Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

[Memorex]

The Heart issue is more of a bummer because it's family. But I suspect they will put it behind them as well. Not so sure about Journey.

[The_Noble_Cause]

My opinion has always been that Self Defense was recorded by Journey and not used and that the version you hear on the Schon & Hammer album is that version. I would even doubt that it's hammer on keys unless there was some legal reason to replace Jon's. The first and foremost reason that this is my opinion is that there is no way Steve Perry showed up to write a song and lend background vocals to a Neal Schon solo album. Then all the other guys - highly doubtful. So to me - that's a straight up Journey song front to back.

Your opinion makes alot of sense. Wonder if anyone can confirm it.

[JourneyHard]

The more I think about it I think their wives might be the ones fighting. Jon's wife is very religious while Neal's wife is a "white house crasher." It is reasonable to think they don't like each other. If Jon and Neal were really fighting, I don't think they would continue to tour together. Just sayin'

[tater1977]

Classic rockers Heart, Journey battling internal strife

Internal strife splitting Heart, Journey

By Gary Graff ggraff@digitalfirstmedia.com

http://www.thenewsherald.com/downriver_ ... 61225.html

Heart and Journey are in the same place these days — and not just the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Both groups weigh in at 44 years, celebrated careers as enduring rock favorites on radio and on the road. But there are fears that each are going, as the Journey hit says, their “Separate Ways,” with plenty of drama at the core.

...

A Rough Journey

Heart’s situation is far more cut and dried than what’s going on with Journey, however.

The afterglow of the group’s Rock Hall induction — which included a reunion at the podium with former frontman Steve Perry — has been plowed under by an intense social media assault by guitarist and co-founder Neal Schon against keyboardist Jonathan Cain — even as they appear on stage together during Journey’s current tour.

In addition to changing his Twitter handle to Neal Schon’s JRNY, the guitarist attacked Cain’s musical direction as well as religious and political beliefs, even implying that Cain “is trying in press to (remove) my name from songs I wrote” for the band, including the hit anthem “Don’t Stop Believin’.”

Schon declares that “bottom line I’ll always be JRNY as it’s been my baby from birth. ... I’m not the problem.” Cain’s sole response has been to write, “A heart of gratitude leaves no room for complaining. For it is impossible to truly be thankful and filled with negativity and ungratefulness at the same time.”

Neither Journey man has spoken about what’s behind the discord, or how they’re managing to continue to tour together. Previously, both have been open about creative differences between them — particularly over Journey’s last album, 2011’s hard-rocking, Schon-dominated “Eclipse.” Cain, 67, says that, “I think we have another album in us, I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page where we’re going, all going together.

“I think the last record we made was kind of a departure from what I think people want form Journey, so directionwise we’ve got to get on the same page before we move forward.”

But Schon, 63 — who also releases solo albums and is part of the Santana reunion project — doesn’t sound like he’s ready to compromise his creative ambitions. “I’m always champing at the bit to do new music,” the guitarist says. “If it’s not happening with Journey I’m in the studio doing something else for myself.”

But he doesn’t close the door on the band entirely.

“I feel that (Journey) should at least do from here out one song to two songs a year, new songs,” Schon says, “even if we just release them as singles and get in a movie or something with it, just to keep things moving forward.”

Classic Rock Double Shot

• Journey performs at 8 p.m. Thursday, June 22, at the Colosseum at Caesars Windsor, 377 Riverside Drive East. Tickets are $128-$408. Call 800-991-7777 or visit caesarswindsor.com.

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NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic ·
http://www.thenewsherald.com/downriver_ ... ertainment… This has Never been about musical direction. Way way deeper than that. JC actually wrote more than I did on Eclipse


NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic
again it's not about creative differences. It's beyond religion- politics. We will see if there's Any reconciliation if not-


NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic ·
I'll bring it to light at time when needed.

[perryfan61]

NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic ·
I'll bring it to light at time when needed.

This should be interesting

[FamilyMan]

NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic ·
I'll bring it to light at time when needed.

This should be interesting

And we thought Cain was the Trump guy.

[JourneyHard]

What can this drama be about? If it is deeper than music and deeper than politics and religion?

Did Neal talk Perry into coming back, but Jon vetoed it? I don't see any other reason to have a big fight that would make any sense. Anything less than that is NOT deeper than music, politics and religion.

[slucero]

They should just lace em up and go a couple rounds...

should sell a load of tickets for that..

[JourneyHard]

Why do people fight? Money and Sex.

They are both rich beyond their dreams. And they are both married. They have no reason to fight. Whatever is going on here should be swept under the rug. It sounds like their wives don't like each other. Nothing else makes sense.

[Memorex]

Why do people fight? Money and Sex.

They are both rich beyond their dreams. And they are both married. They have no reason to fight. Whatever is going on here should be swept under the rug. It sounds like their wives don't like each other. Nothing else makes sense.

Creative decisions, annoying personalities, something someone said to somebody else... Lots of reasons to fight. Lots of good reasons? Probably not.

[FamilyMan]

Why do people fight? Money and Sex.

They are both rich beyond their dreams. And they are both married. They have no reason to fight. Whatever is going on here should be swept under the rug. It sounds like their wives don't like each other. Nothing else makes sense.

That's part of it, certainly. And we all remember Jeremey on this board talking about the issues Neal had with HIS wife when they were negotiating. But I also think Neal has begun to resent others making big decisions for his band. And in the last ten years, Jon has been making many of them. The renaissance the band had with Arnel camouflaged a lot of core creative problems. They've just finally come home to roost.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why do people fight? Money and Sex.

They are both rich beyond their dreams. And they are both married. They have no reason to fight. Whatever is going on here should be swept under the rug. It sounds like their wives don't like each other. Nothing else makes sense.

That's part of it, certainly. And we all remember Jeremey on this board talking about the issues Neal had with HIS wife when they were negotiating. But I also think Neal has begun to resent others making big decisions for his band. And in the last ten years, Jon has been making many of them. The renaissance the band had with Arnel camouflaged a lot of core creative problems. They've just finally come home to roost.

Family Man - did you ever support your claim that Smitty is just in it for the money?

[FamilyMan]

Why do people fight? Money and Sex.

They are both rich beyond their dreams. And they are both married. They have no reason to fight. Whatever is going on here should be swept under the rug. It sounds like their wives don't like each other. Nothing else makes sense.

That's part of it, certainly. And we all remember Jeremey on this board talking about the issues Neal had with HIS wife when they were negotiating. But I also think Neal has begun to resent others making big decisions for his band. And in the last ten years, Jon has been making many of them. The renaissance the band had with Arnel camouflaged a lot of core creative problems. They've just finally come home to roost.

Family Man - did you ever support your claim that Smitty is just in it for the money?

I would, TNC, if i really gave enough of a shit to prove a point to you. But life's too short.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I would, TNC, if i really gave enough of a shit to prove a point to you. But life's too short.

Oh, it's not about me. It's about you besmirching an upstanding player and good guy Steve Smith. So you pretty much admit that you lied? Good to know.

[JourneyHard]

Creative differences is certainly not a good reason to fight. If Journey makes a new album, and it has 12 songs on it, that leaves a lot of room for whatever songs Jon wants AND whatever songs Neal wants to be on the album.

[jrnyman28]

Easy for anyone to see that in the song, given the lyrics. If it was a country song, this wouldn't even be a question that's what it was implying, even if the song wasn't specifically about that.

If it had Christian overtones, themes, or whatever, Neal would have nixed it off the cd. That's why he's freaking out now.

TNC, I disagree. I think that might have been the beginning.....might have been creeping in. But now it might be in overdrive.

[jrnyman28]

My opinion has always been that Self Defense was recorded by Journey and not used and that the version you hear on the Schon & Hammer album is that version. I would even doubt that it's hammer on keys unless there was some legal reason to replace Jon's. The first and foremost reason that this is my opinion is that there is no way Steve Perry showed up to write a song and lend background vocals to a Neal Schon solo album. Then all the other guys - highly doubtful. So to me - that's a straight up Journey song front to back.

I think it was reported that Indeed Self Defense was a Journey song. I think it it very possible Jan added or replaced Keys on the Journey recording. I know it was long speculated that there is no way Perry guested on a Neal side project.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Easy for anyone to see that in the song, given the lyrics. If it was a country song, this wouldn't even be a question that's what it was implying, even if the song wasn't specifically about that.

If it had Christian overtones, themes, or whatever, Neal would have nixed it off the cd. That's why he's freaking out now.

TNC, I disagree. I think that might have been the beginning.....might have been creeping in. But now it might be in overdrive.

Maybe. But subsequent albums like Revelation and Eclipse don't show any sign of this. Eclipse was based on a new age book JC was reading called The Power of intention.

[bellairepark73]

Here's something of note: https://youtu.be/7QHQWH8v5fk
A very good piece. Even if her facts were a little off(I.e Steve founding the group...even though I can understand that but then you can legitimately apply that Jon. Neither were founding members but were legacy members, therefore founders in an indirect yet completely impactful way), she makes VERY good points.

[marco17]

Regardless to what the underlying issues are.... The band has basically been touring non-stop since '98. There are always issues with band members no matter how close or distant they are or have been and the longer things are going on without some time away, the bigger they become. I know Neal doesn't want to hang Journey up since it's such a cash cow, but it might be time to give it a rest for a bit, which he appears to be doing at the end of the tour... at least for a short while to do some other projects.

[tater1977]

- Comments from Ross, Smitty and Arnel, but no comment from Neal.

Jonathan Cain Music

https://www.facebook.com/jonathancainmusic/

The update for Las Vegas! New music video... coming soon

[Journey/Survivor]

- Comments from Ross, Smitty and Arnel, but no comment from Neal.

Jonathan Cain Music

https://www.facebook.com/jonathancainmusic/

The update for Las Vegas! New music video... coming soon

I'm not on Facebook. Can someone give me the highlights of what was said?

[tater1977]

- Comments from Ross, Smitty and Arnel, but no comment from Neal.

Jonathan Cain Music

https://www.facebook.com/jonathancainmusic/

The update for Las Vegas! New music video... coming soon

I'm not on Facebook. Can someone give me the highlights of what was said?

The comments were all in ref/ to Jon's new music. Seems Ross, Smitty and Arnel all liked it so far.

[bellairepark73]

- Comments from Ross, Smitty and Arnel, but no comment from Neal.

Jonathan Cain Music

https://www.facebook.com/jonathancainmusic/

The update for Las Vegas! New music video... coming soon

I'm not on Facebook. Can someone give me the highlights of what was said?

The comments were all in ref/ to Jon's new music. Seems Ross, Smitty and Arnel all liked it so far.

I don't see it. Where are their comments posted? To which video posting? If you could post their Facebook comments for those that are not on FB or follow that would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[tater1977]

Comments from Ross, Smitty and Arnel, but no comment from Neal.

Jonathan Cain Music

https://www.facebook.com/jonathancainmusic/

I don't see it. Where are their comments posted? To which video posting? If you could post their Facebook comments for those that are not on FB or follow that would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

They are verbal comments, if you watch the video.
' The update for Las Vegas! New music video... coming soon '

[bellairepark73]

Comments from Ross, Smitty and Arnel, but no comment from Neal.

Jonathan Cain Music

https://www.facebook.com/jonathancainmusic/

I don't see it. Where are their comments posted? To which video posting? If you could post their Facebook comments for those that are not on FB or follow that would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

They are verbal comments, if you watch the video.
' The update for Las Vegas! New music video... coming soon '

Thanks tater. I appreciate it. Is it the first video posted...or the one where it says, "The update for Las Vegas! New music video...coming soon"?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thanks tater. I appreciate it. Is it the first video posted...or the one where it says, "The update for Las Vegas! New music video...coming soon"?

He's pretty much using Journey publicity (which is hard to come by) to promote his religious projects. During the SA era, the band could barely get arrested. Valuable publicity should be used to promote Journey. If Cain wants to promote his bible-thumping stuff, he can go on 700 Club.

[JourneyHard]

Journey needs to make a new album that sounds exactly like it was recorded in 1979. They have tried to experiment with new styles of the Journey Sound, but that is NOT what the fans want. The fans want Journey to sound exactly how they did back in the late 1970's. Whatever they have to do to make this happen should be done. If that means bringing back Gregg Rolie for the album, then do it. They had Departure and then more recently Arrival. Thus, they had Evolution, so the new album could be called Creation. To get them started in that late 1970's vibe, they should expand Majestic into a full song with lyrics. And then take it from there with similar style songs from that era. They say it has already been done, but this is what the fans want. If you are really all about the fans now, then you will get this done.

[brywool]

He's pretty much using Journey publicity (which is hard to come by) to promote his religious projects. During the SA era, the band could barely get arrested. Valuable publicity should be used to promote Journey. If Cain wants to promote his bible-thumping stuff, he can go on 700 Club.

TNC, I'm pretty much with you... however, I am taking the approach of "It's Jon. He's talking about God. I'm not interested in Jon's views on God. I'm not that into this phase of his career, so I will change the channel.". The guy's earned his right to do what he wants and to use the fame he has acquired to promote his album and Jesus' new album. If you just take it as 'new music' that's also something we can do. But... I'd much rather not be preached at while I'm trying to get into something.

Take George Harrison - he didn't ram it down people's throats. He would tell anyone that asked about his faith. He definitely put it into his music (and for the most part let that do the talking). He didn't constantly go on about it. I don't have a problem with Jon's faith (I DO have a problem with his politics, but that's another story). When people get 'Born Again' they have a tendency to go extremely overboard. I realize Jon's excited about this. But I will choose to 'turn the Jon Channel' when it gets to be overwhelming. Doesn't mean I don't like God. Doesn't mean I don't like Jon. It means (to me) that "Jon, this is your personal journey (bazang!). Glad you're happy. I'm just not that interested as I've heard it from people all my life and I'm good and have made up my mind. Love ya man. Hope you're still in Journey".

Now- having said that. Let's all turn to Psalm #1980: My favorite religious song from Cain (Waite, Stocker):
https://youtu.be/bYStB_2pVNs
"Keep it to yerself man, Get back".

[Eric]

Thanks tater. I appreciate it. Is it the first video posted...or the one where it says, "The update for Las Vegas! New music video...coming soon"?

He's pretty much using Journey publicity (which is hard to come by) to promote his religious projects.

That's exactly what he's doing. And it's not cool by me.