Grand jury indicts Journey drummer Deen Castronovo on rape c

[MCC620]

No way, even as much as I love Deen, could the band present him in front of an audience again.

Oh please. This is a band that has endured, despite losing their most iconic and famous member. Do you really think by putting Deen back behind the kit they will see any noticeable decline in attendance or sales? Like Tapegate, outside of the internet, nobody knows or really cares.

the difference between this and tapegate is that this was a second arrest with a violation of a court order and a court appearance that all played out in the regular news outlets, as well as, almost every entertainment outlet.

deen's mom posted about him being fired. the band will sit on it like they did with the news of steve augeri's exit and jss's exit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

the difference between this and tapegate is that this was a second arrest with a violation of a court order and a court appearance that all played out in the regular news outlets, as well as, almost every entertainment outlet.

deen's mom posted about him being fired. the band will sit on it like they did with the news of steve augeri's exit and jss's exit.

I ask again, if Deen is behind the kit, who would care? Does anyone truly expect a mass boycott by feminist groups? The story was in the media briefly, yes. So was news about Neal sending photos of his penis on internet. Does anybody remember? Does anybody care? Not really. Court order or not, and despite the seriousness of the charges against Deen, the band is pretty much Teflon at this point.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No way, even as much as I love Deen, could the band present him in front of an audience again.

Oh please. This is a band that has endured, despite losing their most iconic and famous member. Do you really think by putting Deen back behind the kit they will see any noticeable decline in attendance or sales? Like Tapegate, outside of the internet, nobody knows or really cares.

I suspect much more went into this decision than PR or appearances, TNC. The band is already quite familiar with the legalities of being in the unenviable position cancelling shows. They got lucky, this time, that Omar was able to fill in. What if next time, there's no ace in the hole? I'm sure there are insurance issues at play here. To insure the band to go on the road, you undoubtedly need an acknowledgement the group is healthy and won't cancel dates, leaving them liable for the fallout, refunds, etc. I'm not a lawyer and others on this board i'm sure have much more knowledge of these situations. But I'm quite confident this decision was made by someone with a last name Esquire, not Cain or Schon.

Entirely possible. Good post.

[perryfan61]

The difference is the radio didn't play the whole album. Also, many times the radio played a "single cut" which was different from the album version. Rock bands and radio had a social contract. It was an unwritten agreement that allowed radio to play the songs to promote the bands. Bands have no such arraingement with Youtube.[/quote]


"social contract"?

LMAO....



There's only one word to describe the reason we heard what we heard when terrestrial radio was the standard... and that word is "payola"... because that was how hits were "made"...


Do yourself a favor and pick up the book "Hitmen" by Frederic Dannen.



http://www.amazon.com/Hit-Men-Brokers-I ... rds=hitmen

You'll never view AM and FM radio hits of the 70's and 80's the same way again..[/quote]

Thanks, just downloaded it....can't wait to read it....after the new Harper Lee, of course! It's going to be a great vacation....starting with a Journey concert!![/quote]

Just finished the book......quite an eye opener!! A little bit slow going in some places, but certainly gives you an idea of how frustrating it must be for artists to get their music recorded and then played. Of course, times have changed considerably since the book was written, which makes it even more frustrating now. I just wonder about all the music we never got to hear.....probably some great stuff out there that no one would pay to get played.

[Majestic]

the difference between this and tapegate is that this was a second arrest with a violation of a court order and a court appearance that all played out in the regular news outlets, as well as, almost every entertainment outlet.

deen's mom posted about him being fired. the band will sit on it like they did with the news of steve augeri's exit and jss's exit.

The story was in the media briefly, yes. So was news about Neal sending photos of his penis on internet. Does anybody remember?

Ummm you do??

[Archetype]

What did Deen's mom say exactly? I can't seem to find that post, but I'll admit that I didn't spend a ton of time looking for it after realizing that Journey may have deleted it anyway.

[JohnH]

Can't imagine Deen is not fired and there is only one person to blame and his name is Deen. How this gets twisted as blaming anyone else makes no sense to me. How many chances did he get ? A lot of people don't get that many.

[Eric]

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[Memorex]

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I can't blame him. Hope Deen is on his way up from rock bottom. I trust he will find a healthy situation for himself.

[FamilyMan]

Sad reading this...

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[Journey/Survivor]

Lately Jonathan Cain may be "available" for Journey as far as performing the shows. But that's about it. He seems to have checked out in terms of creativity. It would appear that he isn't interested in writing/recording for a new album. Especially if it's not one of his redundant ballad filled albums.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Note that "supported" is past tense. Which would seem to indicate that Deen's tenure with the band is over, and the guy has officially run out of second chances with NOMOTA. Hey, the band has to do what the band has to do. Maybe Cain can talk to his Benny Hinn-televangelist wife and read up on "hating the sing, loving the sinner." The drumming can be replaced, but DC added alot of BG vocals. His solo renditions of "Mother, Father", "Still They Ride", or "Suzanne" were standouts in the set and regularly blew Augeri and even Arnel out of the water. Even if Smith returns, Deen's talent and energy will be missed.

[Gideon]

^^^ this.

[perryfan61]

Note that "supported" is past tense. Which would seem to indicate that Deen's tenure with the band is over, and the guy has officially run out of second chances with NOMOTA. Hey, the band has to do what the band has to do. Maybe Cain can talk to his Benny Hinn-televangelist wife and read up on "hating the sing, loving the sinner." The drumming can be replaced, but DC added alot of BG vocals. His solo renditions of "Mother, Father", "Still They Ride", or "Suzanne" were standouts in the set and regularly blew Augeri and even Arnel out of the water. Even if Smith returns, Deen's talent and energy will be missed.

+2

[Archetype]

I bet Journey's relatively lax schedule earlier this year got to Deen. He was trying to put together a Revolution Saints tour too.

No, I can't, dude. If I sit at home... I live in Oregon, so if I sit at home too long, I get in trouble. You know what I mean? I've got to keep moving, keep busy. There's not much to do up here unless you're a hiker, a hunter, a fisherman, or a gambler, and I am none of the above! I'm a drummer! That's what I do!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Would suuuure be great if a rock website had an update or scoop on this Deen story (preferably here on MR), instead of getting leaks from Deen's family members. No news from Neal lately. Too busy posting photos of his Real Housewife. At this point, I don't even trust Neal to deliver Journey music. He took Resonate and made a music video that was all about Michaele. I'm surprised we haven't seen her writhing and doing backwards cheerleader splits on his harley, like a wannabe Tawny Kitaen. At this point, he would probably give us a 2-hour concept album all about "Lady M." Of course, mid-recording process he would meet his new wife, probably an intern at Caveman studios. Meanwhile, Jon is now writing a gospel album for his televangelist wife. There seems to be no middle ground in this band. You are either led around by your balls by your wife, or you rape your wife on a tweaked-out meth bender. Maybe we should put Ross in charge.

[tater1977]

Would suuuure be great if a rock website had an update or scoop on this Deen story (preferably here on MR), instead of getting leaks from Deen's family members. No news from Neal lately. Too busy posting photos of his Real Housewife. At this point, I don't even trust Neal to deliver Journey music. He took Resonate and made a music video that was all about Michaele. I'm surprised we haven't seen her writhing and doing backwards cheerleader splits on his harley, like a wannabe Tawny Kitaen. At this point, he would probably give us a 2-hour concept album all about "Lady M." Of course, mid-recording process he would meet his new wife, probably an intern at Caveman studios. Meanwhile, Jon is now writing a gospel album for his televangelist wife. There seems to be no middle ground in this band. You are either led around by your balls by your wife, or you rape your wife on a tweaked-out meth bender. Maybe we should put Ross in charge.

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[perryfan61]

[marco17]

Maybe after the whole thing with Neal and the current wife and the questionable publicity around that, they just want to lay low and be out of the spotlight. While most of us would safely say that the vast majority wouldn't know whether Dean was there or not, they may want to fly under the radar. I mean, just look at this forum. There is virtually nothing to talk about Journey related, and many of us can remember a couple years back when there were a dozen threads going full blast.

[NealIsGod]

He took Resonate and made a music video that was all about Michaele. I'm surprised we haven't seen her writhing and doing backwards cheerleader splits on his harley, like a wannabe Tawny Kitaen.

"surprised" or "disappointed"'?

[Archetype]

Maybe after the whole thing with Neal and the current wife and the questionable publicity around that, they just want to lay low and be out of the spotlight. While most of us would safely say that the vast majority wouldn't know whether Dean was there or not, they may want to fly under the radar. I mean, just look at this forum. There is virtually nothing to talk about Journey related, and many of us can remember a couple years back when there were a dozen threads going full blast.

The Journey camp has definitely gotten pretty boring. I think it was their struggle back to the top that kept everyone talking all the time. Singer changes, new albums, direct band-related scandals, that's all gone. Now they're basically back on "top" by most standards and it has led to them being a fairly uninteresting discussion topic.

[The_Noble_Cause]

He took Resonate and made a music video that was all about Michaele. I'm surprised we haven't seen her writhing and doing backwards cheerleader splits on his harley, like a wannabe Tawny Kitaen.

"surprised" or "disappointed"'?

Lol. Do my eyes deceive me? Is it really you? Where the hell have you been? Bring back RedJoe13 while you are at it.

[NealIsGod]

He took Resonate and made a music video that was all about Michaele. I'm surprised we haven't seen her writhing and doing backwards cheerleader splits on his harley, like a wannabe Tawny Kitaen.

"surprised" or "disappointed"'?

Lol. Do my eyes deceive me? Is it really you? Where the hell have you been? Bring back RedJoe13 while you are at it.

Just checking in to see what's up with Deen. I figured this is the best place to find out. Sad story, hope he gets his life straightened out. Although I am still not that interested in Journey' since Augeri left and Soto got hosed.

[Monker]

Maybe after the whole thing with Neal and the current wife and the questionable publicity around that, they just want to lay low and be out of the spotlight. While most of us would safely say that the vast majority wouldn't know whether Dean was there or not, they may want to fly under the radar. I mean, just look at this forum. There is virtually nothing to talk about Journey related, and many of us can remember a couple years back when there were a dozen threads going full blast.

The Journey camp has definitely gotten pretty boring. I think it was their struggle back to the top that kept everyone talking all the time. Singer changes, new albums, direct band-related scandals, that's all gone. Now they're basically back on "top" by most standards and it has led to them being a fairly uninteresting discussion topic.

Or, maybe the "Hope and Change" crowd got frustrated and left after Arnel and Revelation went all retro. And, then the retro crowd got a bit confused and frustrated and left after Eclipst. Then everybody else gave up after Neal got all pussy-whipped.