Neal VS Jon

[Gideon]

Actually, it gets worse...
Neal's wife is liking social media comments calling for Arnel to be replaced.
Management needs to get involved here.

Fucking deranged.

Do you know how unhinged you have to be to make Jon Cain’s wife, a Trump-loving grifter who randomly speaks in tongues, seem like the reasonable one?

[Andrew]

Jon Cain’s wife, a Trump-loving grifter who randomly speaks in tongues, seem like the reasonable one?

She's still the nuttiest.

[Archetype]

Jon Cain’s wife, a Trump-loving grifter who randomly speaks in tongues, seem like the reasonable one?

She's still the nuttiest.

I don’t care if she’s nutty or not. She’s not actively harming Journey. Neal’s wife is, though.

[Andrew]

Jon Cain’s wife, a Trump-loving grifter who randomly speaks in tongues, seem like the reasonable one?

She's still the nuttiest.

I don’t care if she’s nutty or not. She’s not actively harming Journey. Neal’s wife is, though.

Who says she hasn't harmed Journey?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Who says she hasn't harmed Journey?

She may very well be. However, it's largely kept behind the scenes. Aside from her filming Journey shows sometimes on Instagram, she rarely every involves herself publicly in Journey affairs. Keyword here being publicly.

Michaele, on the other hand, is all over the internet attacking members past and present (including Perry). She is also speaking on behalf of Journey quite often. Neal also boasts how she is basically the road manager and trademark legal clerk. This is some true Yoko Ono shit!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Arnel responds....

"you people are unbelievable…whoever’s spreading rumor about me regarding the #GregRollie issue?are maliciously ignorant..im not gonna stoop down to your level.."

Stay classy Arnel.

[danielb]

Enough already. Could it be that Neal and his wife have fallen off the wagon together? I choose to believe Arnel over Neal's wife, that's for sure.

"Faith . Let's ask God to find a way for them. Let's pray for forgiveness for those who hurt Gregg ROLIE and hope they learn what spirituality is someday."

[Gideon]

Arnel responds....

"you people are unbelievable…whoever’s spreading rumor about me regarding the #GregRollie issue?are maliciously ignorant..im not gonna stoop down to your level.."

Stay classy Arnel.

Oof. That'd be Neal, his wife, and their PR team right? To publicly (if indirectly) call them out like this, it looks like AP has more grit than you'd expect from such a nice and humble man.

[Archetype]

Who says she hasn't harmed Journey?

There’s tons of stuff that shows Neal’s wife is interfering with Journey affairs, creating issues with band members as Arnel even recently pointed out, and imposing her presence on the fans (Resonate, constant pictures of her in Journey’s social media feed, yada yada). I’ve seen absolutely none of this from Jonathan’s wife, and nothing that suggests it’s going on behind the scenes.

[Gideon]

Who says she hasn't harmed Journey?

There’s tons of stuff that shows Neal’s wife is interfering with Journey affairs, creating issues with band members as Arnel even recently pointed out, and imposing her presence on the fans (Resonate, constant pictures of her in Journey’s social media feed, yada yada). I’ve seen absolutely none of this from Jonathan’s wife, and nothing that suggests it’s going on behind the scenes.

Yeah, look. I've been a Neal and Jon simp since I first joined these boards, enthusiastically defending them against Loons, Spoons, and every other iteration. I think ECL1P53 is their second best album. So I feel like my Journey bona fides are pretty well credentialed compared to other critics who look for any excuse to shit on the band or certain members.

(I'll also throw out there that I think Trump is the worst president in modern history at the very least, Paula's a grifter, and Jon pisses me off with his sourpuss stage presence and robbing Journey 10 years of post-ECL1P53 material to write shitty Christian music no one will ever care about.)

BUT HAVING SAID THAT... while I'm open to the idea that Paula and Jon are snakes in the grass behind the scenes, I can't ignore the serpent that's reared its head and is hissing me in the face. Michaele is clearly a terrible influence on Neal; she's an attention whore of the highest order, she inflames his own obvious narcissism, and she's inserted herself as the 6th, 7th, 8th member of Journey since their entire social media presence is about Neal, her, and their fucking rose petals.

It's cringe.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, look. I've been a Neal and Jon simp since I first joined these boards, enthusiastically defending them against Loons, Spoons, and every other iteration. I think ECL1P53 is their second best album. So I feel like my Journey bona fides are pretty well credentialed compared to other critics who look for any excuse to shit on the band or certain members.

(I'll also throw out there that I think Trump is the worst president in modern history at the very least, Paula's a grifter, and Jon pisses me off with his sourpuss stage presence and robbing Journey 10 years of post-ECL1P53 material to write shitty Christian music no one will ever care about.)

BUT HAVING SAID THAT... while I'm open to the idea that Paula and Jon are snakes in the grass behind the scenes, I can't ignore the serpent that's reared its head and is hissing me in the face. Michaele is clearly a terrible influence on Neal; she's an attention whore of the highest order, she inflames his own obvious narcissism, and she's inserted herself as the 6th, 7th, 8th member of Journey since their entire social media presence is about Neal, her, and their fucking rose petals.

It's cringe.

[Andrew]

Who says she hasn't harmed Journey?

There’s tons of stuff that shows Neal’s wife is interfering with Journey affairs, creating issues with band members as Arnel even recently pointed out, and imposing her presence on the fans (Resonate, constant pictures of her in Journey’s social media feed, yada yada). I’ve seen absolutely none of this from Jonathan’s wife, and nothing that suggests it’s going on behind the scenes.

I get that...and neither is good...my point is that Jonathan seems to have changed a lot now Jesus is his mate, in that way her influence has harmed Journey.

Bottom line - things are messy and it ain't a good look for anyone.

But different crazy stuff has been going on forever behind the scenes, Azoff Mgmt just had a stronghold over the band's public persona, so you folks didn't see most of what went on.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I get that...and neither is good...my point is that Jonathan seems to have changed a lot now Jesus is his mate, in that way her influence has harmed Journey.

I see this side of things. It's always disturbing when rockers (Elefante, Chalfant) become holy rollers.

However, it is worth noting in one of Herbie Herbert's last interviews he said Jon's evangelicalism actually made him "a better Jon Cain."
One of Deen's first gigs post - prison was working for Jon and his church. Is Cain really the bad guy here?

On the topic of Neal, the Herbie article/interview continued "But now Herbert says Schon has taken over the Steve Perry role in the band, referencing the former lead singer's divisive tenure."

But different crazy stuff has been going on forever behind the scenes, Azoff Mgmt just had a stronghold over the band's public persona, so you folks didn't see most of what went on.

The mask is definitely off and it ain't a pretty sight. How did Augeri, JSS, or any of these seemingly normal level-headed guys deal with this insanity?

[danielb]

Throughout this whole ordeal, Cain has come across as the most level headed and sensible in his statements, not Schon and Yoko.

[Archetype]

Who says she hasn't harmed Journey?

There’s tons of stuff that shows Neal’s wife is interfering with Journey affairs, creating issues with band members as Arnel even recently pointed out, and imposing her presence on the fans (Resonate, constant pictures of her in Journey’s social media feed, yada yada). I’ve seen absolutely none of this from Jonathan’s wife, and nothing that suggests it’s going on behind the scenes.

I get that...and neither is good...my point is that Jonathan seems to have changed a lot now Jesus is his mate, in that way her influence has harmed Journey.

Bottom line - things are messy and it ain't a good look for anyone.

But different crazy stuff has been going on forever behind the scenes, Azoff Mgmt just had a stronghold over the band's public persona, so you folks didn't see most of what went on.

I tend to not care what other people believe in or don’t believe in. Hell, the casual Journey fan probably has no idea what Jon believes or who he’s married to, because he doesn’t shove it in the fan’s faces the way Neal’s attention whore wife imposes herself on Journey fans and Journey business.

[Andrew]

The mask is definitely off and it ain't a pretty sight. How did Augeri, JSS, or any of these seemingly normal level-headed guys deal with this insanity?

I was discussing Journey with JSS earlier today

[The_Noble_Cause]

In today's installment of Journey insanity....

Some crappy radio website ( Q104.3 ) posted an article saying that Cain approved of Rolie joining the tour. They included no actual quotes from Cain about Rolie. It was an obvious clickbait job extrapolating on a Cain FB post simply saying he (Cain) would be there on the upcoming tour.

Neal and his wife shared the article. His wife rapturously exclaimed multiple times:


"CONGRATULATIONS NEAL SCHON GREGG ROLIE AND JOURNEY!! THANK YOU JOURNEY FANS FOR YOUR VOICE IN UNITY WITH US FOR HAVING GREGG ROLIE JOIN THE JOURNEY 50TH ANNIVERSARY FREEDOM TOUR 2023! #WELCOMING GREGG ROLIE FOR THE TOUR"

and

"Your voice was heard about Gregg Rolie!! ......This is A MONUMENTAL HISTORICAL TOUR FOR JOURNEY"

Now, unsurprisingly, the misleading clickbait article has been scrubbed from the website. Neal is tweeting asking where the article went and asking for Jon to clarify.

These two are a real comedy act.

[Andrew]

Azoff would never have stood for this.

I'd offer to talk to all parties, but I'm still on Cain's shit list. Still...I'd do it.

[danielb]

A shame that Schon and wife are doing this to "Journey".

[Archetype]

The fact that Neal thought someone in the Metallica camp made a deliberate decision to recruit someone to keep an eye on him (what he accused me of and then blocked me on Facebook) says a lot about his mental state…

His attention whore wife is only making his issues so much worse.

[Monker]

This has been allowed to go so far that I really don't even care any longer. The truth is that Journey really does not exist. It's just the Neal and Michaela show. I can't see why anybody would want to work with them. They either get pulled into the madness, like Gregg Rolie, or sued. This isn't even a band any longer. It's just second rate leftovers of who can tolerate Neal for touring money.

I am surprised Gregg hasn't said anything. Of all the Journey members, he seems to care most about the fans...and is the most genuine towards them. He seems to be the type who would want to stay as far away from this disaster as possible. His name is now being used for nothing but publicity and political infighting. If I were him, I'd be pretty upset by it.

Jonathan needs to negotiate his way out after this tour and let Neal crash on his own. He seems to not want to be there, and Neal doesn't want him there...so end it and be happy with life again. IMO, even Arnel should quit, after what has been said about him. He just doesn't NEED to put up with it.

How can Journey continue after this? Why would any 'fans' go see them....just to see Neal play? The whole band seems so phoney now. It's all just a bunch of drama. What kind of fan gets excited about a band that produces more drama than music? It's stupid.

[Journey/Survivor]

This has been allowed to go so far that I really don't even care any longer.

I'm 95% there myself now.

[Journey/Survivor]

I am surprised Gregg hasn't said anything. Of all the Journey members, he seems to care most about the fans...and is the most genuine towards them. He seems to be the type who would want to stay as far away from this disaster as possible. His name is now being used for nothing but publicity and political infighting. If I were him, I'd be pretty upset by it.

I CAN understand why Gregg WOULD want to tour with Journey. But I agree with the rest of what you said there. Especially the publicity part.

[Journey/Survivor]

How can Journey continue after this? Why would any 'fans' go see them....just to see Neal play? The whole band seems so phoney now. It's all just a bunch of drama.

If Neal still had quality musicians around him and a good singer I would still see Journey just to watch Neal play the guitar.

At this point I'd rather see Journey with Neal, Deen Todd (Preferably with Arnel) and another keyboardist (Preferably Gregg) than have to keep reading all of this stupid bull shit, publicity stunts or not while Cain is in the band.

I'd love it if Cain left the band at this point, even though I'm a huge fan of his keyboard playing and most of his lyric writing.

[Hollywood]

How can Journey continue after this? Why would any 'fans' go see them....just to see Neal play? The whole band seems so phoney now. It's all just a bunch of drama.

If Neal still had quality musicians around him and a good singer I would still see Journey just to watch Neal play the guitar.

At this point I'd rather see Journey with Neal, Deen Todd (Preferably with Arnel) and another keyboardist (Preferably Gregg) than have to keep reading all of this stupid bull shit, publicity stunts or not while Cain is in the band.

I'd love it if Cain left the band at this point, even though I'm a huge fan of his keyboard playing and most of his lyric writing.

When/if Cain leaves Schon and his wife will just go after someone else. They went after Cain. When management wouldn't go along with the craziness they moved on to Valory and Smith. Don't get me wrong, those guys handled the situation poorly, but at the end of the day nothing would have really changed if they would have gotten to be President and VP. They are just titles in a corporation and the ownership shares would not have changed. That is the reason why Herbie and Perry voted in favor, it was more symbolic than anything. Then Schon turned on Live Nation and burned that bridge. Then turned on Azoff, then Q Prime. Something went down with Mendoza, Randy Jackson, and Narada. Now back to Cain.

He pushed that Cain didn't want Rolie at the RRHOF which I didn't believe. Now him and his wife are saying that Arnel and Cain are objecting to Rolie, which Arnel has outright denied and it seems like Cain has spoken in acceptance of Rolie. Gregg hasn't really said anything. This is all being driven by one side.

I hate siding with Cain as his wife is a grifter of the top degree. Taking money from working families.

I don't really understand why people thing Jonathan looks unhappy on stage. He has always been pretty stiff on stage. Back to The Babys. He just never looked comfortable. He's the Pat Boone of Journey.

[The_Noble_Cause]

and it seems like Cain has spoken in acceptance of Rolie.

To the contrary, Jonathan has not mentioned Gregg at all. He has been posting about songs he wrote like BGTY and Faithfully, which is cool. If Arnel and Jon made a decision regarding Gregg, he has chosen to keep it behind the scenes.

Neal, meanwhile, is back to attacking JC and re-posting Real Music Observer Videos. Y'know, perfectly normal behavior you would expect from a band of this caliber.

[Art Vandelay]

I'm kind of wondering now if this is Neal's attempt to relaunch Journey Through Time as Neal Schon's Journey, which he seemed more interested in anyway. It's an erratic and destructive way of doing so, and he's completely torching the mothership while doing so. But that's essentially what you would end up having, if Cain and Arnel are gone.

Creatively it would be cool, financially it would be a disaster. But everything about this band is delusional right now, so who knows....

[Gideon]

Azoff would never have stood for this.

I'd offer to talk to all parties, but I'm still on Cain's shit list. Still...I'd do it.

If you're willing to risk burning the bridge with all parties and will ask tough questions from all of them, you should.

On the one hand, you gotta do what's best for MR's business, on the other: Journey is nearing the final decade or less of its career and you're a passionate fan who has the knowledge and context to ask incisive questions and try to move them towards a reconciliatory epiphany.

If anyone could do it, I'm sure you could. I look at all Journey's wasted potential after 2008 and it's disquieting. They hit the ground running with a new album, mainstream media buzz with AP, etc. Go back and look at the footage of the Revelation tour; JC is smiling, he and Neal are literally standing back to back for the Keep On Runnin' outro like they did back in the 80s, etc.

Then these mfs decided not to tour in 2010. They bailed on ECL1P53 after a year. They never stepped up their social media game. They played residencies and orchestral shows promising to release footage and never did. They waited for the better part of a decade to do anything about the sound mix.

Then after a wildly successful 2021 in which they played the NYE show, Lollapalooza, CNN NY shit, iHeartRadio... they still never stepped up their social media game and now it's devolved into this shit.

Journey's post-Perry/post-Herbie years are gonna be defined ultimately by this: failed potential.

[Hollywood]

and it seems like Cain has spoken in acceptance of Rolie.

To the contrary, Jonathan has not mentioned Gregg at all. He has been posting about songs he wrote like BGTY and Faithfully, which is cool. If Arnel and Jon made a decision regarding Gregg, he has chosen to keep it behind the scenes.

Neal, meanwhile, is back to attacking JC and re-posting Real Music Observer Videos. Y'know, perfectly normal behavior you would expect from a band of this caliber.

The crappy website you mentioned above that Cain spoke to was New York City's biggest classic rock station and during the interview he expressed he would have no problem with past members joining the band for the 50th anniversary tour. He didn't specifically mention Gregg and the question wasn't worded to only Gregg. One thing I will give Cain credit for outside of music is that he doesn't air dirty laundry on the internet. They had it up on the site for a day or so and then it disappeared which is normal for I Heart Radio stations. Neal saw that it was deleted and went ballistic. A small synopsis is still up of the interview on the site.

Still no one has said what capacity Gregg was going to play and Gregg has been silent aside from emojis. I am assuming it will all come to a head soon as production rehearsals should begin in a week or so.

https://q1043.iheart.com/content/2023-0 ... e-lawsuit/

[The_Noble_Cause]

The crappy website you mentioned above that Cain spoke to was New York City's biggest classic rock station and during the interview...

Cain didn't speak to them and there was NO interview. He's been on vacation with Paula. The article's source was a Cain's FB/Instagram vacation post simply saying he would be on tour with Journey. They took that info and ran with it (assuming Rolie would be there too).

...he expressed he would have no problem with past members joining the band for the 50th anniversary tour. He didn't specifically mention Gregg and the question wasn't worded to only Gregg.

Cain didn't express ANYTHING. There was no interview. Cain expressed NOTHING on this topic. Show me the quotes or link to the audio. The radio station already retracted it and apologized. No surprise - it was obvious clickbait fact-free BS from the start.

They had it up on the site for a day or so and then it disappeared which is normal for I Heart Radio stations. Neal saw that it was deleted and went ballistic.

Yes, they had a BS clickbait article up along with many others. Cain didn't talk to Q104.3 or anyone.

Still no one has said what capacity Gregg was going to play and Gregg has been silent aside from emojis. I am assuming it will all come to a head soon as production rehearsals should begin in a week or so.

As of right now, Gregg's not going to be there.

https://q1043.iheart.com/content/2023-01-11-jonathan-cain-confirms-he-will-tour-with-journey-despite-lawsuit/

Uh, did you actually read this? The only quote from Cain on here is from his FB/Instagram page (like I said) and it doesn't mention Rolie, past members, or anything.

Again, there was NO JC interview with "NYC biggest rock station." LOL. Like that means anything. The articles are probably written by unpaid interns.