope for GOD's sake, that we don't get a damn Democrat in office this year. Either way, they're BOTH completely liberal. I'm stuck voting for the lesser of two evils.

[7 Wishes]

I hate to throw a curveball, but I have been compelled to do some serious research on global warming. A conservative on this board, whom I respect greatly, has sent me several articles which raise serious questions about global warming. I've done a little research of my own...and although I'm more skeptical than I once was, this is what I have come up with:

A database of published scientific articles is kept by the The Institute for Scientific Information. A research team in read through the abstracts of the 928 articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between the years of 1998 and 2003 that included the keywords "global climate change". Of these articles, 75% accepted the consensus view that global warming is occurring and is due to human activity. The other 25% did not reject the consensus. Rather, these 25% simply did not mention the question at all. Absolutely none of the peer-reviewed articles rejected the consensus that global warming is real and has been caused by humans.

The National Academy of Sciences writes, "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise."

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, organized by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental Program, states, "Natural forcing alone is unlikely to explain the recent observed global warming or the observed changes in vertical temperatures structure of the atmosphere," and that "The present carbon dioxide concentration has not been exceeded during the past 420,000 years and likely not during the past 20 million years. . . . In light of new evidence . . . most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations."

The ideological resistance of the Republican Party to accepting the realities of global climate change are understandable when one looks at the financial constituencies that the Republicans serve. Large corporations, and especially old energy companies from the industrial age, donate money to Republican causes in huge amounts, and expect their particular interests to be served. The perpetuation of a petroleum-based economy is prime among these corporate interests, and so it is only natural that the elite Republican leadership is in a defensive holding pattern, trying to delay policies that deal with the dangers of global climate change for as long as possible.

Myth 1: Global climate change models predict warming at the poles, but this isn't taking place.

Observable effects of global climate change are taking place all over the globe, but are especially strong at the poles and at high altitudes. "Things that normally happen in geologic time are happening during the span of a human lifetime," says Daniel Fagre, a scientist with the U.S. Geological Survey Global Change Research Program. "It's like watching the Statue of Liberty melt."

In just the last 30 years, arctic sea ice has thinned by 10 percent. Greenland's ice sheet is rapidly shrinking. Freshwater ice breakup in the Northern Hemisphere occurs nine days earlier now than it did 150 years ago. In parts of Alaska, the thawing of what was once known as "permafrost" has caused the ground to subside more than 15 feet. Robert Pinkel a member of the Arctic Council's research team, states, "What's happening in the Arctic isn't subtle. It's happening very fast, and... it's fairly convincing that on the scale of our lifetimes very dramatic things will be happening."

In the Antarctic, there is less data than in the Arctic. This is for the simple reason that there are fewer researchers able to gain access to the environment there. However, the data that exists suggests serious climate change is striking Antarctica. The interior of the continent has remained cool, but the continental edges have warmed dramatically, causing major ice sheets to collapse and break away from the Antarctic land mass. Additionally, the ocean around Antarctica has been strongly affected. For example, as the result of a rise in the temperature of Antarctic waters, krill populations have dropped by 80 percent over the last 25 years.

Myth 2: Sea levels can't possibly be caused by Antarctic ice shelves breaking away, because the ice shelves are already floating.

This idea has gained a great deal of attention in Republican circles, where political operatives are eager to grab onto any possible means through which to minimize the threat of global climate change. The idea that Republicans promote is that ice shelves float around on the water whether they are attached to a land mass or not, so it doesn't matter that huge portions of the Antarctic ice shelves are breaking away.

Actually, recent research has shown that coastal ice shelves do impact sea level significantly. When the ice shelves remain intact and attached to a land mass, they inhibit the flow of continental glaciers into the ocean. When the ice shelves break off, the rate of glacial flow into the sea speeds up dramatically. Additionally, when ice shelves free themselves from attachment to land, they become more vulnerable to further breakup, so that the total mass, with an increased surface area, melts more quickly into the ocean. Also, free ice shelves are able to move into warmer waters, another factor that accelerates their disintegration, contributing to rising sea levels.

Whatever Republicans like to argue about ice shelves and sea levels, the fact is that rising sea levels are an objectively observed reality. Scientists have noted an increase in sea levels for years - a fact that is related to an increase of Arctic and Antarctic melt and an increase in water temperatures.

Myth 3: The current global warming trends are nothing more than natural repetitions of warming seen during medieval times.

Republicans are eager to cite what they call the "Medieval Warm Period" as proof that global climate change is a purely natural event, a nothing to worry about. They claim that global temperatures in medieval times exceeded the global temperatures of today, and were the result of purely natural causes. However, the scientific review of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has strongly rejected the validity of this claim, and found that warming trends today are more dramatic than at any time in the last thousand years.

This myth is based on a number of false premises. First of all, the increase in global temperatures during the "Medieval Warm Period" has been found in a number of peer-reviewed scientific studies to be greatly less than the warming that is taking place today. Second, this myth is based only on European weather trends in medieval times, when what really matters is global climate trends. Third, the Republicans who make claims about a "Medieval Warm Period" that supposedly dwarfs the current warming trend base their claims upon a comparison of temperatures in medieval times to temperatures during the entire 20th Century. The problem with doing so is that the comparison clumps all of the 20th Century together as if it is one moment in time with one temperature, thus treating the dramatic increase in global temperature from the beginning of the 20th Century to the end of the 20th Century as if it does not exist. Furthermore, the evidence for significant warming in Europe in medieval times is not completely clear. Republican analysts frequently confuse evidence of drought with evidence for temperature increase, and so make a leap of faith when they make their claims of a "Medieval Warm Period". The temperatures we record today are reliable figures collected directly without the need for such stretched supposition.

[conversationpc]

A database of published scientific articles is kept by the The Institute for Scientific Information. A research team in read through the abstracts of the 928 articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between the years of 1998 and 2003 that included the keywords "global climate change". Of these articles, 75% accepted the consensus view that global warming is occurring and is due to human activity. The other 25% did not reject the consensus. Rather, these 25% simply did not mention the question at all. Absolutely none of the peer-reviewed articles rejected the consensus that global warming is real and has been caused by humans....

So is this all from 2003 then? If so, it's worthy of note that it's just over the last year or two that many scientists have been saying that it hasn't been warming in the last 7 or 8 years now.

[conversationpc]

Yeh, drawing the beef curtains and taking sulfuric queefs to the face. What an honorable profession.
Do your patients ever mistake the stirrups as a relic from your Triple Crown Kentucky Derby days, u horse faced wench?

Pray tell, please, what you look like AND what your profession is so that we can also pass judgement on thee.

[Calbear94]

A database of published scientific articles is kept by the The Institute for Scientific Information. A research team in read through the abstracts of the 928 articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between the years of 1998 and 2003 that included the keywords "global climate change". Of these articles, 75% accepted the consensus view that global warming is occurring and is due to human activity. The other 25% did not reject the consensus. Rather, these 25% simply did not mention the question at all. Absolutely none of the peer-reviewed articles rejected the consensus that global warming is real and has been caused by humans....

So is this all from 2003 then? If so, it's worthy of note that it's just over the last year or two that many scientists have been saying that it hasn't been warming in the last 7 or 8 years now.

Come on, PC...you can do better than that! Get into the game, man! Bring your best or don't bring it at all...

[BobbyinTN]

Maybe it would be better if you lived in a dictatorship. Again for the 1000th time, I am against abortion, but I think the living, breathing, woman's choice is more important than my beliefs. That's something you conservatives can't seem to understand.

Okay, so you agree with me. Read my post again. If it is still confusing, ask Stu. He may have the patience to explain it.

I notice in your post you try to paint liberals with a broad stroke. That's where your point becomes pointless.

Broad strokes? You mean like this post of yours earlier in the thread?

Bullshit. That's simply a conservatives take on a liberal. Liberals want what is right for everyone, conservatives want what is right for themselves.

Hypocrite

You know what Bobby...this is where I have to disagree with you! Liberals want welfare for people who are too fucking lazy to get a job. They want people like me (who do work hard) to pay out the ass in taxes, so that these lazy little assholes nowadays can get a check. My paycheck goes to women who get pregnant on purpose, so that they can milk the Welfare system. THAT's what Liberals want. They also want to tax the shit out of the rich, and make it pointless for someone who busts their ass trying to get ahead of the average Joe out there who just skims by.


Conservatives on the other hand, believe that if you go out, work hard, and EARN something, the government should keep their damn hands OUT of your well-earned money. Call me crazy, but I'm conservative all the way!

I hope for GOD's sake, that we don't get a damn Democrat in office this year. Either way, they're BOTH completely liberal. I'm stuck voting for the lesser of two evils.

It's cool to disagree, but there must be some reality and fact to back it up Jim. All liberals don't want anything, we are individual thinkers and the majority of us do believe in responsiblity. The problem with the conservatives is they think no one ever needs help and are always ready to push someone under the bus if it means giving up one of their dollars. I think the government needs to take a step back, but when it comes to people hurt on the job, old people who have paid taxes all their lives and those who actually need help, there should be help there for them. It's sad that some of you can repeat the same lies over and over without thinking about it. The republicans want your money as much as the democrats do, it's just the republicans want the money for themselves, the ultra-rich or big business, democrats actually want it to go to the people. You'll never avoid paying taxes and blaming liberals for that is not only naive, it's simply not the truth of the matter.

I want everyone who can work to work, unless they are wealthy, and no one should be able to take advantage of the system, but when you've got politicians being paid with tax dollars and those politicians live in million dollar homes, drive the best cars, get the best education, you really don't have much room to criticize the few poor people who try to take advantage too.

[conversationpc]

The republicans want your money as much as the democrats do, it's just the republicans want the money for themselves, the ultra-rich or big business, democrats actually want it to go to the people.

If you really believe that, then I'd like to sell you a really big bridge. Most politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle want power and money for themselves. True conservatives AND true liberals don't but, unfortunately, there are too many of those left in government anymore.

[Centaure]

A database of published scientific articles is kept by the The Institute for Scientific Information. A research team in read through the abstracts of the 928 articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between the years of 1998 and 2003 that included the keywords "global climate change". Of these articles, 75% accepted the consensus view that global warming is occurring and is due to human activity. The other 25% did not reject the consensus. Rather, these 25% simply did not mention the question at all. Absolutely none of the peer-reviewed articles rejected the consensus that global warming is real and has been caused by humans....

So is this all from 2003 then? If so, it's worthy of note that it's just over the last year or two that many scientists have been saying that it hasn't been warming in the last 7 or 8 years now.

Well, maybe in the US, but not in Canada and Europe.
That may show how most of the US population are late on a lot of issues.

[G.I.Jim]

A database of published scientific articles is kept by the The Institute for Scientific Information. A research team in read through the abstracts of the 928 articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between the years of 1998 and 2003 that included the keywords "global climate change". Of these articles, 75% accepted the consensus view that global warming is occurring and is due to human activity. The other 25% did not reject the consensus. Rather, these 25% simply did not mention the question at all. Absolutely none of the peer-reviewed articles rejected the consensus that global warming is real and has been caused by humans....

So is this all from 2003 then? If so, it's worthy of note that it's just over the last year or two that many scientists have been saying that it hasn't been warming in the last 7 or 8 years now.

Well, maybe in the US, but not in Canada and Europe.
That may show how most of the US population are late on a lot of issues.

You're right...we were late in building the Atom bomb, becoming the world super-power, and becoming one of the wealthiest countries in the world were'nt we? What the hell kind of statement was THAT supposed to be? The U.S. has ALWAYS been on the forefront of science,technology, and just about every other facet of growth! No disrespect to you, but I lived in Canada for 11 years....I'll stay here thanks!

[Marabelle]

Oh my, I don't argue or debate politics or religion. It gets too personal. Nobody is going to switch sides and nobody is going to back down that is if you really did have an opinion; you know. It's like discussing the American Flag or apple pie or your own personal childhood and life. You gotta stand up for something and this is where the rubber meets the road.