OT: SADDAM IS DEAD

[Rockindeano]

and how can you take something like that seriously that didn't involve ANYONE with any actual military experience.

That same sentence can be applied to thre president, Vice president and Wolfowitz. NO military service, yet we should take them seriously?

[conversationpc]

and how can you take something like that seriously that didn't involve ANYONE with any actual military experience.

That same sentence can be applied to thre president, Vice president and Wolfowitz. NO military service, yet we should take them seriously?

Can't argue with that, however they are actually in a position with some actual decision making power.

[Rockindeano]

Can't argue with that, however they are actually in a position with some actual decision making power.

You just made my point while making one yourself.

They have no real credibility, yet don't need any either.

[conversationpc]

Can't argue with that, however they are actually in a position with some actual decision making power.

You just made my point while making one yourself.

They have no real credibility, yet don't need any either.

Of course, I made your point. I was conceding that you were right.

[Rockindeano]

Of course, I made your point. I was conceding that you were right.

Oh CP, say that again, although this time, do it with feeling. I may just climax this time.

[conversationpc]

Of course, I made your point. I was conceding that you were right.

Oh CP, say that again, although this time, do it with feeling. I may just climax this time.

<-------- Deano while reading my posts.

[The_Noble_Cause]

...and your so-called opinions are really nothing different than the socialists in congress who've been parroting those same talking points for the last couple years or so.

Most of what I've stated hasn't been opinion.
The Neo-Cons REALLY did come out against the war, the invasion really is a violation of international law, Bush really is a pretzel choking imbecile etc.

It would be preferable if the irreparable mess we are in was ONLY an opinion.

I swear allegiance only to my God and my country.

Oh, you mean this fork-tongued jack o' lantern head?

In the same way, the war in Vietname was micromanaged from the White House instead of by the Generals on the actual field of battle. We would've taken care of business just like we could have done in Iraq if the armchair quarterbacks in the administration and Pentagon would take more of a hands-off approach.

To be perfectly honest, I stopped caring about three pages back.

[Rockindeano]

In the same way, the war in Vietname was micromanaged from the White House instead of by the Generals on the actual field of battle. We would've taken care of business just like we could have done in Iraq if the armchair quarterbacks in the administration and Pentagon would take more of a hands-off approach.

Great point. Bush 41 did an excellent job in his round with Iraq; allowing Schwarzkopft to his job.

[conversationpc]

Most of what I've stated hasn't been opinion.
The Neo-Cons REALLY did come out against the war, the invasion really is a violation of international law, Bush really is a pretzel choking imbecile etc.

Who cares if it's against international law? Hussein and other Iraqi leaders were aware that hostilities could resume, since it was only a cease fire, at any time if they violated the U.N. mandates. They violated them many times and were given many chances, too many actually, and paid the consequences. So, considering that, I don't see where it violated international law.

Oh, you mean this fork-tongued jack o' lantern head?

I can't stand Rush Limbaugh. I've listened to his show maybe three or four times, if that. I tried to start listening to it again a few months ago, listened to it once, and never turned it on again.

Heck, I don't even listen to Hannity's show anymore, for that matter. The only one I listen to on a full-time basis is Glenn Beck and, occasionally, Neal Boortz.

[Rockindeano]

Amazing how good ol Rush was doctor shopping, receiving pain meds from many different scripts, taking hundreds a week, and poof! No charges.....

[donnaplease]

I actually like this guy...



He's funny as hell!!!

[conversationpc]

I actually like this guy...



He's funny as hell!!!

Unlike Hannity, Limbaugh, and some of the others, I get the feeling that Beck is at least honest with his listeners, plus he's a hell of a lot more entertaining. His gloatfest show from the day after the 2004 election was what made me a fan and now it's the only show that I don't miss every day.

[Rockindeano]

CP, you don't miss Beck's show? Hmm, maybe now I see where we are different. I never miss Stern's show.

[conversationpc]

CP, you don't miss Beck's show? Hmm, maybe now I see where we are different. I never miss Stern's show.

I listen to it every day. The only time I ever turn it off before the show's over is if he has a guest host.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

That’s right.
Blame Deano, blame me - blame everyone under the sun except for the very man whom the BAND fired and deemed insufficient to front any longer.

I haven't placed blame however you and others - particularly Deano - have taken 100% credit.

I'm not concerned with his blood, I'm concerned with legality and an unprecedented, unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.

It's all a matter of perception. As far as I can tell we didn't invade a country sovereign or otherwise. We took Saddam out. When crimes against humanity are committed then being sovereign is thrown out the window along with any other "rights".

Here's a guy who's been convicted BY HIS OWN PEOPLE of crimes against humanity. He also "tried to kill George Bush" and whether you have a problem with how or why that was said by George Jr. it doesn't detract from the fact that Saddam was a THREAT to OUR PRESIDENT and country. He played cat/mouse with us and the UN for years and thumbed his nose at the world.

Add it up and spin it however you like. The bottom line is that a TYRANT has been dealt with and the world is a better place.

I say, "NEXT!"

The contrast in your concerns is entirely puzzling. This was the point of my response which you've evaded. You've shown more concern and outrage about someone lip synching than you have about a LUNATIC TYRANT who's committed some REAL sins.

[Rockindeano]

I say, "NEXT!"
.

Great.

Now let's see your sorry ass go enlist and take your passion to the battlefield.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I say, "NEXT!"
.

Great.

Now let's see your sorry ass go enlist and take your passion to the battlefield.

Gladly. Unfortunately, I'm in no condition for the battlefield. Never have been - or so the military has deemed me. I'd gladly remove the steel plates from my spine and seek miracle cures for other physical ailments that I have.

At least my sorry ass has clear priorities.

Why don't you start a blog to impeach Bush? Come on - you want to affect change so much. Why not change something THAT MATTERS?

We have a military to keep us SAFE and to maintain our way of life. We can't be afraid to deploy our military for these reasons.

[Rockindeano]

Oh he we go. I am more than ready to combat your ass.

Bush should be impeached. However, why would I as a Democrat want to piss off the undecided electorate we need to get the Whitehouse by putting the country through a lot of bullshit, like your party did to President Clinton over ......a blow job. 55 million dollars to get Clinton to say, "I had a blow job." THAT was stellar patriotism by the callous party that is the GOP.


Before you fuck with me on the enlisting argument, I was there. Did 4 years, 2 in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

[ohsherrie]

Oh he we go. I am more than ready to combat your ass.

Bush should be impeached. However, why would I as a Democrat want to piss off the undecided electorate we need to get the Whitehouse by putting the country through a lot of bullshit, like your party did to President Clinton over ......a blow job. 55 million dollars to get Clinton to say, "I had a blow job." THAT was stellar patriotism by the callous party that is the GOP.


Before you fuck with me on the enlisting argument, I was there. Did 4 years, 2 in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

and there ya go.

[Granny]

Oh he we go. I am more than ready to combat your ass.

Bush should be impeached. However, why would I as a Democrat want to piss off the undecided electorate we need to get the Whitehouse by putting the country through a lot of bullshit, like your party did to President Clinton over ......a blow job. 55 million dollars to get Clinton to say, "I had a blow job." THAT was stellar patriotism by the callous party that is the GOP.


Before you fuck with me on the enlisting argument, I was there. Did 4 years, 2 in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Deano is our hero in many ways....

[Mark H]

Oh he we go. I am more than ready to combat your ass.

Bush should be impeached. However, why would I as a Democrat want to piss off the undecided electorate we need to get the Whitehouse by putting the country through a lot of bullshit, like your party did to President Clinton over ......a blow job. 55 million dollars to get Clinton to say, "I had a blow job." THAT was stellar patriotism by the callous party that is the GOP.


Before you fuck with me on the enlisting argument, I was there. Did 4 years, 2 in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

I did 6 months in Iraq in the early 90s when we were still touchy feely with Saddam.

What a shithole - my undelying memory was how up market it was in a straight line from the airport to the hotel/embassy district in Baghdad, but stray a 100 yards off that straight line and it was like a Mogadishu.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I haven't placed blame however you and others - particularly Deano - have taken 100% credit.

As someone who keenly understands what went down, I would never have done that.
Many, many, variables were involved.
I was the first guy on this forum to recklessly open my yammer about lipsynching.
That much is true.
It is also true that Deano was the impetus that allows for Jeff to be there today.
That's not my dogmatic thoughts or Deano's, that actually comes straight from the mouth of a band member.

it doesn't detract from the fact that Saddam was a THREAT to OUR PRESIDENT and country.

A doctrine of preemptive war pivots on the magnitude of the threat a nation poses.

As a leaked classified British Intelligence memo (prior to the war) aptly stated, "Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran." and "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

Add it up and spin it however you like. The bottom line is that a TYRANT has been dealt with and the world is a better place.

I'm not the one spinning like some epileptic Chanukah dreidel.
The National Intelligence Estimate clearly stated that this Iraq folly has caused more terrorism, not less.
Why are you even entering the fray when you're not equipped with the most basic of facts?
Or, do you take after Dubya, and simply go on gut-instinct alone?

The contrast in your concerns is entirely puzzling. This was the point of my response which you've evaded.

Because its sooo nonsensical I don't want to stoop to dignifying it.
Plus, I want to save you from further embarassment by calling attention to it.
According to your harebrained logic, because Saddam was a bad man, I am prohibited from being irked about anything in my life (including my favorite band)?

It's one of the internet's cheapest, laziest arguments, second only to playing "the race card" or "the bad grammar/spelling card".

It can just as easily be turned around and used on you:

People are starving all over the world right this very instant, FYRE.
Why are you more aggressive in trading quips with me, instead of staving world poverty?
Moreover, somewhere in your city, a person is probably getting carjacked.
Why are your hackles in an uproar over me, instead of the soaring crime rates in your suburban community?

You've shown more concern and outrage about someone lip synching than you have about a LUNATIC TYRANT who's committed some REAL sins.

How can you gauge how politically active I am in my day-to-day life from this forum.
I come here to discuss the band, Journey, not to influence policy.
Your argument is shit. Stop yanking my crank.

[Rockindeano]

but stray a 100 yards off that straight line and it was like a Mogadishu.

Hey Mark. No offense, but nothing is like Mogadishu. Baghdad is like paradise compared to that shitheap. Bakara Market is insane.

[Scarab Pilot]

Can I just say a sincere "Thank you" to everyone here who has served our military. Desipte where everyone falls politically, I just want you all to know I am proud of your service and thank you for your selflessness shown for our country.

You guys rock.

[Mark H]

but stray a 100 yards off that straight line and it was like a Mogadishu.

Hey Mark. No offense, but nothing is like Mogadishu. Baghdad is like paradise compared to that shitheap. Bakara Market is insane.

Non taken - Was just trying to get the point across about how much money had been spent to create a illusion of wealth to the passing foreign masses whilst the rest of the place was a total shambles and that was before we bombed the hell out of the place.....twice. Dare say its all in need of a bit of renovation at the moment.

Mogadishu - not had the pleasure of that particular shithole and if Black Hawk Down is anywhere close to reality I'd rather pass thank you.

[Jeremey fan forever]

and how can you take something like that seriously that didn't involve ANYONE with any actual military experience.

That same sentence can be applied to thre president, Vice president and Wolfowitz. NO military service, yet we should take them seriously?

Fuck no! That would be like having a heart surgeon who never had bypass.

[conversationpc]

and how can you take something like that seriously that didn't involve ANYONE with any actual military experience.

That same sentence can be applied to thre president, Vice president and Wolfowitz. NO military service, yet we should take them seriously?

Fuck no! That would be like having a heart surgeon who never had bypass.

Don't you mean "performed" a bypass?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Oh he we go. I am more than ready to combat your ass.

Bush should be impeached. However, why would I as a Democrat want to piss off the undecided electorate we need to get the Whitehouse by putting the country through a lot of bullshit, like your party did to President Clinton over ......a blow job. 55 million dollars to get Clinton to say, "I had a blow job." THAT was stellar patriotism by the callous party that is the GOP.


Before you fuck with me on the enlisting argument, I was there. Did 4 years, 2 in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

My party...? You presume to know what my party is. What a presumption!!!

Thanks for serving your country. Although I couldn't join the military I do what I can daily to serve my family and community. I like how you try to hang your service over my head. Go try to demean someone else. I'm entirely unaffected by your comments as you simply have no idea who you're talking down to.

That's your problem. You talk DOWN TO people instead of EQUALLY WITH them. Bringing up the enlistment smack was you - not me.

If you want to make an enemy of me - fine. You should do some intelligence first before you charge ahead otherwise your attacks are based on misinformation just like the info about WMD that fooled us and the rest of the world.

[conversationpc]

Oh he we go. I am more than ready to combat your ass.

Bush should be impeached. However, why would I as a Democrat want to piss off the undecided electorate we need to get the Whitehouse by putting the country through a lot of bullshit, like your party did to President Clinton over ......a blow job. 55 million dollars to get Clinton to say, "I had a blow job." THAT was stellar patriotism by the callous party that is the GOP.


Before you fuck with me on the enlisting argument, I was there. Did 4 years, 2 in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

My party...? You presume to know what my party is. What a presumption!!!

Thanks for serving your country. Although I couldn't join the military I do what I can daily to serve my family and community. I like how you try to hang your service over my head. Go try to demean someone else. I'm entirely unaffected by your comments as you simply have no idea who you're talking down to.

That's your problem. You talk DOWN TO people instead of EQUALLY WITH them. Bringing up the enlistment smack was you - not me.

If you want to make an enemy of me - fine. You should do some intelligence first before you charge ahead otherwise your attacks are based on misinformation just like the info about WMD that fooled us and the rest of the world.

Since the subject was brought up...I figured you to be more of a liberal Republican or perhaps a Libertarian. Am I wrong?

[ohsherrie]

and how can you take something like that seriously that didn't involve ANYONE with any actual military experience.

That same sentence can be applied to thre president, Vice president and Wolfowitz. NO military service, yet we should take them seriously?

Fuck no! That would be like having a heart surgeon who never had bypass.

Don't you mean "performed" a bypass?

Or somebody who partied instead of going to do his military duty and then lied about it and got his dad's clout to help him cover it up?