Bush Administration lied repeatedly to justify war...what a

[AntonioDJ]

Much like the real voters out there, no one reads past about the 3rd line in any post. Carry on.

[7 Wishes]

This is profound in that it's easier to blame Bush for their or their husbands job going to China, instead of not putting all of their eggs in one preverbial basket. I'm not responsible for myself. Government is responsible for me just like they were responsible for those poor folks in New Orleans.

You, like most neo-cons, completely lack the empathy gene. I make a very good living for myself between teaching, private lessons, and personal training...but I give a lot of what I make away to people in need. So does most of Europe...Americans like you, however, have a "me-first" and "me-only" attitude.

[chf34jmac]

I stayed away from the political thread until now because both sides are just as ridiculous.

Dan with all due respect - Your "indisputable" evidence is a crock of shit. There is absolutely no such thing as indisputable evidence. Anything read is subjective on a reader by reader basis. You and I could read exactly the same thing and come away with two entirely different opinions of it. Take for example, the Bible. How many different interpretations of different passages are there? The interpretation is based on the reader and the specific religions' beliefs right or wrong?

Sherri, I get along with you as well but your "stupidity" attacks on anyone with a differing viewpoint is way beneath you. You are far more intelligent than that.

Barb you are correct that this thread just like all of the other political threads is a waste of time. Neither side will EVER convince the other that they are right about ANYTHING. This is precisely why the citizens get fucked by the government on a recurring basis, and it matters not one iota what party affiliation they are from. Both sides fuck the populace just as readily and eagerly as the other.

Back to your petty bickering, I'm out.

[RedWingFan]

This is profound in that it's easier to blame Bush for their or their husbands job going to China, instead of not putting all of their eggs in one preverbial basket. I'm not responsible for myself. Government is responsible for me just like they were responsible for those poor folks in New Orleans.

You, like most neo-cons, completely lack the empathy gene. I make a very good living for myself between teaching, private lessons, and personal training...but I give a lot of what I make away to people in need. So does most of Europe...Americans like you, however, have a "me-first" and "me-only" attitude.

It's a long stones throw from caring about people and giving (which I do) to surrendering our freedoms in this country bit by bit to socialism. Socialist ideals were tried here before the country gained independence and it failed...miserably. It fails everywhere.

[7 Wishes]

Yeah, well, my dad's a better bowler than yours!!!

[Barb]

You, like most neo-cons, completely lack the empathy gene. I make a very good living for myself between teaching, private lessons, and personal training...but I give a lot of what I make away to people in need. So does most of Europe...Americans like you, however, have a "me-first" and "me-only" attitude.

Here is just one, but search American and charitable and you will have screens full.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... ation.html

Americans are the most charitable people in the world. That is not just a generous exaggeration. The voluntary giving of the American people during times of need has been documented in many different studies. These studies show that Americans will give far more towards helping out their fellow man, in times of trouble, than any other private citizenry in the world. Here are statistics some of those studies have shown.

* The American private citizens gave 1.78 billion dollars in relief when a terrible tsunami hit Asia. This giving was above and beyond what the United States Government gave in aid. Bringing relief to the suffering is in the very fabric of the American psyche. The Citizens of the US don't just give lip service to helping they reach out with their pocketbooks and with themselves in volunteerism. The very size of the dollars given dwarfs what any other developed nation could contribute.

* In a few short months after the devastating Asian tsunami a major earthquake hit Pakistan causing great devastation there. The American people stepped up and gave 78 million dollars to aid the suffering there.

* When America's own coastal areas got hit with hurricanes our people began sending in needed funds for rebuilding and relief. When hurricane's Katrina and Rita hit our shores, Americans responded and gave 3.12 billion dollars and relief efforts are still underway today.

The generosity of Americans shines through year after year in their willingness to give in big needs and in little needs. Americans donate an estimated one-quarter of a trillion dollars to charities such as the American Red Cross, The Salvation Army and The American Cancer Society. This is in addition to what they give through their places of worship.

It is interesting to note how some places in the world view Americans as selfish and spoiled when this is the exact opposite of the truth. This view of America serves the interest of certain groups or countries that would like that image to remain. An important part of the American dream is and always will be expressed in giving to others needs.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah, well, my dad's a better bowler than yours!!!

Not saying much since my dad's laid up in the hospital at the moment.

[7 Wishes]

That's because most Americans who are anonymously philanthropic are flag-burning empathic liberals.

[RedWingFan]

Both sides fuck the populace just as readily and eagerly as the other.

But Hillary promised me FREE HEALTHCARE. She wouldn't bend me over!

[7 Wishes]

Yeah, well, my dad's a better bowler than yours!!!

Not saying much since my dad's laid up in the hospital at the moment.

Very sorry to hear that. It wasn't directed at you...but I want you to know I was being entirely self-mocking when I made that post, too. I will pray for him.

[chf34jmac]

At least quote my whole post. So people don't think I'm for one specific side.

[Barb]

That's because most Americans who are anonymously philanthropic are flag-burning empathic liberals.

Actually, that is not accurate either. Studies show that blue states are the least generous when it comes to charitable giving. Liberals believe in government giving handouts to people, conservatives do not. Paying exhorbitant taxes against your will doesn't feel good. Personally helping someone in need is fulfilling.

[7 Wishes]

Both sides fuck the populace just as readily and eagerly as the other.

But Hillary promised me FREE HEALTHCARE. She wouldn't bend me over!

I have a feeling she has bent Bill over on more than one occasion...

Hillary is the third among all Senators in receiving campaign contributions from healthcare insurance companies. I don't buy anything she says about that issue.

[RedWingFan]

At least quote my whole post. So people don't think I'm for one specific side.

The sentence said "Both sides...." That pretty much sums it up.

[7 Wishes]

That's because most Americans who are anonymously philanthropic are flag-burning empathic liberals.

Actually, that is not accurate either. Studies show that blue states are the least generous when it comes to charitable giving. Liberals believe in government giving handouts to people, conservatives do not. Paying exhorbitant taxes against your will doesn't feel good. Personally helping someone in need is fulfilling.

That is complete bullshit, Barb. Blue States have higher levels of per capita income. Name one study that backs up your assertion, Barb...ONE. That isn't sponsored by a right-wing "think tank" or a right wing blogger. Please. Try again.

[ohsherrie]

And the scariest thing is that they can vote. Those morons running around in the woods playing soldier, posing in front of mirrors while they flex, and beating their wives can actually vote.

You are some piece of work. You never run out of cheap personal shots to those you feel are beneath you. Wow. Just because someone holds a different political ideology, they are the equivalent of shit in your eyes. I think that speaks volumes of what you are, Sherrie.

I believe what I believe and I know I am an intelligent person, but I would NEVER EVER berate or belittle anyone because they don't think like me. Condescending and arrogant don't even begin to describe you.

Barb, I'm not trying to take cheap shots, berate, or belittle anyone. I'm just stating what I believe to be the real, honest truth. If anyone feels personally offended by that it may be because I hit home with something that I said. I'm not going to apologize for being right even if it offends people.

[RedWingFan]

And the scariest thing is that they can vote. Those morons running around in the woods playing soldier, posing in front of mirrors while they flex, and beating their wives can actually vote.

You are some piece of work. You never run out of cheap personal shots to those you feel are beneath you. Wow. Just because someone holds a different political ideology, they are the equivalent of shit in your eyes. I think that speaks volumes of what you are, Sherrie.

I believe what I believe and I know I am an intelligent person, but I would NEVER EVER berate or belittle anyone because they don't think like me. Condescending and arrogant don't even begin to describe you.

Barb, I'm not trying to take cheap shots, berate, or belittle anyone. I'm just stating what I believe to be the real, honest truth. If anyone feels personally offended by that it may be because I hit home with something that I said. I'm not going to apologize for being right even if it offends people.

Yeah, I agree with FactFinder so you believe I beat my wife! And I'm personally offended by that because you hit home with something.

[7 Wishes]

But you guys have been putting anyone who leans even slightly to the left in the "liberal wacko" category since the first political post was made on this forum! Guys...you can't have it both ways. You dish it out, too. Stop trying to take the high road.

[conversationpc]

And the scariest thing is that they can vote. Those morons running around in the woods playing soldier, posing in front of mirrors while they flex, and beating their wives can actually vote.

You are some piece of work. You never run out of cheap personal shots to those you feel are beneath you. Wow. Just because someone holds a different political ideology, they are the equivalent of shit in your eyes. I think that speaks volumes of what you are, Sherrie.

I believe what I believe and I know I am an intelligent person, but I would NEVER EVER berate or belittle anyone because they don't think like me. Condescending and arrogant don't even begin to describe you.

Barb, I'm not trying to take cheap shots, berate, or belittle anyone. I'm just stating what I believe to be the real, honest truth. If anyone feels personally offended by that it may be because I hit home with something that I said. I'm not going to apologize for being right even if it offends people.

If those kinds of statements are not cheap shots, I'd like to see a REAL cheap shot.

[Barb]

And the scariest thing is that they can vote. Those morons running around in the woods playing soldier, posing in front of mirrors while they flex, and beating their wives can actually vote.

You are some piece of work. You never run out of cheap personal shots to those you feel are beneath you. Wow. Just because someone holds a different political ideology, they are the equivalent of shit in your eyes. I think that speaks volumes of what you are, Sherrie.

I believe what I believe and I know I am an intelligent person, but I would NEVER EVER berate or belittle anyone because they don't think like me. Condescending and arrogant don't even begin to describe you.

Barb, I'm not trying to take cheap shots, berate, or belittle anyone. I'm just stating what I believe to be the real, honest truth. If anyone feels personally offended by that it may be because I hit home with something that I said. I'm not going to apologize for being right even if it offends people.

So you honestly believe that people who do not think like you are morons and beat their wives? Is that kind of hatred healthy? It certainly isn't rational. But... if you're comfortable with who you are, so be it. I sure don't think much of you, though --- and it has nothing to do with what you believe politically.

[conversationpc]

But you guys have been putting anyone who leans even slightly to the left in the "liberal wacko" category since the first political post was made on this forum! Guys...you can't have it both ways. You dish it out, too. Stop trying to take the high road.

Saying "liberal" or "wacko" is quite a bit different than equating conservatives with wife beating.

[Barb]

But you guys have been putting anyone who leans even slightly to the left in the "liberal wacko" category since the first political post was made on this forum! Guys...you can't have it both ways. You dish it out, too. Stop trying to take the high road.

Liberal whacko and right wing nutjob are par for the course. I think calling people morons who beat their wives is a little over the top, but maybe that's just me.

[ohsherrie]

Yeah, I agree with FactFinder so you believe I beat my wife! And I'm personally offended by that because you hit home with something.

Typical republican exaggeration. No RWF, unless I come to know more about you than I know now I have no reason to believe you beat your wife.

[ohsherrie]

So you honestly believe that people who do not think like you are morons and beat their wives? Is that kind of hatred healthy? It certainly isn't rational. But... if you're comfortable with who you are, so be it. I sure don't think much of you, though --- and it has nothing to do with what you believe politically.

Nice try but no. I don't think all people who don't think like me are morons. I only think those who still support Bush are.

I really don't care what you think of me for whatever reason. I'm very comfortable with who I am. Can you honestly say the same, and do it Patiently?

[Barb]

So you honestly believe that people who do not think like you are morons and beat their wives? Is that kind of hatred healthy? It certainly isn't rational. But... if you're comfortable with who you are, so be it. I sure don't think much of you, though --- and it has nothing to do with what you believe politically.

Nice try but no. I don't think all people who don't think like me are morons. I only think those who still support Bush are.

I really don't care what you think of me for whatever reason. I'm very comfortable with who I am. Can you honestly say the same, and do it Patiently?

Yep. I don't treat people like crap, so ya, I'm good.

[Rick]

While I don't agree with your political veiws, your sig is hilarious. Spy's Like Us!

Thx. You're the first whose mentioned it.

I love that movie, btw.



PS We can agree to "disagree" you know...all of us...it's ok!

Yep, great movie.

((crunching sound of leaves))

Emmett: What was that?

Austin: It's a dickfor.

Emmett: What's a dickfor?

Austin: To pee with.

I agree with your post script. Well said.

[conversationpc]

So you honestly believe that people who do not think like you are morons and beat their wives? Is that kind of hatred healthy? It certainly isn't rational. But... if you're comfortable with who you are, so be it. I sure don't think much of you, though --- and it has nothing to do with what you believe politically.

Nice try but no. I don't think all people who don't think like me are morons. I only think those who still support Bush are.

I really don't care what you think of me for whatever reason. I'm very comfortable with who I am. Can you honestly say the same, and do it Patiently?

Yep. I don't treat people like crap, so ya, I'm good.

I can vouch for that.

[Eric]

Never let the FACTS get in the way of a good story eh?

That Bush knowingly lied is as irrefutable as the fact that Reaganomics did NOT work. HE LIED. REPEATEDLY AND KNOWINGLY!!!! FACT!!!!!

Supply Side economics doesn't work??????? HUH!?

[ohsherrie]

I never said FF or anyone on this board was a wife beater. I described a kind of fanatic, militaristic warmongerers who votes republican. I have no idea if he or anyone else on here fits that profile. I certainly hope not. Was that statement a bit overblown, hell yeah, but no more so than when I was told by a religious conservative republican on here that my kids could rot in the ground.

In fact I don't think I've specifically named anyone on here as fitting any of my descriptions of what I see as being faulty thinking. I'm also not trying to talk down to anyone. I really don't know why you think I am. I'm just doing the same thing everyone else is in this thread. I'm giving my opinions. I honestly believe there has to be something wrong with the thinking process of someone who can't see or won't believe the truth about what the Bush administration has done to this country. Like Daniel said the facts have been right here in front of all of our eyes for anybody willing to see them for almost 8 years. I in no way meant that as a personal insult to anybody, but I can't help it if I hit home with someone.

I'm not saying I think there's something wrong with everybody who is republican or even that there's something wrong with all of the republican ideas, I happen to agree with many of them. I disagree with their big four though, military, economy, abortion, and religion in government. My comments in this thread however have been referring to Bush and his administration, not the party in general.

Daniel, Dean and I have all been called various unflattering names and accused of absurdly exaggerated thought processes based on the conservatives' generalized ideas of what a liberal is. I think I was even accused of promoting genocide on here one time because I believe in a woman's right to choose.

[Tomulator]

The Iraqi dictator revealed this thinking to George Piro, the FBI agent assigned to interrogate him after his capture.

I've read a bit about Piro, not alot of it is out there yet. However Saddam confessed to him the killing of 185,000 kurds. This man spent 7 months with Saddam and it's goona make one hell of a movie someday.

It's interesting to me how afraid of Iran he was. He'd rather risk an invasion by the US and lie about his WMD then admit he didn't have them in front of Iran.

Of course he would. Going back to Reagan (who initially gave him weapons), and then George H. Bush (who the U.N. stopped from completeing the job), to Clinton (who played "let's bomb an apirin factory" with him) to shell games with weapons inspectors, and the weakness from the U.N. (again), he had absolutely no reason to fear us. Unfortunately for him, we have a president who decided it was time to stop pussy-footing with a maniac and took his bitch ass out.

Very VERY well said.