The Journey Board

[Since 78]

Got something to say - say it - don't post some wank link.

I gave you the same courtesy you gave me...minimal. I wrote what I felt to be true and you told me to "STFU." There was nothing inflammatory or offensive about my post and I'm not going to be told to "shut the fuck up" when it's not warranted. Hence, the link.

I'm going to have to side with SJ here Andrew. At the beginning of the thread you said that this should be a place where people can speak their mind. There are any number of threads every week that turn into bashing Perry, Schon, Cain, Etc. and pretty much those are let go unless it gets personal. However, as soon as the topic of JSS comes up. It seems like people start PMing you that someone is picking on Jeff and you put a stop to it. I don't really have a side in this argument but it just seems to me to be a little inequitable.

[mistiejourney]

I said any member that has their own forum should be discussed there.

And some of us are saying we would like to discuss Jeff here as well.
The people who have a section on here of their own haven't also been in Journey, so Jeff fits into both camps. Solo career and Journey member.
Why is that a problem?

At first it wasn't a problem. Soto was a part of Journey and received all due accolades. However, after he was relieved of his duties he became fucking Elvis...a guy talked about in the same breath as Perry, Gramm and Mercury. It's just become ridiculous. And when you point out that the guy is a non-draw and has virtually no domestic fanbase you get hammered as if somehow you're lying!!! Doesn't bother me a bit, though...not a fucking bit. I can recite factual statistics to back up my arguments. Others have to rely on "just know that we will be here to respond." Whoopty-fucking-doo. That doesn't put asses in seats or move records so I'll just keep hammering the facts while you guys recite tall tales and drink urine tasting Kool Aid while passing it off as lemon lime.

Hey, no problem that Jeff's domestic fan base is small and you won't hear me argue otherwise. All I care about is that I get a copy of his material and he continues to give concerts that allow me to be within three feet of him at all times.

I would love, for his sake, for him to be bigger in the USA. But as far as I'm concerned he IS a fantastic performer and I get "access" at concerts. Makes me selfish, maybe, but I'm quite happy with him, his work, and the small concerts he puts 1000% into every time.

And he was a part of Journey's history, just like Fleishman or Jackson or Baird or Tickner - the fact is he performed with Journey and that makes him part of the group. If I'm not mistaken, he toured for six months and was an "official" member for six months. Therefore, he is fair game for discussion on the Journey Board.

If Steve Perry had his own board here at MR, do you think all discussion of him would stop on this board? No way.

[Deb]

Got something to say - say it - don't post some wank link.

I gave you the same courtesy you gave me...minimal. I wrote what I felt to be true and you told me to "STFU." There was nothing inflammatory or offensive about my post and I'm not going to be told to "shut the fuck up" when it's not warranted. Hence, the link.

I'm going to have to side with SJ here Andrew. At the beginning of the thread you said that this should be a place where people can speak their mind. There are any number of threads every week that turn into bashing Perry, Schon, Cain, Etc. and pretty much those are let go unless it gets personal. However, as soon as the topic of JSS comes up. It seems like people start PMing you that someone is picking on Jeff and you put a stop to it. I don't really have a side in this argument but it just seems to me to be a little inequitable.

If people are pm'ing Andrew about that, then they need to put on their big boy/girl pants. JSS is a big boy, he can look out for himself. Don't fool yourself 78, SJ and Tito know exactly what they are doing, they are as transparent as saran wrap. They know darn well JSS posts here and has many fans here and is a good friend of Andrews...........yet even though EVERYBODY knows how they feel about JSS they continue to try to get under that fingernail.

[mistiejourney]

Got something to say - say it - don't post some wank link.

I gave you the same courtesy you gave me...minimal. I wrote what I felt to be true and you told me to "STFU." There was nothing inflammatory or offensive about my post and I'm not going to be told to "shut the fuck up" when it's not warranted. Hence, the link.

I'm going to have to side with SJ here Andrew. At the beginning of the thread you said that this should be a place where people can speak their mind. There are any number of threads every week that turn into bashing Perry, Schon, Cain, Etc. and pretty much those are let go unless it gets personal. However, as soon as the topic of JSS comes up. It seems like people start PMing you that someone is picking on Jeff and you put a stop to it. I don't really have a side in this argument but it just seems to me to be a little inequitable.

If people are pm'ing Andrew about that, then they need to put on their big boy/girl pants. JSS is a big boy, he can look out for himself. Don't fool yourself 78, SJ and Tito know exactly what they are doing, they are as transparent as saran wrap. They know darn well JSS posts here and has many fans here and is a good friend of Andrews...........yet even though EVERYBODY knows how they feel about JSS they continue to try to get under that fingernail.

Yeah, who is PMing Andrew about Jeff? Time to take off the Pull-Ups and put on the Spiderman cotton undies, folks!

SJ doesn't get under my fingernails, probably cos I bite 'em (my fingernails, not SJ) and they are too short!

[AlteredDNA]

Got something to say - say it - don't post some wank link.

I gave you the same courtesy you gave me...minimal. I wrote what I felt to be true and you told me to "STFU." There was nothing inflammatory or offensive about my post and I'm not going to be told to "shut the fuck up" when it's not warranted. Hence, the link.

I'm going to have to side with SJ here Andrew. At the beginning of the thread you said that this should be a place where people can speak their mind. There are any number of threads every week that turn into bashing Perry, Schon, Cain, Etc. and pretty much those are let go unless it gets personal. However, as soon as the topic of JSS comes up. It seems like people start PMing you that someone is picking on Jeff and you put a stop to it. I don't really have a side in this argument but it just seems to me to be a little inequitable.

If people are pm'ing Andrew about that, then they need to put on their big boy/girl pants. JSS is a big boy, he can look out for himself. Don't fool yourself 78, SJ and Tito know exactly what they are doing, they are as transparent as saran wrap. They know darn well JSS posts here and has many fans here and is a good friend of Andrews...........yet even though EVERYBODY knows how they feel about JSS they continue to try to get under that fingernail.

Apparently it's working...

[Andrew]

Got something to say - say it - don't post some wank link.

I gave you the same courtesy you gave me...minimal. I wrote what I felt to be true and you told me to "STFU." There was nothing inflammatory or offensive about my post and I'm not going to be told to "shut the fuck up" when it's not warranted. Hence, the link.

I'm going to have to side with SJ here Andrew. At the beginning of the thread you said that this should be a place where people can speak their mind. There are any number of threads every week that turn into bashing Perry, Schon, Cain, Etc. and pretty much those are let go unless it gets personal. However, as soon as the topic of JSS comes up. It seems like people start PMing you that someone is picking on Jeff and you put a stop to it. I don't really have a side in this argument but it just seems to me to be a little inequitable.

Let's make this VERY clear. NO ONE has PMd me about the shoddy treatment JSS gets from SJ and Tito. And I absolutely stand by my word that everyone is free to have an opinion here and state that opinion.

HOWEVER, the delivery of those opinions must be respectful and I have already had several conversations with both Tito and SJ about their bias against JSS and their constant need to remind us all how they feel. We know....it's old....move on.

I really have nothing further to say - they will either get it or not.

[Rip Rokken]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nBuROdJVk

[Deb]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nBuROdJVk

Um, could I request some Kip Winger instead? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUtDXzKY ... re=related

[mistiejourney]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nBuROdJVk

Um, could I request some Kip Winger instead?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JI10SMxBjMg

I thought he was the second coming of Barry Gibb in this video!

[Deb]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nBuROdJVk

Um, could I request some Kip Winger instead?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JI10SMxBjMg

I thought he was the second coming of Barry Gibb in this video!

Ok girl, now that is just darn right freaky. Look at my above post again.

[mistiejourney]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nBuROdJVk

Um, could I request some Kip Winger instead?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JI10SMxBjMg

I thought he was the second coming of Barry Gibb in this video!

Ok girl, now that is just darn right freaky. Look at my above post again.

I did - LOL! I didn't see the link the first time! But that is the best song (and the singer ain't bad, either!)

[Andrew]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

Please...make it stop. Please....

[mistiejourney]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

Please...make it stop. Please....

Please note that we have diverted all attention to Kip Winger. That should neutralize Dokkenitis!

[annie89509]

Haha, perusing 9 pages of this thread, I see things have not changed around here. 2 pages of seriousness, 3 pages of off-topic silliness, 3 pages of arguing, and 1 page of diversion.

Like Ganny, since I started posting at MR, never had a urge to go play anywhere else. Thanks, Andrew, for providing this playground for us all to jump in.

[Andrew]

Haha, perusing 9 pages of this thread, I see things have not changed around here. 2 pages of seriousness, 3 pages of off-topic silliness, 3 pages of arguing, and 1 page of diversion.

Like Ganny, since I started posting at MR, never had a urge to go play anywhere else. Thanks, Andrew, for providing this playground for us all to jump in.

Good summary! It's all fun, eh?

[annie89509]

Haha, perusing 9 pages of this thread, I see things have not changed around here. 2 pages of seriousness, 3 pages of off-topic silliness, 3 pages of arguing, and 1 page of diversion.

Like Ganny, since I started posting at MR, never had a urge to go play anywhere else. Thanks, Andrew, for providing this playground for us all to jump in.

Good summary! It's all fun, eh?

Absolutely!

[wednesday's child]

Why not start an Andrew appreciation thread?
Oh, wait....



I joke, I joke, I keed I keed

[Rip Rokken]

Why not start an Andrew appreciation thread?
Oh, wait....



I joke, I joke, I keed I keed

I think that's what this actually is, and after it reaches 10 pages, The Wombat will sneakily change the thread title to "Andrew McNiece Appreciation Thread"... LOL! Clever!

[Rip Rokken]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

Please...make it stop. Please....

Please note that we have diverted all attention to Kip Winger. That should neutralize Dokkenitis!

Not so fast!!! I got yours and Deb's subliminal affirmation of my post... haha! Notice that you each post twice after I mention Dokken, keeping my Don smiley in the reply as a signal that the post is directed to me. Each of you has an avatar with Jeff Scott Soto (who sings on the new album LSA) wearing a sports jersey, one with the number 10, and one with the number 4 -- the subliminal message if you scroll thru reads, "10-4, Rip! 10-4, Rip!"

[wednesday's child]

Imagine that... tsk tsk
Be a good soul and link me up with a REALLY good Dokken vid, wouldja?

[Andrew]

I think that's what this actually is, and after it reaches 10 pages, The Wombat will sneakily change the thread title to "Andrew McNiece Appreciation Thread"... LOL!

Now there's an idea!

[ScarabGator]

We just need to diffuse all the angst with more Dokken threads... Dokken brings peace and happiness to MR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nBuROdJVk

what we could also use is more ScarabGator flirt threads....or cowbell......

[Greg]

Got something to say - say it - don't post some wank link.

I gave you the same courtesy you gave me...minimal. I wrote what I felt to be true and you told me to "STFU." There was nothing inflammatory or offensive about my post and I'm not going to be told to "shut the fuck up" when it's not warranted. Hence, the link.

I'm going to have to side with SJ here Andrew. At the beginning of the thread you said that this should be a place where people can speak their mind. There are any number of threads every week that turn into bashing Perry, Schon, Cain, Etc. and pretty much those are let go unless it gets personal. However, as soon as the topic of JSS comes up. It seems like people start PMing you that someone is picking on Jeff and you put a stop to it. I don't really have a side in this argument but it just seems to me to be a little inequitable.

Jeff is a member of the board and quite a lot of the attacks on him are unwarranted.

As for attacks on other Journey members, you just don't know the message board history of these Journey boards. I've been on Journey message boards and mailing lists since the mid-90's, and have heard just about all there is to hear about Journey.

[Andrew]

Jeff is a member of the board and quite a lot of the attacks on him are unwarranted.

I agree absolutely. BTW Greg, might want to shrink that avatar please!

[Behshad]

HOWEVER, the delivery of those opinions must be respectful and I have already had several conversations with both Tito and SJ about their bias against JSS and their constant need to remind us all how they feel. We know....it's old....move on.

I really have nothing further to say - they will either get it or not.

I'd like to put a $50 on "or not ":D

[Rip Rokken]

Imagine that... tsk tsk
Be a good soul and link me up with a REALLY good Dokken vid, wouldja?

The live version of Alone Again from the "Live From The Sun" album featuring Winger's Reb Beach on guitar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVhX6y78woU

Don goes all Whitney Houston at 5:49.... awesome!

[Tito]

Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. [comment: I think the response to my innoncent suggestion proves it's a touchy subject. The point 1 above referred to my first suggestion of non-Journey posts should not go in the forum. It was related to this point.] I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there.

[b]How about you STFU and let me run this forum, ok?

This comment was really unwarranted.

[Andrew]

Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. [comment: I think the response to my innoncent suggestion proves it's a touchy subject. The point 1 above referred to my first suggestion of non-Journey posts should not go in the forum. It was related to this point.] I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there.

[b]How about you STFU and let me run this forum, ok?

This comment was really unwarranted.

You only making a point of this now? Why not 12 hours ago when you last posted in the thread?

[Tito]

Jeff is a member of the board and quite a lot of the attacks on him are unwarranted.

I agree absolutely. BTW Greg, might want to shrink that avatar please!

Where did I attack him? Especially in this thread. Go back to page 3, where I originally posted. I did not start the debate about Soto.

[Tito]

Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. [comment: I think the response to my innoncent suggestion proves it's a touchy subject. The point 1 above referred to my first suggestion of non-Journey posts should not go in the forum. It was related to this point.] I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there.

[b]How about you STFU and let me run this forum, ok?

This comment was really unwarranted.

You only making a point of this now? Why not 12 hours ago when you last posted in the thread?

I just got back on the computer. I've been sleeping,etc. Plus, I was hoping by the time I got to work this morning, you would've reread what I originally typed and my first response to your comment and I would've seen an apology from you in PM or publicly. Sadly, I did not receive one.