How Did Schon Miss This Guy?

[Jeremey]

Journey is a world band now; they are not all about one color.

Journey has never been about color, creed, race, or nationality. They have always been about the music. And incidentally, they are an American band.

[Duncan]

Journey is a world band now; they are not all about one color.

Journey has never been about color, creed, race, or nationality. They have always been about the music. And incidentally, they are an American band.

They are a bunch of guys who play music together. Who gives a diddly squat about where they come from?

[portland]

Journey is a world band now; they are not all about one color.

Journey has never been about color, creed, race, or nationality. They have always been about the music. And incidentally, they are an American band.

Ummm My Point exactly!

[steveo777]

I was quoting, but not directly, something Neal or Jon said after they hired Arnel.

[portland]

I was quoting, but not directly, something Neal or Jon said after they hired Arnel.

I am sure you have the quote at the ready.....do share!

[Jeremey]

I think Jonathan did say that, and it was a douchey thing to say.

[Duncan]

I think Jonathan did say that, and it was a douchey thing to say.

Why?

[Jeremey]

I think Jonathan did say that, and it was a douchey thing to say.

Why?

Quite frankly because hiring a singer from Manila does not make you a "world band." It sounded like one of those douchey and broad-stroked platitudes that Jonathan is somewhat prone to. If you buy into it, great for you, but I think to a lot of people, myself included, it sounded a little condescending and smarmy.

[Duncan]

I think Jonathan did say that, and it was a douchey thing to say.

Why?

Quite frankly because hiring a singer from Manila does not make you a "world band." It sounded like one of those douchey and broad-stroked platitudes that Jonathan is somewhat prone to. If you buy into it, great for you, but I think to a lot of people, myself included, it sounded a little condescending and smarmy.

What makes you a world band?

[Jeremey]

I think Jonathan did say that, and it was a douchey thing to say.

Why?

Quite frankly because hiring a singer from Manila does not make you a "world band." It sounded like one of those douchey and broad-stroked platitudes that Jonathan is somewhat prone to. If you buy into it, great for you, but I think to a lot of people, myself included, it sounded a little condescending and smarmy.

What makes you a world band?

LOL, I have no idea, maybe you could explain!

Although when I think "world band" I'm far more likely to think of the music of Paul Simon or Peter Gabriel than Journey. But I think you get my point, no?

[Duncan]

I think Jonathan did say that, and it was a douchey thing to say.

Why?

Quite frankly because hiring a singer from Manila does not make you a "world band." It sounded like one of those douchey and broad-stroked platitudes that Jonathan is somewhat prone to. If you buy into it, great for you, but I think to a lot of people, myself included, it sounded a little condescending and smarmy.

What makes you a world band?

LOL, I have no idea, maybe you could explain!

Although when I think "world band" I'm far more likely to think of the music of Paul Simon or Peter Gabriel than Journey. But I think you get my point, no?

No, I don't get your point at all. No worries though.

[Jeremey]

No, I don't get your point at all. No worries though.

Seriously though, what do you consider a "world band?" You asked me the question so I assume you must have a definition that you are contrasting my statement against? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I honestly want to know?

[ttango1]

Do some of you feel that the comments posted by Pineda fans on a lot of the Perry YouTubes about him being gay, big nosed, pussy, not a man, singing like a fag, etc are retaliation towards the perception that Americans that don't care for (or are biased or racist) about some of Arnel's Pinoy mannerisms? I've always wondered if it was like a chicken or the egg type thing, cause we all know that there was a bit made about the racism of American fans when they discovered that Arnel was the new singer of the group.

Yes, it's retaliatory. Same thing is going on now with Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao in boxing

As a people, Filipinos are generally humble. Attack one of theirs and the possibility that it will be given back and then some. It's sad really, negativity vs negativity is so easily spread with the advent of the web. And just as sad are the people who get off on giving that negativity life. IMHO it seems as if those people who find joy in that, have none or little in their own lives.

[Vladan]

What does world band mean anyway? - Because when I think world band, I think Queen, Backstreet Boys, U2, Bon Jovi, The Beatles... even Foriegner.

Journey are are not a world band. Australia copy eveything America does, but I don't hear JRNY on the radio here, ever. You can thank the Simpsons, Glee, The Saprano's, and so on for the rest.

IMO they are a nostaglia group, singing past hits made famous by a former singer (Steve Perry) who isn't in the band anymore... ouch.


What's the difference between Journey and Jeremey? they are both recreating a sound from the past. I'd rather pay my money to a guy who alteast know's he's a tribute act, and doe not pretend to be anything else. Journey are in denial and still think Steve Perry is at the helm!... hilarious.


IMO they really killed the group when Perry left, it was over. Bring back Steve Perry. Who cares if he sounds different? these guys are pushing 60! what do want?.

Two big thumbs down for the current Journey

Two big thumbs up for classic Journey, and Jeremy

[Michigan Girl]

Do some of you feel that the comments posted by Pineda fans on a lot of the Perry YouTubes about him being gay, big nosed, pussy, not a man, singing like a fag, etc are retaliation towards the perception that Americans that don't care for (or are biased or racist) about some of Arnel's Pinoy mannerisms? I've always wondered if it was like a chicken or the egg type thing, cause we all know that there was a bit made about the racism of American fans when they discovered that Arnel was the new singer of the group.

Yes, it's retaliatory. Same thing is going on now with Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao in boxing

As a people, Filipinos are generally humble. Attack one of theirs and the possibility that it will be given back and then some. It's sad really, negativity vs negativity is so easily spread with the advent of the web. And just as sad are the people who get off on giving that negativity life. IMHO it seems as if those people who find joy in that, have none or little in their own lives.

Interesting, Negativity is a sad state.
I know what you mean here, I feel much the same way when my favorite voice is attacked, but would never lash out at an
innocent person (Arnel) as a result~ that's just cruel ... we do and will have opinions, though, and I will not
accept racism as a reason for those opinions, not here!! One can take that or leave it ...

[Eric]

What does world band mean anyway? - Because when I think world band, I think Queen, Backstreet Boys, U2, Bon Jovi, The Beatles... even Foriegner.

Journey are are not a world band. Australia copy eveything America does, but I don't hear JRNY on the radio here, ever. You can thank the Simpsons, Glee, The Saprano's, and so on for the rest.

IMO they are a nostaglia group, singing past hits made famous by a former singer (Steve Perry) who isn't in the band anymore... ouch.


What's the difference between Journey and Jeremey? they are both recreating a sound from the past. I'd rather pay my money to a guy who alteast know's he's a tribute act, and doe not pretend to be anything else. Journey are in denial and still think Steve Perry is at the helm!... hilarious.


IMO they really killed the group when Perry left, it was over. Bring back Steve Perry. Who cares if he sounds different? these guys are pushing 60! what do want?.

Two big thumbs down for the current Journey

Two big thumbs up for classic Journey, and Jeremy

You do realize Journey released 4 albums last decade...right? Thats not exactly a touring jukebox.

[slucero]

What does world band mean anyway? - Because when I think world band, I think Queen, Backstreet Boys, U2, Bon Jovi, The Beatles... even Foriegner.

Journey are are not a world band. Australia copy eveything America does, but I don't hear JRNY on the radio here, ever. You can thank the Simpsons, Glee, The Saprano's, and so on for the rest.

IMO they are a nostaglia group, singing past hits made famous by a former singer (Steve Perry) who isn't in the band anymore... ouch.


What's the difference between Journey and Jeremey? they are both recreating a sound from the past. I'd rather pay my money to a guy who alteast know's he's a tribute act, and doe not pretend to be anything else. Journey are in denial and still think Steve Perry is at the helm!... hilarious.


IMO they really killed the group when Perry left, it was over. Bring back Steve Perry. Who cares if he sounds different? these guys are pushing 60! what do want?.

Two big thumbs down for the current Journey

Two big thumbs up for classic Journey, and Jeremy

You do realize Journey released 4 albums last decade...right? Thats not exactly a touring jukebox.

Except they play maybe 4 out of those 40 songs in their set.. and dozens from the albums previous to the 4 they released in the last decade...

[steveo777]

What does world band mean anyway? - Because when I think world band, I think Queen, Backstreet Boys, U2, Bon Jovi, The Beatles... even Foriegner.

Journey are are not a world band. Australia copy eveything America does, but I don't hear JRNY on the radio here, ever. You can thank the Simpsons, Glee, The Saprano's, and so on for the rest.

IMO they are a nostaglia group, singing past hits made famous by a former singer (Steve Perry) who isn't in the band anymore... ouch.


What's the difference between Journey and Jeremey? they are both recreating a sound from the past. I'd rather pay my money to a guy who alteast know's he's a tribute act, and doe not pretend to be anything else. Journey are in denial and still think Steve Perry is at the helm!... hilarious.


IMO they really killed the group when Perry left, it was over. Bring back Steve Perry. Who cares if he sounds different? these guys are pushing 60! what do want?.

Two big thumbs down for the current Journey

Two big thumbs up for classic Journey, and Jeremy

You do realize Journey released 4 albums last decade...right? Thats not exactly a touring jukebox.

Except they play maybe 4 out of those 40 songs in their set.. and dozens from the albums previous to the 4 they released in the last decade...

And if they don't the damn beer bottles start flying. Some people have a soft spot in their heart for the songs that were part of their youth and young adulthood. Its what they indentify with being some of the best parts of their lives. Being young, getting that first buzz, getting laid, ect...all to classic Journey tunes.
Because of this, it makes their minds less open to new material when it comes to Journey music.

[Aaron]

Dude, it's a half step down. Are you kidding me brother? My Grandpa can do a half step down.

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

[steveo777]

Dude, it's a half step down. Are you kidding me brother? My Grandpa can do a half step down.

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

It's not Arnel's choice. Some of you fucks just don't understand that it's voice preservation measures because Journey would like to finish their
career without having to go find another singer to replace one with a blown out voice. Is it really that hard to understand? What do you think they'd have to do with Perry, at his age? I know....I know....he can sing in original key and probably walk on water too!

[YoungJRNY]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Wow, those fucking coattails have to go. I don't understand why Journey tributes have to wear them. We get it's a Perry homage, but god damn it looks trash and severely outdated. As for the guy, I like his voice, a lot. He is pitchy and all over the place and seems not to have that much vibrato to his voice to really do much intangibles with the songs. Seems like he lacks power also and uses the tone of his voice for trying to be loud and that translates into screaming. A Lex Luthor look-alike front man would be sweet thought haha. Arnel's the best fit for Journey though and was the find of the decade.

[slucero]

What does world band mean anyway? - Because when I think world band, I think Queen, Backstreet Boys, U2, Bon Jovi, The Beatles... even Foriegner.

Journey are are not a world band. Australia copy eveything America does, but I don't hear JRNY on the radio here, ever. You can thank the Simpsons, Glee, The Saprano's, and so on for the rest.

IMO they are a nostaglia group, singing past hits made famous by a former singer (Steve Perry) who isn't in the band anymore... ouch.


What's the difference between Journey and Jeremey? they are both recreating a sound from the past. I'd rather pay my money to a guy who alteast know's he's a tribute act, and doe not pretend to be anything else. Journey are in denial and still think Steve Perry is at the helm!... hilarious.


IMO they really killed the group when Perry left, it was over. Bring back Steve Perry. Who cares if he sounds different? these guys are pushing 60! what do want?.

Two big thumbs down for the current Journey

Two big thumbs up for classic Journey, and Jeremy

You do realize Journey released 4 albums last decade...right? Thats not exactly a touring jukebox.

Except they play maybe 4 out of those 40 songs in their set.. and dozens from the albums previous to the 4 they released in the last decade...

And if they don't the damn beer bottles start flying. Some people have a soft spot in their heart for the songs that were part of their youth and young adulthood. Its what they indentify with being some of the best parts of their lives. Being young, getting that first buzz, getting laid, ect...all to classic Journey tunes.
Because of this, it makes their minds less open to new material when it comes to Journey music.

Egg-Xactly!

[Aaron]

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

Dude, it's a half step down. Are you kidding me brother? My Grandpa can do a half step down.

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

It's not Arnel's choice. Some of you fucks just don't understand that it's voice preservation measures because Journey would like to finish their
career without having to go find another singer to replace one with a blown out voice. Is it really that hard to understand? What do you think they'd have to do with Perry, at his age? I know....I know....he can sing in original key and probably walk on water too!

[steveo777]

You are really reaching there. Lack of capability.....are you high? He doesn't seem to be avoiding the high notes when he's
doing his own gigs. lack of capability.........
This has been discussed before and after Augeri, the band is not taking any chances. This was not Arnel's choice and I can't
find where, at the moment, but even he has admitted this. I read it.

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

Dude, it's a half step down. Are you kidding me brother? My Grandpa can do a half step down.

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Not bad...but do you have him performing "Open Arms" or "Faithfully" - because I'm pretty sure that's what sold it for Schon & Co.

As far as I'm concerned Arnel almost rivals even Perry with Separate Ways in a live setting vocally, and I love Arnel's ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJlTumW-Zw

The "Holy Fuck" at 6:57 is classic.

I think that was one of our MR members from Daytona. He took these videos, I believe. Some of the best quality I've seen for sound and using the screens for better visuals.

Check this motherfucker out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-izig_s ... re=related

It's not Arnel's choice. Some of you fucks just don't understand that it's voice preservation measures because Journey would like to finish their
career without having to go find another singer to replace one with a blown out voice. Is it really that hard to understand? What do you think they'd have to do with Perry, at his age? I know....I know....he can sing in original key and probably walk on water too!

[kgdjpubs]

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

maybe...but nobody who has ever done full touring on this catalog for 10 years in original key has ever survived it without it shredding the voice. You can do it at 30, but at 40+ years of age, it takes more time for the voice to recover. Without that time, the voice goes downhill.

Most people other than the diehards either a) can't tell the difference...or b) couldn't care less, so why would you NOT go down one-half step? If it buys your singer a few extra years, why would you not go down? If they had done that from the beginning, Augeri probably wouldn't have blown out his voice. Perry might not have either.

[donnaplease]

If voice preservation is an issue, then why are the powers that be allowing him to do 'his own gigs'? Shouldn't he be 'preserving' his voice?

[Jana]

If voice preservation is an issue, then why are the powers that be allowing him to do 'his own gigs'? Shouldn't he be 'preserving' his voice?

Most singers on here have all said the little he's sung this year (a song here and there on a TV show or a small grouping of charity concerts) spread out is good for his vocals rather than a year and a half off and not singing.

[steveo777]

If voice preservation is an issue, then why are the powers that be allowing him to do 'his own gigs'? Shouldn't he be 'preserving' his voice?

No.... because it's not nearly as many gigs as a Journey tour, not as many nights in a row, etc. Also, if you don't use it you lose it. He must keep singing.

[Saint John]

but nobody who has ever done full touring on this catalog for 10 years in original key has ever survived it without it shredding the voice.

And even that might be generous. By all accounts, Perry was pretty much always unable to sing songs more than 5 years back, without sounding like shit or tuning down. By Frontiers he was done with the early Rolie stuff and by ROR he had to sing at the speed of light and cheat on notes to sing the Escape-era stuff. Then on FTLOSM he sang the songs a half step down and ducked a lot of the harder notes. But, Arnel, at 43 years of age and 10X the miles on his voice is supposed to sing everything like he's 25? Laughable.

[kgdjpubs]

If voice preservation is an issue, then why are the powers that be allowing him to do 'his own gigs'? Shouldn't he be 'preserving' his voice?

No.... because it's not nearly as many gigs as a Journey tour, not as many nights in a row, etc. Also, if you don't use it you lose it. He must keep singing.

exactly. Voice preservation has more to do with rest time BETWEEN gigs, than the number of actual gigs performed. Doing some amount of singing keeps your stamina up. If you take a year off, and then put them on a tour with this group of songs, you are only asking for damage if you do that. Without stamina in the vocal cords, you are either going to blow out the voice, risk permanent damage (nodes), or both.

Singing is like being an athlete, except your voice is your instrument. You can't take some NFL football player or a marathon runner who hasn't done anything for the last year except sit around and watch television, put them out on the field, and expect them to be at peak level. You have to train to be able to go full out--nothing different with being a singer. It may sound counter-intuitive, but the worst thing you can do for the voice is not sing at all.