Neal VS Jon

[Eric]

It's funny how everybody assumes that adding Gregg means that Jonathan is fired. Since Jonathan is part of Freedom LLC, I don't think Gregg could be hired without Jonathan agreeing. And, Neal can't fire Jonathan any more than he could fire Steve Perry from Elmo LLC. If Jonathan leaves, Neal is going to have to buy him out in the same way he did with Steve Perry.

Neal never said adding Gregg is a replacement for Jonathan. I would expect to see them both on tour. If anything the second keyboardist (Jason?) is the one who is no longer needed for the tour.

Neal tries to give the impression online that it is "his band." But it's all BS. Even listen to the soundchecks that have been uploaded recently on YT. Cain is basically the conductor. And when things turn to shit (ex. Augeri lip-synching) suddenly Neal ISN'T in charge. Suddenly, Neal has no idea what's going on in his own band!

Outside of hiring Arnel, most of Neal's decisions (firing JSS, music video with his pay-per-view wife, firing Ross/Smitty) have been horrible.

It was Schon's decision solely to fire JSS, Ross and Smith? I think Cain and management (especially) were involved with JSS and despite Arnel's success I still fear it was a mistake. I think Cain and Schon fired Smith and Valory and why do we care if 2 guys who don't want new music are in Journey or not? Why exist if you aren't making new music?

[Onestepper]

There's nothing more insufferable than watching grown men who are worth millions, and a part of a successful venture, act like victims and constantly belly ache like we're supposed to feel sorry for them.

I personally believe Neal's wife is driving a lot of the negativity and bad behavior from Schon. Regardless, forgive me if I don't join the pity party for him and his "band", like he so desperately wants us to lock onto.

There have been tons of dysfunctional bands over the years. The Journey boys have done a spectacular job of leading the pack.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It was Schon's decision solely to fire JSS

Schon hired JSS. It all falls on him.

I think Cain and Schon fired Smith and Valory

Cain made a deal with the devil and is paying for it dearly. The very same law firm they (Neal and Jon) used to go after Ross/Smitty is now being used against Cain. Cain should have sided with Ross/Smith/Perry/Herbie.

and why do we care if 2 guys who don't want new music are in Journey or not? Why exist if you aren't making new music?

Ross is readying his own new music. So who even knows how true that is. Either way, it's not grounds for termination.

[bellairepark73]

Steve dropped the petition as per legal documents and according to Neal Jon will be onstage WITH Gregg who will be there for (some shows) of 50th anniversary tour. Neal OF COURSE is taking a victory lap. He is taking credit for EVERYTHING HERBIE HERBERT ever built and NO ONE is disputing him EXCEPT the fans who get blocked for it. He can't handle the truth and he can't handle being told what to do by management (which I assume his little tirade was all about). I hope Jon keeps his countersuit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Steve dropped the petition as per legal documents and according to Neal Jon will be onstage WITH Gregg who will be there for (some shows) of 50th anniversary tour. Neal OF COURSE is taking a victory lap. He is taking credit for EVERYTHING HERBIE HERBERT ever built and NO ONE is disputing him EXCEPT the fans who get blocked for it. He can't handle the truth and he can't handle being told what to do by management (which I assume his little tirade was all about). I hope Jon keeps his countersuit.

Probably the calm before the storm.....
Watch, Perry will now invoke some obscure nuclear loophole in the Elmo Bros. agreement allowing for him to end the charade once and for all!

[The_Noble_Cause]

"My wife helped tremendously in attaining out trade Marks. She worked for free road managing most of all last year. You didn’t see her name on our bank accounts or LLC did you ? She fought to protect and have my back. I’m good with it."

Maybe Neal can quit Journey and start a duo with his wife. They could be the next Sonny and Cher. At one point, she did have a "promising" music career.
Is this a Narada Michael Walden jam?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3XBbMUHg0

[danielb]

Is Lady M now road managing as well? This is turning into Falcon Crest

[danielb]

Wonder why Perry dropped the suit?

[JourneyHard]

Wonder why Perry dropped the suit?

I don't know what is going on in Perry's head, but he seems to be smarter than all these people. Perhaps Perry is going to trick Neal into turning over all the trademarks by offering to tour with Journey one last time for the 50th Anniversary tour. It is easier to get what you want with honey than vinegar.

Or maybe Perry is saying it isn't worth it to be in a fight with Neal. Life is too short. Perry will just do his own thing and not worry about the chump change Neal gets from these stupid trademarks on shirts and mugs.

With Herbie Herbert gone, Perry is the smartest one left. He knows what he is doing.

[Andrew]

https://www.vanndigital.com/donald-trump-spiritual-advisor-paula-whites-grifting-whos-next/

Did she really have access to Journey's corporate card? Yikes.

Shocking if so...

The claim has now been made, so regardless of source, Cain will have to disprove.

[Monker]

https://www.vanndigital.com/donald-trump-spiritual-advisor-paula-whites-grifting-whos-next/

Did she really have access to Journey's corporate card? Yikes.

Shocking if so...

The claim has now been made, so regardless of source, Cain will have to disprove.

It came after Jonathan said Neal does not have access because of his misuse. To me it sounds like a revenge thing. Even if true, how does Neal know what Paula used it for, if he does not have access? it will all have to be proven in court...unless it is settled.

[Art Vandelay]

Has Gregg Rolie addressed this anywhere? Makes you wonder what's going through his head now. Or what involvement he really wanted to have with this. The way Neal blows things up, it could have been a commitment to just one show for all we know.

[SoonerThunder]

Is Lady M now road managing as well? This is turning into Falcon Crest

Or Spinal Tap

[The_Noble_Cause]

Shocking if so...

The claim has now been made, so regardless of source, Cain will have to disprove.

The Cains' already addressed it in the NYPost article. Paula's attorney said Paula's signature is only present as co-signer on Jonathan's personal trust, which contains the 50% Journey interest. In Neal's actual cease and desist (available on the web), the only attached evidence he provides of Paula's meddling is a screenshot of her signature on the trust - which would back this up.

It's amusing how The Schon's are accusing Paula of meddling while openly bragging about Lady M acting as "road manager" and investigating band trademarks. Wouldn't that classify as meddling?

From the NYPost article.....

“Neal’s attorney recommended Neal and Jonathan own their respective 50% interests in the band’s operating entities through their personal trusts,”

“Paula is a co-trustee of Jonathan’s personal trust, therefore, Jonathan and Paula signed as the co-trustees of Jonathan’s personal trust. But that never would have happened if Neal’s lawyer had not recommenced it.”

Gutman said Schon didn’t complain about the arrangement for two years.

“When Neal finally complained (and we do not need to explain the real reason why he started complaining, which had nothing to do with fact that Paula was co-trustee of Jonathan’s trust or listed on any papers), Jonathan offered to have his ownership interest transferred from his personal trust to him personally,” the statement continues.

“While that offer would have resolved the issue, Neal refuses to cooperate in any resolution, once again demonstrating that the claim is entirely pretextual.”

[The_Noble_Cause]

It came after Jonathan said Neal does not have access because of his misuse. To me it sounds like a revenge thing. Even if true, how does Neal know what Paula used it for, if he does not have access? it will all have to be proven in court...unless it is settled.

They file frivolous lawsuits all the time. It's crap.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Has Gregg Rolie addressed this anywhere? Makes you wonder what's going through his head now. Or what involvement he really wanted to have with this. The way Neal blows things up, it could have been a commitment to just one show for all we know.

Underneath an article on FB mentioning his return, Rolie posted an emoji of eyeballs - whatever the hell that means. I would love to see him.

If the band was smart (and they're not), they would do this the right way. Look what Foreigner did for their 40th with Lou and Ian etc.
Bring in Gregg, bring in Augeri - why the fuck not?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal's bargain basement publicity firm - TAG Publicity - is now claiming both Arnel and Cain are aligned to not have Gregg appear.

https://twitter.com/TAGPublicity/status ... IqXMaKqmIQ

"Jon Cain and Arnel Pineda are refusing to take the stage if Gregg Rolie is allowed to perform on the Journey 50th Anniversary Freedom Tour 2023. Your thoughts?"

[Loneman1]

Neal's bargain basement publicity firm - TAG Publicity - is now claiming both Arnel and Cain are aligned to not have Gregg appear.

https://twitter.com/TAGPublicity/status ... IqXMaKqmIQ

"Jon Cain and Arnel Pineda are refusing to take the stage if Gregg Rolie is allowed to perform on the Journey 50th Anniversary Freedom Tour 2023. Your thoughts?"

I have a really hard time believing Arnel would refuse to share the stage with ANYONE.......the dude seems like a genuinely great guy that is still just really happy to be there. Cain on the other hand......

[Memorex]

Neal's bargain basement publicity firm - TAG Publicity - is now claiming both Arnel and Cain are aligned to not have Gregg appear.

https://twitter.com/TAGPublicity/status ... IqXMaKqmIQ

"Jon Cain and Arnel Pineda are refusing to take the stage if Gregg Rolie is allowed to perform on the Journey 50th Anniversary Freedom Tour 2023. Your thoughts?"

I have a really hard time believing Arnel would refuse to share the stage with ANYONE.......the dude seems like a genuinely great guy that is still just really happy to be there. Cain on the other hand......

If someone is threatened, after 40 years of success in a band to have an ex member on stage - well, that's just loopy. Unless there was some personal problem between them. I'm not really emotionally attached to this version of Journey, but I do feel disappointment that basic business decisions have devolved to a public display of bitterness and resentment between these guys.

[jrnyman28]

Has Gregg Rolie addressed this anywhere? Makes you wonder what's going through his head now. Or what involvement he really wanted to have with this. The way Neal blows things up, it could have been a commitment to just one show for all we know.

Gregg replied to one story with a very cryptic choice of emoji.

[jrnyman28]

Neal (likely his wife) has stated that Jon originally refused to allow Gregg to take part at the RNRHOF.
I agree that it feels unlikely that Arnel will pick Jon over Neal on this…

[The_Noble_Cause]

Is anyone really surprised at this point that they (The Schons) are now going after Arnel?

[Monker]

Neal's bargain basement publicity firm - TAG Publicity - is now claiming both Arnel and Cain are aligned to not have Gregg appear.

https://twitter.com/TAGPublicity/status ... IqXMaKqmIQ

"Jon Cain and Arnel Pineda are refusing to take the stage if Gregg Rolie is allowed to perform on the Journey 50th Anniversary Freedom Tour 2023. Your thoughts?"

I have a really hard time believing Arnel would refuse to share the stage with ANYONE.......the dude seems like a genuinely great guy that is still just really happy to be there. Cain on the other hand......

If someone is threatened, after 40 years of success in a band to have an ex member on stage - well, that's just loopy. Unless there was some personal problem between them. I'm not really emotionally attached to this version of Journey, but I do feel disappointment that basic business decisions have devolved to a public display of bitterness and resentment between these guys.

It may simply be that Neal is making decisions and doing things on his own without Jonathan's involvement. It's NOT Neal's band. It is Freedom LLC's band...and Jonathan is a partner in the LLC. Arnel may feel the same way...who knows what is in his contract at this point...Neal needs him. If he replaces Arnel, game over.

Also, if Jonathan doesn't perform, he still gets his share of the tour revenue from the LLC. That must really infuriate Neal

[Archetype]

https://www.vanndigital.com/donald-trump-spiritual-advisor-paula-whites-grifting-whos-next/

Did she really have access to Journey's corporate card? Yikes.

Shocking if so...

The claim has now been made, so regardless of source, Cain will have to disprove.

Not quite. When a claim is made against someone, the burden of proof is on the person who is making the claim. They have to prove it is true. The accused doesn’t have a responsibility to prove an accusation isn’t true. Cain doesn’t have to do shit.

[Andrew]

Is anyone really surprised at this point that they (The Schons) are now going after Arnel?

Who said they are? Fuck you've got a hard on for Neal. Getting boring.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Who said they are? Fuck you've got a hard on for Neal. Getting boring.

Neal's wife, her assistant, and Schon's publicity firm (TAG) have all been dragging Arnel on social media. That's just the truth.

I've criticized both Cain, Paula, and Lady M on here as grifters. Meanwhile, you sound as objective as Real Music Observer. Come to think of it, Neal re-tweets you as often as him. Is that the type of journalistic company you want to be affiliated with?

[Andrew]

Who said they are? Fuck you've got a hard on for Neal. Getting boring.

Neal's wife, her assistant, and Schon's publicity firm (TAG) have all been dragging Arnel on social media. That's just the truth.

I've criticized both Paula and Lady M on here as grifters. Meanwhile, you sound as objective as Real Music Observer. Come to think of it, Neal re-tweets you nearly as often as him. Is that the type of journalistic company you want to be affiliated with?

Go fuck yourself. I'd retweet Cain but he blocked me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Go fuck yourself.

Hey, it's your legacy dude. I would not want to be associated with RMO and his dumbassery. Right now, you and Harmless Dave are Neal's 2 favorite journalists.

I'd retweet Cain but he blocked me.

Uh, you mocked Cain's wife. What did you expect?

The whole Journey situation reminds me of the classic Martin Niemoller poem "First They Came For"

First The Schons came after Ross and Smith and I said nothing, then they came after Jonathan Cain and I did not speak out, and now Arnel.....

Enough is enough.

[Andrew]

Enough is enough.

Could agree more. You’re insufferable.

[Andrew]

Don’t post pictures of that Covid denying, conspiracy theory pushing, racist hack here thanks.

And everyone is fair game. Journey is a shit show right now. But Neal has only even been cool to me, so I’ve got no reason at all to join the mob looking for blood.