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[NealIsGod]

Anyone notice how the people on the other side of the fence here are the ones who are always on the other side of the fence with the majority in here? Just an observation.

[Melissa]

Fire, just for your info, the MR party was the night before the concert. Journey didn't appear at any pre-show parties the day of the concert. Now if they did meet and greets plus ILAA at Balitmore, I don't know. i wasn't there.

Yes, I know. I would be interested to know if they did show up to ILAA in Baltimore and for how long...

They did a meet & greet for us ILAA losers in Baltimore, lol. I've seen ILAA get made fun of here but I don't care, I had a blast, & was front & center & enjoyed every second of Jeff singing right to me, even though it was just a few seconds, lol.

Still trying to figure out the photobucket thing to share my pics, hope to sometime today!

[Eric]

No I missed no point. Party Thursday in my opinion it was in bad taste and disrespectful to his so-called friend Frank for Ross to show up where Deano was. Jeff I guess I just expected it from him. MY OPINION....MY BEEF WITH THE BAND. I didn't bring it here. I posted it on BT, it was closed, which I expected, but enough people saw it to question it themselves.

Pulling out the violin......

[Eric]

That is exactly why I was pissed about ILAA when it was first announced. I had third row seats for $50/ticket for Main Event...which was awesome. That will NEVER happen again at a Journey concert, as long as they do ILAA.

I have to agree...ILAA doesn't seem to be a good thing to me. It eats up a lot of seats, and takes away some of the skill of grabbing good seats. However, if the band profits, then ultimately that is good - you can't blame them. You can always scalp right at the door for not too bad of a price....

[Eric]

Just to clarify for you. The two parties were not at the same time. The BT gathering was on Friday before the show. My point was that they did not require an invite to that because it was posted on their official Dixie Highway Forum. And they could have just as easily gone to that on Friday.

Hey MCC.....can you go fix the film projector...and then bash the chalk out of the erasers.

[Eric]

Maybe the reason no-one asked how the show was is because none of you seem to be interested in the actual show. You were too busy harping on about your wee party.

LOL! That's true too! Did ANY of them actualy post a review...or were they too busy posting party pics?

Well maybe the show wasn't one of the better ones, so God Forbid they post a less than stellar review.

Thats just dumb. Congrats....you are the worst poster on here!

[MCC620]

No Eric what I said is true....where are the glowing reviews about how great this show was? All the glowing is about a party that JSS and Ross attended.

And the comment about Dixie Highway was sarcasm. My point was if they would read their "official site" and boy do I use that term loosely these days, they could have been the heroes and surprised some fans at a pre-show party. That would definitely have upped the ticket sales.

Wasn't my party at the Hard Rock, I was just struck by how the band chose the people on this site that continue to bash previous line-ups and bash the posters on the "official site". It absolutely shows me where their priorities lie. And that would be in the crude and tasteless crowd.

And I am in no way crying about my post being closed and deleted on BT. It got out there and quite a few people saw it. And that was my entire objective.

Going to work, so I will not be able to respond to your answer. JUst clarifying because some like to accuse me of running away from a fight. Never have and never will.

[NealIsGod]

Wasn't my party at the Hard Rock, I was just struck by how the band chose the people on this site that continue to bash previous line-ups and bash the posters on the "official site". It absolutely shows me where their priorities lie. And that would be in the crude and tasteless crowd.

OK, now here is where you are deluded. The band knows that most of the people who post here are not fawning sycophants who praise their every move. The fact that we say what we think, whether it be good or bad, is probably the reason some band members find this forum much more interesting than the one where you can't speak your mind.

[ohsherrie]

They did a meet & greet for us ILAA losers in Baltimore, lol. I've seen ILAA get made fun of here but I don't care, I had a blast, & was front & center & enjoyed every second of Jeff singing right to me, even though it was just a few seconds, lol.

Still trying to figure out the photobucket thing to share my pics, hope to sometime today!

So what is all the controversy regarding ILAA and AR's party? The band hung out with some fans Thursday night, and also fulfilled their ILAA obligation Friday night.

This isn't directed at you Melissa or any othe particular poster on either board, just a thought:

If all this is because some ILAA members disapprove of some of the people who were at AR's party that's where it begins to sound a little JR Highish to me.(not that the constant "hippo" remarks against the BT ladies aren't just as childish) The guys in the band are grown men and were obviously able to take whatever criticism they received on this board as such because they knew it came from truly devoted fans. It might have been a little over-the-top, or even crude at times, but maybe a little of that is refreshing to them sometimes as opposed to a constant fawning worshipfest.

[SteveForever]

Wasn't my party at the Hard Rock, I was just struck by how the band chose the people on this site that continue to bash previous line-ups and bash the posters on the "official site". It absolutely shows me where their priorities lie. And that would be in the crude and tasteless crowd.

OK, now here is where you are deluded. The band knows that most of the people who post here are not fawning syncophants who praise their every move. The fact that we say what we think, whether it be good or bad, is probably the reason some band members find this forum much more interesting than the one where you can't speak your mind.

Anyone can be anyone on the internet, you don't know who you are talking to or who they are pretending to be. Even a deranged person can post as a somewhat "normal" person or post as someone that has insider information. The band knows no such thing about fans. That's why there is a velvet rope and security guards. Bottom line: posters on here aren't in the band and don't make band decisions, Journey can do whatever they want to whenever they want to in regards to events and promotions, nothing anyone says on this forum is going to direct their moves. The fans at this site are no better than any OTHER site.*

[Citygirl]

You know what I think the next album should be called? Pissabout.

Cos that's all they do these days... piss about.

[lights1961]

Ok, time to get on the merr-go-round...

What happened in that "Where's the love?" thread just makes me laugh. You guys TOTALY ignored the point...so I'm going to rephrase it my way.

During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored the ILAA after concert events. That's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. During this ENTIRE tour, Journey has all but ignored any fan gatherings and it seems they always have an open invitation to attend. That's also a fact, whether you want to admit it or not.

So, if you are a fan who paid 5-10 times the ticket price for ILAA, the band ignored you. If you are a fan who put together an after show gathering, the band ignored you. As I have said for a while now. the band is about making money - not about the fans any longer. The above is all evidence of it...whether you want to admit it or not. The band is very happy to take your money, but very reluctant to give you any attention.

So, now we come to this latest party with JSS and Ross. I HIGHLY doubt that these people bought a ILAA pass, LOL - too funny. It seems for whatever reason, this party was just a bit more irresistable then the others on the tour that they passed on. Maybe it was the people involved, maybe it was the timing, maybe it was the location. Who cares what it was?

The bottom line is: If I had bought an ILAA pass, I'd be pissed. If I had put together an after show party, I'd be pissed. Not out of 'jealousy', or envy, or whatever...but because this band ignores the fans who have over and over again showed the love and have put out HUNDREDS of dollars per tour on passes, or thrown put together the same type of parties in their honor. Instead they spend their time with those who continously bash, insult, threaten, wished they would die, etc...their actions simply adds injury to the insults.

It's throwing salt in a wound...and it makes it obvious that this band has very little love to give back to their fans. They put little or no effort in it when it counts.

Now, before all of the "jealousy" comments come...LOL...that's not even CLOSE to the truth. I have NO desire to go to a party like this....no matter who shows up, or who put it together - for some of these very reasons. I also have no desire to buy ILAA passes - because I could see from the start that it was all about the money - and not REALLY about the fans.

So, jealousy has NOTHING to do with it in my case. I can just see it from the perspective of those slighted fans. It's too bad others here can't...and it's too bad the band refuses to.

I always thought the ILAA was BEFORE CONCERT EVENTS... afterwords... Journey is on the road to the next city... and again---I will say it... BEING JEALOUS... is only reason to post threads like these!! For those to say they are not jealous... in the cynical world we live in.... they are jealous...

MHO...


Rick

[Citygirl]

I don't think anyone is jealous. I think they make a fair point.

Some people on here just don't want to think about that.

[NealIsGod]

I don't think anyone is jealous. I think they make a fair point.

Some people on here just don't want to think about that.

Or maybe they just don't agree with it?

[Chakra]

As Saint John and NIG said, this party wasn't a PR requirement, it was just a chance for the guys to hang out with some people for a while in a relaxed, social atmosphere rather than being fawned over. It's a whole different thing.

I disagree. I think this fan/band member exchange only happened because of melodicrock.com, which is a PR machine for this genre at this point in time. No offense to the attendees of the party, but I imagine there were many hotter spots to hang out at, so I assuming that they did so for a reason. I think it goes back to the Augeri issue.

Until now, there have been basically two explanations for the tapegate controversy:

1) Augeri is evil-incarnate, and he enjoyed betraying the fans (single 'gunman' theory)

or

2) The band felt they couldn't afford to make another lead singer change (economics)

or

3)?

What if, out of gratitude for Augeri's loyalty, the band tried to remain loyal to him by continuing with him for 2 years hoping that his voice would improve? However, had they been truly loyal they would have taken a year off, not embarking on a tour with 3hr shows. Neal wanted to rock...I don't know how much that was his personal desire or due to how seriously he took a vocal group of hardcore fans during the whole Arrival/Napster controversy. Soul Sirkus was not economically viable, but Journey was not his, to completely control. Tapegate then benefited him by giving him the excuse needed to jettison Augeri and bring his buddy JSS. JSS is of course appreciative of the opportunity. This could explain why Jon was not too enthusiastic at first, but then got on board later as the shows mostly 'rock' audiences ate JSS-Journey up. Could it be that Jon was Augeri's main backer? Since, JSS and Andrew are tight and Andrew and Deano are friends, it's not that difficult to see why he would attend the party. PR-wise, I feel it was a risk though. Arguably, without Deano's noisy tapegate campaign, JSS wouldn't have the Journey job right now. Instead, he'd still be languishing in melodicrock obscurity. This gives the appearance that some type of 'corrupt bargain' might have taken place.

I feel that the recording potential of JSS-Journey is about what Generations is. JSS-Journey fans are clamoring for a new cd, presumably so that JSS would have to sing fewer of the hits, in which Perry's vocal style is so indelibally engrained. This direction is not going to allow them to sell a significant number of cds. I also feel that it will push the band into having to headline with hard rock groups, as the casual fans gradually find out about the change in direction. I don't think that JSS's youthful, hipper appearance will be enough to offset the drastic vocal change.

Fantastic post!!! There is definitely a CORRUPT BARGAIN in place. It has been in the works a long while, prior to "Tapegate". The wolves in sheep clothing will be revealed...............

[Melissa]

They did a meet & greet for us ILAA losers in Baltimore, lol. I've seen ILAA get made fun of here but I don't care, I had a blast, & was front & center & enjoyed every second of Jeff singing right to me, even though it was just a few seconds, lol.

Still trying to figure out the photobucket thing to share my pics, hope to sometime today!

So what is all the controversy regarding ILAA and AR's party? The band hung out with some fans Thursday night, and also fulfilled their ILAA obligation Friday night.

This isn't directed at you Melissa or any othe particular poster on either board, just a thought:

If all this is because some ILAA members disapprove of some of the people who were at AR's party that's where it begins to sound a little JR Highish to me.(not that the constant "hippo" remarks against the BT ladies aren't just as childish) The guys in the band are grown men and were obviously able to take whatever criticism they received on this board as such because they knew it came from truly devoted fans. It might have been a little over-the-top, or even crude at times, but maybe a little of that is refreshing to them sometimes as opposed to a constant fawning worshipfest.

Oh I'm not offended in the least bit, trust me, lol. I'm new to all this anyhow, & my friend is the one who found out about ILAA, & we just thought it sounded like fun that's all, lol. And it was!!! I think the party sounded great too, would have loved to have gone (if we were welcome that is, lol ). Heck yeah I'm jealous, but not in a mad way! lol

Like I said, JSS sang right to me, that alone was worth it all, lol.

[junky]

Just to clarify, here is what you get with an ILAA 5* package, taken straight from the order page:

# 5 Star VIP Ticket Package Includes: A ticket in the first 10 rows
# 5 Star laminate
# Exclusive gift bag
# Pre-show party
# VIP parking
# Crowd free merchandise shopping

Nowhere does it mention meeting the band. They have no obligation to ILAA.

As someone who has used ILAA, I personally take offense with Monker saying I should feel slighted.

Monker has no idea what he is talking about, just another attempt to spin negativity.

[fred_journeyman]

Just to clarify, here is what you get with an ILAA 5* package, taken straight from the order page:

# 5 Star VIP Ticket Package Includes: A ticket in the first 10 rows
# 5 Star laminate
# Exclusive gift bag
# Pre-show party
# VIP parking
# Crowd free merchandise shopping

Nowhere does it mention meeting the band. They have no obligation to ILAA.

Monker has no idea what he is talking about, just another attempt to spin negativity.

I'd be interested in knowing two things:
1) Roughly how much extra does it cost to purchase the VIP 5* package?
2) What are the details of the Pre-show party? Is this where you simply party with other fans, or is there some indication that members of the band(s) MIGHT attend as well?

[Carlitto H@kk]

WOW...
Not reading/posting on the weekends makes it so hard to play catch-up

Anyhoo, there is nothing in this thread that I can add since anything I might have thought to add has been said over and over again but I will add this...
For all of you bashing Maria (MCC620), lighten up. Maria is one of the good guys folks.
Her point is simple, she is not upset with most of the folks here. Her distaste is with the band/management right now and the way things have been handled for the past 4-5 months.
While I wholly support the band's move to go on with Jeff, I can see how all the Augeri fans and religious BTers could be upset.
Most folks over there think of MR.com and the posters here as the enemy and Jeff and Ross showing up at the MR.com bash, to them (and it is a little silly) is an insult. They'll get over it. Journey has lost and gained fans constantly throughout thier career because of decisions they've made and this won't be the last time.
Congrat s on a great weekend to those that got to enjoy. I hope another event can be planned that I can attend

[junky]

Just to clarify, here is what you get with an ILAA 5* package, taken straight from the order page:

# 5 Star VIP Ticket Package Includes: A ticket in the first 10 rows
# 5 Star laminate
# Exclusive gift bag
# Pre-show party
# VIP parking
# Crowd free merchandise shopping

Nowhere does it mention meeting the band. They have no obligation to ILAA.

Monker has no idea what he is talking about, just another attempt to spin negativity.

I'd be interested in knowing two things:
1) Roughly how much extra does it cost to purchase the VIP 5* package?
2) What are the details of the Pre-show party? Is this where you simply party with other fans, or is there some indication that members of the band(s) MIGHT attend as well?

It cost roughly 2-3 times more than the ticket price.

What you see above is the only info you get sbout the Pre-show party. There is no indication the members of the band might attend.

[Monker]

Just to clarify, here is what you get with an ILAA 5* package, taken straight from the order page:

# 5 Star VIP Ticket Package Includes: A ticket in the first 10 rows
# 5 Star laminate
# Exclusive gift bag
# Pre-show party
# VIP parking
# Crowd free merchandise shopping

Nowhere does it mention meeting the band. They have no obligation to ILAA.

Monker has no idea what he is talking about, just another attempt to spin negativity.

No, you and others, including Andrew, are seeing things that are not there.

I could see a point in the other thread that people like you IGNORED.

I did NOT say the band was REQUIRED to go to ILAA events. I am saying that if they want to show their love for thier fans they could do these events more often...and, for those who were ignored at ILAA, or the parties held in their honor, it is pretty insulting to see band members partying with those who have expressed so much hatred towards members of BT.

Many of you REFUSE to see that point of view...I can.

[Carlitto H@kk]

it is pretty insulting to see band members partying with those who have expressed so much hatred towards members of BT.

Many of you REFUSE to see that point of view...I can.

Why does this have to be about BT or MR.com???

What if it came down to 'being with people that Jeff and Ross are "friends" with?'
Stu (RVR) has a relationship with Ross and Jeff, like it or not, has gotten to know some of the folks here...
Maybe they just wanted to hang out with some friends???
No PR involved, not being "members of Journey" for one night; just being 2 guys looking
to hang out and mingle with some friends...
Why does everyone have to make this a contest between BT and MR.com???

[ArnelRox]

I am saying that if they want to show their love for thier fans they could do these events more often...and, for those who were ignored at ILAA, or the parties held in their honor, it is pretty insulting to see band members partying with those who have expressed so much hatred towards members of BT.

Many of you REFUSE to see that point of view...I can.

Monker based on what MANY have said in this thread, some of the band DID go to the ILAA event in Baltimore.

Thus, u have NO point.

[ArnelRox]

Why does everyone have to make this a contest between BT and MR.com???

Really! I am glad there is a BT. It suits some people more than this forum does & that is just fine.

[fred_journeyman]

It cost roughly 2-3 times more than the ticket price.

What you see above is the only info you get sbout the Pre-show party. There is no indication the members of the band might attend.

I guess what I'm asking is this: when you login to the site and actually PURCHASE a package, is there in any indication on ANY of the "paperwork" that the VIP pre-show party MIGHT include an appearance by some or all of the band members. I see what it says on that front page, but once you get beyond that and make a purchase, there's probably a lot of "legalese" defining the terms of the purchase.

If there is NO mention anywhere of any members of the band possibly attending a VIP show, and there's no mention anywhere of the band attending ANY ILAA-sponsored party, then for me, there would be no draw to attend that particular party. Just curious, as I've never purchased one of their packages.

It seems weird to me (just from my standpoint) to attend a pre-show party where only other fans might attend. That may very well be the case, but unless a person "knows" a bunch of those people at the party, it would be like attending a party where you knew absolutely no one, but the common denominator is Journey? I realize some would enjoy that, but I can't see paying additional money for THAT to be one of the highlights of the package.

[junky]

Just to clarify, here is what you get with an ILAA 5* package, taken straight from the order page:

# 5 Star VIP Ticket Package Includes: A ticket in the first 10 rows
# 5 Star laminate
# Exclusive gift bag
# Pre-show party
# VIP parking
# Crowd free merchandise shopping

Nowhere does it mention meeting the band. They have no obligation to ILAA.

Monker has no idea what he is talking about, just another attempt to spin negativity.

No, you and others, including Andrew, are seeing things that are not there.

I could see a point in the other thread that people like you IGNORED.

I did NOT say the band was REQUIRED to go to ILAA events. I am saying that if they want to show their love for thier fans they could do these events more often...and, for those who were ignored at ILAA, or the parties held in their honor, it is pretty insulting to see band members partying with those who have expressed so much hatred towards members of BT.

Many of you REFUSE to see that point of view...I can.

I have tried to keep my feelings of some Bters off this board, but their behaviour at the shows is rude. I have been knocked over, pushed and ignored by these people. The band has witnessed this and may be fed up with this behaviour.
Words on a message board are just words, physical actions speak louder.

JSS did show up at a BT party in Las Vegas this year, so it seems pretty even to me.

[junky]

It cost roughly 2-3 times more than the ticket price.

What you see above is the only info you get sbout the Pre-show party. There is no indication the members of the band might attend.

I guess what I'm asking is this: when you login to the site and actually PURCHASE a package, is there in any indication on ANY of the "paperwork" that the VIP pre-show party MIGHT include an appearance by some or all of the band members. I see what it says on that front page, but once you get beyond that and make a purchase, there's probably a lot of "legalese" defining the terms of the purchase.

If there is NO mention anywhere of any members of the band possibly attending a VIP show, and there's no mention anywhere of the band attending ANY ILAA-sponsored party, then for me, there would be no draw to attend that particular party. Just curious, as I've never purchased one of their packages.

It seems weird to me (just from my standpoint) to attend a pre-show party where only other fans might attend. That may very well be the case, but unless a person "knows" a bunch of those people at the party, it would be like attending a party where you knew absolutely no one, but the common denominator is Journey? I realize some would enjoy that, but I can't see paying additional money for THAT to be one of the highlights of the package.

As I said, there is no indication anywhere.

The main reason I've done ILAA is for the front row center tickets, there are ways to pretty much garantee these seats thruogh ILAA. The VIP parking is a huge help, and free booze is nothing to laugh at, especially at venues that don't serve alcohol. The pre-party, i could take it ore leave it, but is is nice to get to know the people you'll be sitting with at the show.

[RPM]

"Monker has no idea what he is talking about, just another attempt to spin negativity."

Its all he ever does .......

[NealIsGod]

"Monker has no idea what he is talking about, just another attempt to spin negativity."

Its all he ever does .......

In his spare time, Monker likes to tell little children that there is no Santa Claus.

[fred_journeyman]

The main reason I've done ILAA is for the front row center tickets, there are ways to pretty much garantee these seats thruogh ILAA. The VIP parking is a huge help, and free booze is nothing to laugh at, especially at venues that don't serve alcohol. The pre-party, i could take it ore leave it, but is is nice to get to know the people you'll be sitting with at the show.

Thanks for the clarification. If I ever used ILAA then, I would use it for seating and VIP parking. The booze and the party is not something I would extra to enjoy.

I detest going to concerts and having to sit toward the back. There seems little point to attend a concert if most of the time, I'm having to look at the big screens to see what's going happening on stage.