Classic Rock votes Perry #1 AOR vocalist

[RedWingFan]

To me, the real test with this line-up is how well it does with the next album.

This one will sell more.

They going to hand them out at the gate again?

[S2M]

Remove:
- The bundled greatest hits package;
- Remove the live DVD of greatest hits;
- Sell it at the same price

How many does the album move then?

Same amount. The fact that they put a picture of an Asian guy on the back and the package had a sticker on it that said something like "the first album with new lead singer Arnel Pineda" tells me that buyers knew what they were getting. But the excuses are always fun to see! It was all gloom and doom prior to the album and now it's every excuse under the sun ... such as, the package gave the consumer too much for their money, the re-records are what sold it, each Pinoy bought 345.8 copies and all Wal Mart exclusives sell like that.

To me, the real test with this line-up is how well it does with the next album.

This one will sell more.

Why? Are they marketing it as a paperweight?

[Deb]

To me, the real test with this line-up is how well it does with the next album.

This one will sell more.

Can't see it. They aren't going to have all the hype behind this one.

[Jana]

To me, the real test with this line-up is how well it does with the next album.

This one will sell more.

Can't see it. They aren't going to have all the hype behind this one.

I agree.

[Andrew]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

[Don]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

I agree. A gold record would be a fantastic achievement, all things considered.

[steveo777]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

Why is that, because it can't ride the rags to riches story anymore, or is it just the market?

One reason I can see is that they don't seem to get in the digital market.

[Don]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

Why is that, because it can't ride the rags to riches story anymore, or is it just the market?

One reason I can see is that they don't seem to get in the digital market.

Well, it appears it will be one disc, so that cuts the sales count in half right there. The rest of the things you said all are going to be contributors too, of course.

[Andrew]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

Why is that, because it can't ride the rags to riches story anymore, or is it just the market?

One reason I can see is that they don't seem to get in the digital market.

1) Because this is not going to be a commercial record at all.

2) The Cinderella story has been done and milked.

3) Not a triple Disc value pack

[kgdjpubs]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

Why is that, because it can't ride the rags to riches story anymore, or is it just the market?

One reason I can see is that they don't seem to get in the digital market.

1) Because this is not going to be a commercial record at all.

I'd be surprised if regardless of what they say that this will be the non-commercial concept record. Maybe something like the Ten Babylon release where everything ties together, but holds up separately also. It's going to have to sound like Journey or the only way it will be released is through their own website, as nobody would give them a record deal.

[Andrew]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

Why is that, because it can't ride the rags to riches story anymore, or is it just the market?

One reason I can see is that they don't seem to get in the digital market.

1) Because this is not going to be a commercial record at all.

I'd be surprised if regardless of what they say that this will be the non-commercial concept record. Maybe something like the Ten Babylon release where everything ties together, but holds up separately also.

One would hope so, but I hear this is a pretty challenging album. In a good way I hope.

[S2M]

The equivalent to Styx's Cyclorama would be welcome...

[Saint John]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

I'm assuming that the harder direction will go over a lot better in Europe. That said, Gold is very likely for the U.S., but I think the surprise will come in how well it sells outside of the U.S. and later on when they tour in support of it.

[Deb]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

I'm assuming that the harder direction will go over a lot better in Europe. That said, Gold is very likely for the U.S., but I think the surprise will come in how well it sells outside of the U.S. and later on when they tour in support of it.

Oh, you mean where people actually still love their classic/melodic rock?! Don't you usually dismiss them as having no taste though?

[Saint John]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

I'm assuming that the harder direction will go over a lot better in Europe. That said, Gold is very likely for the U.S., but I think the surprise will come in how well it sells outside of the U.S. and later on when they tour in support of it.

Oh, you mean where people actually still love their classic/melodic rock?! Don't you usually dismiss them as having no taste though?

... the "harder" direction, if done properly, will be much more widely accepted outside of the U.S., where they're not as popular and where Steve Perry's era and voice aren't as closely associated with the band. It's just an easier market to crack because they never really toured there in the 80's. But your point has merit to it, too.

[Rockindeano]

This one will sell more.

What, are they going to sell the cd for 4.99?

If anyone actually knew how many real units they sold, we could compare the two.

I have a 100 bucks that says they don't sell more. The Asian sob story has long worn off. Yeah, the Pinoy's will buy the thing, but DSB is not so prevelent as it was 2 years ago, which undoubtedly spurred sales(Sopranos, Glee, etc.). They aren't going to have a single, we know that. If what you say about the cd "rocking harder" ( I am laughing loudly at this), they won't have their customary ballad to throw up on an AC chart, to cough up a few more sales.....so, to me at least, content isn't going to matter one iota. People buying this CD aren't going to do so based on what's really in it. They are going to buy it for A) Pineda (Pinoy fanbase), and B) hardcore Journey fans. If they sell this as one cd package, NO WAY does it go platinim. I will give them Gold just because of the Pinoys.

[Rockindeano]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

I'm assuming that the harder direction will go over a lot better in Europe. That said, Gold is very likely for the U.S., but I think the surprise will come in how well it sells outside of the U.S. and later on when they tour in support of it.

Oh, you mean where people actually still love their classic/melodic rock?! Don't you usually dismiss them as having no taste though?

Deb, I just saw your signature. No offence, but Mr Big has got to be the ugliest fucking band I have ever seen, and I have seen Tom Petty and the heartbreakers too.

[Saint John]

If anyone actually knew how many real units they sold, we could compare the two.

About 800,000 in the U.S. and probably just enough to go over a million total units worldwide. I know Canada sold over 50,000 and it charted in at least 8 other countries as well. We'll just say 1 million total packages sold, though it's probably more than that.

[Don]

If anyone actually knew how many real units they sold, we could compare the two.

About 800,000 in the U.S. and probably just enough to go over a million total units worldwide. I know Canada sold over 50,000 and it charted in at least 8 other countries as well. We'll just say 1 million total packages sold, though it's probably more than that.

I'd say this is true, though Jeremey would have something closer to the exact number, I'm sure

[Red13JoePa]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

I'm assuming that the harder direction will go over a lot better in Europe. That said, Gold is very likely for the U.S., but I think the surprise will come in how well it sells outside of the U.S. and later on when they tour in support of it.

Oh, you mean where people actually still love their classic/melodic rock?! Don't you usually dismiss them as having no taste though?

Deb, I just saw your signature. No offence, but Mr Big has got to be the ugliest fucking band I have ever seen, and I have seen Tom Petty and the heartbreakers too.

LOL

[Deb]

No way the new album will sell anything close to the last album. Even if it is better

I'm assuming that the harder direction will go over a lot better in Europe. That said, Gold is very likely for the U.S., but I think the surprise will come in how well it sells outside of the U.S. and later on when they tour in support of it.

Oh, you mean where people actually still love their classic/melodic rock?! Don't you usually dismiss them as having no taste though?

Deb, I just saw your signature. No offence, but Mr Big has got to be the ugliest fucking band I have ever seen, and I have seen Tom Petty and the heartbreakers too.

Pul-leeease, EM and Tom Petty don't even belong in the same sentence when it comes to looks. Besides, I've outgrown the looks being the first criteria in my music choices now, it's all about the talent baby!

But I changed it, you obviously didn't get the grungy, dirty back alley look the photog was going for.

[Jana]

Deb, liar, liar, pants on fire. You think Jeff and Eric are hot and is part of the combination.

[Deb]

Deb, liar, liar, pants on fire. You think Jeff and Eric are hot and is part of the combination.

Both are definitely good looking, but if they didn't have those soulful pipes they wouldn't be in my top 3 favorites no matter what they looked like, for a good example, i.e., JBJ.

[Jana]

Deb, liar, liar, pants on fire. You think Jeff and Eric are hot and is part of the combination.

Both are definitely good looking, but if they didn't have those soulful pipes they wouldn't be in my top 3 favorites no matter what they looked like, for a good example, i.e., JBJ.

I hear ya. I can only get into specific song of JBJ, Bed of Roses, etc. He, on a whole, has never moved me vocalwise, unless it's one of his great songs I love. Richie I like better vocally and love him on guitar.

[Saint John]

I see the FOOM (Fawners Of Overrated Males) crew is out. I can hear the vulvas pounding from here.

[S2M]

I see the FOOM (Fawners Of Overrated Males) crew is out. I can hear the vulvas pounding from here.

The bumping of mollusks isn't far behind.....

[Saint John]

I see the FOOM (Fawners Of Overrated Males) crew is out. I can hear the vulvas pounding from here.

The bumping of mollusks isn't far behind.....

[Deb]

I see the FOOM (Fawners Of Underrated Males) crew is out.

Sorry, there was an error in your post, fixed it for ya.

[Jana]

What? Just because Bono was sooooo so hot in the late 80s, 90s and Roland Orzabal was so so hot from 90 to 2004 and Perry was gorgeous in '86 and '96? Nothing wrong with singers having the hotness factor and being appreciated for it with great talent first and foremost, like Deb said.

[Deb]

What? Just because Bono was sooooo so hot in the late 80s, 90s and Roland Orzabal was so so hot from 90 to 2004 and Perry was gorgeous in '86 and '96? Nothing wrong with singers having the hotness factor and being appreciated for it with great talent first and foremost, like Deb said.

Bah, Dan's an idiot, I mean sheesh he doesn't even know I drive a Saturn not a Vulva?!