Tuning Down {its about time}

[Jana]

I'm with you man, it just didn't sound anything like Journey.

I would have liked to have heard a Journey record with Jeff Scott Soto before I would say he didn't deliver the goods.

Soto and Journey get spared the ridicule that an album with him would have surely brought, and he was martyred with the way his dismissal went down. His fans get the benefit of arguing that the album wouldn't have failed (which it sure would have...the guy isn't Journey material) and Journey's members and management look like the bad guys. This guy got a great deal.

Ditto. Great on his own stuff, but not a great fit for Journey.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Soto and Journey get spared the ridicule that an album with him would have surely brought, and he was martyred with the way his dismissal went down.

Disagree.
Schon/Soto collabs like 'Coming Home' and 'Believe in Me' sound very much like old school Journey, while also offering something modern to the legacy.
Also, unlike Arnel, JSS proved he could whip up a mean lyric.
Neal and JSS wrote more music together in two weeks for Sirkus, then the Augeri-era did over the span of a decade.
'Revelation' is Journey's strongest album in years, but let's not kid ourselves, it's a crass cynical attempt to sound exactly like 1981.
Never thought I'd someday use the terms "forward thinking" and "ambitious" to describe TBF and Arrival, but that's where we are...

[journey361]

You can tune a piano, but you can't tune down any more steps Neil.

[stevew2]

Yeah, I can't stand Arnel's version of "Faith in the Heartland."

I think re-recording the song was a mistake, because the new one just didn't measure up. It's not AP's fault, but I found the pace to drag a bit, and the instrumental section at the end was truncated and gutted of all the things I loved about the original (like Neal's killer feedback which was so present, and Dean's pounding drums). Adding keys over all that made it a jumbled sonic mess, with nothing standing out. I can tolerate the song up until the instrumental section, but it's just not the same -- that was Steve A's song, and his version kicks A.

For people who have only heard the Revelation version, I can understand if they'd be partial to it against the original, but to me there is just no comparison. I tried to find copies of Generations in Cali and Manila to play for people who hadn't heard it, but couldn't find it (I finally did in Cali but it was too late). Even went looking for a copy of Journey's Greatest Hits with Steve Perry to give to a friend there. I've been hoping to widen the perspective for those whose experience with the band started only with Revelation, or who missed the Augeri era. I just think it's great to have a well-rounded perspective, and it also should result in more appreciation for ALL the singers and the legacy that AP is carrying on these days. That's good for everyone.

I agree. Faith in the Heartland shouldn't have been re-recorded. Why the producer preferred it this way, I don't know.

Rip, you can play it and you will not get the vast majority of Arnel's fans to think it's better. As far as widening the perspective of new fans, for the most part that is not going to happen. Most have no interest in owning a Journey CD without Arnel's vocals. In fact, I've been told pointblank after they named songs they would like him to sing, why not buy the CDs, and was told they're not interested without Arnel. I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one.

Meh, I don't like either version. But my problem with the song is the lyrics, rather than either of its singers. They just don't work for me, but, if the song is appealing to you all, that's ok, too.

I never let bad lyrics ruin a good song for me, but I will let bad music/performance ruin good lyrics. Guess that's why I'm not into Dylan too much. That said, lyrics are never exactly Journey's trump card. What's so much worse about FiTH?

Dylan is one of those singers I just never got into. I just can't see the appeal there.

Dylan sucks my nuts as a performer,his song writing skills are great. As far as Faith, they did it either to give the last kick in the balls to Steve A, or faga ran out of shit to write,or both. It didnt belong on Revelations.I skip it and spit every time it comes up on the cd

Okay so now friga is faga? LOL

he always was, i just didnt say it

He told me to tell you this; I get more ass than you....and it's not "man ass" like you, son.

Did he tell you this when you gals were having phone sex?

[FishinMagician]

You can tune a piano, but you can't tune down any more steps Neil.

huh