Grand jury indicts Journey drummer Deen Castronovo on rape c

[perryfan61]

So what's the difference between hearing it on youtube vs over the radio?

The difference is the radio didn't play the whole album. Also, many times the radio played a "single cut" which was different from the album version. Rock bands and radio had a social contract. It was an unwritten agreement that allowed radio to play the songs to promote the bands. Bands have no such arraingement with Youtube.

"social contract"?

LMAO....



There's only one word to describe the reason we heard what we heard when terrestrial radio was the standard... and that word is "payola"... because that was how hits were "made"...


Do yourself a favor and pick up the book "Hitmen" by Frederic Dannen.



http://www.amazon.com/Hit-Men-Brokers-I ... rds=hitmen

You'll never view AM and FM radio hits of the 70's and 80's the same way again..

Thanks, just downloaded it....can't wait to read it....after the new Harper Lee, of course! It's going to be a great vacation....starting with a Journey concert!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

But from what I've read, Eclipse was only a fraction of the success that Revelation was. I listened to both and IMO the tracks on Revelation are more in line with my personal preference & taste than Eclipse.

Revelation is good for what it is, but as Neal said while making Eclipse - "I don't see the point of repeating the same song with different chords."

[JBlake]

But from what I've read, Eclipse was only a fraction of the success that Revelation was. I listened to both and IMO the tracks on Revelation are more in line with my personal preference & taste than Eclipse.

Revelation is good for what it is, but as Neal said while making Eclipse - "I don't see the point of repeating the same song with different chords."

Yeah but Motley Crue did just that in the late 80s. I swear, damn near every song I heard played in the rocker clubs by Motley Crue within like three years - 87, 88, and 89 sounded almost like the same song but with just a slight changeup in chords, riffs and lyrics.

Well I'm glad Deen is getting some professional help. Has any of the so called "charges" been downgraded or is everything still on the table?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah but Motley Crue did just that in the late 80s. I swear, damn near every song I heard played in the rocker clubs by Motley Crue within like three years - 87, 88, and 89 sounded almost like the same song but with just a slight changeup in chords, riffs and lyrics.

Do we want Journey to model themselves after Crue? "Escape" is the band's high point and it's a radical sonic shift from "Departure". "Eclipse" has tracks that were vintage 80s Journey. Maybe just not enough to satisfy fans like you. If you want an album that is similar to Revelation (tho not as good), go pick up a copy of Deen's Revolution Saints. And hurry, before someone organizes a mass CD burning at Wrigley Field.

[JourneyHard]

"social contract"?

LMAO....

There's only one word to describe the reason we heard what we heard when terrestrial radio was the standard... and that word is "payola"... because that was how hits were "made"...

So, are you saying that if Jon wants another mega hit, he needs to get out his wallet and grease some people's hands? Jon and Neal can pool their money and have a hit song tomorrow!

[JBlake]

Yeah but Motley Crue did just that in the late 80s. I swear, damn near every song I heard played in the rocker clubs by Motley Crue within like three years - 87, 88, and 89 sounded almost like the same song but with just a slight changeup in chords, riffs and lyrics.

Do we want Journey to model themselves after Crue? "Escape" is the band's high point and it's a radical sonic shift from "Departure". "Eclipse" has tracks that were vintage 80s Journey. Maybe just not enough to satisfy fans like you. If you want an album that is similar to Revelation (tho not as good), go pick up a copy of Deen's Revolution Saints. And hurry, before someone organizes a mass CD burning at Wrigley Field.

Hmmm. Well for a so called "high point" it does not seem to have been as good a seller as Revelation, the number of units sold don't lie.

At any rate, will be keeping a watch on Deen's progress.

[slucero]

"social contract"?

LMAO....

There's only one word to describe the reason we heard what we heard when terrestrial radio was the standard... and that word is "payola"... because that was how hits were "made"...

So, are you saying that if Jon wants another mega hit, he needs to get out his wallet and grease some people's hands? Jon and Neal can pool their money and have a hit song tomorrow!

Its not that easy....

The labels owned the distribution network back then... and radio was literally the ONLY the way people heard new music... so the audience was literally held captive. The labels simply ponied up the money (and wrote it off as part of the marketing costs) to pay off the station managers and the DJ's, who actually had a say in what got played... because playlists were still done by people.

Nowadays... Distribution is all over the map... and the labels own none of it. More importantly, the audience is no longer held captive by radio as their sole source of new music... because we can hear new music from countless sources now..

So... "hits" are now few and far between.. much more formulaic, yet have no staying power.. because stations aren't playing them forever like they used to.. and more importantly, artists and labels no longer do "radio" (payola) like they used to..

[steveo777]

Tempted to go visit Deen. We're gonna be very close to where he is next week. I wonder how he would feel about our visit?

[yulog]

How are you going to visit him? isn't he going to court ordered treatment? They don't let anyone just visit in tx centers(all kinds of privacy laws).

[Majestic]

Tempted to go visit Deen. We're gonna be very close to where he is next week. I wonder how he would feel about our visit?

I think he wouldn't like it. I know I wouldn't! But perhaps an encouraging and supportive letter would be well received. Just my opinion.

[JBlake]

Tempted to go visit Deen. We're gonna be very close to where he is next week. I wonder how he would feel about our visit?

If you try, let us know. That would be interesting to see if they would allow visitors. I knew a chick once who went through something similar and they wouldn't allow visitation for a while.

[Archetype]

Tempted to go visit Deen. We're gonna be very close to where he is next week. I wonder how he would feel about our visit?

He might like that fans are still thinking about and supporting him. His whole life has been the music business, and he feels like he lost everything- which implicitly includes fans. A visit could show him that he's still relevant to people. Who knows? But I'm sure there's a lot of privacy law red tape involved. Look into that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do we want Journey to model themselves after Crue? "Escape" is the band's high point and it's a radical sonic shift from "Departure". "Eclipse" has tracks that were vintage 80s Journey. Maybe just not enough to satisfy fans like you. If you want an album that is similar to Revelation (tho not as good), go pick up a copy of Deen's Revolution Saints. And hurry, before someone organizes a mass CD burning at Wrigley Field.

Hmmm. Well for a so called "high point" it does not seem to have been as good a seller as Revelation, the number of units sold don't lie.

If you are going to use "quotations" maybe you should actually quote the person, or first learn how to read.
I said Escape is the band's high point, not Eclipse. Unless you truly believe that Revelation outsold Escape. Which, given your uninformed rantings in the politics thread, wouldn't really surprise me at all.

[JBlake]

Do we want Journey to model themselves after Crue? "Escape" is the band's high point and it's a radical sonic shift from "Departure". "Eclipse" has tracks that were vintage 80s Journey. Maybe just not enough to satisfy fans like you. If you want an album that is similar to Revelation (tho not as good), go pick up a copy of Deen's Revolution Saints. And hurry, before someone organizes a mass CD burning at Wrigley Field.

Hmmm. Well for a so called "high point" it does not seem to have been as good a seller as Revelation, the number of units sold don't lie.

If you are going to use "quotations" maybe you should actually quote the person, or first learn how to read.
I said Escape is the band's high point, not Eclipse. Unless you truly believe that Revelation outsold Escape. Which, given your uninformed rantings in the politics thread, wouldn't really surprise me at all.

My bad. I mixed up the album titles Eclipse and Escape.

[perryswoman]

what is going on with Deen?? I know he is in treatment, but on facebook someone made the mention rape charges have been dropped? I swear I can not find that online anywhere!

[Archetype]

what is going on with Deen?? I know he is in treatment, but on facebook someone made the mention rape charges have been dropped? I swear I can not find that online anywhere!

Haven't found anything in google searches.

[perryswoman]

Neither did I so wondered if made up or someone in the know

[tater1977]

Robert Fleischman on his FB

https://www.facebook.com/robert.fleischman3?fref=ts


"Journey People. .

I've just had a conversation with Dean Castronova ..He's 3 months clean and will be looking forward to a new beginning. .
Please leave a comment and give him your love and support.. I know that he would appreciate it. ..☆☆♡☆☆ Thank you very much. ..RF"


- in the comments ...


Barbara M - According to his mother, Deen was "officially fired" from Journey the other day. He won't be back behind the drums for them.

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Barbara M - I wish it wasn't but Deen's mom posted it on Journeys FB page. They've apparently given up on him even though he hasn't yet been convicted of any crime.

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[perryfan61]

Here's hoping it's not true, and that he will be back.

[Journey/Survivor]

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[Marabelle]

It's all too bad but the only person Deen has to blame for his current situation is Deen. He's got to take responsibility for all of it. Now is the time to realize how strong he really is; not trying to make someone else responsible for his problems. It takes a lot of character to prove to yourself that you can get your life together after all that has happened.

[slucero]

If Deen was indeed fired, it reeks of Jonathan Cain being self-righteous and demanding Deen be fired.

Or maybe it "reeks" of the drugs Deen was taking, that eventually got the better of him, to the point he was no longer employable.... and forced the band to make a band decision..

[steveo777]

If Deen was indeed fired, it reeks of Jonathan Cain being self-righteous and demanding Deen be fired.

Really dude? What could they do?
No way, even as much as I love Deen, could the band present him in front of an audience again. They know it would be a downward spiral, erasing everything they have worked so hard to regain. I understand addiction and Deen got sick...again. He's been there before. People make choices, well and sick, but he made the choice that ultimately cost him his career with Journey.

[FamilyMan]

Let's all just pray for Deen and his future; one where he gets well and becomes the father to his children that he needs to be.

[Memorex]

If Deen was indeed fired, it reeks of Jonathan Cain being self-righteous and demanding Deen be fired.

Should the types of choices Deen made carry no responsibility? The band has to carry on and minimize the risk Deen was putting them under. That doesn't mean Deen's life is over or he won't be in many good situations in the future. It just means that at this time and for the foreseeable future, Journey feels it's best to carry on in a healthier manner.

There are millions of sufferers out there. Deen will be just fine without this band if he makes all the right choices.

Anyway, doing that level of drugs and turning violent and risking shows and having legal problems has to carry with it some form of penalty in life. It doesn't make anyone self-righteous. That's just silly.

[Archetype]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Megadeth needs a full-time drummer. Deen would be an awesome candidate for the job.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Clips like these remind me of why Deen was the band's secret weapon. Awesome talent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSHgk8brcSU

[The_Noble_Cause]

No way, even as much as I love Deen, could the band present him in front of an audience again.

Oh please. This is a band that has endured, despite losing their most iconic and famous member. Do you really think by putting Deen back behind the kit they will see any noticeable decline in attendance or sales? Like Tapegate, outside of the internet, nobody knows or really cares.

[marco17]

Certainly there might be a very few that wonder if J as a brand is saying it's okay if they let him back in and I am sure they don't want to chance any bad PR. That said, I think over time, Dean may have burned the bridge while letting his demons control him and with J likely in the sunset of their career, it is probably more a case of why bother dealing with stuff like this.

[FamilyMan]

No way, even as much as I love Deen, could the band present him in front of an audience again.

Oh please. This is a band that has endured, despite losing their most iconic and famous member. Do you really think by putting Deen back behind the kit they will see any noticeable decline in attendance or sales? Like Tapegate, outside of the internet, nobody knows or really cares.

I suspect much more went into this decision than PR or appearances, TNC. The band is already quite familiar with the legalities of being in the unenviable position cancelling shows. They got lucky, this time, that Omar was able to fill in. What if next time, there's no ace in the hole? I'm sure there are insurance issues at play here. To insure the band to go on the road, you undoubtedly need an acknowledgement the group is healthy and won't cancel dates, leaving them liable for the fallout, refunds, etc. I'm not a lawyer and others on this board i'm sure have much more knowledge of these situations. But I'm quite confident this decision was made by someone with a last name Esquire, not Cain or Schon.