Senator Ted Kennedy dies

by **Blueskies** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:41 am

Enigma869 wrote:It's sort of ironic that politics (The Kennedy's family business) is the impetus that allows for all of this hate. As I said previously, I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER begin to defend Ted Kennedy's actions that caused the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. His actions that caused her death were inexcusable. His reaction to the event was disgusting. He penalty for causing the death of another human being was an insult to what the word justice means.

Having said all of that, I can't believe that even the buffoons on this forum aren't aware of the significance of Ted Kennedy. I am certain (partisan politics aside) that American History will view him as the most significant legistlator, EVER! He has over 2500 bills with his name on them and over 300 laws with his name on them. He is THE REASON that disabled Americans have access in this country, period. He is THE REASON you get to cast your vote at 18 and not 21! He was a huge champion of civil rights. He supported gay rights more than 25 years ago...long before anyone even thought of being so bold to speak out for equal treatment! While many on this board have an elitist arrogance that they're the smartest fucks on the planet, their moronic statements bely that fact. I'm honestly not trying to convert ANYONE to like Ted Kennedy, because I honestly don't give a fuck who likes the guy or not. I just think spewing this much hatred for ANY human being, before the body is cold, is completely out of line.

My final point is this...I've already capitulated on the fact that the event at Chappaquiddick was HORRIFFIC and my heart breaks for the family of Mary Jo Kopechne. I'm certain that her family has never gotten over the loss of a young 28 year old woman, who had her entire life in front of her, and it was snuffed out because Kennedy couldn't put the bottle down! Chappaquiddick is THE REASON that Kennedy didn't ascend to the presidency and had zero shot of that ever happening. That said, I still believe that he did a whole lot of good for many people in this country and we would all do well to do one 100th of the work he did, on behalf of the American people! My experience in life tells me that EVERY human being is flawed. I realize that not all of us is flawed to the point that we've caused the death of another human. I also don't think that one can ever really atone for the loss of another human life. I just don't think the work he did over almost 50 years is rendered insignificant because of a horrendous error in judgment!

by **strangegrey** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:49 am

Enigma869 wrote:It's sort of ironic that politics (The Kennedy's family business) is the impetus that allows for all of this hate. As I said previously, I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER begin to defend Ted Kennedy's actions that caused the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. His actions that caused her death were inexcusable. His reaction to the event was disgusting. He penalty for causing the death of another human being was an insult to what the word justice means.

Having said all of that, I can't believe that even the buffoons on this forum aren't aware of the significance of Ted Kennedy. {UGH---SNIP}

I think you miss the fact that had Fat Teddie actually received the justice his family expertly avoided for him as a result of him killing MJ....he would have never been 'significant' in anyone's eyes. As of now, he's only significant in the eyes of people that don't have a problem with government-run (into the ground) health care, stripped freedoms (except for that catch-all 1st so douchebags (even some here) can burn their flags :roll:

) and blistering tax increases. Granted, 50% of this country seems to be ok with such lunacy...so I guess he's significant to them.

To me, Fat Teddie is just another drunk that stumbled through life on a constant pass due to his political connections (or those of his family). I don't have sympathy for people like that.....

by **Tito** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:56 am

I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

by **PDiddy75** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:58 am

Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

OUCH Tito...go gently now...gently... :lol:

by **Blueskies** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:08 am

Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

People from around the world read here and you as well as some others in what they have said in this thread are an embarrassment to the country. What is your legacy going to be? Making a complete ass out of yourself consistantly on the internet? Way to go Tito.

by **Lula** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:19 am

Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

what kind of a person disagrees with equal access and civil rights, rights for americans with disabilities, health care for children? i don't think it's a good person and i don't think your hero jon cain would agree with your opinion that senator kennedy ruined this country. shame on you.

by **Tito** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:05 am

Lula wrote:
Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

what kind of a person disagrees with equal access and civil rights, rights for americans with disabilities, health care for children? i don't think it's a good person and i don't think your hero jon cain would agree with your opinion that senator kennedy ruined this country. shame on you.

First of all, for people like yourself to totally dismiss his actions at Chap'dick is totally disgusting in my opinion. That tells a lot about a person (I'm talking about Kennedy and not you). I highly doubt that was his only wrong doing in his life...he just (eventually) got caught. You think if that car/body was never found or it couldn't have been traced back to him, he would've eventually volunteered information on what happened? My ass. The man was a scum bag (not just limited to Chap'dick), a drunk, a prick, and didn't belong in politics. In fairness, 99.9% of politicans fit that mold of scumbag. No politician should be in office for 40+ years also.

As far as civil rights it is unconstitutional in my opinion. I believe in individual rights. Excluding VA, I don't believe in government run health care, and his biggest clusterfuck was his immigration law in 1965. So, fuck this guy.

by **Jana** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:16 am

Lula wrote:
Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

what kind of a person disagrees with equal access and civil rights, rights for americans with disabilities, health care for children? i don't think it's a good person and i don't think your hero jon cain would agree with your opinion that senator kennedy ruined this country. shame on you.

Tito has no shame.

by **Lula** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:25 am

tito, you're a little late to the party. i made it clear in the beginning that i did not excuse his actions that caused the death of mary jo. individual rights for everyone?

by **Enigma869** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:36 am

Tito wrote:
As far as civil rights it is unconstitutional in my opinion. I believe in individual rights. Excluding VA, I don't believe in government run health care, and his biggest clusterfuck was his immigration law in 1965. So, fuck this guy.

It is completely, ignorant, scumbags like you that cause embarrassment to this country. You've demonstrated time and again on this forum that you're a racist, ignorant fuckwad. You have some nerve criticizing ANYONE. Go crawl under the fucking rock you belong under!

by **hoagiepete** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:52 am

From one ol' conservative...I don't agree with the bashing during this time of mourning for his family and legions of followers.

He did some bad things, but I think we could say that about everyone (to varying degrees of course). I do hope he repented and reconciled with the Man upstairs. May he rest in peace and his family find solace during this difficult time.

by **Don** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:57 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Tito wrote:
As far as civil rights it is unconstitutional in my opinion. I believe in individual rights. Excluding VA, I don't believe in government run health care, and his biggest clusterfuck was his immigration law in 1965. So, fuck this guy.

It is completely, ignorant, scumbags like you that cause embarrassment to this country. You've demonstrated time and again on this forum that you're a racist, ignorant fuckwad. You have some nerve criticizing ANYONE. Go crawl under the fucking rock you belong under!

by **Enigma869** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:57 am

hoagiepete wrote:From one ol' conservative...I don't agree with the bashing during this time of mourning for his family and legions of followers.

He did some bad things, but I think we could say that about everyone (to varying degrees of course). I do hope he repented and reconciled with the Man upstairs. May he rest in peace and his family find solace during this difficult time.

Thanks for exhibiting something that has been almost non-existent in this thread, Pete...CLASS! People can't seem to put their agenda on hold for even 30 seconds and show just an ounce of respect. Instead, they use this forum to talk about why Kennedy only got where he got because of his old man. Hmmmmmm...and W. didn't? Give me a break with this stupid shit! Thanks again for injecting some sanity and class into the discussion. I know that anyone who describes themselves as "conservative" didn't agree with Kennedy on ANYTHING, so it's refreshing to see someone finally put politics on hold for 30 seconds!

by **Enigma869** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:21 am

Fact Finder wrote:You my friend are the idiot. There is Political Etiquette in Washington and it is programmed to people just like yourself. Then there is the Real World, which I guess is tailored towards people like myself....

Listen you fucking blowhard...Anytime you'd like to compare fucking SAT scores or college G.P.A., let me know. You're not half as fucking smart as you think you are. You don't contribute a single fucking thing to this board and never have. Every one of your mindless fucking posts involve you copying and pasting mindless babbling from various websites that you visit. It doesn't take an ounce of intellect to do what you do. Get back to me when you're able to express a thought that doesn't involve you copying yet another 25 year old news story that nobody gives a fuck about! Moron!

by **Blueskies** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:25 am

hoagiepete wrote:From one ol' conservative...I don't agree with the bashing during this time of mourning for his family and legions of followers.

He did some bad things, but I think we could say that about everyone (to varying degrees of course). I do hope he repented and reconciled with the Man upstairs. May he rest in peace and his family find solace during this difficult time.

Thats for speaking up and not letting the radical right represent all conservative's views. :wink:

by **Babyblue** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:53 am

Here we go again but wait it never ended. Get over it and let it drop will you? The man is no longer here with us.He is now with his family that love and missed him.He has an 81 year old sister left here.Do you want to start on her next? :twisted:

by **yulog** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:56 am

Blueskies wrote:
Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

People from around the world read here and you as well as some others in what they have said in this thread are an embarrassment to the country. What is your legacy going to be? Making a complete ass out of yourself consistantly on the internet? Way to go Tito.

Thats just hysterical coming from you Philly :roll:

by **Babyblue** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:01 am

Tito wrote:
Lula wrote:
Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

what kind of a person disagrees with equal access and civil rights, rights for americans with disabilities, health care for children? i don't think it's a good person and i don't think your hero jon cain would agree with your opinion that senator kennedy ruined this country. shame on you.

First of all, for people like yourself to totally dismiss his actions at Chap'dick is totally disgusting in my opinion. That tells a lot about a person (I'm talking about Kennedy and not you). I highly doubt that was his only wrong doing in his life...he just (eventually) got caught. You think if that car/body was never found or it couldn't have been traced back to him, he would've eventually volunteered information on what happened? My ass. The man was a scum bag (not just limited to Chap'dick), a drunk, a prick, and didn't belong in politics. In fairness, 99.9% of politicans fit that mold of scumbag. No politician should be in office for 40+ years also.

As far as civil rights it is unconstitutional in my opinion. I believe in individual rights. Excluding VA, I don't believe in government run health care, and his biggest clusterfuck was his immigration law in 1965. So, fuck this guy.

What a package you are.

by **Blueskies** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:14 am

FactFinder... you are bringing in obviously biased writings from the headline which doesn't make it totally factual.
We are all aware of the story but he wasn't charged with homicide.....you can argue that he should have been but he wasn't. You were also not there and are not bringing in anything that was written from an eyewitness or the investigators of the scene.
Do I think he was drunk off his ass, wasn't thinking rationally and panicked? Yes. I have to allow that there is also the possibility that initially he made an attempt to save her but couldn't and thought there was no chance of her survival and then ran.
Since there were no eye witnesses no one knows for sure unless he confided in someone. Maybe he was so drunk and panicked even he didn't have a clear memory of that night.

It happened. He wasn't charged with her death. I feel he tried to atone for his actions by doing good works in the way he saw them and knew how.
Now, if there is judgement after death he is there to face it. The man made mistakes in life....and no one is condoning or excusing that...but he also did a lot of right....helping many people. As a few others have said...regardless of how you and some others feel about someone you didn't know personally at least some amount of deference should have been shown out of respect for those who mourn his passing even if you have no respect for him. The partisan politics could have and should have been suspended at least for a few days...even better until after the funeral.

by **Andrew** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:17 am

Tito wrote:I understand the significance of Ted Kennedy's legacy. His legacy is he ruined the country. Too bad this didn't happen 45 years ago.

You are a fair dinkum idiot.

by **Andrew** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:18 am

Enigma869 wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:From one ol' conservative...I don't agree with the bashing during this time of mourning for his family and legions of followers.

He did some bad things, but I think we could say that about everyone (to varying degrees of course). I do hope he repented and reconciled with the Man upstairs. May he rest in peace and his family find solace during this difficult time.

Thanks for exhibiting something that has been almost non-existent in this thread, Pete...CLASS! People can't seem to put their agenda on hold for even 30 seconds and show just an ounce of respect. Instead, they use this forum to talk about why Kennedy only got where he got because of his old man. Hmmmmmm...and W. didn't? Give me a break with this stupid shit! Thanks again for injecting some sanity and class into the discussion. I know that anyone who describes themselves as "conservative" didn't agree with Kennedy on ANYTHING, so it's refreshing to see someone finally put politics on hold for 30 seconds!

AMEN!

MR

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