This Band can Now Make a "Comeback."

[Monker]

It's so funny raading what people write when they haven't a clue..

Too funny.

Monker, take a nap on the RR tracks.

You have no clue whay's goin on. I do..

I don't believe you do either. What happened to YOUR prediction of Azoff being fired and the band managing themselves? And, YOU want to talk about somebody who hasn't a clue?

[yulog]

Thats funny, Toto had 14 top 40 hits in 10 yrs from 1978-1988 a number 1 album number 1 song their members have been a part of countless hits for other well know artist for years i'd have to believe they are a huge part of rock n roll history with all of their contributions --almost all of bands from the 80's are playing at casinos these days

[ArnelRox]

Thats funny, Toto had 14 top 40 hits in 10 yrs from 1978-1988 a number 1 album number 1 song their members have been a part of countless hits for other well know artist for years i'd have to believe they are a huge part of rock n roll history with all of their contributions --almost all of bands from the 80's are playing at casinos these days

Casinos pay well. They want people our age to go see a show & gamble before & after. It's like a corporate gig in terms of pay I hear. I heard the Hard Rock Casinos pay as good as IBM and Merck.

[ArnelRox]

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking while reading their propaganda, which is all it really is.

Let's sum this up...
They hate Augeri cuz their girlfriends and/or MNG people love him and swoon over him.
Their girlfriends, or MNG fans in general, embarrass them, repeatedly.
JSS makes them all excited because he says fuck onstage and drinks.
JSS doesn't have the Journey sound, but that's OK because he says fuck and drinks.

What the HELL is that about? It's about Perry fans so engrossed by personalities that they forget it's REALLY about the music. Morons.

Oh, and let's don't forget the Dean propaganda...of getting them good seats and passes, or whatever. Quite frankly, I think that's bullshit. If he can get good seats and backstage passes, why did JSS have to invite him backstage?

They are just full of shit and need a hefty dose of reality.

One thing I love about u Monker, u pick on everyone equally. Equal opportunity Monker-bash.

But it really is about the music. Augeri can't sing anymore. He lost his voice. Even when he could sing (& I've said before he had a nice voice then) he was no Perry. Sorry. Perry has one of the greatest voices of all time. He sang the songs that made Journey famous which are the roadmaps of my life. Forgive me for loving him for that. He is sacred to me. So is Freddie Mercury. No one can replace him either. That's my reality. It may not be yours. But it's mine & I'm entitled to it.

Why am I even responding? No doubt it will tempt u to just write more.

[fred_journeyman]

One thing I love about u Monker, u pick on everyone equally. Equal opportunity Monker-bash.

So are a number of people on this forum. Seems they live for it.

But it really is about the music. Augeri can't sing anymore. He lost his voice. Even when he could sing (& I've said before he had a nice voice then) he was no Perry. Sorry.

No apology necessary. I'm sure Augeri would tell you he was no Perry either. Then again, the band didn't intend to hire another Perry, IMO. They chose to hire someone who sounded similar and BECAUSE of that, was able to do some amount of justice to the songs.

Perry has one of the greatest voices of all time. He sang the songs that made Journey famous which are the roadmaps of my life. Forgive me for loving him for that. He is sacred to me. So is Freddie Mercury. No one can replace him either. That's my reality. It may not be yours. But it's mine & I'm entitled to it.

Yes, he did have one of the greatest voices of all time. I'm sorry he's sacred to you though, but that's your choice. To me, he was/is an extremely talented man, who is just like the rest of us...human.

Without Neal, Jon and the guys, we never would have heard about Steve Perry. You can try to argue (as has been done many times before) that without Perry, we wouldn't have heard from Journey either. However, there is much more in favor of the former, as opposed to the latter argument. Nonetheless, NONE of this negates the talent of ALL the men involved, not just Perry.

[Rockindeano]

I don't believe you do either. What happened to YOUR prediction of Azoff being fired and the band managing themselves? And, YOU want to talk about somebody who hasn't a clue?

What? Don't believe me? You need to wait until the tour is over to see if I am right or not.

[Matthew]

Styx has had alot more time to make an impression here in the US.
They have toured themselves to death!
Meanwhile Toto has veered away from the States like the plague.
Typical duplicitous Monker bullshit.
Go work for Fox News.

Nobody in the US gives a crap about Toto. They're a 'has been' band that haven't been worth shit for over fifteen years.

Predicated on what?
You've yet to even see JSS in action.
You sound like those Perryzealots that prophesized the demise of the band yearly as they went out on succesful tours with Augeri.

As I said...it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to replace someone like Steve Perry TWICE. You can find PLENTY of examples of doing it once, but not twice.

Okay...as well as Black Sabbath and Toto...we can add...Rainbow.

Admittedly, these changes happened between 1978-1981...but it still disproves your statement that there isn't "a single band" who has changed their frontman twice in a successful way.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Admittedly, these changes happened between 1978-1981...but it still disproves your statement that there isn't "a single band" who has changed their frontman twice in a successful way.

What about Menudo??????

[Matthew]

One thing I love about u Monker, u pick on everyone equally. Equal opportunity Monker-bash.

So are a number of people on this forum. Seems they live for it.

But it really is about the music. Augeri can't sing anymore. He lost his voice. Even when he could sing (& I've said before he had a nice voice then) he was no Perry. Sorry.

No apology necessary. I'm sure Augeri would tell you he was no Perry either. Then again, the band didn't intend to hire another Perry, IMO. They chose to hire someone who sounded similar and BECAUSE of that, was able to do some amount of justice to the songs.

Perry has one of the greatest voices of all time. He sang the songs that made Journey famous which are the roadmaps of my life. Forgive me for loving him for that. He is sacred to me. So is Freddie Mercury. No one can replace him either. That's my reality. It may not be yours. But it's mine & I'm entitled to it.

Yes, he did have one of the greatest voices of all time. I'm sorry he's sacred to you though, but that's your choice. To me, he was/is an extremely talented man, who is just like the rest of us...human.

Without Neal, Jon and the guys, we never would have heard about Steve Perry. You can try to argue (as has been done many times before) that without Perry, we wouldn't have heard from Journey either. However, there is much more in favor of the former, as opposed to the latter argument. Nonetheless, NONE of this negates the talent of ALL the men involved, not just Perry.

Well, we'll never know if The Babys would have gone on to world domination in the mid-80s - but what we do know is that Jonathan Cain has enjoyed limited success in his career when he hasn't worked with Perry. As for Schon...again, his work without Perry has enjoyed minor success at best.

Sure, Journey rescued Perry from the turkey farm but all the evidence from 1977 onwards suggests that it was the Voice who had the midas touch.

[Matthew]

Admittedly, these changes happened between 1978-1981...but it still disproves your statement that there isn't "a single band" who has changed their frontman twice in a successful way.

What about Menudo??????

Who are Menudo?


I've thought of another one....Pink Floyd. Barret in the 60s, Waters in the 70s, Gilmour in the 80s.

[Aaron]

Deano,

Welcome back. Hey, I've thinking about this for quite some time. If Journey can now make waves then why wasn't SS a commercial success. Lets face it, Journey is now SS with JSS, Neal and Dean. Cain and Ross in, Marco out. I don't see a whole lot of difference at this stage so why can Journey now make waves when SS didn't do shit? Neal was even bent about the SS deal loosing a shit pot of money. So what's different? I'm not trying to be an ass but I don't think Cain or Ross will drive that much difference. So why bro?

L8r,

Aaron

[fred_journeyman]

Well, we'll never know if The Babys would have gone on to world domination in the mid-80s - but what we do know is that Jonathan Cain has enjoyed limited success in his career when he hasn't worked with Perry.

Cain had more success with the Babys than Perry did prior to joining Journey.

As for Schon...again, his work without Perry has enjoyed minor success at best.

You say to-ma-toe...I say to-mah-toe

Sure, Journey rescued Perry from the turkey farm but all the evidence from 1977 onwards suggests that it was the Voice who had the midas touch.

I don't agree with that. Taking nothing away from Perry's vocal ability, had not Cain written a large portion of ESCAPE, Perry would not have had those songs to sing to. Yes, Perry's talent is a force to be reckoned with, however Cain's writing ability equals that (at least on ESCAPE).

Unfortunately for Perry, he didn't seem to possess the same "midas touch" that you refer to when he went on his own.

[Matthew]

Well, we'll never know if The Babys would have gone on to world domination in the mid-80s - but what we do know is that Jonathan Cain has enjoyed limited success in his career when he hasn't worked with Perry.

Cain had more success with the Babys than Perry did prior to joining Journey.

As for Schon...again, his work without Perry has enjoyed minor success at best.

You say to-ma-toe...I say to-mah-toe

Sure, Journey rescued Perry from the turkey farm but all the evidence from 1977 onwards suggests that it was the Voice who had the midas touch.

I don't agree with that. Taking nothing away from Perry's vocal ability, had not Cain written a large portion of ESCAPE, Perry would not have had those songs to sing to. Yes, Perry's talent is a force to be reckoned with, however Cain's writing ability equals that (at least on ESCAPE).

Unfortunately for Perry, he didn't seem to possess the same "midas touch" that you refer to when he went on his own.

Well, "Oh Sherrie" got to number 3 and the Street Talk album was also a huge hit. But yes...there was no midas touch on FLOTSM...although it did return on TBF to some extent...certainly in comparison to Schon and Cain's efforts with Journey afterwards.

I'm not trying to minimize Cain's song-writing abilities - but it was Perry who made his songs a success. Other singers - such as Waite and Augeri - sang Cain songs too...and the response of the public was fairly indifferent.

[Monker]

But it really is about the music. Augeri can't sing anymore. He lost his voice. Even when he could sing (& I've said before he had a nice voice then) he was no Perry.

And, in thread of posts, I did not see ANY that said that JSS had an awesome voice. In fact, it was said that he didn't have the Journey sound. You were ONLY concentrating on how you hate Augeri fans.

Sorry. Perry has one of the greatest voices of all time. He sang the songs that made Journey famous which are the roadmaps of my life.

Well, as you said about Augeri, I'l say about Perry...Not only can he not sing like you remember, but he doesn't perform and sing anyway, and hasn't for years...So, it's all a bit irrelevant.

Forgive me for loving him for that.

I don't care if you love Perry...Taking that love and using it as a catalyst to attack Augeri and his fans is wrong, IMO...ESPECIALY when MANY Perry fans ACT IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

He is sacred to me. So is Freddie Mercury.

Well, Freddy is dead and Perry doesn't sing...So, when you judge other singers, judge by how they SING AND PERFORM, not by how their fans act.

Why am I even responding? No doubt it will tempt u to just write more.

Yep, I post with the most, babe.

[Monker]

I don't believe you do either. What happened to YOUR prediction of Azoff being fired and the band managing themselves? And, YOU want to talk about somebody who hasn't a clue?

What? Don't believe me? You need to wait until the tour is over to see if I am right or not.

Nope...I don't believe anything you say. I think you are just somebody who knows how to bullshit. 90% of what you say is BS...and you get by with it because of the 10% that turns out to be true...I'm not going to take the time to try to discern what part of your stories is BS and what is true...I choose to not believe ANY of it.

If you want to get away with a lie, surround it with truth. I know that game and it doesn't work with me.

[Monker]

Styx has had alot more time to make an impression here in the US.
They have toured themselves to death!
Meanwhile Toto has veered away from the States like the plague.
Typical duplicitous Monker bullshit.
Go work for Fox News.

Nobody in the US gives a crap about Toto. They're a 'has been' band that haven't been worth shit for over fifteen years.

Predicated on what?
You've yet to even see JSS in action.
You sound like those Perryzealots that prophesized the demise of the band yearly as they went out on succesful tours with Augeri.

As I said...it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to replace someone like Steve Perry TWICE. You can find PLENTY of examples of doing it once, but not twice.

Okay...as well as Black Sabbath and Toto...we can add...Rainbow.

Admittedly, these changes happened between 1978-1981...but it still disproves your statement that there isn't "a single band" who has changed their frontman twice in a successful way.

Rainbow? Please. You guys are really stretching.


Lets put this back in context: This 'challenge' came about because some moron said Journey could now make a big comeback. I say that is IMPOSSIBLE. I say it is impossible because they are replacing Perry twice and are a 30yr old band. There is NOWHERE for Journey to go now but down...no matter who is singing. I say they are going to be performing the same venues as Styx two tours from now.

And, this is the full text of my 'challenge':

Name some bands that have been around for 30+yrs who have replaced their version of Perry, and then replaced that replacement, and are still selling even 5,000 seats or release albums with ANY measure of success. It doesn't happen....

In response to this, you people have brought up Toto, which are ALREADY where I think Journey is going to be soon. And, you bring up Sabbath, which I doubt would be ANYWHERE unless Ozzy is with them. Now you its RAINBOW? I doubt they are even as well off as Toto.

THESE are the examples of how well off Journey is going to be? LOL...THAT is laughable.

[squirt1]

Uncle Joe Benson disagrees with your assessment of the condition of Perry's voice. I mean recently. You have always had an agenda. Isn't there corn festivals to attend in August in IA ?

[r@y]

Hey Monker,

TOTO is a 'has been' band..???

They're packing in the crowd in every other continent except USA...!

They're still making records and touring for many, many years now....

They don't NEED to do this cos of the money ( they obviously dont do venues that dont make them money of course ), but more so for the love of playing music....

Y'all can say what you want, TOTO were not called 'collectively the most talented musicians on the planet' for nothing...

They burst into the scene in '77 and now, almost 30 years later, still make music with most of the core members intact...


Ray

[Monker]

Uncle Joe Benson disagrees with your assessment of the condition of Perry's voice. I mean recently. You have always had an agenda. Isn't there corn festivals to attend in August in IA ?

It's funny. When Joe Benson says something about Perry, it's fact...When he said Augeri wasn't lipsynching, he is a friend of the band and he's biased and you should believe everything he says.

I don't care what he says, Perry will never perform live again.

As for corn festivals...I don't know. Look them. If there are, let Journey know so they can book them in a couple years.

[Monker]

Hey Monker,

TOTO is a 'has been' band..???

They're packing in the crowd in every other continent except USA...!

In the US, they ABSOLUTELY are.

[quoet]
They're still making records and touring for many, many years now....
[/quote]

And, their efforts have resulted in WHAT in the US? About as much as Generations?

They don't NEED to do this cos of the money ( they obviously dont do venues that dont make them money of course ), but more so for the love of playing music....

Irrelevant. I'm asking you to find a band who is as big, or bigger, then Journey is today...not some band that makes a lot of money.

Y'all can say what you want, TOTO were not called 'collectively the most talented musicians on the planet' for nothing...

Don't care...You can say the same thing about a lot of bands. I would say even a band like Yes kicks Toto's ass in that category.

But, it's irrelevant anyway...The Monkey's once made a big comeback...and they are not exactly the most talented group ever assembled.

They burst into the scene in '77 and now, almost 30 years later, still make music with most of the core members intact...

Blah, blah, blah...30yrs later they are playing free concerts at casinos...the same venues as Styx. Exactly where Journey is headed.

[Shadowsong]

Never say never
To say never is to doom oneself to even the faintest possibility
I sure would not like to live my life in a world of never ending never
Only Michael Jackson perhaps could be happy in Never Never Land


PS: I liked Rainbow, they had some songs I really liked
etc Street Of Dreams
Just becasue they weren't mainstream
doesn't take away from the quality.

Alot of crap that charts is just publicity

[r@y]

Don't care...You can say the same thing about a lot of bands. I would say even a band like Yes kicks Toto's ass in that category.


Blah, blah, blah...30yrs later they are playing free concerts at casinos...the same venues as Styx. Exactly where Journey is headed.

I can't believe I am engaging in any form of discussion with someone who says this....

YES kicks Toto's ass...?? ( No disrespect to Yes, they ARE a good band ) Lets see, how many of these names i.e -Anderson, Wakeman, Squire, Howe or Rabin- do you see appearing on more than half of the records coming out of LA ( all kinds of genre's by the way) for one and a half decades...?? Yeah, YES definitely kicks Toto's ass..!

Can someone on this board please let me know when was the last time they went to a FREE Toto concert at a casino..?

You are a riot, Monks...!!


Ray

[Rockindeano]

Easy big fella. Didn't I tell you about Toto's dark secret? Shhh, don't let Mac hear this.

Yes are a bunch of technical genius's. Big whoppdie shit. The entire crowd at Arrowfest 4 years ago fell asleep.

Toto is a technical Journey, and they have their skeletons.

Journey is alive and kicking, and with a heartbeat.

[r@y]

Easy big fella. Didn't I tell you about Toto's dark secret? Shhh, don't let Mac hear this.

Yes are a bunch of technical genius's. Big whoppdie shit. The entire crowd at Arrowfest 4 years ago fell asleep.

Toto is a technical Journey, and they have their skeletons.

Journey is alive and kicking, and with a heartbeat.

Nah, I'm fine...

Yes, you did...and even tho I trust your homework....I still feel something doesn't check out and that you could probably be, as much as you hate it, wrong...

We need to talk more about that, dude...

Will PM ya...


Ray

[The_Noble_Cause]

As I said...it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to replace someone like Steve Perry TWICE. You can find PLENTY of examples of doing it once, but not twice.

Depends.
Some would argue that the band hasn't been succesful replacing Steve Perry even ONCE. Especially if record sales are anything to go by.
Personally, I believe the touring revenue will not suffer one bit w/out Augeri.
People come to hear the catalog, stupid.

[Matthew]

Styx has had alot more time to make an impression here in the US.
They have toured themselves to death!
Meanwhile Toto has veered away from the States like the plague.
Typical duplicitous Monker bullshit.
Go work for Fox News.

Nobody in the US gives a crap about Toto. They're a 'has been' band that haven't been worth shit for over fifteen years.

Predicated on what?
You've yet to even see JSS in action.
You sound like those Perryzealots that prophesized the demise of the band yearly as they went out on succesful tours with Augeri.

As I said...it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to replace someone like Steve Perry TWICE. You can find PLENTY of examples of doing it once, but not twice.

Okay...as well as Black Sabbath and Toto...we can add...Rainbow.

Admittedly, these changes happened between 1978-1981...but it still disproves your statement that there isn't "a single band" who has changed their frontman twice in a successful way.

Rainbow? Please. You guys are really stretching.


Lets put this back in context: This 'challenge' came about because some moron said Journey could now make a big comeback. I say that is IMPOSSIBLE. I say it is impossible because they are replacing Perry twice and are a 30yr old band. There is NOWHERE for Journey to go now but down...no matter who is singing. I say they are going to be performing the same venues as Styx two tours from now.

And, this is the full text of my 'challenge':

Name some bands that have been around for 30+yrs who have replaced their version of Perry, and then replaced that replacement, and are still selling even 5,000 seats or release albums with ANY measure of success. It doesn't happen....

In response to this, you people have brought up Toto, which are ALREADY where I think Journey is going to be soon. And, you bring up Sabbath, which I doubt would be ANYWHERE unless Ozzy is with them. Now you its RAINBOW? I doubt they are even as well off as Toto.

THESE are the examples of how well off Journey is going to be? LOL...THAT is laughable.

Ah...I missed your original question...I was responding to: "I'm asking you to find a band that replaced their version of Perry, TWICE, and continued to have success. Not "Perry-like singer". Find one - just one."

Anyway...your argument is still flawed. You're suggesting that JSS's arrival, that the hiring of a third singer will reduce Journey to the level of Toto and Styx. But hasn't Journey been at that level for a few years already? Two years ago Journey played on a cruise ship with Styx, for God's sake - and yet you talk as if Journey's status is ABOUT to decline for the first time.

I agree with you that the arrival of JSS is unlikely to lead to a major comeback. Only Perry could pull that one off. But can JSS improve a bad situation? Can Journey headline a major tour instead of opening it? Can they produce an album worth listening to? Can they put on a show where they don't simply go through the motions? Can they sustain or improve their current income from touring?

I reckon the hiring of a third singer makes all of this possible. JSS might not be able restore Journey to its former glories but he can certainly help to get the band on an upward curve to some extent.

[Chakra]

Def Leppard, Journey coming to Alltel Arena Oct. 30
You might want to read up on Matt Smith's blog entries from Colorado, Red Rocks and the Def Leppard/Journey tour. Def Leppard (right, photographed by Matt at Red Rocks) and Journey coming to North Little Rock's on Monday, Oct. 30, according to Def Leppard's publicity arm.

The PR arm says "Due to overwhelming demand for tickets from fans, [the bands] announce a third leg of their tour." What it means is, "We've hit all the major markets and now we're going to try to sell $75 tickets in the medium-sized places." The PR firm did rightfully call it one of the hottest tours of the summer, since there isn't a whole lot out there anyway. Poison and Cinderella anyone?

Matt said Def Leppard rocked and he loved their portion of the show, and Matt's word is gold in our book. I'm looking forward to Def Leppard, not so much Journey, which only managed to do about 1,800 or so at a Riverfest Amphiteatre show in 2002. I mean, it ain't Steve Perry, and for the time being they don't even have the singer whose name rhymes with his predecessor (Steve Augeri, who developed a throat problem a few weeks back). But I do want to rock to "Photograph" and all the other Def Leppard hits.

Tickets are expected to go on sale Sept. 23 through the usual outlets, Ticketmaster or the arena box office.

More good Def Leppard PR via the PR office:

2006 has been a watershed year for Def Leppard who have found themselves back on top with not only an in-demand concert tour, but a critically acclaimed covers album entitled YEAH!, which hit stores on May 23rd. The album, a clever tribute to the band’s musical heroes of the late 60’s and 70’s, was called “Great fun… their collective taste is what raises this album above the spate of recent covers collections” by USA Today, while the San Francisco Chronicle said “CD of the year? No, CD of the century!” The release of the album coincided with a slew of high-profile television performances on The Tonight Show With Jay Leno and Live With Regis & Kelly, as well as receiving accolades on VH1’s first ever Rock Honors award shows.

With more than 65 million albums sold worldwide, Def Leppard – Joe Elliott (vocals), Vivian Campbell (guitar), Phil Collen (guitar), Rick “Sav” Savage (bass) and Rick Allen (drums) – is one of the most continuously exciting and important forces in rock music. Over the course of their career, the band has produced a series of classic groundbreaking albums that set the sound for generations of music fans and artist, establishing them as Great Britain's premiere arena rock band. Their spectacular live shows are filled with powerful melodic rock anthems that have become synonymous with their name, and they are an institution in the touring industry as they continue to sell out arenas worldwide. Def Leppard has also been honored in the U.S. by the RIAA with two prestigious Diamond Awards for their albums HYSTERIA and PYROMANIA. The Diamond Award recognizes sales of over 10 million, a feat not many bands and only a handful of British artists have been able to achieve (The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Elton John, Eric Clapton).

Posted by Jim Harris on August 21, 2006 04:54 PM

[jrnyman28]

Def Leppard, Journey coming to Alltel Arena Oct. 30
You might want to read up on Matt Smith's blog entries from Colorado, Red Rocks and the Def Leppard/Journey tour.......Matt said Def Leppard rocked and he loved their portion of the show, and Matt's word is gold in our book. I'm looking forward to Def Leppard, not so much Journey, which only managed to do about 1,800 or so at a Riverfest Amphiteatre show in 2002. I mean, it ain't Steve Perry, and for the time being they don't even have the singer whose name rhymes with his predecessor (Steve Augeri, who developed a throat problem a few weeks back). But I do want to rock to "Photograph" and all the other Def Leppard hits.

Do you have a link for this blog? Since I was at the Red Rocks show, I would like to read what he has to say. I am pretty open but I am willing to bet you will see bias on my review and on his.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I agree with you that the arrival of JSS is unlikely to lead to a major comeback. Only Perry could pull that one off. But can JSS improve a bad situation?

Will JSS restore the band back to it's 80's arena-kings heyday?
Of course not.
Nothing short of divine intervention could possibly do that.
However, he will keep the Journey moving along.
Same as Augeri did.

Anyone who claims Augeri's absence will severely hurt ticket sales overestimates Augeri's brand name allure and also clearly doesn't understand the mindset of the average Journey concertgoer.
It's all about the catalog, blockheads.

[A Fire Inside]

Everyone here knows I like Augeri a lot, but even I doubt sales will differ much without him.

It IS all about the catalogue. The Hits catalog. If they make new music with JSS, it won't do well in concert.