Classic Journey

[Rockindeano]

Look at HOTS get all fumed and pissed?!

Look, you initiated this thread KNOWING there would be dissenting opinions..LOTS of them. But I do know quite a bit about the Band, not as much as some and more than some. Reading some of your posts, I would think I am a little more informed on the goings on of the band, but I am not here to flame you HOTS...not at all, but this topic is going to bring out some fire, and yes, I am now breathing white hot coal flames



And by the way, to whomever said, "you all want perry to sing with the band." Uh I don't not anymore..Dude stay away from Journey..it is a well oiled machine right now..Don't F with it...

[The_Noble_Cause]

And by the way, to whomever said, "you all want perry to sing with the band." Uh I don't not anymore..Dude stay away from Journey..it is a well oiled machine right now..Don't F with it...

Nicely put.
Agreed.

[heardonthestreet]

"a well oiled machine?"

More like greasy leftovers.

[The_Noble_Cause]

"a well oiled machine?"

More like greasy leftovers.

Ok. You don't like the band. Got it.

Am I missing something here?
Is someone putting a gun to your head or twisting your arm to spend your hard earned money on this incarnation of the band? If you don't approve, then don't see their concerts, or buy their albums.
It's that simple.

One thing is always certain in life: change. Be it in our relationships, our favorite soap opera, sports teams, rock bands...everything.

I don't know about everyone else, but whenever a change occurs in something in my life (particularly one for the worse), I move on.

Wish I understood what exactly prevents you people from doing the same.

[perryfaithful]

The key here would be A Long term employee who becomes valuable with time. This would NOT describe Perry!

Follow along Yak! I was not talking about PERRY!

[ohsherrie]

Dave,

I'm pretty sure Wheel, Lights and LTS charted in the top 40, but then I could be wrong.

As I said before, they all got airplay and still do. So did Missing You and You Better Wait. I even heard the title song from FTLOSM a couple times. I've never heard anything from Arrival.

I can see why Sony would give them a chance because TBF did premier at #3 on the charts and When You Love a Woman did well and was nominated for a Grammy. I call that a success. I can also see why they would want a group using the name Journey to sound like the Journey that the public would expect. I can understand them hot having a great deal of faith(as in putting lots of money for promotion)in the new band though, because they new Perry was the key ingredient in Journey's success.

As for Fleishman, there must have been some reason that he was replaced. If, as HH alluded to in the BTM, Columbia wanted Perry in the group, then it's unlikely that they would have made it with Fleishman because the label wouldn't have been happy.

[ohsherrie]

"The Price of Live" went to #5.
"Possession" went to #21
"Forget Me Not" went to #66

From Backlash:

"Straight to Your Heart" went to #42


Street Talk:

"Oh Sherry" went to #2.
"Foolish Heart" went to #18
"Strung Out" went to #40
"She's Mine" went to #21

So, you see...BE's debut alone equals what Street Talk did. Include Backlash and BE had MORE Hot 100 hits then ST. Even if you discount "When I See You Smile" as being written by Dianne Waren, BE STILL has as many hits as ST.

So, next time you say something is "simply not true" you may want to at least be sure you know what you are talking about. I didn't even look up "Heaven is a Four Letter Word", it may have made the charts too.

If you want to play with numbers, let's do the math. Excluding When I See You Smile because I was comparing songs that Steve and Cain have written separately.

5+21+66+42=134
2+18+40+21=81

It looks like Steve placed overall higher on the charts.

Not to mention that two of Steve's are still getting regular and another one occasional radio play. The only thing I ever hear from BE is When I See You Smile. In fact, if I've ever heard any of those others you mentioned I wasn't impressed enough to remember them.

[ohsherrie]

That isn't how the world works. There is no contrary evidence that Perry was abducted by aliens either, so by YOUR standards you must believe that too.

Did you lose your train of thought, or are you just trying to misdirect the subject? YOU said there was evidence to the contrary. I simply said there wasn't.

Quote one single post where I did the above.

Believe it or not Monker I didn't save all your "qoutes" from VH1, but you said it.

LOL! Give ONE example in the entire history of the world where an employee signed a "non competition" document when they LEFT a company.

Arden already did. Why would you think there could be such an instance in television and not in the music industry? They all use the same lawyers.

you are simply ignorant of how such things work

No, actually, that would be you.

All you have to do is THINK for one moment...Would you sign ANYTHING if you decided to leave a company or were fired? Only a nutcase would do such a thing.

Well, maybe because you wanted something in return? Like keeping Augeri from recording any of Steve's hits? Or maybe just to get out of a previous agreement that had become unbearable for you? YOU THINK about what you're saying instead of blindly throwing out absurd rebuttal comments.

There is no such evidence.

Yeah, there is, but you would just contradict it if I itemized it. I'm through arguing this point with you.

The FACT is that Journey wasn't burning up the charts with Infinity/Evolution/Departure. They had some minor hits...but NOTHING like Escape. We remember Journey's success because of the 80's not the first three albums with Steve Perry.

I never said they were burning up the charts. I said they were a lead-in for Escape. I questioned whether Escape would have done as well if not for the name recognition they got from the previous albums. I also said they got good radio play and still are. Where in that do you see some kind of challenge?

[The_Noble_Cause]

That isn't how the world works. There is no contrary evidence that Perry was abducted by aliens either, so by YOUR standards you must believe that too.

Did you lose your train of thought, or are you just trying to misdirect the subject? YOU said there was evidence to the contrary. I simply said there wasn't.

But there IS evidence to the contrary. If Perry is currently contractually bound NOT to release any competing music, then why did he release "I Stand Alone" for the Quest for Camelot soundtrack in 1998? Furthermore, why is he now helping Jeff Galub on a couple tracks?
Wouldn't that be a breach of contract?

Besides, if this contract DOES exist, why was Perry so reluctant to tour with Journey even back during ROR? Let me guess, was he contractually bound by his "Street Talk" studio musicians not to hit the road?

LOL! Give ONE example in the entire history of the world where an employee signed a "non competition" document when they LEFT a company.

Arden already did. Why would you think there could be such an instance in television and not in the music industry? They all use the same lawyers.

Wrong. Try again.
Sony guru, Steve Perry friend, and current Sanctuary records CEO, John Kalodner, is on record stating that things like that NEVER HAPPEN and are unheard of in the music business. Sorry.

Read for yourself(from his own website)......

Question: There are rumors about that the reason Steve Perry dropped out of site musically, since Trial By Fire, (which I loved by the way) was that he signed some type of contract with the remaining members of Journey that he wouldn't record/perform for a specified amount of time....and that time may be soon ending. Would this be true? Certainly this type of clause is seen in the business world all the time, but with entertainers?????? Please fill me in. Also, why do you list Journey tour dates when they no longer work for Sony?


John Kalodner: Those rumors about a non-competitive clause are totally false and in general these provisions do not exist in the entertainment industry except in the case of some executives. I think everyone would like to know why Steve Perry isn’t with Journey, but the only person who really knows that is Steve Perry. I wish I did and I wish he would tour and record with the band. The reason I list Journey tour dates on my website, even though they’re not with Columbia, is that even without Steve Perry, I still like and respect the band and their music and hope people will go see them. It’s not without some aggravation to me and my Web Mistress, Miss Storm, as some fanatical fans seem to take their frustration with the whole singer situation out on myself and

[Rockindeano]

I need to answer a question..I literally forgot to answer PF's question.

When I went to the WOF ceromony, I saw and met Mr. Perry. The dude still has an aura about him. No, I didn't tell him what I personally think of...that he is selfish, controlling, arrogant, and a pussy for a "hip injury." I shook his hand and asked if would be stopping by the House of Blues later in the night..He quickly went to the next person...

It was a magical day, where everyone was hugs and smiles, myself included. I got to tell you though, if I was thinking about this particular thread and all the bullshit Perry caused, the way he fucked over his drummer and bassist and manager, and then shit on the band and the TBF tour, I might have said something. Mark and Brian love the guy(I don't know if they do anymore), and Perry was whispering words at them as they spoke..

Like I said, Perry has such a beautiful voice, that has to be the only way he ever "made it" in this business. Because I cannot think of Neal Schon, Herbie Herbert, Smitty and Valory wanting him around. He has whats called baggage, and it is all bad. He knows he was a bastard during TBF and seemed to admit to it a little during the BTM special. I don't think he has the guts to say, "I'm sorry." To fire two members of your band, is what some asshole would do. Yes, there it is, I called Mr. Steve perry an asshole. It's the truth, so I don't want to hear anyone bitch about namecalling..This isn't romper room, it's a rock n roll board.

Furthermore, I referred to Journey as " a well oiled machine" and someone said more like "greasy leftovers." Hey no problem, you're entitled to your opinion, but if Journey is shit now, that makes Perry even worse...see, Perry is doing nothing, and Journey is still going. Why don't you discuss Perry on a Perry board? Oh, there isn't one, because the singer does not sing anylonger.


Andrew, that is a great idea...Make a Perry board, so all these Journey haters can go drool at the Portugese God...please, I'm begging you.

[Rockindeano]

I need to answer a question..I literally forgot to answer PF's question.

When I went to the WOF ceromony, I saw and met Mr. Perry. The dude still has an aura about him. No, I didn't tell him what I personally think of...that he is selfish, controlling, arrogant, and a pussy for a "hip injury." I shook his hand and asked if would be stopping by the House of Blues later in the night..He quickly went to the next person...

It was a magical day, where everyone was hugs and smiles, myself included. I got to tell you though, if I was thinking about this particular thread and all the bullshit Perry caused, the way he fucked over his drummer and bassist and manager, and then shit on the band and the TBF tour, I might have said something. Mark and Brian love the guy(I don't know if they do anymore), and Perry was whispering words at them as they spoke..

Like I said, Perry has such a beautiful voice, that has to be the only way he ever "made it" in this business. Because I cannot think of Neal Schon, Herbie Herbert, Smitty and Valory wanting him around. He has whats called baggage, and it is all bad. He knows he was a bastard during TBF and seemed to admit to it a little during the BTM special. I don't think he has the guts to say, "I'm sorry." To fire two members of your band, is what some asshole would do. Yes, there it is, I called Mr. Steve perry an asshole. It's the truth, so I don't want to hear anyone bitch about namecalling..This isn't romper room, it's a rock n roll board.

Furthermore, I referred to Journey as " a well oiled machine" and someone said more like "greasy leftovers." Hey no problem, you're entitled to your opinion, but if Journey is shit now, that makes Perry even worse...see, Perry is doing nothing, and Journey is still going. Why don't you discuss Perry on a Perry board? Oh, there isn't one, because the singer does not sing anylonger.


Andrew, that is a great idea...Make a Perry board, so all these Journey haters can go drool at the Portugese God...please, I'm begging you.

[Abitaman]

Lights, and Wheel in the Sky did not make the top 40. Journey's first top 40 hit came of the cd Evolution, any quess what song that was?-ERIC

[The_Noble_Cause]

Andrew, that is a great idea...Make a Perry board, so all these Journey haters can go drool at the Portugese God...please, I'm begging you.

They'd never use it.
Look at all the threads on this board right now.
How many are actually about Steve Perry? Maybe 1 or 2 at best.
These people are here to bash current Journey, not talk about Perry.
I think it would be great if they talked about Perry's contributions to the group and reminisced about the good times. I even started a post about which of the classic Journey albums were the best. It got very few responses.
See, these people do not seriously want to discuss Steve Perry or his time with the band. All they want to do is spew virtiolic hate against the current lineup, it's fans and in the process overturn every thread into an endless pissing match between Augeri vs. Perry.

[Rockindeano]

NC, I just re-read that Herbie interview.....

Amazing guy, eh? I believe the man. He hasn't anything to hide. I was really surprised to find out what a bad guy Cain was/is, or Valory doing blow, and Gregg being the leader of Santana, and Carlos was a dick and wouldn't let Neal be inducted into the HOF, and what an incredible ass Perry was and will always be...

[perryfaithful]

growin' yet??

[jrnyman28]

Andrew, that is a great idea...Make a Perry board, so all these Journey haters can go drool at the Portugese God...please, I'm begging you.

They'd never use it.
Look at all the threads on this board right now.
How many are actually about Steve Perry? Maybe 1 or 2 at best.
These people are here to bash current Journey, not talk about Perry.
I think it would be great if they talked about Perry's contributions to the group and reminisced about the good times. I even started a post about which of the classic Journey albums were the best. It got very few responses.
See, these people do not seriously want to discuss Steve Perry or his time with the band. All they want to do is spew virtiolic hate against the current lineup, it's fans and in the process overturn every thread into an endless pissing match between Augeri vs. Perry.

Hey NC,
being a part of the VH1 boards, I clearly remember what happened when VH1 created a Perry Board. All the Perry fans went to the Perry board to ooh and ahh about him, naming ice cream flavors after him and such. And it was peaceful for a while. But then the Perry-only fans would go to the Journey board, trash the band and Steve, and then "run back" to the Perry board and brag. So the Journey fans went over to the Perry board and :returned the favor" and it just became a blood bath. Many of the same people post here now. In fact, this board got a big boost when VH1 got tired of the crap and shut down the Journey and Perry boards. But, if you think it is frustrating here, you REALLY would have lost your cool there! I thank the VH1 boards for teaching me how to remove my emotions from posting in this debate. It is a lesson that has served me well!

[Monker]

Lights, and Wheel in the Sky did not make the top 40. Journey's first top 40 hit came of the cd Evolution, any quess what song that was?-ERIC

Here is the chart info up thru TBF...It is OBVIOUS that Journey was not a hit maker prior to Escape.

Date Title Highest Position
09/96 When You Love A Woman 12
01/92 Lights (released for Time3) 74
04/87 Why Can't This Night Go On Forever 60
12/86 I'll Be Alright Without You 14
09/86 Girl Can't Help It 17
07/86 Suzanne 17
04/86 Be Good To Yourself 9
02/85 Only The Young 9
10/83 Send Her My Love 23
07/83 After The Fall 23
04/83 Faithfully 12
02/83 Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) 8
06/82 Still They Ride 19
01/82 Open Arms 2
11/81 Don't Stop Believin' 9
08/81(1) Who's Crying Now 4
04/81 The Party's Over 34
08/80 Good Morning Girl/Stay Awhile 55
07/80 Walks Like A Lady 32
03/80 Any Way You Want It 23
01/80 Too Late 70
08/79 Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' 16
04/79 Just The Same Way 58
08/78 Lights 68
07/78 Anytime 83
04/78 Wheel In The Sky 57

Here is the album charts:

Date Title Position RIAA Status
04/98 Greatest Hits Live 79 N/A
10/96 Trial By Fire 3 1x Platinum(1)
11/92 Time3 90 N/A (2)
01/89 Greatest Hits 8 9x Platinum(3)
05/86 Raised On Radio 4 2x Platinum
02/83 Frontiers 2 6x Platinum(4)
08/81 Escape 1 9x Platinum
02/81 Captured 9 2x Platinum
04/80 Dream, After Dream N/A N/A
03/80 Departure 8 3x Platinum
01/80 In The Beginning 152 N/A
04/79 Evolution 20 3x Platinum
03/78 Infinity 21 3x Platinum
01/77 Next 85 N/A
01/76 Look Into The Future 100 N/A
04/75 Journey 138 N/A

[PROPERRY]

I need to answer a question..I literally forgot to answer PF's question.

When I went to the WOF ceromony, I saw and met Mr. Perry. The dude still has an aura about him. No, I didn't tell him what I personally think of...that he is selfish, controlling, arrogant, and a pussy for a "hip injury." I shook his hand and asked if would be stopping by the House of Blues later in the night..He quickly went to the next person...

It was a magical day, where everyone was hugs and smiles, myself included. I got to tell you though, if I was thinking about this particular thread and all the bullshit Perry caused, the way he fucked over his drummer and bassist and manager, and then shit on the band and the TBF tour, I might have said something. Mark and Brian love the guy(I don't know if they do anymore), and Perry was whispering words at them as they spoke..

Like I said, Perry has such a beautiful voice, that has to be the only way he ever "made it" in this business. Because I cannot think of Neal Schon, Herbie Herbert, Smitty and Valory wanting him around. He has whats called baggage, and it is all bad. He knows he was a bastard during TBF and seemed to admit to it a little during the BTM special. I don't think he has the guts to say, "I'm sorry." To fire two members of your band, is what some asshole would do. Yes, there it is, I called Mr. Steve perry an asshole. It's the truth, so I don't want to hear anyone bitch about namecalling..This isn't romper room, it's a rock n roll board.

Furthermore, I referred to Journey as " a well oiled machine" and someone said more like "greasy leftovers." Hey no problem, you're entitled to your opinion, but if Journey is shit now, that makes Perry even worse...see, Perry is doing nothing, and Journey is still going. Why don't you discuss Perry on a Perry board? Oh, there isn't one, because the singer does not sing anylonger.


Andrew, that is a great idea...Make a Perry board, so all these Journey haters can go drool at the Portugese God...please, I'm begging you.

It seems to me that YOU sure do carry a lot of baggage here for just being a fan of Journey!

Geeze, why would you even approah Perry at all at the WOF??? Since you feel this badly towards Perry, then why didn't you just avoid speaking to Perry & go talk to the other band members????

Geeze, you even shook Perry's hand & then asked if HE was coming to the House of Blues??? Why would that even really MATTER to you, since YOU feel, SO angry & hold him, SO responsible for everything that ever happened in Journey???

You even stated, that "you could not think of Neal, Herbie,& Ross wanting him around", but yet,your still asking Perry, if he is coming to the House of blues???

And if you think Neal does not want Perry around, then why was "Neal asking Perry publicly" at the WOF to come sing with Journey at that 4 hour Journey concert that is being held, I think in the summer???

Do YOU think that Neal was just being a hypocrit & inviting Perry to that special event to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media??? Are you saing that you don't think that Neal 's invitation was genuine & that he really wasn't wanting Perry to attend the event???



And rock'ndeano, if name calling & "loosing control of yourself" is the ONLY way you are ABLE to express your thoughts, well then go right a head! Doesn't bother me, it only makes you look bad!


Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

at that 4 hour Journey concert that is being held, I think in the summer???

It's not just ONE concert thats going to being held sometime this summer.
EVERY single concert this summer is going to range from 3-4 hours.
Should be an amazing tour, with each show encompassing a vast and encompassing range of the band's material.
You oughtta come, i think you'll enjoy it!

[Rockindeano]

Geeze, why would you even approah Perry at all at the WOF??? Since you feel this badly towards Perry, then why didn't you just avoid speaking to Perry & go talk to the other band members????

Geeze, you even shook Perry's hand & then asked if HE was coming to the House of Blues??? Why would that even really MATTER to you, since YOU feel, SO angry & hold him, SO responsible for everything that ever happened in Journey???

You even stated, that "you could not think of Neal, Herbie,& Ross wanting him around", but yet,your still asking Perry, if he is coming to the House of blues???

And if you think Neal does not want Perry around, then why was "Neal asking Perry publicly" at the WOF to come sing with Journey at that 4 hour Journey concert that is being held, I think in the summer???

Do YOU think that Neal was just being a hypocrit & inviting Perry to that special event to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media??? Are you saing that you don't think that Neal 's invitation was genuine & that he really wasn't wanting Perry to attend the event???

Lori[/quote]



Lori, you are the one who looks bad, defending a guy with an incredible voice, yet is plainly, and simply..a dick.

I really don't know why Neal asked him publicly, because I am not him, but maybe it was the fact that everyone was a happy and everyone shared in a memorable event. Perhaps Neal wanted perry to sing because he wanted him to; maybe he asked him to sing, because he knows he really can'y hit the notes anylonger. If that statement bothers you, read Herbies comment about tuning down Don't Stop believin 2 notches so the guy could sing it....and Perry insisted the Herbie write down the words so he could remember them..now that is screwed up.



And rock'ndeano, if name calling & "loosing control of yourself" is the ONLY way you are ABLE to express your thoughts, well then go right a head! Doesn't bother me, it only makes you look bad!


Lori[/quote]


Hey Lori, before you tell me I look bad, learn how to spell. It's lose, not loose, honey.

[heardonthestreet]

Awwwwww Deno. Everyone makes spelling mistakes, and now and then mistakes in grammer, whatever, but only the crude, thoughtless people who can't make a point any other way, bring it to anyones attention. Like Lori stated, again you only make yourself look bad.

[PROPERRY]

Geeze, why would you even approah Perry at all at the WOF??? Since you feel this badly towards Perry, then why didn't you just avoid speaking to Perry & go talk to the other band members????

Geeze, you even shook Perry's hand & then asked if HE was coming to the House of Blues??? Why would that even really MATTER to you, since YOU feel, SO angry & hold him, SO responsible for everything that ever happened in Journey???

You even stated, that "you could not think of Neal, Herbie,& Ross wanting him around", but yet,your still asking Perry, if he is coming to the House of blues???

And if you think Neal does not want Perry around, then why was "Neal asking Perry publicly" at the WOF to come sing with Journey at that 4 hour Journey concert that is being held, I think in the summer???

Do YOU think that Neal was just being a hypocrit & inviting Perry to that special event to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media??? Are you saing that you don't think that Neal 's invitation was genuine & that he really wasn't wanting Perry to attend the event???

Lori

Lori, you are the one who looks bad, defending a guy with an incredible voice, yet is plainly, and simply..a dick.

I really don't know why Neal asked him publicly, because I am not him, but maybe it was the fact that everyone was a happy and everyone shared in a memorable event. Perhaps Neal wanted perry to sing because he wanted him to; maybe he asked him to sing, because he knows he really can'y hit the notes anylonger. If that statement bothers you, read Herbies comment about tuning down Don't Stop believin 2 notches so the guy could sing it....and Perry insisted the Herbie write down the words so he could remember them..now that is screwed up.



And rock'ndeano, if name calling & "loosing control of yourself" is the ONLY way you are ABLE to express your thoughts, well then go right a head! Doesn't bother me, it only makes you look bad!


Lori[/quote]


Hey Lori, before you tell me I look bad, learn how to spell. It's lose, not loose, honey.[/quote]








Hey rock'ndeano,

You might want to check you OWN spelling. It is can't, not can'y, as you said.

You sure are contradicting yourself! On one hand, you credit him for having an 'incredible voice", then in another paragraph your implying that "Perry can't hit the notes any longer".

And if Perry wanted to "tune down" the song, "Don't Stop believin", so what? How is 'tuning down' a song a put down to Perry????

Perry has an amazing talented voice, so HE can sing ANY song any way HE chooses & I'd be right there loving it!!!!!!


YES, I'm defending Perry! I'm proud to be a Perry Fan!

Although, I've never had the opportunity to meet Perry in person, I'm a genuine fan of his! Unlike you, I don't pass myself off as a fan of his, & shake his hand at the WOF, then turn around & call him names on a message board.

Lori

[jrnyman28]

Date Title Highest Position
09/96 When You Love A Woman 12
01/92 Lights (released for Time3) 74
04/87 Why Can't This Night Go On Forever 60
12/86 I'll Be Alright Without You 14
09/86 Girl Can't Help It 17
07/86 Suzanne 17
04/86 Be Good To Yourself 9
02/85 Only The Young 9
10/83 Send Her My Love 23
07/83 After The Fall 23
04/83 Faithfully 12
02/83 Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) 8
06/82 Still They Ride 19
01/82 Open Arms 2
11/81 Don't Stop Believin' 9
08/81(1) Who's Crying Now 4
04/81 The Party's Over 34
08/80 Good Morning Girl/Stay Awhile 55
07/80 Walks Like A Lady 32
03/80 Any Way You Want It 23
01/80 Too Late 70
08/79 Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' 16
04/79 Just The Same Way 58
08/78 Lights 68
07/78 Anytime 83
04/78 Wheel In The Sky 57

Here is the album charts:

Date Title Position RIAA Status
04/98 Greatest Hits Live 79 N/A
10/96 Trial By Fire 3 1x Platinum(1)
11/92 Time3 90 N/A (2)
01/89 Greatest Hits 8 9x Platinum(3)
05/86 Raised On Radio 4 2x Platinum
02/83 Frontiers 2 6x Platinum(4)
08/81 Escape 1 9x Platinum
02/81 Captured 9 2x Platinum
04/80 Dream, After Dream N/A N/A
03/80 Departure 8 3x Platinum
01/80 In The Beginning 152 N/A
04/79 Evolution 20 3x Platinum
03/78 Infinity 21 3x Platinum
01/77 Next 85 N/A
01/76 Look Into The Future 100 N/A
04/75 Journey 138 N/A

I thought WYLAW went to #3...was that on a separate AC Chart?
And I noticed that, with each pre-Perry album, Journey ranked higher. So they were headed in the right direction already. Sure there was a BIG jump with Infinity. That was, I am sure, related to TWO factors: Perry's voice AND a satisfied record company promoting Infinity.

But if you listen to Next and then you listen to Infinity, MUSICALLY they do not sound very different. Journey was evolving with every album and the transition to Infinity was not severe. There was a bigger change between Departure and Escape. And a bigger change between Frontiers and ROR.

[jrnyman28]

I got to tell you though, if I was thinking about this particular thread and all the bullshit Perry caused,

It seems to me that YOU sure do carry a lot of baggage here for just being a fan of Journey!

Geeze, why would you even approah Perry at all at the WOF??? Since you feel this badly towards Perry, then why didn't you just avoid speaking to Perry & go talk to the other band members????

Geeze, you even shook Perry's hand & then asked if HE was coming to the House of Blues??? Why would that even really MATTER to you, since YOU feel, SO angry & hold him, SO responsible for everything that ever happened in Journey???

You even stated, that "you could not think of Neal, Herbie,& Ross wanting him around", but yet,your still asking Perry, if he is coming to the House of blues???

If you will notice, as I highlighted in Deano's quote, that he said IF HE HAD thought of this thread!!

And if you think Neal does not want Perry around, then why was "Neal asking Perry publicly" at the WOF to come sing with Journey at that 4 hour Journey concert that is being held, I think in the summer???

Sorry if I am answering for Deano but I think Neal wanted to show that he held no ill will toward Perry. I think Neal just wants to have the chance at a cool show featuring the HISTORY of Journey.

Do YOU think that Neal was just being a hypocrit & inviting Perry to that special event to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media???

No. But it IS the best PR Neal has ever done for Journey.

Are you saing that you don't think that Neal 's invitation was genuine & that he really wasn't wanting Perry to attend the event???

I really don't think Deano was saying that.
And I personally think Neal was very sincere.

[jrnyman28]

Awwwwww Deno. Everyone makes spelling mistakes, and now and then mistakes in grammer, whatever, but only the crude, thoughtless people who can't make a point any other way, bring it to anyones attention. Like Lori stated, again you only make yourself look bad.

I agree HOTS...I HATE it when people start criticizing the spelling or grammar of a post and NOT the content.

[jrnyman28]

You sure are contradicting yourself! On one hand, you credit him for having an 'incredible voice", then in another paragraph your implying that "Perry can't hit the notes any longer".

Both are true. There is no contradiction. Perry can no longer hit the high notes but he does still have a wonderful voice.

And if Perry wanted to "tune down" the song, "Don't Stop believin", so what? How is 'tuning down' a song a put down to Perry????

If it was intended to be a put-down, then I would expect that it refers to the fact that Perry cannot hit the high notes.

Perry has an amazing talented voice, so HE can sing ANY song any way HE chooses & I'd be right there loving it!!!!!!

I would love to hear Perry sing again. I just hope that if chooses to, he has good material.

YES, I'm defending Perry! I'm proud to be a Perry Fan!

Here comes the question...if you are a Perry fan , not a Journey fan, why do you come to a Journey Board?

Although, I've never had the opportunity to meet Perry in person, I'm a genuine fan of his! Unlike you, I don't pass myself off as a fan of his, & shake his hand at the WOF, then turn around & call him names on a message board.

Lori

While I can see your point about sounding two-faced, that does not mean Deano is not a fan of Perry's talents. You can be a fan of Perry, the singer, and NOT Perry the person.

[Abitaman]

WYLAW charted on the a/c charts. The # 3 was album chart for TBF. Could be wrong, been years since I looked at it-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

Screw all of you. HOTS, what the Hell is YOUR problem? You start this stupid-assed thread, stay silent for about 150 straight replies, then "come to the aid of little Lori." I don't give a shit anymore. I LOVE what Steve Perry did for Journey and what he did for me. I loved and still do love, his voice. How I am different from the "Pro Perry" people is I can look at all the complete shit he caused, the number of people who cannot stand the bastard, and the way he cowardly left the scene. He had no intention of going on a TBF tour, and that makes me sick. Fuck him, because IMO, he fucked the very fans that both adore him and the fans that made him rich......

Lori, I don't know who you are but you are obviously so biased that you cannot realize the truth. Perry is a bad guy, plain and simple. That's probably a real big reason why the Band will never see Cleveland. How do I know he is a bad guy? I listen and read what many, many people in the rock n roll scene say...they all can't be wrong can they? Hey Lori, where there's smoke, there's fire.


This "certain wing" of the Journey board makes me sick...sick to my stomach. You are all so Goddamned Pro Perry, that you cannot stand to see Journey moving forward. You slam their shows, slam their new singer, slam their cd sales(as if they could be any higher now that we have hip hop, and no one sells records anymore in the melodic rock world), and slam every other facet I forgot to mention. Screw you. This is a JOURNEY board. I don't mind dissension, in fact I can't stand all the rah rah shit at Backtalk..."Happy Birthday, Deen" or "Let's hear it for Steve A"..that sucks. This is a good board, except the negative Perry supporters who want nothing more than to rain on the current Journey because the precious portugese god isn't on board. Keep doing it, because he will never put anything out again.

Finally, I am NOT two faced. I was kind to Perry, took off work to just see and meet the man. I had heard horrible things about him, but up until the WOF, I gave Perry the benefit of the doubt. I researched in deep detail to find out some horrible shit he has done and caused to people and fans, and he can kiss my fat ass. I don't care about fighting with you anymore; I know I'm right, you all "hope" that you are defending a sweet lovable, wholesome guy.

I don't hate anyone here, but I hate what you are all doing(pro Perry people). It's not constructive, and it sure in the Hell isn't informative.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Screw all of you. HOTS, what the Hell is YOUR problem? You start this stupid-assed thread, stay silent for about 150 straight replies, then "come to the aid of little Lori." I don't give a shit anymore. I LOVE what Steve Perry did for Journey and what he did for me. I loved and still do love, his voice. How I am different from the "Pro Perry" people is I can look at all the complete shit he caused, the number of people who cannot stand the bastard, and the way he cowardly left the scene. He had no intention of going on a TBF tour, and that makes me sick. Fuck him, because IMO, he fucked the very fans that both adore him and the fans that made him rich......

Lori, I don't know who you are but you are obviously so biased that you cannot realize the truth. Perry is a bad guy, plain and simple. That's probably a real big reason why the Band will never see Cleveland. How do I know he is a bad guy? I listen and read what many, many people in the rock n roll scene say...they all can't be wrong can they? Hey Lori, where there's smoke, there's fire.


This "certain wing" of the Journey board makes me sick...sick to my stomach. You are all so Goddamned Pro Perry, that you cannot stand to see Journey moving forward. You slam their shows, slam their new singer, slam their cd sales(as if they could be any higher now that we have hip hop, and no one sells records anymore in the melodic rock world), and slam every other facet I forgot to mention. Screw you. This is a JOURNEY board. I don't mind dissension, in fact I can't stand all the rah rah shit at Backtalk..."Happy Birthday, Deen" or "Let's hear it for Steve A"..that sucks. This is a good board, except the negative Perry supporters who want nothing more than to rain on the current Journey because the precious portugese god isn't on board. Keep doing it, because he will never put anything out again.

Finally, I am NOT two faced. I was kind to Perry, took off work to just see and meet the man. I had heard horrible things about him, but up until the WOF, I gave Perry the benefit of the doubt. I researched in deep detail to find out some horrible shit he has done and caused to people and fans, and he can kiss my fat ass. I don't care about fighting with you anymore; I know I'm right, you all "hope" that you are defending a sweet lovable, wholesome guy.

I don't hate anyone here, but I hate what you are all doing(pro Perry people). It's not constructive, and it sure in the Hell isn't informative.

Amen!
Hallelujah brother!

NC, and Jrnyman- I can't believe you are going to side with those folks.....I am not looking for allies, for I don't need them; I just thought that you would see them as only disruptive forces, which they are.

Ok, I was with ya there for awhile, but now you've lost me at this part. Since when did I side with the enemy? Just a few posts back I believe I went on record for the billionth time stating....
"See, these people do not seriously want to discuss Steve Perry or his time with the band. All they want to do is spew virtiolic hate against the current lineup, it's fans and in the process overturn every thread into an endless pissing match between Augeri vs. Perry."

[Abitaman]

Come on guys, does there have to be so much cussing in your posts. I know the freedom of speech thing, but it just makes you....well I will not go there. I believe we all have a righht to disagree, and a right to state our opinon, but enough is enough.
I agree a few people come to this board, who do not like Journey, and do not want them to move move forward. And they will never care for a Journey cd, no matter how good it is, or how well it sales, or how big the tour is. They will not care, because Steve Perry is no longer in it. All of use who believe Journey has bad a right choice, will never ever be able to change their mind, and cussing will only lower us to their level.-ERIC