New Rolling Stone Article: Sad 'Journey' For New Singer

[Blueskies]

This is exactly a lot of what I had to fear...when a band member tells you that kids don't need their dad until their at least 4 or 5 years old, that's a real red flag.

Wow. I must say that I have the absolute privilage of working from home and have had the profound joy of seeing btoh my first 2 kids take their first crawl and their first steps and haven't missed one birthday, special event or part of their development. And I'm richer in spirit for that.

I can relate to Arnel and your good self Jeremey 100%. My sincere best wishes to Arnel and his family for the rest of the tour.

Andrew, like you...I've had the same good fortune to watch my kids grow up. Quiting the web business in 04, returning to school, and pursuing a new career over the past 4 years has given me alot more time at home...and that has allowed me to watch my son grow up to almost 6 and my daughter to grow to almost 3. I wouldn't have missed this for a lead guitarist spot in Journey, Van Halen, Whitesnake, etc....

Yeah...me either Frank. So much bloody work, but endless joy too (except at 4am this morning when my 8 week old decided it was time to kick about and have a laugh...)

Love the new sig!

Not singling you two out, but I laugh how no one in this thread says they're glad to spend the extra time with the wife.

if you had one you ld know what they mean{if ya know what I mean}

I know what you mean, I will have a full analysis of this situation in a bit.

If you mean by that you are getting married soon then congratulations!

[Tito]

This is exactly a lot of what I had to fear...when a band member tells you that kids don't need their dad until their at least 4 or 5 years old, that's a real red flag.

Wow. I must say that I have the absolute privilage of working from home and have had the profound joy of seeing btoh my first 2 kids take their first crawl and their first steps and haven't missed one birthday, special event or part of their development. And I'm richer in spirit for that.

I can relate to Arnel and your good self Jeremey 100%. My sincere best wishes to Arnel and his family for the rest of the tour.

Andrew, like you...I've had the same good fortune to watch my kids grow up. Quiting the web business in 04, returning to school, and pursuing a new career over the past 4 years has given me alot more time at home...and that has allowed me to watch my son grow up to almost 6 and my daughter to grow to almost 3. I wouldn't have missed this for a lead guitarist spot in Journey, Van Halen, Whitesnake, etc....

Yeah...me either Frank. So much bloody work, but endless joy too (except at 4am this morning when my 8 week old decided it was time to kick about and have a laugh...)

Love the new sig!

Not singling you two out, but I laugh how no one in this thread says they're glad to spend the extra time with the wife.

if you had one you ld know what they mean{if ya know what I mean}

I know what you mean, I will have a full analysis of this situation in a bit.

If you mean by that you are getting married soon then congratulations!

NO!!! After rereading my post, I could see that I poorly wrote it. I can see the confusion. I meant I will put my 2 cents on this subjuect later.

[Blueskies]

This is exactly a lot of what I had to fear...when a band member tells you that kids don't need their dad until their at least 4 or 5 years old, that's a real red flag.

Wow. I must say that I have the absolute privilage of working from home and have had the profound joy of seeing btoh my first 2 kids take their first crawl and their first steps and haven't missed one birthday, special event or part of their development. And I'm richer in spirit for that.

I can relate to Arnel and your good self Jeremey 100%. My sincere best wishes to Arnel and his family for the rest of the tour.

Andrew, like you...I've had the same good fortune to watch my kids grow up. Quiting the web business in 04, returning to school, and pursuing a new career over the past 4 years has given me alot more time at home...and that has allowed me to watch my son grow up to almost 6 and my daughter to grow to almost 3. I wouldn't have missed this for a lead guitarist spot in Journey, Van Halen, Whitesnake, etc....

Yeah...me either Frank. So much bloody work, but endless joy too (except at 4am this morning when my 8 week old decided it was time to kick about and have a laugh...)

Love the new sig!

Not singling you two out, but I laugh how no one in this thread says they're glad to spend the extra time with the wife.

if you had one you ld know what they mean{if ya know what I mean}

I know what you mean, I will have a full analysis of this situation in a bit.

If you mean by that you are getting married soon then congratulations!

NO!!! After rereading my post, I could see that I poorly wrote it. I can see the confusion. I meant I will put my 2 cents on this subjuect later.

aww well, then I rescend the congratulations and give you a...wish you well?

[stevew2]

This is exactly a lot of what I had to fear...when a band member tells you that kids don't need their dad until their at least 4 or 5 years old, that's a real red flag.

Wow. I must say that I have the absolute privilage of working from home and have had the profound joy of seeing btoh my first 2 kids take their first crawl and their first steps and haven't missed one birthday, special event or part of their development. And I'm richer in spirit for that.

I can relate to Arnel and your good self Jeremey 100%. My sincere best wishes to Arnel and his family for the rest of the tour.

Andrew, like you...I've had the same good fortune to watch my kids grow up. Quiting the web business in 04, returning to school, and pursuing a new career over the past 4 years has given me alot more time at home...and that has allowed me to watch my son grow up to almost 6 and my daughter to grow to almost 3. I wouldn't have missed this for a lead guitarist spot in Journey, Van Halen, Whitesnake, etc....

Yeah...me either Frank. So much bloody work, but endless joy too (except at 4am this morning when my 8 week old decided it was time to kick about and have a laugh...)

Love the new sig!

Not singling you two out, but I laugh how no one in this thread says they're glad to spend the extra time with the wife.

if you had one you ld know what they mean{if ya know what I mean}

I know what you mean, I will have a full analysis of this situation in a bit.

If you mean by that you are getting married soon then congratulations!

NO!!! After rereading my post, I could see that I poorly wrote it. I can see the confusion. I meant I will put my 2 cents on this subjuect later.

Most of your posts are worth about 2 cents lol.Damn I thought you and friga were getting hitched, getting in the old Malibu, movin back to that shit hole Franklin Park

[Tomulator]

I'm shocked that NOBODY seems to be talking about the REAL piece of perhaps "leaked" information AP let out in this interview...namely that SP "bailed Journey because he got SICK"!

Finally...sad confirmation that SP indeed lost his voice?

I think that was taglish for hip replacement.

Nah...tell me this quote from the RS interview isn't about SP's voice!

Do you think it's going to be done some day? Do you think maybe you'll quit if it's too much touring?
Well, I personally told Mr. Neal Schon that the only thing that will make me quit is if I get sick. If I can't do it anymore, then I just need to go. I guess that's the same reason Steve Perry bailed out.

AP just CONFIRMED a fact that most of us already knew...SP had physical issues that prevented him from continuing with Journey during ROR.

[Saint John]

Someone better explain to Arnel who these guys are :

http://manatt75.bgtpartners.com/newsevents.aspx?id=4789

[Tito]

I can tell I don't like L. Lee Phillips. His clients (except Perry) are sh-t heads.

That said the law firm of SJR13&T (Saint John, Red13JoePa, & Tito) would beat his ass in a court case.

[brywool]

I'm shocked that NOBODY seems to be talking about the REAL piece of perhaps "leaked" information AP let out in this interview...namely that SP "bailed Journey because he got SICK"!

Finally...sad confirmation that SP indeed lost his voice?

I think that was taglish for hip replacement.

Nah...tell me this quote from the RS interview isn't about SP's voice!

Do you think it's going to be done some day? Do you think maybe you'll quit if it's too much touring?
Well, I personally told Mr. Neal Schon that the only thing that will make me quit is if I get sick. If I can't do it anymore, then I just need to go. I guess that's the same reason Steve Perry bailed out.

AP just CONFIRMED a fact that most of us already knew...SP had physical issues that prevented him from continuing with Journey during ROR.

Right, but was it the Hip? or was it the Throat? That's the question.

[Jana]

TOMULATOR:

"AP just CONFIRMED a fact that most of us already knew...SP had physical issues that prevented him from continuing with Journey during ROR.

"


Steve Perry said why he cut short the ROR (Though they finished most of the tour). He said he was toast and he was grieving over his mother's death. Steve Perry said why he didn't tour for Trial by Fire. He needed a hip replacement. So the tour didn't happen. No big secret. Now, why he hasn't chosen to record in the last 12 years is the question.

[Michigan Girl]

TOMULATOR:

"AP just CONFIRMED a fact that most of us already knew...SP had physical issues that prevented him from continuing with Journey during ROR.

"


Steve Perry said why he cut short the ROR (Though they finished most of the tour). He said he was toast and he was grieving over his mother's death. Steve Perry said why he didn't tour for Trial by Fire. He needed a hip replacement. So the tour didn't happen. No big secret.

Oh, come on....Tommy likes to keep things interesting!!
We have to wait now~ for next weeks episode!!

[Saint John]

While Perry certainly had diminished range during ROR I would guess that his inability to tour any longer was almost certainly a combination of physical and psychological issues.

[Jana]

Michigan Girl, I went back in and added one sentence. Steve P. is so passionate about music. So that's my question. Maybe it's a combination of things. But with Journey's name out there so much right now, now would be a good time to capitalize on that with a solo album. I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

[Enigma869]

I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

It's the same reason Bill Clinton hasn't delivered a state of the union address in 8 years...It's called retirement


John from Boston

[Saint John]

I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

It's the same reason Bill Clinton hasn't delivered a state of the union address in 8 years...It's called retirement


John from Boston

You'll be hearing from him (Perry) soon...real soon. Less than 6 weeks.

[Tito]

I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

It's the same reason Bill Clinton hasn't delivered a state of the union address in 8 years...It's called retirement


John from Boston

You'll be hearing from him (Perry) soon...real soon. Less than 6 weeks.

He's singing at McCain's victory rally?

[Saint John]

I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

It's the same reason Bill Clinton hasn't delivered a state of the union address in 8 years...It's called retirement


John from Boston

You'll be hearing from him (Perry) soon...real soon. Less than 6 weeks.

He's singing at McCain's victory rally?

Not quite.

[Rick]

Michigan Girl, I went back in and added one sentence. Steve P. is so passionate about music. So that's my question. Maybe it's a combination of things. But with Journey's name out there so much right now, now would be a good time to capitalize on that with a solo album. I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

He's an outright perfectionist. I'm sure he knows that his hard core fans will be ok with anything he puts out, but I think he's afraid of what the casual fan will think. He's afraid that he'll get eaten a live by them if anything he does isn't at least as good as 1996. I'm pretty sure, since his casual fans have gotten older right along with him, they'll be as accepting as the rest of us.

Hopefully something will come from the demos that he's been working on.

[Michigan Girl]

Michigan Girl, I went back in and added one sentence. Steve P. is so passionate about music. So that's my question. Maybe it's a combination of things. But with Journey's name out there so much right now, now would be a good time to capitalize on that with a solo album. I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

Jana, my answer is very simple....I DON'T KNOW!!! But I miss him!!!

I really like JFB's answer though....he makes me LMAO!!!

[oakley_reef]

best thing to do for arnel is he must be a green card holder or get a dual citizen
then all he have to do is just marry his gf .
i heard a lot of phil girls doing that..i hhope arnel's manager can work this out.
im sad for arnel but admire of being tough and such a great guy..

[stevew2]

I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

It's the same reason Bill Clinton hasn't delivered a state of the union address in 8 years...It's called retirement


John from Boston

You'll be hearing from him (Perry) soon...real soon. Less than 6 weeks.

He's singing at McCain's victory rally?

If he does i will puke on his tails Tito.The only time he got an itch is when somebody hit Neal with a beer bottle. He was smart enough to keep politics away from music. I wish others could do the same.

[Shadowsong]

Someone better explain to Arnel who these guys are :

http://manatt75.bgtpartners.com/newsevents.aspx?id=4789

Only the best for Steve Perry.
Manhatt, Phelps & Phillips

Still might be considered a conflict of interest for LP to take AP as a client as they both are or were associated with Journey
anyway he specializes in entertainment law not immigration & divorce.

[DrFU]

I do wonder why he hasn't recorded in 12 years.

It's the same reason Bill Clinton hasn't delivered a state of the union address in 8 years...It's called retirement


John from Boston

You'll be hearing from him (Perry) soon...real soon. Less than 6 weeks.

Guest apperance at Firefest?

[Tomulator]

TOMULATOR:

"AP just CONFIRMED a fact that most of us already knew...SP had physical issues that prevented him from continuing with Journey during ROR.

"


Steve Perry said why he cut short the ROR (Though they finished most of the tour). He said he was toast and he was grieving over his mother's death. Steve Perry said why he didn't tour for Trial by Fire. He needed a hip replacement. So the tour didn't happen. No big secret. Now, why he hasn't chosen to record in the last 12 years is the question.

Yes but...my point is that AP said Perry "bailed" (meaning left on his OWN accord) because he "got sick". Now, that implies that it was the ROR tour (recall, SP initiated the ending of that tour saying he was "toast"). My point is that AP is implying that SP was sick and THAT prompted him to "bail". This was way prior to the hip thingy...

Hmmm....

[Tomulator]

TOMULATOR:

"AP just CONFIRMED a fact that most of us already knew...SP had physical issues that prevented him from continuing with Journey during ROR.

"


Steve Perry said why he cut short the ROR (Though they finished most of the tour). He said he was toast and he was grieving over his mother's death. Steve Perry said why he didn't tour for Trial by Fire. He needed a hip replacement. So the tour didn't happen. No big secret.

Oh, come on....Tommy likes to keep things interesting!!
We have to wait now~ for next weeks episode!!

[strangegrey]

While Perry certainly had diminished range during ROR I would guess that his inability to tour any longer was almost certainly a combination of physical and psychological issues.

That clearly, is your own interpretation of Perry's statements regarding it. While you may or may not be correct, let's try to get away from you stating something as fact by using phrases such as "almost certainly" in your delivery. The *most* I have heard Perry discuss regarding this, (which is no more or less than anyone else here, save for Lora....is Steve saying that he was "toast". That can be interpretted in a TON of different ways....whether "toast" is physical issues, psychological issues, both issues or none of the above....is something left to the imagination and interpretation of the listener.

I encourage people to come to their own opinions regarding this, instead of listing to your statements presented as fact, when you're as much in the dark as anyone. Perhaps, someday, Lora can give us a little more than what's already out there....but until then, no one knows for certain regarding Perry's reasons for leaving Journey in the 80s and 90s...not me, not you, not Arnel, etc,etc

TOMULATOR:

"AP just CONFIRMED a fact that most of us already knew...SP had physical issues that prevented him from continuing with Journey during ROR.

"


Steve Perry said why he cut short the ROR (Though they finished most of the tour). He said he was toast and he was grieving over his mother's death. Steve Perry said why he didn't tour for Trial by Fire. He needed a hip replacement. So the tour didn't happen. No big secret. Now, why he hasn't chosen to record in the last 12 years is the question.

Yes but...my point is that AP said Perry "bailed" (meaning left on his OWN accord) because he "got sick". Now, that implies that it was the ROR tour (recall, SP initiated the ending of that tour saying he was "toast"). My point is that AP is implying that SP was sick and THAT prompted him to "bail". This was way prior to the hip thingy...

Hmmm....

Arnel is hardly an authoritative source for this. When Steve Perry left in 97 and in 87, Arnel had zero contact with Journey, Journey's management or anyone in the US music industry.

What Arnel may or may not say and/or imply regarding these events is heresay...and his heresay is either fueled by what Fucka, Fro others within the band *told* him to say OR his own assumption into the matter.

Nothing more, nothing less.


To try to draw out the real reasons behind Perry's depature in the 80s and the 90s, from something Arnel has said (or was encouraged to say) is at the very least, silly, and the very most, dangerously idiotic.

[Andrew]

I encourage people to come to their own opinions regarding this, instead of listing to your statements presented as fact, when you're as much in the dark as anyone. Perhaps, someday, Lora can give us a little more than what's already out there....but until then, no one knows for certain regarding Perry's reasons for leaving Journey in the 80s and 90s...not me, not you, not Arnel, etc,etc

I second that.

[Saint John]

That clearly, is your own interpretation of Perry's statements regarding it. While you may or may not be correct, let's try to get away from you stating something as fact by using phrases such as "almost certainly" in your delivery. The *most* I have heard Perry discuss regarding this, (which is no more or less than anyone else here, save for Lora....is Steve saying that he was "toast". That can be interpretted in a TON of different ways....whether "toast" is physical issues, psychological issues, both issues or none of the above....is something left to the imagination and interpretation of the listener.

I encourage people to come to their own opinions regarding this, instead of listing to your statements presented as fact, when you're as much in the dark as anyone.

Actually, I was just going off of what Mr. Perry said: "I made the decision probably somewhere in the middle of that tour that I didn't think that I would want to continue after that tour ended in Anchorage, Alaska on February 1, 1987. I knew that I just had to stop. Making that last record Raised On Radio my mother died. Before that Sherrie and I had completely exploded. My life changed real quick. I knew I had to stop. It was just time."

The above statement certainly shows that there were emotional/psychological issues going on and I can throw boots up from the end of that tour where his voice is cracking and he sounds like shit at times...physical issues. Besides, he mentioned "physical issues" on more than one occasion. I stand by my original statement...his words and my ears are good enough to deduce that what I stated is "almost certainly" what transpired...he stopped because of physical and psychological issues. The "weight" of those issues can certainly be deabted...50-50, 90-10, etc, but it was a combination of the two. This isn't rocket science, Frank.

[strangegrey]

Actually, I was just going off of what Mr. Perry said: "I made the decision probably somewhere in the middle of that tour that I didn't think that I would want to continue after that tour ended in Anchorage, Alaska on February 1, 1987. I knew that I just had to stop. Making that last record Raised On Radio my mother died. Before that Sherrie and I had completely exploded. My life changed real quick. I knew I had to stop. It was just time."

The above statement certainly shows that there were emotional/psychological issues going on and I can throw boots up from the end of that tour where his voice is cracking and he sounds like shit at times...physical issues. Besides, he mentioned "physical issues" on more than one occasion. I stand by my original statement...his words and my ears are good enough to deduce that what I stated is "almost certainly" what transpired...he stopped because of physical and psychological issues. The "weight" of those issues can certainly be deabted...50-50, 90-10, etc, but it was a combination of the two. This isn't rocket science, Frank.

Actually Dan, your quote doesn't show anything. Again, you are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions as to what was going on through Perry's head during the time. You dont know and can NOT conclude from Perry's quote that there were ANY physical issues present. Hell, you can't even conclude that there were psychological issues. Just as easily as you jump to the assumption that there were physical and/or psychological, I can jump to an assumption that Perry had issues with Sherrie (based on his quote), which may be neither physical or psychological.

So to the end that this isn't Rocket Science...I'll agree. It's much more difficult. With propulsion science, you can have predictable results. With interpersonal relationships, you can't predict shit.

You're jumping to conclusions and presenting assumptions as fact, in what seems as an effort to pass yourself off as an authority on this. Let me remind everyone here, that the *real* reasons behind Perry's departures from Journey is rather privledged information...and there are very few people that really know the whole truth. Anything else is just a manifestation of someone's creative imagination.

[strangegrey]

Let me also follow up with the distinct possibility that the "weight" that you present may just as easily be 0-0 which would completely invalidate your assertions.

[Saint John]

Your wind-bag response wasn't even logical, Frank. The guy said that it all became too much. If that doesn't scream that his relationship going down the shitter coupled with his mother's death beat his ass emotionally, I don't know what to tell you, man. As for his voice, just listen to the beginning of the tour and the end. He was out of gas. You're now entrenched in your position and you're not going to budge...I can see that. Being proven wrong just isn't good enough for you sometimes. I'm ok with that.

PS I find it hilarious how you've all but called Lora a liar in the past and coined the names "bullhorns" (which I love...sorry, Lora ) and "The Insane Asylum" but now you conveniently use her to aid your argument? Sorry, bud, it doesn't work that way.