Revelation re-enters at #63 on Billboard's Top 200

[Enigma869]

I made valid and factual points in my last reply, and instead of trying to back up your constant tirade of shit, you just bend your boring ass over and lets another tirade rip.

You obviously can't back up your opinions, and that's alright - sure makes it alot easier for me. But it makes you, and listen up, look like a bitch. Back it up, or don't say anything at all. It's as simple as that man (?)!

Listen Frenchie Douche Boy...I've made many valid and cogent points on MR over the years while you were jerking off to Carla Bruni. Fuck you and fuck that shithole of a country you live in!

[fredinator]

When and why did you turn into such a junkyard dog? It seemed like you used to have a kind of humor about your posts that is gone now...

[Enigma869]

When and why did you turn into such a junkyard dog? It seemed like you used to have a kind of humor about your posts that is gone now...

Sorry dude...I'll try to smile a bit more for you. The bottom line is my humor is reserved for people I like and fruity Parfait man isn't at the top of my list! The fact that he's from France allows me to dislike him even more

[Ehwmatt]

When and why did you turn into such a junkyard dog? It seemed like you used to have a kind of humor about your posts that is gone now...

Sorry dude...I'll try to smile a bit more for you. The bottom line is my humor is reserved for people I like and fruity Parfait man isn't at the top of my list! The fact that he's from France allows me to dislike him even more

Dude I'm finding more and more common ground with you lately, lol, fuckin classic

[Onestepper]

Again moron...if you weren't "living in the past", you wouldn't be on a "Journey" forum, fuckface! One other point...If you seriously believe that "Journey" has "moved on", then you're not going to any of their concerts. As far as I can tell, they haven't come close to "moving on". If you truly believe that Perry has been "replaced", then you're not paying attention.

I finally understand what you are, man. Really...

... you're a fucking idiot.

Why don't you for once, instead of just taking bits from my post and rape them to death, try to reply like a frickin' grown up. You know, the last time I checked Journey DID move on from Perry! You remember all the stone cracking right? Newsflash: that was Journey moving on! And again: perry was replaced, with Augeri, Soto and Arnel! Was it a better replacement than the original? Hell no, but Perry has been replaced; several times!

And for good gods sake; Do you really think Journey is better off (from a PR and business standpoint) performing fucking Generations songs, instead of the dirty dozen? It's the dirty dozens that sell, the hits Journey had with Perry, and that's what the fans wants. That's not being a tribute band - that's doing what they have to do to keep going. You're constant shit about tribute band this, and tribute that, just really makes you not only sound like a douche, but a person without any business sense - at all.

So please, I'm tired of seeing the constant golden shower you're giving to everyone that gives just a tiny amount of props to what Journey is doing as of late. you spew out the same shit every time you reply, and why do you keep mentioning Vermont? Had a bad experience with a gloryhole up there, or something?

Let people have their fun, man.

Uhm, we had this discussion last week, and I thought I made it clear. Let me repeat myself for those that didn't get it the three times it was stated. If you are a band playing songs with a lead singer that was not the original lead singer on several hit songs (as well as other members of the band that were not around for the original hits), you will be compared to a tribute band. May not make you feel good. May not even be what you want to tell your friends about, but it is FACT. No one is questioning why a band does that (it's pretty obvious). It doesn't mean the current lead singer sucks apples for lunch. He's just not the original. He would not be in the band if he didn't sound like the original. Thus the connotation that the band is paying tribute to the ORIGINAL.

I hope I've made my self clear this time. Please don't make me repeat myself again.

[Escape81]

COMPARED to, perhaps, but that doesnt mean they ARE. Steve sang more Journey songs on his solo tour than originals.... was he a tribute to Journey??? The rest of the band has a right to play and make money off of songs they wrote as part of a group effort..... but I do believe they should drop LTS and other songs written by just Steve.... then again, Steve sang Faithfully on the For the Love Of Strange Medicine tour so....

[Onestepper]

COMPARED to, perhaps, but that doesnt mean they ARE. Steve sang more Journey songs on his solo tour than originals.... was he a tribute to Journey??? The rest of the band has a right to play and make money off of songs they wrote as part of a group effort..... but I do believe they should drop LTS and other songs written by just Steve.... then again, Steve sang Faithfully on the For the Love Of Strange Medicine tour so....

*Sigh*. We've talked about this too. It applies to all sides..Perry, Journey any other band that fits the model. I still remember the quote from Perry about Lincoln Brewster: "I went out and found a guy who played just like Neal Schon."

Nuff said.

[Escape81]

There's a difference though..... Steve was doing a solo project.... he's EXPECTED to do something different than what he did in Journey (and I think he did, for the most part).... Journey has a style and a "formula" that the majority of fans want to hear. Steve was a huge, huge, huge role in that and the band has to abide by it if they want to keep their fans happy...

[Saint John]

the quote from Perry about Lincoln Brewster: "I went out and found a guy who played just like Neal Schon."

Perry needed fucking Q-Tips if he said that. The guitar playing on the album was heartless and empty. And the concerts lacked Neal's intangible feeling to give the notes "life." I thought Brewster was mediocre.

[parfait]

Again moron...if you weren't "living in the past", you wouldn't be on a "Journey" forum, fuckface! One other point...If you seriously believe that "Journey" has "moved on", then you're not going to any of their concerts. As far as I can tell, they haven't come close to "moving on". If you truly believe that Perry has been "replaced", then you're not paying attention.

I finally understand what you are, man. Really...

... you're a fucking idiot.

Why don't you for once, instead of just taking bits from my post and rape them to death, try to reply like a frickin' grown up. You know, the last time I checked Journey DID move on from Perry! You remember all the stone cracking right? Newsflash: that was Journey moving on! And again: perry was replaced, with Augeri, Soto and Arnel! Was it a better replacement than the original? Hell no, but Perry has been replaced; several times!

And for good gods sake; Do you really think Journey is better off (from a PR and business standpoint) performing fucking Generations songs, instead of the dirty dozen? It's the dirty dozens that sell, the hits Journey had with Perry, and that's what the fans wants. That's not being a tribute band - that's doing what they have to do to keep going. You're constant shit about tribute band this, and tribute that, just really makes you not only sound like a douche, but a person without any business sense - at all.

So please, I'm tired of seeing the constant golden shower you're giving to everyone that gives just a tiny amount of props to what Journey is doing as of late. you spew out the same shit every time you reply, and why do you keep mentioning Vermont? Had a bad experience with a gloryhole up there, or something?

Let people have their fun, man.

Uhm, we had this discussion last week, and I thought I made it clear. Let me repeat myself for those that didn't get it the three times it was stated. If you are a band playing songs with a lead singer that was not the original lead singer on several hit songs (as well as other members of the band that were not around for the original hits), you will be compared to a tribute band. May not make you feel good. May not even be what you want to tell your friends about, but it is FACT. No one is questioning why a band does that (it's pretty obvious). It doesn't mean the current lead singer sucks apples for lunch. He's just not the original. He would not be in the band if he didn't sound like the original. Thus the connotation that the band is paying tribute to the ORIGINAL.

I hope I've made my self clear this time. Please don't make me repeat myself again.

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

If Journey was actually called The Steve Perry Band, sure, THEN Journey would be a tribute band, but what you and rest of the loonies forget, is that Journey is as much Cain and Neal. Perry is the one that chose to leave, he ditched Journey and now you're telling me that Journey should be calling their own band a tribute act? Bullshit.

Journey, as a lot of other bands that were big in the eighties, plays the music the fans want to hear. No one wants to go to a Journey concert because they want to listen to Baby I'm leaving you (just the image of Valory jumping around with a set of maracas makes my stomach turn ) - they want to hear the songs that they recognize, and that's the song Journey made famous with Perry. It's called doing smart business decisions - remember how well the jihad that went down on the Generations tour playing "rarer" songs? Right. The band ain't playing tribute to Nostrildamus - that's idiotic. The band is playing the songs that made them famous and people want to hear!

And why the hell do you think J-boyz have gotten vocalists that sound (a bit) like Nosemort? By your twisted logic, it would be because they wants to play tribute to Perry, right? ... Wrong. Perry happened to be the best male vocalist, ever, and he sang those songs that made Journey famous, so it's fucking natural that the vocalists replacing Perry would sound similar to him, because they have to sing the freakin' songs he did!

Oh, and you made yourself perfectly clear man - it's just that you're really, really, wrong.

[lights1961]

Damn some of this stuff is hilarious to read here in the last few posts.. not sure whether to believe any of it or not thats being said, or if people are just trying to see what kind of rise they can get out of drew or the koolaid drinkers...

[Saint John]

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

If Journey was actually called The Steve Perry Band, sure, THEN Journey would be a tribute band, but what you and rest of the loonies forget, is that Journey is as much Cain and Neal. Perry is the one that chose to leave, he ditched Journey and now you're telling me that Journey should be calling their own band a tribute act? Bullshit.

Journey, as a lot of other bands that were big in the eighties, plays the music the fans want to hear. No one wants to go to a Journey concert because they want to listen to Baby I'm leaving you (just the image of Valory jumping around with a set of maracas makes my stomach turn ) - they want to hear the songs that they recognize, and that's the song Journey made famous with Perry. It's called doing smart business decisions - remember how well the jihad that went down on the Generations tour playing "rarer" songs? Right. The band ain't playing tribute to Nostrildamus - that's idiotic. The band is playing the songs that made them famous and people want to hear!

And why the hell do you think J-boyz have gotten vocalists that sound (a bit) like Nosemort? By your twisted logic, it would be because they wants to play tribute to Perry, right? ... Wrong. Perry happened to be the best male vocalist, ever, and he sang those songs that made Journey famous, so it's fucking natural that the vocalists replacing Perry would sound similar to him, because they have to sing the freakin' songs he did!

Oh, and you made yourself perfectly clear man - it's just that you're really, really, wrong.

Good post and well said. Perry was just an "instrument" that had to be replaced when he sabotaged and bailed. Granted, the vocalist is almost always the most recognizable member and that's why it seems to always carry more weight when he/she is replaced. However, Journey has 60% of the most famous lineup and when Perry toured he had 20% of that very same lineup, but it's the 60% that gets the "tribute" label (except from Onestepper). Seems highly odd and very unfair. Personally, I don't see either as a tribute band/act, but if I had to call one of them such a name it would surely be Perry because he chose to not play with the rest of the band and he had less of the total components that made Journey. One could argue that his voice carried more weight than the rest of the members, but the sun-dried fecal matter that was FTLOSM was a resounding reminder that that simply isn't true.

[steveo777]

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

If Journey was actually called The Steve Perry Band, sure, THEN Journey would be a tribute band, but what you and rest of the loonies forget, is that Journey is as much Cain and Neal. Perry is the one that chose to leave, he ditched Journey and now you're telling me that Journey should be calling their own band a tribute act? Bullshit.

Journey, as a lot of other bands that were big in the eighties, plays the music the fans want to hear. No one wants to go to a Journey concert because they want to listen to Baby I'm leaving you (just the image of Valory jumping around with a set of maracas makes my stomach turn ) - they want to hear the songs that they recognize, and that's the song Journey made famous with Perry. It's called doing smart business decisions - remember how well the jihad that went down on the Generations tour playing "rarer" songs? Right. The band ain't playing tribute to Nostrildamus - that's idiotic. The band is playing the songs that made them famous and people want to hear!

And why the hell do you think J-boyz have gotten vocalists that sound (a bit) like Nosemort? By your twisted logic, it would be because they wants to play tribute to Perry, right? ... Wrong. Perry happened to be the best male vocalist, ever, and he sang those songs that made Journey famous, so it's fucking natural that the vocalists replacing Perry would sound similar to him, because they have to sing the freakin' songs he did!

Oh, and you made yourself perfectly clear man - it's just that you're really, really, wrong.

Good post and well said. Perry was just an "instrument" that had to be replaced when he sabotaged and bailed. Granted, the vocalist is almost always the most recognizable member and that's why it seems to always carry more weight when he/she is replaced. However, Journey has 60% of the most famous lineup and when Perry toured he had 20% of that very same lineup, but it's the 60% that gets the "tribute" label (except from Onestepper). Seems highly odd and very unfair. Personally, I don't see either as a tribute band/act, but if I had to call one of them such a name it would surely be Perry because he chose to not play with the rest of the band and he had less of the total components that made Journey. One could argue that his voice carried more weight than the rest of the members, but the sun-dried fecal matter that was FTLOSM was a resounding reminder that that simply isn't true.

I hold up my big frosty mug of Koolaid and say here here, brotha!!

[RedWingFan]

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

Maybe not, and Queen ridiculously going on without Mercury didn't make "Queen" a tribute band either. Still, no one gave a damn about the craptacular cd or tour that resulted. The same goes with Styx w/o Deyoung. Tribute band or not, it's a far inferior and less marketable product. Period.

[steveo777]

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

Maybe not, and Queen ridiculously going on without Mercury didn't make "Queen" a tribute band either. Still, no one gave a damn about the craptacular cd or tour that resulted. The same goes with Styx w/o Deyoung. Tribute band or not, it's a far inferior and less marketable product. Period.

I don't think Journey, even if they had the original SP lineup, would be doing much more today than the current band has been doing. This kind of music is not what mainstream folks are listening to. The music climate has changed. Even with SP they would be heavilly viewed as a nostalgia act, IMO.

[RedWingFan]

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

Maybe not, and Queen ridiculously going on without Mercury didn't make "Queen" a tribute band either. Still, no one gave a damn about the craptacular cd or tour that resulted. The same goes with Styx w/o Deyoung. Tribute band or not, it's a far inferior and less marketable product. Period.

I don't think Journey, even if they had the original SP lineup, would be doing much more today than the current band has been doing. This kind of music is not what mainstream folks are listening to. The music climate has changed. Even with SP they would be heavilly viewed as a nostalgia act, IMO.

If they'd had Perry and the same cd deal with Revelations it would have sold at least twice as many units and they could have toured alone and sold more tickets!

[Onestepper]

the quote from Perry about Lincoln Brewster: "I went out and found a guy who played just like Neal Schon."

Perry needed fucking Q-Tips if he said that. The guitar playing on the album was heartless and empty. And the concerts lacked Neal's intangible feeling to give the notes "life." I thought Brewster was mediocre.

I thought he was alright. Just passing on what Perry said.

[Onestepper]

Again moron...if you weren't "living in the past", you wouldn't be on a "Journey" forum, fuckface! One other point...If you seriously believe that "Journey" has "moved on", then you're not going to any of their concerts. As far as I can tell, they haven't come close to "moving on". If you truly believe that Perry has been "replaced", then you're not paying attention.

I finally understand what you are, man. Really...

... you're a fucking idiot.

Why don't you for once, instead of just taking bits from my post and rape them to death, try to reply like a frickin' grown up. You know, the last time I checked Journey DID move on from Perry! You remember all the stone cracking right? Newsflash: that was Journey moving on! And again: perry was replaced, with Augeri, Soto and Arnel! Was it a better replacement than the original? Hell no, but Perry has been replaced; several times!

And for good gods sake; Do you really think Journey is better off (from a PR and business standpoint) performing fucking Generations songs, instead of the dirty dozen? It's the dirty dozens that sell, the hits Journey had with Perry, and that's what the fans wants. That's not being a tribute band - that's doing what they have to do to keep going. You're constant shit about tribute band this, and tribute that, just really makes you not only sound like a douche, but a person without any business sense - at all.

So please, I'm tired of seeing the constant golden shower you're giving to everyone that gives just a tiny amount of props to what Journey is doing as of late. you spew out the same shit every time you reply, and why do you keep mentioning Vermont? Had a bad experience with a gloryhole up there, or something?

Let people have their fun, man.

Uhm, we had this discussion last week, and I thought I made it clear. Let me repeat myself for those that didn't get it the three times it was stated. If you are a band playing songs with a lead singer that was not the original lead singer on several hit songs (as well as other members of the band that were not around for the original hits), you will be compared to a tribute band. May not make you feel good. May not even be what you want to tell your friends about, but it is FACT. No one is questioning why a band does that (it's pretty obvious). It doesn't mean the current lead singer sucks apples for lunch. He's just not the original. He would not be in the band if he didn't sound like the original. Thus the connotation that the band is paying tribute to the ORIGINAL.

I hope I've made my self clear this time. Please don't make me repeat myself again.

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

If Journey was actually called The Steve Perry Band, sure, THEN Journey would be a tribute band, but what you and rest of the loonies forget, is that Journey is as much Cain and Neal. Perry is the one that chose to leave, he ditched Journey and now you're telling me that Journey should be calling their own band a tribute act? Bullshit.

Journey, as a lot of other bands that were big in the eighties, plays the music the fans want to hear. No one wants to go to a Journey concert because they want to listen to Baby I'm leaving you (just the image of Valory jumping around with a set of maracas makes my stomach turn ) - they want to hear the songs that they recognize, and that's the song Journey made famous with Perry. It's called doing smart business decisions - remember how well the jihad that went down on the Generations tour playing "rarer" songs? Right. The band ain't playing tribute to Nostrildamus - that's idiotic. The band is playing the songs that made them famous and people want to hear!

And why the hell do you think J-boyz have gotten vocalists that sound (a bit) like Nosemort? By your twisted logic, it would be because they wants to play tribute to Perry, right? ... Wrong. Perry happened to be the best male vocalist, ever, and he sang those songs that made Journey famous, so it's fucking natural that the vocalists replacing Perry would sound similar to him, because they have to sing the freakin' songs he did!

Oh, and you made yourself perfectly clear man - it's just that you're really, really, wrong.

We actually don't disagree on much given what you've written. The difference is you need to scream and shout to make your points, and call people names. It's a difference of opinion. I think they resemble a tribute band, and I've stated why I believe that. RedWing Fan actually stated it really well above. The fact that you violently disagree is fine.

I do though hope that you are able to get your anger management issues under control. You might actually be someone enjoyable to converse with, versus arguing all of the time. Best of luck with that.

[Author2]

Please don't make me repeat myself?! Listen up Sherminator: your logic is shit. Replacing mr. Kittens doesn't make Journey a tribute band!

If Journey was actually called The Steve Perry Band, sure, THEN Journey would be a tribute band, but what you and rest of the loonies forget, is that Journey is as much Cain and Neal. Perry is the one that chose to leave, he ditched Journey and now you're telling me that Journey should be calling their own band a tribute act? Bullshit.

Journey, as a lot of other bands that were big in the eighties, plays the music the fans want to hear. No one wants to go to a Journey concert because they want to listen to Baby I'm leaving you (just the image of Valory jumping around with a set of maracas makes my stomach turn ) - they want to hear the songs that they recognize, and that's the song Journey made famous with Perry. It's called doing smart business decisions - remember how well the jihad that went down on the Generations tour playing "rarer" songs? Right. The band ain't playing tribute to Nostrildamus - that's idiotic. The band is playing the songs that made them famous and people want to hear!

And why the hell do you think J-boyz have gotten vocalists that sound (a bit) like Nosemort? By your twisted logic, it would be because they wants to play tribute to Perry, right? ... Wrong. Perry happened to be the best male vocalist, ever, and he sang those songs that made Journey famous, so it's fucking natural that the vocalists replacing Perry would sound similar to him, because they have to sing the freakin' songs he did!

Oh, and you made yourself perfectly clear man - it's just that you're really, really, wrong.

Good post and well said. Perry was just an "instrument" that had to be replaced when he sabotaged and bailed. Granted, the vocalist is almost always the most recognizable member and that's why it seems to always carry more weight when he/she is replaced. However, Journey has 60% of the most famous lineup and when Perry toured he had 20% of that very same lineup, but it's the 60% that gets the "tribute" label (except from Onestepper). Seems highly odd and very unfair. Personally, I don't see either as a tribute band/act, but if I had to call one of them such a name it would surely be Perry because he chose to not play with the rest of the band and he had less of the total components that made Journey. One could argue that his voice carried more weight than the rest of the members, but the sun-dried fecal matter that was FTLOSM was a resounding reminder that that simply isn't true.

Too bad they did not help him care for that instrument, but chose to tour him down. By the way, did Journey have 100% lineup from 73-77 and was there some sundried fecal during that time and what percentage Journey from 98-2008, and did they prosper? One could argue that Neal's playing carries more weight, but there was a whole lotta fussing when it came to those extended solos. Didn't Neal yell at people to say he was trying to help out his vocalist? Let the record reflect that I do not call them a tribute.

SJ, should Steve Perry ever tour, hopefully they will lock you up and throw away the key.

[Saint John]

Too bad they did not help him care for that instrument, but chose to tour him down.

I've posted Perry's reckless FTLOSM tour dates at the age of 45 far too many times to go looking for it again for a pickle sniffer like you. Look it up and get back to me, dude. Then try and talk about caring for an instrument.

By the way, did Journey have 100% lineup from 73-77 and was there some sundried fecal during that time and what percentage Journey from 98-2008, and did they prosper?

Completely irrelevant to the argument. Here's a hint for when you post stuff ... try and have a fucking point.

SJ, should Steve Perry ever tour, hopefully they will lock you up and throw away the key.

If it's with Journey I'll be there and if it's not I'll be completely indifferent.

[Author2]

Too bad they did not help him care for that instrument, but chose to tour him down.

I've posted Perry's reckless FTLOSM tour dates at the age of 45 far too many times to go looking for it again for a pickle sniffer like you. Look it up and get back to me, dude. Then try and talk about caring for an instrument.

Yeah, you did and I responded about that tour and referenced the biggies from 78-83, huh?

By the way, did Journey have 100% lineup from 73-77 and was there some sundried fecal during that time and what percentage Journey from 98-2008, and did they prosper?

Completely irrelevant to the argument. Here's a hint for when you post stuff ... try and have a fucking point.

Here's a hint if you respond, answer the questions or stop the previous blabbering on and on of Steve Perry. You spoke of FTLOSM "sundried fecal", and it sold over 500,000, but what did Journey 73-77 or Journey 98-2008 that wasn't Perry sell, huh?

SJ, should Steve Perry ever tour, hopefully they will lock you up and throw away the key.

If it's with Journey I'll be there and if it's not I'll be completely indifferent.

Indifferent is like yes/no/maybe so. What's your pick?

[Saint John]

Too bad they did not help him care for that instrument, but chose to tour him down.

I've posted Perry's reckless FTLOSM tour dates at the age of 45 far too many times to go looking for it again for a pickle sniffer like you. Look it up and get back to me, dude. Then try and talk about caring for an instrument.

Yeah, you did and I responded about that tour and referenced the biggies from 78-83, huh?

By the way, did Journey have 100% lineup from 73-77 and was there some sundried fecal during that time and what percentage Journey from 98-2008, and did they prosper?

Completely irrelevant to the argument. Here's a hint for when you post stuff ... try and have a fucking point.

Here's a hint if you respond, answer the questions or stop the previous blabbering on and on of Steve Perry. You spoke of FTLOSM "sundried fecal", and it sold over 500,000, but what did Journey 73-77 or Journey 98-2008 that wasn't Perry sell, huh?

SJ, should Steve Perry ever tour, hopefully they will lock you up and throw away the key.

If it's with Journey I'll be there and if it's not I'll be completely indifferent.

Indifferent is like yes/no/maybe so. What's your pick?

-Steve Perry, to the best of my knowledge, was a grown man during the 1978-1983 touring and never had qualms about the touring schedule. And if he did, he should have put his foot down. From what I've always read he's very proud and how much they toured and how well he/they did, and he should be. That was pretty incredible.

-Journey laid the groundwork and foundation from 1973-1977 with some rigorous touring and established a decent fanbase. As fate would have it, the label wasn't happy enough and Journey found Perry...something that greatly benefited both parties. And Journey indeed flourished from 1998-2008. The Augeri/Pineda years have seen Journey move almost as many albums as they did with Perry (albeit Perry-fronted Journey) in the band because they have brought the music to a whole new generation and continue to do so. How much of that would have happened had they not been around is hard to say, but I bet it wouldn't have been nearly as much.

-And "indifferent" is the same as saying "I don't really give a fuck." Quit making up your own definitions.

[Author2]

Too bad they did not help him care for that instrument, but chose to tour him down.

I've posted Perry's reckless FTLOSM tour dates at the age of 45 far too many times to go looking for it again for a pickle sniffer like you. Look it up and get back to me, dude. Then try and talk about caring for an instrument.

Yeah, you did and I responded about that tour and referenced the biggies from 78-83, huh?

By the way, did Journey have 100% lineup from 73-77 and was there some sundried fecal during that time and what percentage Journey from 98-2008, and did they prosper?

Completely irrelevant to the argument. Here's a hint for when you post stuff ... try and have a fucking point.

Here's a hint if you respond, answer the questions or stop the previous blabbering on and on of Steve Perry. You spoke of FTLOSM "sundried fecal", and it sold over 500,000, but what did Journey 73-77 or Journey 98-2008 that wasn't Perry sell, huh?

SJ, should Steve Perry ever tour, hopefully they will lock you up and throw away the key.

If it's with Journey I'll be there and if it's not I'll be completely indifferent.

Indifferent is like yes/no/maybe so. What's your pick?

-Steve Perry, to the best of my knowledge, was a grown man during the 1978-1983 touring and never had qualms about the touring schedule. And if he did, he should have put his foot down. From what I've always read he's very proud and how much they toured and how well he/they did, and he should be. That was pretty incredible.

-Journey laid the groundwork and foundation from 1973-1977 with some rigorous touring and established a decent fanbase. As fate would have it, the label wasn't happy enough and Journey found Perry...something that greatly benefited both parties. And Journey indeed flourished from 1998-2008. The Augeri/Pineda years have seen Journey move almost as many albums as they did with Perry (albeit Perry-fronted Journey) in the band because they have brought the music to a whole new generation and continue to do so. How much of that would have happened had they not been around is hard to say, but I bet it wouldn't have been nearly as much.

-And "indifferent" is the same as saying "I don't really give a fuck." Quit making up your own definitions.

INDEED, now you're copying my previous post. They all were so why didn't they put their feet down when it came to exile from 87-96 or the dismissal of Smith, Valory or Herbie - about which you keep bashing Steve Perry? Choices made by ALL one way or another. By the way, I think the label wasn't happy because there was no radio play and each album from 73-77 was selling 100,000 plus, and the 40 million plus sold would be predominantly Perry/Journey, with the band's continuing probably helping the sales.

By the way, we still differ on the meaning of "indifferent", but you were a bit more logical in your other words with no Steve Perry bashing, so I'll move on.

Water under the bridge, but wonder: What if Neal (he easedrop I think I read) had called Steve Perry to inform of moving on instead of Jon or both met with Perry like he met with them to inform of his being "toast?"

[Saint John]

Water under the bridge, but wonder: What if Neal (he easedrop I think I read) had called Steve Perry to inform of moving on instead of Jon or both met with Perry like he met with them to inform of his being "toast?"

He didn't even deserve being told. After he toured playing Journey songs without Journey, intentionally sabotaged the Rolie/Chalfant lineup with no intention of ever touring, and played cat and mouse for almost 2 years using hip surgery as a crutch, the only thing he deserved was a pink slip in the mail.

[Jana]

Too bad they did not help him care for that instrument, but chose to tour him down.

I've posted Perry's reckless FTLOSM tour dates at the age of 45 far too many times to go looking for it again for a pickle sniffer like you. Look it up and get back to me, dude. Then try and talk about caring for an instrument.

Yeah, you did and I responded about that tour and referenced the biggies from 78-83, huh?

By the way, did Journey have 100% lineup from 73-77 and was there some sundried fecal during that time and what percentage Journey from 98-2008, and did they prosper?

Completely irrelevant to the argument. Here's a hint for when you post stuff ... try and have a fucking point.

Here's a hint if you respond, answer the questions or stop the previous blabbering on and on of Steve Perry. You spoke of FTLOSM "sundried fecal", and it sold over 500,000, but what did Journey 73-77 or Journey 98-2008 that wasn't Perry sell, huh?

SJ, should Steve Perry ever tour, hopefully they will lock you up and throw away the key.

If it's with Journey I'll be there and if it's not I'll be completely indifferent.

Indifferent is like yes/no/maybe so. What's your pick?

-Steve Perry, to the best of my knowledge, was a grown man during the 1978-1983 touring and never had qualms about the touring schedule. And if he did, he should have put his foot down. From what I've always read he's very proud and how much they toured and how well he/they did, and he should be. That was pretty incredible.

-Journey laid the groundwork and foundation from 1973-1977 with some rigorous touring and established a decent fanbase. As fate would have it, the label wasn't happy enough and Journey found Perry...something that greatly benefited both parties. And Journey indeed flourished from 1998-2008. The Augeri/Pineda years have seen Journey move almost as many albums as they did with Perry (albeit Perry-fronted Journey) in the band because they have brought the music to a whole new generation and continue to do so. How much of that would have happened had they not been around is hard to say, but I bet it wouldn't have been nearly as much.

-And "indifferent" is the same as saying "I don't really give a fuck." Quit making up your own definitions.

INDEED, now you're copying my previous post. They all were so why didn't they put their feet down when it came to exile from 87-96 or the dismissal of Smith, Valory or Herbie - about which you keep bashing Steve Perry? Choices made by ALL one way or another. By the way, I think the label wasn't happy because there was no radio play and each album from 73-77 was selling 100,000 plus, and the 40 million plus sold would be predominantly Perry/Journey, with the band's continuing probably helping the sales.

By the way, we still differ on the meaning of "indifferent", but you were a bit more logical in your other words with no Steve Perry bashing, so I'll move on.

Water under the bridge, but wonder: What if Neal (he easedrop I think I read) had called Steve Perry to inform of moving on instead of Jon or both met with Perry like he met with them to inform of his being "toast?"

Or maybe Perry, since he wanted Steve Smith and Ross Valory (his longtime bandmates) fired during ROR, could have been man enough to do the firing instead of having someone else do it. Round and Round we go.

[Author2]

Too bad they did not help him care for that instrument, but chose to tour him down.

I've posted Perry's reckless FTLOSM tour dates at the age of 45 far too many times to go looking for it again for a pickle sniffer like you. Look it up and get back to me, dude. Then try and talk about caring for an instrument.

Yeah, you did and I responded about that tour and referenced the biggies from 78-83, huh?

By the way, did Journey have 100% lineup from 73-77 and was there some sundried fecal during that time and what percentage Journey from 98-2008, and did they prosper?

Completely irrelevant to the argument. Here's a hint for when you post stuff ... try and have a fucking point.

Here's a hint if you respond, answer the questions or stop the previous blabbering on and on of Steve Perry. You spoke of FTLOSM "sundried fecal", and it sold over 500,000, but what did Journey 73-77 or Journey 98-2008 that wasn't Perry sell, huh?

SJ, should Steve Perry ever tour, hopefully they will lock you up and throw away the key.

If it's with Journey I'll be there and if it's not I'll be completely indifferent.

Indifferent is like yes/no/maybe so. What's your pick?

-Steve Perry, to the best of my knowledge, was a grown man during the 1978-1983 touring and never had qualms about the touring schedule. And if he did, he should have put his foot down. From what I've always read he's very proud and how much they toured and how well he/they did, and he should be. That was pretty incredible.

-Journey laid the groundwork and foundation from 1973-1977 with some rigorous touring and established a decent fanbase. As fate would have it, the label wasn't happy enough and Journey found Perry...something that greatly benefited both parties. And Journey indeed flourished from 1998-2008. The Augeri/Pineda years have seen Journey move almost as many albums as they did with Perry (albeit Perry-fronted Journey) in the band because they have brought the music to a whole new generation and continue to do so. How much of that would have happened had they not been around is hard to say, but I bet it wouldn't have been nearly as much.

-And "indifferent" is the same as saying "I don't really give a fuck." Quit making up your own definitions.

INDEED, now you're copying my previous post. They all were so why didn't they put their feet down when it came to exile from 87-96 or the dismissal of Smith, Valory or Herbie - about which you keep bashing Steve Perry? Choices made by ALL one way or another. By the way, I think the label wasn't happy because there was no radio play and each album from 73-77 was selling 100,000 plus, and the 40 million plus sold would be predominantly Perry/Journey, with the band's continuing probably helping the sales.

By the way, we still differ on the meaning of "indifferent", but you were a bit more logical in your other words with no Steve Perry bashing, so I'll move on.

Water under the bridge, but wonder: What if Neal (he easedrop I think I read) had called Steve Perry to inform of moving on instead of Jon or both met with Perry like he met with them to inform of his being "toast?"

Or maybe Perry, since he wanted Steve Smith and Ross Valory (his longtime bandmates) fired during ROR, could have been man enough to do the firing instead of having someone else do it. Round and Round we go.

Oh, according to SJ he did. Neal's band? Why wasn't Neal and Jon (their longtime bandmates) men enough to say no, especially Neal when it came to Herbie and Valory - together from the beginning? After all Herbie referred to him as a son, huh? Kicked old dad right under the bus without much thought, huh? Check out Steve, Neal and Jon's promotional tour for ROR, Neal must have been mighty happy for I think he stuck his fingers in ears and licked out tongue? So funny. Round and round we go!

[Escape81]

Oh, according to SJ he did. Neal's band? Why wasn't Neal and Jon (their longtime bandmates) men enough to say no, especially Neal when it came to Herbie and Valory - together from the beginning? After all Herbie referred to him as a son, huh? Kicked old dad right under the bus without much thought, huh? Check out Steve, Neal and Jon's promotional tour for ROR, Neal must have been mighty happy for I think he stuck his fingers in ears and licked out tongue? So funny. Round and round we go!

Yeah..... blaming the world for not preventing the Holocaust doesn't absolve Hitler. faulty logic.... Steve P. made a decision he felt was in the band's best interest. Was it? I dont think so.... I love ROR for his vocals, but everything else is subpar compared to their previous and subsequent material..... the sound suffers with the absence of Ross and SS. Neal and Jonathan didn't stop Steve because they gave him the reins. Was it a mistake? Sure. But if you're trying to heap the blame on them, sorry.... not good enough.

[Jana]

Neal has said by then Perry was running the show, and Perry admitted he had to have it, meaning letting them go, and admitted in hindsight a mistake. All was not well. Neal wasn't happy during the making of ROR and has said so in interviews.

[Saint John]

Oh, according to SJ he did. Neal's band? Why wasn't Neal and Jon (their longtime bandmates) men enough to say no, especially Neal when it came to Herbie and Valory - together from the beginning? After all Herbie referred to him as a son, huh? Kicked old dad right under the bus without much thought, huh? Check out Steve, Neal and Jon's promotional tour for ROR, Neal must have been mighty happy for I think he stuck his fingers in ears and licked out tongue? So funny. Round and round we go!

Perry had them over a barrell and he knew it. It was either Steve's way or he'd pout and not tour. Essentially, they had to do what he wanted ... or cut off their noses to spite their faces. Neal, Jon and Hebie all voiced opposition but, in the end, they had to do what was needed to be done to keep the band alive. And Herbie saw to it that Ross and Steve got paid...which was pretty cool.

[Author2]

Oh, according to SJ he did. Neal's band? Why wasn't Neal and Jon (their longtime bandmates) men enough to say no, especially Neal when it came to Herbie and Valory - together from the beginning? After all Herbie referred to him as a son, huh? Kicked old dad right under the bus without much thought, huh? Check out Steve, Neal and Jon's promotional tour for ROR, Neal must have been mighty happy for I think he stuck his fingers in ears and licked out tongue? So funny. Round and round we go!

Perry had them over a barrell and he knew it. It was either Steve's way or he'd pout and not tour. Essentially, they had to do what he wanted ... or cut off their noses to spite their faces. Neal, Jon and Hebie all voiced opposition but, in the end, they had to do what was needed to be done to keep the band alive. And Herbie saw to it that Ross and Steve got paid...which was pretty cool.

He had toured enough 78-83 without letup. You either stand for something or fall for anything, huh. Neal's band? Why not order Steve Perry to tour or fire him or take a knife to those noses? Sorry, in my book it would have died before I kicked old dad under the bus. Judging from appearances they did not voice opinions too loudly. Anyway, I read in a Herbie interview that he made sure Ross and Steve got paid then he went on to say that they might not remember it. Come on, how could they forget "his' being the one doing that if he did? Do you honestly think Steve Perry would have tried to stop that? After all, the guys were under contract, I wouldn't think getting fired from ROR meant terminating that contract. That would have been a breach of contract - would you say? Way I see it, maybe they got a double dose - got paid then could pursue their other interest?