Journey - San Manuel Amphitheater

[isla]

Yes, I was sitting behind him and overheard him say.......what's wrong with these people. why are they doing that to Arnel, don't they know that the more this band stays relevant, the more money I get?


By the way, I don't think Jana is dumb.

You are a shitty poster. Fuck, I hate you. You pom pom sonofabitch. Look, your boy is good, but you assholes comparing him to Perry is nauseating.


Perry deserves every fucking cent he gets from this band. Without him, they aren't touring this year. Understand that asshole? Perry's coat tails carried these slugs for so long, and it's proven even now...look at their setlist- every song the crowd comes to hear is because of Perry's voice or writing. When Neal writes a top ten song, let me know, ok?

. . . which Arnel can deliver effortlessly. Otherwise why would "the crowd" bother to come at all, right? (Running for cover!)

Umm I don't think he is delivering Perry's voice (unless of course there is a tape invloved) then of course it would be effortless.

I did not say that; Deano did. The phrase in bold letters seem to mean: The crowd is coming to hear Perry's voice even though they knew it's Arnel up there, for almost two years now. If Arnel doesn't sound like Perry, so much the better. THE CROWD comes to hear and see Arnel's take of Journey with Journey.

bullshit. they come to see Journey. Not arnels take. Hell, RockinDEano could be the lead vocalist and they'd come to see them because it says JOURNEY on the ticket.[/quote]

You're giving too much cred to Rockindeano, I doubt people would like to hear songs with swear words in every line....

Here we stand fuck
Worlds apart, hearts broken in two, fuck two, two
Sleepless nights fuck
Losing fucking ground
I'm reaching for you, you, fuck you

And that is how it's gonna sound like.

Chub, that was actually pretty good!!!!!!!

I know.

What "pretty good"? It's a CLASSIC, Chubby Baby! A very witty response. I splattered ramen all over the screen of my laptop the instant I read that.

[donnaplease]

. . . which Arnel can deliver effortlessly.

Not true. Otherwise there would be no down-tuning and comments about diction, stage presence, etc. Arnel's got a great voice, and seems like a nice enough guy, but as for delivering 'effortlessly'... not even close.

I also want to comment about a post from earlier in the thread, where someone stated that Arnel has given Journey a "second life" or something. That is also not technically true. It discounts Steve Augeri's time in the band, which despite the controversy at the end, was a more respectable time for me. Just as you have to take into consideration the musical climate of today with regard to album sales, you also have to take into consideration the touring climate of today as compared to 10 years ago. The "nostalgia" acts are much more popular today than they were in 1998. I happen to believe that is a big part of Journey's success of today. People have grown up, are raising families, and just wanna remember the days of riding around with the t-tops off, sitting in a parking lot among friends with the music blaring. In other words... the good ol' days.

[Rick]

. . . which Arnel can deliver effortlessly.

Not true. Otherwise there would be no down-tuning and comments about diction, stage presence, etc. Arnel's got a great voice, and seems like a nice enough guy, but as for delivering 'effortlessly'... not even close.

I also want to comment about a post from earlier in the thread, where someone stated that Arnel has given Journey a "second life" or something. That is also not technically true. It discounts Steve Augeri's time in the band, which despite the controversy at the end, was a more respectable time for me. Just as you have to take into consideration the musical climate of today with regard to album sales, you also have to take into consideration the touring climate of today as compared to 10 years ago. The "nostalgia" acts are much more popular today than they were in 1998. I happen to believe that is a big part of Journey's success of today. People have grown up, are raising families, and just wanna remember the days of riding around with the t-tops off, sitting in a parking lot among friends with the music blaring. In other words... the good ol' days.

I agree with most of your post, especially the bolded part. But I think AP's got stage presence by the boatload. It's just a matter of individual taste I suppose.

[steveo777]

. . . which Arnel can deliver effortlessly.

Not true. Otherwise there would be no down-tuning and comments about diction, stage presence, etc. Arnel's got a great voice, and seems like a nice enough guy, but as for delivering 'effortlessly'... not even close.

I also want to comment about a post from earlier in the thread, where someone stated that Arnel has given Journey a "second life" or something. That is also not technically true. It discounts Steve Augeri's time in the band, which despite the controversy at the end, was a more respectable time for me. Just as you have to take into consideration the musical climate of today with regard to album sales, you also have to take into consideration the touring climate of today as compared to 10 years ago. The "nostalgia" acts are much more popular today than they were in 1998. I happen to believe that is a big part of Journey's success of today. People have grown up, are raising families, and just wanna remember the days of riding around with the t-tops off, sitting in a parking lot among friends with the music blaring. In other words... the good ol' days.

I agree with most of your post, especially the bolded part. But I think AP's got stage presence by the boatload. It's just a matter of individual taste I suppose.

Rick, I judge stage presence by audiance response and they ain't sittin down being quiet. When AP comes out and sings and does some of his antics, people get real loud. He is transcending that energy to them and it's obvious. He has stage presence, plenty of it. I'm 95% certain that the tuning down has nothing to do with AP's ability to sing at the higher registers, but a move on Journey's part to make him last. They are happy with what they have and they show it by taking care of him.

[Rick]

. . . which Arnel can deliver effortlessly.

Not true. Otherwise there would be no down-tuning and comments about diction, stage presence, etc. Arnel's got a great voice, and seems like a nice enough guy, but as for delivering 'effortlessly'... not even close.

I also want to comment about a post from earlier in the thread, where someone stated that Arnel has given Journey a "second life" or something. That is also not technically true. It discounts Steve Augeri's time in the band, which despite the controversy at the end, was a more respectable time for me. Just as you have to take into consideration the musical climate of today with regard to album sales, you also have to take into consideration the touring climate of today as compared to 10 years ago. The "nostalgia" acts are much more popular today than they were in 1998. I happen to believe that is a big part of Journey's success of today. People have grown up, are raising families, and just wanna remember the days of riding around with the t-tops off, sitting in a parking lot among friends with the music blaring. In other words... the good ol' days.

I agree with most of your post, especially the bolded part. But I think AP's got stage presence by the boatload. It's just a matter of individual taste I suppose.

Rick, I judge stage presence by audiance response and they ain't sittin down being quiet. When AP comes out and sings and does some of his antics, people get real loud. He is transcending that energy to them an it's obvious.

Yes, and his interaction with the crowd is really good to see. Slapping 5's and stuff and at times jumping into the crowd. It damn sure gets them revved up. He's a blast to watch.

[donnaplease]

. . . which Arnel can deliver effortlessly.

Not true. Otherwise there would be no down-tuning and comments about diction, stage presence, etc. Arnel's got a great voice, and seems like a nice enough guy, but as for delivering 'effortlessly'... not even close.

I also want to comment about a post from earlier in the thread, where someone stated that Arnel has given Journey a "second life" or something. That is also not technically true. It discounts Steve Augeri's time in the band, which despite the controversy at the end, was a more respectable time for me. Just as you have to take into consideration the musical climate of today with regard to album sales, you also have to take into consideration the touring climate of today as compared to 10 years ago. The "nostalgia" acts are much more popular today than they were in 1998. I happen to believe that is a big part of Journey's success of today. People have grown up, are raising families, and just wanna remember the days of riding around with the t-tops off, sitting in a parking lot among friends with the music blaring. In other words... the good ol' days.

I agree with most of your post, especially the bolded part. But I think AP's got stage presence by the boatload. It's just a matter of individual taste I suppose.

Rick, I judge stage presence by audiance response and they ain't sittin down being quiet. When AP comes out and sings and does some of his antics, people get real loud. He is transcending that energy to them an it's obvious.

Yes, and his interaction with the crowd is really good to see. Slapping 5's and stuff and at times jumping into the crowd. It damn sure gets them revved up. He's a blast to watch.

I understand that, guys. I also admit he is much more animated than I expected him to be. However, I just don't feel his actions fit the music that they are performing. It doesn't mix well, IMO. You have Arnel jumping around like the energizer bunny on crack, being backed by a bunch of 60-year old men. It's kinda weird. Granted, it's much different when you're there live, so I might have a different opinion if I were to actually attend a show. That's not gonna happen, though, so I don't see my opinion changing much. I respect your right to like it though.

[Chubby321]

By the way, it was Arnel who sang Dead or Alive. I need to find that song on youtube, I am not familiar with that song at all.

This clip sounds pretty good, but the camera work will make you sea sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gioLsf2wdTQ

I disagree. It sounds like he is reading from a teleprompter. I never liked the original but it seems like it is slowed down with Arnel as he is trying to get the lyrics exactly right. I can't even imagine this year's version played stepped down.

The original version being played live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuy2oSvT ... re=related

Here's from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYST9WFr6M&eur

[isla]

Ahhh . . ummmn . . . is this the San Manuel Amphitheater Concert thread, right?
If I'm in the right place , here's a vid clip of NWA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSJm40K3GE

[RocknRoll]

[Here's from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYST9WFr6M&eur

Yup!! Dead or Alive. I still love that song.

I think it's a good song for AP and a few more performances and it will be perfected for the midwest.

[steveo777]

Ahhh . . ummmn . . . is this the San Manuel Amphitheater Concert thread, right?
If I'm in the right place , here's a vid clip of NWA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSJm40K3GE

What's Friga doing with a guitar?

[Rick]

Ahhh . . ummmn . . . is this the San Manuel Amphitheater Concert thread, right?
If I'm in the right place , here's a vid clip of NWA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSJm40K3GE

What's Friga doing with a guitar?

He's on the guitar about a third of the show now. Wheel In The Sky, Stone In Love and others.

[stevew2]

Ahhh . . ummmn . . . is this the San Manuel Amphitheater Concert thread, right?
If I'm in the right place , here's a vid clip of NWA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSJm40K3GE

What's Friga doing with a guitar?

Ive been askin that for years,what is even worse is him playing a mouth harp? The fucker is a one hell of a keybored player and composer,he should not touch a guitar or mouth harp,stay with the whale and lipp harmonies,do your fuckin job Friga

[steveo777]

Ahhh . . ummmn . . . is this the San Manuel Amphitheater Concert thread, right?
If I'm in the right place , here's a vid clip of NWA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSJm40K3GE

What's Friga doing with a guitar?

Ive been askin that for years,what is even worse is him playing a mouth harp? The fucker is a one hell of a keybored player and composer,he should not touch a guitar or mouth harp,stay with the whale and lipp harmonies,do your fuckin job Friga

Hehe, Steve...I was sitting in for ya. Didn't realize you were back.

[stevew2]

Ahhh . . ummmn . . . is this the San Manuel Amphitheater Concert thread, right?
If I'm in the right place , here's a vid clip of NWA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSJm40K3GE

What's Friga doing with a guitar?

Ive been askin that for years,what is even worse is him playing a mouth harp? The fucker is a one hell of a keybored player and composer,he should not touch a guitar or mouth harp,stay with the whale and lipp harmonies,do your fuckin job Friga

Hehe, Steve...I was sitting in for ya. Didn't realize you were back.

Good fuckin call steveo

[Deb]

[Here's from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYST9WFr6M&eur

Yup!! Dead or Alive. I still love that song.

I think it's a good song for AP and a few more performances and it will be perfected for the midwest.

Love Dead Or Alive, too. Good to see it back in the setlist. But for me it's missing a certain vocal punch, always liked the interaction with Deen on that one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwNIIkd7yLw

I guess Rick said it in a nutshell. All a matter of taste......some vocalists move ya, some don't.

[steveo777]

[Here's from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYST9WFr6M&eur

Yup!! Dead or Alive. I still love that song.

I think it's a good song for AP and a few more performances and it will be perfected for the midwest.

Love Dead Or Alive, too. Good to see it back in the setlist. But for me it's missing a certain vocal punch, always liked the interaction with Deen on that one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwNIIkd7yLw

I guess Rick said it in a nutshell. All a matter of taste......some vocalists move ya, some don't.

Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

[ttango1]

Not true. Otherwise there would be no down-tuning and comments about diction, stage presence, etc. Arnel's got a great voice, and seems like a nice enough guy, but as for delivering 'effortlessly'... not even close.

DP...
You said it yourself, you haven't watched a show live with AP. I can tell you, as someone who knows which words might cause issue, I can say that this summer's AP is worlds apart BETTER than last summer's AP. There should be nary a comment about diction. It's just not prevalent any more when singing. I saw the band from row 11 not 10 yards away from stage and I can tell you that any note needed to be reached, was and then expanded to a higher place. It wasn't effortless but it was strong, clean, and guttural but rich.

If you held yourself back because of sacrilege or whatever, NOW is the time to catch them. TRUTH:THEY FUCKIN' ROCK!

[Jana]

Blog from Neal on the concert there:

San Bernardino
Sunday, August 2, 2009 - 12:47 pm - neal_schon
what a great turnout . We had a bit of technical difficulties last night but moving in the right direction as far as tweaking our sound as good as we can get it... It IS coming
Thanks to all... now I need to wake up....
See you tonight in Tucson and hope we don't have to deal with a monsoon tonight like last year...

Neal

[Rockindeano]

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Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

You just continue to prove you're the biggest asshole here. Disrespect an icon while at it. You truly know how to multi-task.

[stevew2]

[Here's from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYST9WFr6M&eur

Yup!! Dead or Alive. I still love that song.

I think it's a good song for AP and a few more performances and it will be perfected for the midwest.

Love Dead Or Alive, too. Good to see it back in the setlist. But for me it's missing a certain vocal punch, always liked the interaction with Deen on that one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwNIIkd7yLw

I guess Rick said it in a nutshell. All a matter of taste......some vocalists move ya, some don't.

Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

naw he owns his own

[isla]

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Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

You just continue to prove you're the biggest asshole here. Disrespect an icon while at it. You truly know how to multi-task.

He can't be! That Badge of (dis)Honor belongs to "somebody we all know who".

[perryswoman]

. . . which Arnel can deliver effortlessly.

Not true. Otherwise there would be no down-tuning and comments about diction, stage presence, etc. Arnel's got a great voice, and seems like a nice enough guy, but as for delivering 'effortlessly'... not even close.

I also want to comment about a post from earlier in the thread, where someone stated that Arnel has given Journey a "second life" or something. That is also not technically true. It discounts Steve Augeri's time in the band, which despite the controversy at the end, was a more respectable time for me. Just as you have to take into consideration the musical climate of today with regard to album sales, you also have to take into consideration the touring climate of today as compared to 10 years ago. The "nostalgia" acts are much more popular today than they were in 1998. I happen to believe that is a big part of Journey's success of today. People have grown up, are raising families, and just wanna remember the days of riding around with the t-tops off, sitting in a parking lot among friends with the music blaring. In other words... the good ol' days.

I agree with most of your post, especially the bolded part. But I think AP's got stage presence by the boatload. It's just a matter of individual taste I suppose.

Rick, I judge stage presence by audiance response and they ain't sittin down being quiet. When AP comes out and sings and does some of his antics, people get real loud. He is transcending that energy to them an it's obvious.

Yes, and his interaction with the crowd is really good to see. Slapping 5's and stuff and at times jumping into the crowd. It damn sure gets them revved up. He's a blast to watch.

I understand that, guys. I also admit he is much more animated than I expected him to be. However, I just don't feel his actions fit the music that they are performing. It doesn't mix well, IMO. You have Arnel jumping around like the energizer bunny on crack, being backed by a bunch of 60-year old men. It's kinda weird. Granted, it's much different when you're there live, so I might have a different opinion if I were to actually attend a show. That's not gonna happen, though, so I don't see my opinion changing much. I respect your right to like it though.

Donna I will say I am one of Steve Perry's biggest fans but I went to see Journey last year in Charlotte and sat in the 2nd row and I can tell you Arnel absoluteyl rocked the house. It is so much different live than watching you tube and another thing that was great was just watching how everyone in the band looked totally into it! You could tell they were really having fun as well.

[Red13JoePa]

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Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

You just continue to prove you're the biggest asshole here. Disrespect an icon while at it. You truly know how to multi-task.

Calm down, Mini Lee Phillips.

[Saint John]

Donna I will say I am one of Steve Perry's biggest fans but I went to see Journey last year in Charlotte and sat in the 2nd row and I can tell you Arnel absoluteyl rocked the house.

Hey...I was in the second or third row center...can't remember which. That concert was fucking awesome.

[Deb]

[Here's from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYST9WFr6M&eur

Yup!! Dead or Alive. I still love that song.

I think it's a good song for AP and a few more performances and it will be perfected for the midwest.

Love Dead Or Alive, too. Good to see it back in the setlist. But for me it's missing a certain vocal punch, always liked the interaction with Deen on that one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwNIIkd7yLw

I guess Rick said it in a nutshell. All a matter of taste......some vocalists move ya, some don't.

Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

Har har har. Perry absolutely rocks that song the best, but my clip isn't of Perry. I watched the above 2 clips back to back and there is no question who gives that song the vocal punch and attitude it requires.....IMO.

[Saint John]

Dead Or Alive is a shit song no matter who sings it. The Party's Over should have taken it's place. That album would have sold even more copies. TPO was too good for its time. That thing comes off of Escape and it's a Top 10 hit.

[RocknRoll]

[Here's from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYST9WFr6M&eur

Yup!! Dead or Alive. I still love that song.

I think it's a good song for AP and a few more performances and it will be perfected for the midwest.

Love Dead Or Alive, too. Good to see it back in the setlist. But for me it's missing a certain vocal punch, always liked the interaction with Deen on that one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwNIIkd7yLw

I guess Rick said it in a nutshell. All a matter of taste......some vocalists move ya, some don't.

Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

Har har har. Perry absolutely rocks that song the best, but my clip isn't of Perry. I watched the above 2 clips back to back and there is no question who gives that song the vocal punch and attitude it requires.....IMO.

You're so right Deb. He kills on this and I was there. I'm really glad I didn't miss it.

[Deb]

Dead Or Alive is a shit song no matter who sings it. The Party's Over should have taken it's place. That album would have sold even more copies. TPO was too good for its time. That thing comes off of Escape and it's a Top 10 hit.

Oh go listen to Open Arms again.

PS....totally agree with you on TPO.

[steveo777]

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Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

You just continue to prove you're the biggest asshole here. Disrespect an icon while at it. You truly know how to multi-task.

Right!! Kiss my ass you fat fuck. You run around here and don't even directly quote half the stuff I say, you take your own version of my words and type it out, which most of is meant in jest anyway. Most people get that while you, on the other hand, can't get your rock filled head around it. I come here for some of my entertainment. I don't take beer swilling, overweight, hairy backed, knuckle draggers like yourself seriously. So back off with the bully attempts...they simply don't work on me. I have no fear or any respect for someone of your under-caliber. Anyone is capable of glueing together a bunch of profanity on the internet. All it shows is what a classless, uneducated jerk you are.

Just needed to vent. That said, I'd gladly buy you a beer anytime you're in my neighborhood.

We will come to an understanding.

[mdaemon]

[
Steve Perry now works for Atlas van lines. He and the boys carried all my shit into my new pad last night. Some former lead vocalists move ya, some don't.

You just continue to prove you're the biggest asshole here. Disrespect an icon while at it. You truly know how to multi-task.

Right!! Kiss my ass you fat fuck. You run around here and don't even directly quote half the stuff I say, you take your own version of my words and type it out, which most of is meant in jest anyway. Most people get that while you, on the other hand, can't get your rock filled head around it. I come here for some of my entertainment. I don't take beer swilling, overweight, hairy backed, knuckle draggers like yourself seriously. So back off with the bully attempts...they simply don't work on me. I have no fear or any respect for someone of your under-caliber. Anyone is capable of glueing together a bunch of profanity on the internet. All it shows is what a classless, uneducated jerk you are.

Just needed to vent. That said, I'd gladly buy you a beer anytime you're in my neighborhood.

We will come to an understanding.