Perry wishes the band well!

[Lula]

steve perry is sincere.

[parfait]

parfait wrote:

Geez, you need to calm the fuck down.

You need to get a fucking clue!


parfait wrote:
It wasn't Perry who made Journey

As far as I'm concerned, his voice is THE REASON that anyone knows the name Journey, period, end of story!


parfait wrote:
If Herbie hadn't given Perry a chance, he would still be working on his step fathers turkey ranch

Right, and I'd still have my paper route if I didn't decide to go to college and get an education. You're just another putz who comes onto this board and regurgitates the same shit you hear others say on here. Do yourself a favor and listen to Perry's demo tape. I think you'll be a bit surprised as you're listening that the sound you're listening to is the sound that "Journey" became famous for, and Schon and Cain weren't remotely involved with Perry's demo tape!



parfait wrote:
face it, he couldn't make it alone.

Maybe, maybe not. What I do know is that the guys calling themselves "Journey" had four long years before Perry got there to "make it alone", and they failed, MISERABLY! What I also know is that Perry as a solo artist had success and sold albums without the Journey name on the album!



parfait wrote:
Neal and Cain doesn't have to be grateful for whatever Perry did.

Doesn't have to be grateful? Your high school called and are seeking that diploma they awarded you back


parfait wrote:
and still milk the shit out of Journey to this day?!

Are you fucking stoned? Perry is the guy "milking" Journey? WOW! You really need to work on getting some fucking brain cells connected! I'm fairly certain that the only "milking" of Journey that has occurred has been fully orchestrated by Neal "The Douche" Schon!

okay, I get it - you're an angry guy. I don't if it was the mac and cheese you ate, or if you just had a bad day at some random corporate office, but you really need to relax. Anyways, you completely disregard the other part of my reply, about perry holding Journey on hold over 10 years, and when he finally wanted to join in on the action ( maybe because he didn't want Chalfant to take it place, i dunno) he purposely faked an injury as Herbie put it, and thus Cain and Neal lost millions as there was no tour. And you seem to turn a blind eye to the fact that Journey is not a one man band - it wasn't Perry alone that made Journey, it was also Neal, Cain and Rollie.

And sure Perry had ONE successful album, and Street Talk sure is a pretty good album, but that was with the help of both Goodrum and Herbert, and that was just after Escape and Frontiers - geez, how could it not be a success with that kind of help? Now, what happened when Perry tried to do it on he's own with FTLOSM, without any kind of help he had with Street Talk? It flunked, big time - and no wonder since most of the songs are piss poor, even though he sounded really good on most of 'em.

And he wouldn't most likely work on his step dad's turkey farm, but the fact is that NO ONE wanted him - Perry says so himself in the VH1 documentary. Not one manager or producer didn't care for him, and without Herbie he wouldn't make it in the industry at that time. Sure, he could hit it of with a couple of successful saccharine filled singles one time or the other, but not like the way he did in Journey. Journey was the biggest thing in the states under Herbie's managing, and what happens when Perry takes control? Sales goes down and soon after Journey's no more for almost 10 years!

Neal and Cain is the sole reason that people get to hear fresh Journey music, DVD's and concerts around the globe. I hate how J-boyzz treats their singers and occasionally their fans, but that doesn't take away that they are the two keeping Journey from being some forgotten 80's band - they atleast try to keep it current, and they have been damn successful as of late. Now, what does Perry do? He sits isolated in his litterbox, combing his hear.

[Author2]

The guy stole years of peoples' careers and broke up lineups. There's nothing for him to be bitter about. Nobody did anything to him!! Your logic is severely fucked up. It's like a rapist wishing his victim "good luck with the rest of your life" and someone calling him classy! He raped their careers and took from them one of very few things that you can't get back...time.

I'd agree with you on this, but he did nothing to damage their "Bad English" career did he?

Schon was on his way to having Journey being dropped because they werent selling in the 70's before Perry. If you look at it that way, Schon should be grateful for Perry extending Journey another 10 (20 years if you want to count TBF)

It's a 2-way street. Perry was "plucked" from a turkey farm by Herbie, someone that believed in him, when he had stopped believing in himself. No amount of success ever makes it excusable to do what he did.

Amen.

Don't think there was any deep down affection due to Perry losing a friend. Herbie believed in the almighty dollar ("unabashed capitalist" Is that what he called himself?). The guy that wanted to get rid of Robert F. and sneaked in Perry singing while touring. If Perry had not worked out he probably would have been out the door the same way. And by the way, Herbie refers to Neal as being like a son, but what did Neal do when Neal, Cain and Perry agreed to let Herbie go? Herbie helped Neal get started. I agree, "it's a 2-way street."

[NoMoreTails]

Yeah right....I'd rather get a sincere "fuck you" than a phony PR-ish statement.

[artist4perry]

Ah, GEEz.............Perry says something nice to the band, what do people do? Analyze his motives. Pretend they can see his thoughts, and intents. Why can't people just say, great article on the band, nice statement by Perry. Sweet and Simple, to the point. As my Momma always says.........use the KISS aproach.......Keep It Simple Stupid. LOL! Not intended at anyone so don't get your panties in a bunch. But really, can you read the guys mind? No. And the Band had a great interview. Let it be a win/ win you half full glass people.........Pessimists...........brother!

[artist4perry]

[steveo777]

I don't even know why this was thread worthy. It's clear to me Oprah's people probably sought comment and SP or his publicist rendered a very simple and benign statement. Nothing more / nothing less. There is no fucking way SP sought Oprah out once he heard she was having them as guests. He doesn't need to do this.

[Author2]

If Perry goes on Oprah after he comes out with his new CD I am most definitely going to be tuned in to that b/c I wanna see just how much credit & face time he gives to Neal & company.

You're a fucking moron! There is sooooo much wrong with this post but you're too stupid for me to even rip your post apart!

Geez, you need to calm the fuck down. It wasn't Perry who made Journey, it was Perry, Cain and Neal. If Herbie hadn't given Perry a chance, he would still be working on his step fathers turkey ranch - face it, he couldn't make it alone. Neal and Cain doesn't have to be grateful for whatever Perry did. He fucked their career in '96, and partly in 86. Nostrildanmus is the best vocalist ever, without a doubt, but he's also a whiny and controlling little man. I'd much prefer Neal's straight forward approach to stuff than Perry's "respectfull" approach. Really, how respectfull is it do hold of your "brothers" career by fucking 10 years, while hiking around in Hawaii and combing your hair - and still milk the shit out of Journey to this day?!

Some of you loons really need to change your panties and start looking at things objectively.

What brothers? Perry toured tremendously from 78-83? and they did not give one iota about the damage to his cords. He never put a gun to their heads or file any court actions to hold them. Don't blame him if $ signs in their eyes blinded them to reality. Like I said before Herbie did not give him a chance out of affection. Robert F. was rooted out and Perry would have been as well by the self-proclaimed "unabashed capitalist", Herbie, if Perry had not delivered, but then Herbie was with Journey from 73-77 so he and Journey would have been kicked out too for non-deliver. By the way, did Perry's second album do better than anything solo Schon or Cain did? How did Jon's cover of his faithfully do? Could Schon or Cain make it alone? Calling Perry by the Nos... is down right disrespectful to him.

[Enigma869]

By the way, did Perry's second album do better than anything solo Schon or Cain did?

Um...YES! People don't even know who the two douches are!

How did Jon's cover of his faithfully do?

You can't even find that fucking abortion on youtube. As someone who has listened to it....Fucking YUCK! It's shows for the 1000th time that writing the lyrics isn't enough. You need a voice to make the song and bring it to life. There aren't words to describe just how HORRID Cain's version of "Faithfully" is! Listening to it made my fucking ears bleed

Could Schon or Cain make it alone?

NO, and they both know it!

[strangegrey]

It was a joke, bad. The intent was clear? You really think SteveO was trying to make people believe that Perry said that...

I saw an arneliot trying to prop up his golden messiah with bullshit...nothing more nothing less. Andrew clearly saw bullshit as well, or else he wouldn't have closed the thread. If the intent of a joke was clear, I feel reasonably confident that Andrew would have been happy to watch it play out to cultivate a few well-earned laughs..

SteveO wasn't trying to make people believe that Perry said that. He was trying to validate his messiah because he doesn't like the fact that a large percentage of people here don't buy the current incarnation as anything other than a fucking tribute band with a hired thug earning a stipend. See.....real Journey fans have followed this band longer than Arneliots have been following this band, by a factor of 10-15 TIMES!! They won't buy the bullshit...

...but an arneliot will go to great lengths to make him/herself feel better about the bullshit he/she tells himself....

[Michigan Girl]

You can't even find that fucking abortion on youtube. As someone who has listened to it....Fucking YUCK! It's shows for the 1000th time that writing the lyrics isn't enough. You need a voice to make the song and bring it to life. There aren't words to describe just how HORRID Cain's version of "Faithfully" is! Listening to it made my fucking ears bleed

I NEVER grow tired of hearing your opinion of Cain's version of Faithfully!!! Priceless!!!

[Enigma869]

I NEVER grow tired of hearing your opinion of Cain's version of Faithfully!!! Priceless!!!

What can I say MG...I'm a passionate guy about how much I think Cain sucks as a singer! If you could have only seen my face when I actually listened to that shit. I couldn't believe that such a signature song for Journey could sound as awful as it sounded. All kidding aside, it's pretty fucking bad and whomever told Friga that he should be singing should have the shit slapped out of them

[Jana]

It was a joke, bad. The intent was clear? You really think SteveO was trying to make people believe that Perry said that...

I saw an arneliot trying to prop up his golden messiah with bullshit...nothing more nothing less. Andrew clearly saw bullshit as well, or else he wouldn't have closed the thread. If the intent of a joke was clear, I feel reasonably confident that Andrew would have been happy to watch it play out to cultivate a few well-earned laughs..

SteveO wasn't trying to make people believe that Perry said that. He was trying to validate his messiah because he doesn't like the fact that a large percentage of people here don't buy the current incarnation as anything other than a fucking tribute band with a hired thug earning a stipend. See.....real Journey fans have followed this band longer than Arneliots have been following this band, by a factor of 10-15 TIMES!! They won't buy the bullshit...

...but an arneliot will go to great lengths to make him/herself feel better about the bullshit he/she tells himself....

Well, I just saw SteveO, which is not uncommon, being an asshole and egging on the MR Perry Loons. But he hasn't cornered the market on being an asshole on MR and making obnoxious statements.

[steveo777]

It was a joke, bad. The intent was clear? You really think SteveO was trying to make people believe that Perry said that...

I saw an arneliot trying to prop up his golden messiah with bullshit...nothing more nothing less. Andrew clearly saw bullshit as well, or else he wouldn't have closed the thread. If the intent of a joke was clear, I feel reasonably confident that Andrew would have been happy to watch it play out to cultivate a few well-earned laughs..

SteveO wasn't trying to make people believe that Perry said that. He was trying to validate his messiah because he doesn't like the fact that a large percentage of people here don't buy the current incarnation as anything other than a fucking tribute band with a hired thug earning a stipend. See.....real Journey fans have followed this band longer than Arneliots have been following this band, by a factor of 10-15 TIMES!! They won't buy the bullshit...

...but an arneliot will go to great lengths to make him/herself feel better about the bullshit he/she tells himself....

Well, I just saw SteveO, which is not uncommon, being an asshole and egging on the MR Perry Loons. But he hasn't cornered the market on being an asshole on MR and making obnoxious statements.

Gee thanks Jana

[kgdjpubs]

By the way, did Perry's second album do better than anything solo Schon or Cain did?

Um...YES! People don't even know who the two douches are!

Sure it sold better. You're talking about a pop rock album by a known singer versus jazz or something that is NOT pop by an unknown singer. You're using a flawed comparison, at best.

Using something like Bad English (which had both Schon and Cain in it) would be a better comparison--which had about equal success compared to Perry's solo career.

[RocknRoll]

Yeah right....I'd rather get a sincere "fuck you" than a phony PR-ish statement.

I agree. I'll take a "fuck 'em" remark from the heart when referring to the fact that an old friend/bandmate refused to even give him a phone number.

Perry's comments are always well throught out and structured to make hom look good. Otherwise, he has nothing else to say.

[stevew2]

Ah, GEEz.............Perry says something nice to the band, what do people do? Analyze his motives. Pretend they can see his thoughts, and intents. Why can't people just say, great article on the band, nice statement by Perry. Sweet and Simple, to the point. As my Momma always says.........use the KISS aproach.......Keep It Simple Stupid. LOL! Not intended at anyone so don't get your panties in a bunch. But really, can you read the guys mind? No. And the Band had a great interview. Let it be a win/ win you half full glass people.........Pessimists...........brother!

hey At, i gave my cats a flea bath, they hate my ass, im afraid to go to sleep

[The Sushi Hunter]

Too much micro-analysis going on with this. I just save myself from a lot of headache by accepting it as it is. SP wishes the band well, nothing more....nothing less. Afterall, what's wrong with that anyways?

[JasonD]

hey At, i gave my cats a flea bath, they hate my ass, im afraid to go to sleep

Forget that flea bath stuff, Steve. Get this stuff instead. It works wonderful! Carl & the misses will love you for it. Just one treatment & the fleas will be gone for good. Ignore the directions that tell you to use it one-a-month. One application will last you about 6 months. It's kinda expensive but well worth the cost considering you'll only have to buy it once or twice a year.




(It's 3:00 a.m. & I can't freakin' sleep.)

[stevew2]

hey At, i gave my cats a flea bath, they hate my ass, im afraid to go to sleep

Forget that flea bath stuff, Steve. Get this stuff instead. It works wonderful! Carl & the misses will love you for it. Just one treatment & the fleas will be gone for good. Ignore the directions that tell you to use it one-a-month. One application will last you about 6 months. It's kinda expensive but well worth the cost considering you'll only have to buy it once or twice a year.




(It's 3:00 a.m. & I can't freakin' sleep.)

i ll rub that shit on there back after i kill all the fucken fleas i didnt have a problem till i got the new cat

[portland]

It was a joke, bad. The intent was clear? You really think SteveO was trying to make people believe that Perry said that...

I saw an arneliot trying to prop up his golden messiah with bullshit...nothing more nothing less. Andrew clearly saw bullshit as well, or else he wouldn't have closed the thread. If the intent of a joke was clear, I feel reasonably confident that Andrew would have been happy to watch it play out to cultivate a few well-earned laughs..

SteveO wasn't trying to make people believe that Perry said that. He was trying to validate his messiah because he doesn't like the fact that a large percentage of people here don't buy the current incarnation as anything other than a fucking tribute band with a hired thug earning a stipend. See.....real Journey fans have followed this band longer than Arneliots have been following this band, by a factor of 10-15 TIMES!! They won't buy the bullshit...

...but an arneliot will go to great lengths to make him/herself feel better about the bullshit he/she tells himself....

Well, I just saw SteveO, which is not uncommon, being an asshole and egging on the MR Perry Loons. But he hasn't cornered the market on being an asshole on MR and making obnoxious statements.

Gee thanks Jana

Well Jana that was well said my friend!!!

[Rip Rokken]

Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

Not sure that's best or even a fair way to introduce someone to Arnel, lol. Why not play a new song from Revelation? My wife loves that disc, as does my mother who was barely a casual Journey fan. My mom had told me several times how much she loves listening to Arnel sing, and that's not from me pushing him to her - it's strictly from hearing the new songs on the radio or seeing him on TV.

[strangegrey]

Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

Not sure that's best or even a fair way to introduce someone to Arnel, lol. Why not play a new song from Revelation? My wife loves that disc, as does my mother who was barely a casual Journey fan. My mom had told me several times how much she loves listening to Arnel sing, and that's not from me pushing him to her - it's strictly from hearing the new songs on the radio or seeing him on TV.

I did...Rip. I played her my favorite track off of the album, Change For The Better. She went "I can see why you like it" meaning she didn't dig the song but understood my attraction to it. When we got to Faith in the heartland, she goes 'Oh no, they retread an augeri song too? I Like the augeri version better"

But that's just it.....Revelation without the retreads (or the redone generation song) would be judged on itself. without comparison.

That's my whole point...the retreads were such a dismal mistake to anyone that would put disc 2 in...because I don't know a soal on earth except for maybe Chubby that wouldn't listen to Disc 2 and then pop in GH to make direct comparisons.

When someone's forced to directly compare Arnel to Steve Perry in his prime, it's an epic fail for people 9 times out of 10.

[bluejeangirl76]

Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

Not sure that's best or even a fair way to introduce someone to Arnel, lol. Why not play a new song from Revelation?

Why isn't it fair? It's how most of us were introduced to him... the youtube videos and that first concert that was streamed. Hell, that's how JOURNEY was introduced to him. We didn't have Revelation available at the time and had to go by his performance of the existing material, so, it's completely fair.

[strangegrey]

Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

Not sure that's best or even a fair way to introduce someone to Arnel, lol. Why not play a new song from Revelation?

Why isn't it fair? It's how most of us were introduced to him... the youtube videos and that first concert that was streamed. Hell, that's how JOURNEY was introduced to him. We didn't have Revelation available at the time and had to go by his performance of the existing material, so, it's completely fair.

Not only that....but if he's good enough, he should be able to stand up to any scrutiny, in any way directed towards him. No one looked at Sammy when he entered Van Halen and said "He can't sing Jump better than Dave"...


Plus, I'll add....Journey ASKED for this kind of scrutiny. They released the retreads. By saying "wait, it's not a fair wait to introduce him" is kinda rediculous, given the fact that by releasing a disc of rerecorded tracks (which should be judged JUST AS MUCH as revelation should be, since it's counted just as much according to the RIAA) they are litterally saying to the public..."pop in both discs and do the pepsi challenge"

[portland]

Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

Not sure that's best or even a fair way to introduce someone to Arnel, lol. Why not play a new song from Revelation?

Why isn't it fair? It's how most of us were introduced to him... the youtube videos and that first concert that was streamed. Hell, that's how JOURNEY was introduced to him. We didn't have Revelation available at the time and had to go by his performance of the existing material, so, it's completely fair.

Not only that....but if he's good enough, he should be able to stand up to any scrutiny, in any way directed towards him. No one looked at Sammy when he entered Van Halen and said "He can't sing Jump better than Dave"...


Plus, I'll add....Journey ASKED for this kind of scrutiny. They released the retreads. By saying "wait, it's not a fair wait to introduce him" is kinda rediculous, given the fact that by releasing a disc of rerecorded tracks (which should be judged JUST AS MUCH as revelation should be, since it's counted just as much according to the RIAA) they are litterally saying to the public..."pop in both discs and do the pepsi challenge"

I agree the re-treads set AP up for the comparison with Perry and that was not a very bright idea...but I also think they were looking to replace Perry in the minds of the new fans not the ones like the people here...as I think that Neal does not really give a shit about the people who think that Perry was the voice of Journey. He was looking for the new fan base... the ones who don't really care about the history of the band...and well they could love the old songs with AP singing them...in Neal's mind anyone can do it .....yeah right

[Jana]

Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

Not sure that's best or even a fair way to introduce someone to Arnel, lol. Why not play a new song from Revelation?

Why isn't it fair? It's how most of us were introduced to him... the youtube videos and that first concert that was streamed. Hell, that's how JOURNEY was introduced to him. We didn't have Revelation available at the time and had to go by his performance of the existing material, so, it's completely fair.

Not only that....but if he's good enough, he should be able to stand up to any scrutiny, in any way directed towards him. No one looked at Sammy when he entered Van Halen and said "He can't sing Jump better than Dave"...


Plus, I'll add....Journey ASKED for this kind of scrutiny. They released the retreads. By saying "wait, it's not a fair wait to introduce him" is kinda rediculous, given the fact that by releasing a disc of rerecorded tracks (which should be judged JUST AS MUCH as revelation should be, since it's counted just as much according to the RIAA) they are litterally saying to the public..."pop in both discs and do the pepsi challenge"

I agree the re-treads set AP up for the comparison with Perry and that was not a very bright idea...but I also think they were looking to replace Perry in the minds of the new fans not the ones like the people here...as I think that Neal does not really give a shit about the people who think that Perry was the voice of Journey. He was looking for the new fan base... the ones who don't really care about the history of the band...and well they could love the old songs with AP singing them...in Neal's mind anyone can do it .....yeah right

[Red13JoePa]

Neal does not really give a shit about the people who think that Perry was the voice of Journey.

Nor should he.

With "fans" like that, who needs detractors? I'd say the MAJORITY of the 800k + who've bought the album do not rant, rave, and rail hysterically against the Disc 2 material like the 10-20 of you online who do this do.
Most don't see it as some kind of space-time continuum ripping, world-altering desecration that the overwrought Journey bashers do, they just see it as new takes on old songs.

[Jana]

Neal does not really give a shit about the people who think that Perry was the voice of Journey.

Nor should he.

With "fans" like that, who needs detractors? I'd say the MAJORITY of the 800k + who've bought the album do not rant, rave, and rail hysterically against the Disc 2 material like the 10-20 of you online who do this do.
Most don't see it as some kind of space-time continuum ripping, world-altering desecration that the overwrought Journey bashers do, they just see it as new takes on old songs.

Most I talked to just thought it was a good idea as a way to introduce him to show he could sing the catalogue. Whether they listened to it or not wasn't the point. Nobody was up in arms about it. And I repeat something I said before, none of the music reviews I read on Revelation ripped them apart for doing it.

Great points as usual, Red13JoePa.

[Melissa]

Neal does not really give a shit about the people who think that Perry was the voice of Journey.

Nor should he.

With "fans" like that, who needs detractors? I'd say the MAJORITY of the 800k + who've bought the album do not rant, rave, and rail hysterically against the Disc 2 material like the 10-20 of you online who do this do.
Most don't see it as some kind of space-time continuum ripping, world-altering desecration that the overwrought Journey bashers do, they just see it as new takes on old songs.

That's exactly how I see them, and would have loved to have heard the same with JSS too. It would even have been neat to me to have heard Hansen on Foreigner's too, just new takes on old songs too, but the remixes are really good to hear too.