Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

[The_Noble_Cause]

There are plenty of unique aspects of small town rural America that don't involve Christianity. They chose to focus on Christianity. It is explicitly about Christianity in that context.

Aside from the one line about Sunday congregation, there is nothing in the song about Christianity. "Believe God is on our side" is fundamentally American. Ever see in God we trust on US currency? One of the original anthems of this country, My Country Tis of Thee, references God several times. Is Lee Greenwood's God Bless the USA also a Christian song? You sound like the type of snowflake that says happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

You're getting awfully worked up about someone pointing out the obvious. Faith In The Heartland has Christian themes going on with it. That's it. There's nothing to read into here. The lyrics are out there for anyone to see. Now take a deep breath and relax.

If that's true, why don't you cite some examples besides the "congregation" lyric? You can't cuz it doesn't exist.

[JourneyHard]

The Schon Family and the Cain Family should go on Celebrity Family Feud and win some money for a charity. This would be the best way to end this drama.

I solve problems. That is what I do.

[Pacfanweb]

If that's true, why don't you cite some examples besides the "congregation" lyric? You can't cuz it doesn't exist.

In our darkest hour, oh, we look to the sky
With a silent prayer
Believe that God's on our side
In a land where freedom rings
And where eagles fly
Ooh yeah, yeah

It's not an overtly "religious" song, but it definitely has religious overtones. Those lyrics would be right at home in a "God/Guns and Granny" country song.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's not an overtly "religious" song, but it definitely has religious overtones. Those lyrics would be right at home in a "God/Guns and Granny" country song.

In other words, it could be a generic country song. Like a lot of Cain's sappy crap. Another song on the same album, Out of Harm's Way, also tackles themes of run-down small America. The theme is less about the Bible Belt then it is the Rust Belt. Mentioning a congregation once does not make something christian-themed.

[sbsugar]

Ah, Faith In The Heartland...so nice they recorded it twice..which I could never figure out, because Steve A owns that song.....Arnel sounds like he is just reading off a lyric sheet...no emotion at all.

NJB

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ah, Faith In The Heartland...so nice they recorded it twice..which I could never figure out, because Steve A owns that song.....Arnel sounds like he is just reading off a lyric sheet...no emotion at all.

NJB

I like both versions but I agree the SA version is best.

[Pacfanweb]

It's not an overtly "religious" song, but it definitely has religious overtones. Those lyrics would be right at home in a "God/Guns and Granny" country song.

In other words, it could be a generic country song. Like a lot of Cain's sappy crap. Another song on the same album, Out of Harm's Way, also tackles themes of run-down small America. The theme is less about the Bible Belt then it is the Rust Belt. Mentioning a congregation once does not make something christian-themed.

In our darkest hour, oh, we look to the sky
With a silent prayer
Believe that God's on our side
In a land where freedom rings
And where eagles fly
Ooh yeah, yeah

Again, Christian "overtones" is not the same thing as "themed". The song definitely has overtones of it.

One of the definitions of "overtones"

a secondary effect, quality, or meaning

Easy for anyone to see that in the song, given the lyrics. If it was a country song, this wouldn't even be a question that's what it was implying, even if the song wasn't specifically about that.

[Archetype]

It's not an overtly "religious" song, but it definitely has religious overtones. Those lyrics would be right at home in a "God/Guns and Granny" country song.

In other words, it could be a generic country song. Like a lot of Cain's sappy crap. Another song on the same album, Out of Harm's Way, also tackles themes of run-down small America. The theme is less about the Bible Belt then it is the Rust Belt. Mentioning a congregation once does not make something christian-themed.

I'm not sure why you're so adamant about denying the Christian overtones contained in Faith in the Heartland. Here's a clue: If you have to say "besides xyz..." you're probably grasping at straws. There are two obvious Christian overtones in the song. It's interesting that you'll concede that it's akin to a generic country song while failing to acknowledge that most generic country songs are all about Christianity/Bible belt. Out of Harm's Way also has some Christian overtones (knowing his faith is his saving grace). They chose Christian overtones for whatever reason. They didn't accidentally appear in the lyrics. No one is saying it's good or bad. It's pointing out the obvious.

On a side note, if you have to throw out childish terms like "snowflake" you probably aren't presenting your case very well.

[Greg]

If that's true, why don't you cite some examples besides the "congregation" lyric? You can't cuz it doesn't exist.

In our darkest hour, oh, we look to the sky
With a silent prayer
Believe that God's on our side
In a land where freedom rings
And where eagles fly
Ooh yeah, yeah

It's not an overtly "religious" song, but it definitely has religious overtones. Those lyrics would be right at home in a "God/Guns and Granny" country song.

Then again, KISS = "God Gave Rock And Roll To You".

[scarab]

Actually Russ Ballard did!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Easy for anyone to see that in the song, given the lyrics. If it was a country song, this wouldn't even be a question that's what it was implying, even if the song wasn't specifically about that.

If it had Christian overtones, themes, or whatever, Neal would have nixed it off the cd. That's why he's freaking out now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not sure why you're so adamant about denying the Christian overtones contained in Faith in the Heartland. Here's a clue: If you have to say "besides xyz..." you're probably grasping at straws. There are two obvious Christian overtones in the song. It's interesting that you'll concede that it's akin to a generic country song while failing to acknowledge that most generic country songs are all about Christianity/Bible belt. Out of Harm's Way also has some Christian overtones (knowing his faith is his saving grace). They chose Christian overtones for whatever reason. They didn't accidentally appear in the lyrics. No one is saying it's good or bad. It's pointing out the obvious.

Next you'll be saying "Believin" in DSB is a Christian theme. The words "faith" and "god" is non-denominational...this is the weakest , most generic shit I ever heard. The desperation stink is wafting from you.

On a side note, if you have to throw out childish terms like "snowflake" you probably aren't presenting your case very well.

Riiight. Ok. If a guy cuts me off in traffic and I call him a "fucking asshole", is he any less guilty of being a bad driver? That's your level of logic on display.

[Archetype]

I'm not sure why you're so adamant about denying the Christian overtones contained in Faith in the Heartland. Here's a clue: If you have to say "besides xyz..." you're probably grasping at straws. There are two obvious Christian overtones in the song. It's interesting that you'll concede that it's akin to a generic country song while failing to acknowledge that most generic country songs are all about Christianity/Bible belt. Out of Harm's Way also has some Christian overtones (knowing his faith is his saving grace). They chose Christian overtones for whatever reason. They didn't accidentally appear in the lyrics. No one is saying it's good or bad. It's pointing out the obvious.

Next you'll be saying "Believin" in DSB is a Christian theme. The words "faith" and "god" is non-denominational...this is the weakest , most generic shit I ever heard. The desperation stink is wafting from you.

On a side note, if you have to throw out childish terms like "snowflake" you probably aren't presenting your case very well.

Riiight. Ok. If a guy cuts me off in traffic and I call him a "fucking asshole", is he any less guilty of being a bad driver? That's your level of logic on display.

You're really having a hard time with this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're really having a hard time with this.

Yea dude. I'm devastated. To give you an inkling of just how important this is to me, I want u to know im typing this on my phone while taking a shit. Zzzzzz

[Archetype]

You're really having a hard time with this.

Yea dude. I'm devastated. To give you an inkling of just how important this is to me, I want u to know im typing this on my phone while taking a shit. Zzzzzz

Interrupted your personal time to show me how unimportant it is to you

[slucero]

TNC - you've officially supplanted Deano...

[Greg]

Ya know though, aside from all the "I want this band to be agnostic" deal, from a financial standpoint, I bet Journey would be huge if they became a Christian band. You know their new music would be played constantly on Christian radio stations. That is one thing that Neal and the gang have had a difficult time with: getting their new music out there to the masses. They could still be sort of a "Stryper" type of band where their music is played on both secular and Christian stations. Yes, I know most of you heathens would never go for that! And yes, I'm being factious, so don't get your panties in a wad. It could be make Journey a commercial success again though!

Having said all of that, I do agree with Neal. The band is agnostic. It should appeal to everyone like it always has. There's, of course, a lot of things the band should do better though. Like, not airing their dirty laundry out for public consumption, playing new music in concert whether people complain about it or not, and quit worrying about writing another Escape album. Take a page out of Iron Maiden's book. Those guys play a lot of new music in their concerts with the right amount of classics. Like Journey, they have a deep catalog that makes it impossible for them to play every "hit" song that has ever been written by the band. So, they put the right amount of songs together while playing a lot of new music. And while they do get a bigger pop from the crowd when songs like Iron Maiden or Power Slave is being played, the fans do generally receive the new music really well.

[JourneyHard]

Journey needs to redo Out of Harm's Way, and take out the political message. That song rocks!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Journey needs to redo Out of Harm's Way, and take out the political message. That song rocks!

I spoke with Jon about it. He said he came up with song because Neal's guitars sounded like military helicopters. He wasn't trying to be very political. It's a good example of Neal and Jon working together tho!

[JourneyHard]

Journey needs to redo Out of Harm's Way, and take out the political message. That song rocks!

I spoke with Jon about it. He said he came up with song because Neal's guitars sounded like military helicopters. He wasn't trying to be very political. It's a good example of Neal and Jon working together tho!

They need to take out the story that there are no jobs so they had to join the military and then they were sent off to war. That is very political. It is the same as if they went the other direction and said they joined up out of patriotism and are true Americans. That is political, too. Leave all that out of Journey songs please.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They need to take out the story that there are no jobs so they had to join the military and then they were sent off to war. That is very political. It is the same as if they went the other direction and said they joined up out of patriotism and are true Americans. That is political, too. Leave all that out of Journey songs please.

As with 'Faith in Heartland', I think Cain was writing about small town America. The song is a specific story and not a sweeping generalization. Your point is valid, but I don't think he'd ever imply people only enlist when desperate.

[Greg]

Journey needs to redo Out of Harm's Way, and take out the political message. That song rocks!

All this time, I thought that was a Schon and Hammer remake.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Journey needs to redo Out of Harm's Way, and take out the political message. That song rocks!

All this time, I thought that was a Schon and Hammer remake.

Ur thinking of In Self Defense

[scarab]

speaking of Schon Hammer its to bad this song wasn't recorded by Journey.
Sounds right off the side II Frontiers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2CEKnNEt1s

[Greg]

Journey needs to redo Out of Harm's Way, and take out the political message. That song rocks!

All this time, I thought that was a Schon and Hammer remake.

Ur thinking of In Self Defense

Ah yeah, you're right! I got those two mixed up!

[JourneyHard]

speaking of Schon Hammer its to bad this song wasn't recorded by Journey.
Sounds right off the side II Frontiers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2CEKnNEt1s

That's Neal singing. Right? NOT Hodgkins like the comments suggest.

[JourneyHard]

Neal Schon should really do a solo tour where he does three hours of all his solo project material from Schon & Hammer to Hardline to Soul Sirkus and more. He could do it at small venues like Perry did for his 1994 tour. I would be there so fast.

[Memorex]

Journey needs to redo Out of Harm's Way, and take out the political message. That song rocks!

All this time, I thought that was a Schon and Hammer remake.

Ur thinking of In Self Defense

My opinion has always been that Self Defense was recorded by Journey and not used and that the version you hear on the Schon & Hammer album is that version. I would even doubt that it's hammer on keys unless there was some legal reason to replace Jon's. The first and foremost reason that this is my opinion is that there is no way Steve Perry showed up to write a song and lend background vocals to a Neal Schon solo album. Then all the other guys - highly doubtful. So to me - that's a straight up Journey song front to back.

[Art Vandelay]

My opinion has always been that Self Defense was recorded by Journey and not used and that the version you hear on the Schon & Hammer album is that version. I would even doubt that it's hammer on keys unless there was some legal reason to replace Jon's. The first and foremost reason that this is my opinion is that there is no way Steve Perry showed up to write a song and lend background vocals to a Neal Schon solo album. Then all the other guys - highly doubtful. So to me - that's a straight up Journey song front to back.

By that point, I doubt if anyone (specifically management and record execs) would have wanted anyone other than Perry handling Journey's lead vocals. So yeah, you may be right. It could have originally been a track intended for but not 'worthy' to be put onto a Journey album.

[tater1977]

Classic rockers Heart, Journey battling internal strife

Internal strife splitting Heart, Journey

By Gary Graff ggraff@digitalfirstmedia.com

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Heart and Journey are in the same place these days — and not just the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Both groups weigh in at 44 years, celebrated careers as enduring rock favorites on radio and on the road. But there are fears that each are going, as the Journey hit says, their “Separate Ways,” with plenty of drama at the core.

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A Rough Journey

Heart’s situation is far more cut and dried than what’s going on with Journey, however.

The afterglow of the group’s Rock Hall induction — which included a reunion at the podium with former frontman Steve Perry — has been plowed under by an intense social media assault by guitarist and co-founder Neal Schon against keyboardist Jonathan Cain — even as they appear on stage together during Journey’s current tour.

In addition to changing his Twitter handle to Neal Schon’s JRNY, the guitarist attacked Cain’s musical direction as well as religious and political beliefs, even implying that Cain “is trying in press to (remove) my name from songs I wrote” for the band, including the hit anthem “Don’t Stop Believin’.”

Schon declares that “bottom line I’ll always be JRNY as it’s been my baby from birth. ... I’m not the problem.” Cain’s sole response has been to write, “A heart of gratitude leaves no room for complaining. For it is impossible to truly be thankful and filled with negativity and ungratefulness at the same time.”

Neither Journey man has spoken about what’s behind the discord, or how they’re managing to continue to tour together. Previously, both have been open about creative differences between them — particularly over Journey’s last album, 2011’s hard-rocking, Schon-dominated “Eclipse.” Cain, 67, says that, “I think we have another album in us, I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page where we’re going, all going together.

“I think the last record we made was kind of a departure from what I think people want form Journey, so directionwise we’ve got to get on the same page before we move forward.”

But Schon, 63 — who also releases solo albums and is part of the Santana reunion project — doesn’t sound like he’s ready to compromise his creative ambitions. “I’m always champing at the bit to do new music,” the guitarist says. “If it’s not happening with Journey I’m in the studio doing something else for myself.”

But he doesn’t close the door on the band entirely.

“I feel that (Journey) should at least do from here out one song to two songs a year, new songs,” Schon says, “even if we just release them as singles and get in a movie or something with it, just to keep things moving forward.”

Classic Rock Double Shot

• Journey performs at 8 p.m. Thursday, June 22, at the Colosseum at Caesars Windsor, 377 Riverside Drive East. Tickets are $128-$408. Call 800-991-7777 or visit caesarswindsor.com.

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