This Band can Now Make a "Comeback."

[fred_journeyman]

When they replaced Augeri without missing a beat, without any public discussion, and continued to tour as if nothing had happened, they jumped the shark. It's just a matter of time before it's seen.

THAT issue was something that absolutely SHOULD have been dealt with publically. You can't just replace a lead singer overnight and then go on as if he's either still there or was never there. I understand the background vocals still contain Augeri's vocals. The whole situation is just way too weird.

[Monker]

I'd like to, but do you really think they will be able to extricate themselves from the "nostalgia mill?" I am SO tired of hearing those songs in concert.

And, that is exactly what is going to happen.

[fred_journeyman]

I'm not even ready to give up on Journey. Not now! Damn, Fred, if they hang it up now.. that's forever! That's it! You know what I mean?

I say let's see what happens with Journey now that JSS is probably in! I think it'll be great!

Write, write, write, play, play, play & record, record, record, JOURNEY! Hell yeah!

I know if they hang it up now, it's forever. The weirdest thing though is that because all they do is play the classic tunes when they're in concert, I feel as if THEY have given it up. I hope I'm wrong.

[Monker]

What you fail to remember, Monker, is that the majority of people who go to shows don't even know WHO Steve Augeri is!

I'll take that even further...

The majority of people seeing Journey on THIS TOUR probably didn't even know Journey still existed.

But, when they try to tour on their own...I think things will be different. More people know who Augeri is then you give credit. Not the 'majority', but, IMO, enough to make a difference.

[The_Noble_Cause]

LOL...the 'kiss of death' happened when some Judas walked up to Augeri and kissed him on the cheak and sacrificed him for all the sins that the BAND has comitted the past year or more. You are just following that propaganda and believe everything that falls in line with the Judas lines of what was.

You were the eccentric acne-ridden theatre geek in highschool that everyone punched in the balls, weren't you?

In the long run, JOURNEY will suffer because of it...Blame whoever you want, Neal, Dean, JSS, you, Andrew, Lula, who cares. When they replaced Augeri without missing a beat, without any public discussion, and continued to tour as if nothing had happened, they jumped the shark. It's just a matter of time before it's seen.

Like all of your empty bluster, that sounds very ominous, but fails to mean anything.
How will Journey suffer?
Because 10 people from BackTalk will cancel their fanclub memberships? LOL.
What a silly bastard.

[Crazie Scarab]

What you fail to remember, Monker, is that the majority of people who go to shows don't even know WHO Steve Augeri is!

I'll take that even further...

The majority of people seeing Journey on THIS TOUR probably didn't even know Journey still existed.

But, when they try to tour on their own...I think things will be different. More people know who Augeri is then you give credit. Not the 'majority', but, IMO, enough to make a difference.

But, now they do know Journey is still out there! And, if you look at the sold out shows, you'll notice the majority of sold out shows started after JSS came on board.

Dude, I don't even know how many times I've either heard, "that's not steve perry!" Or, "who is that guy?" Or, "what's the new singers name?" Nothing against SA, but it's flippin' true!

[The_Noble_Cause]

More people know who Augeri is then you give credit. Not the 'majority', but, IMO, enough to make a difference.

They may know him, but their world does not revolve around him.
On the rare occassion I would strike up conversations with concertgoers, some of those that knew Augeri, told me they actually wanted Chalfant.

The reality is this: the attendance is largely made up of the casual conertgoer and they don't care if it's Augeri, Kevin, or JSS up there. They come for the catalog, not for the patented "Augeri tushy wiggle".

Those that argue otherwise need to unjack from the internet and get a grip.

[Crazie Scarab]

You were the eccentric acne-ridden theatre geek in highschool that everyone punched in the balls, weren't you?

LOL! FUCK! Now I gotta go take a piss! Too damn funny!

[Monker]

You were the eccentric acne-ridden theatre geek in highschool that everyone punched in the balls, weren't you?

Nope...

I was the quiet and shy computer geek who went about basicaly un-noticed by choice.

YOU are the one who made the "kiss of death" line. Excuse me if I can paint a better picture with words then you can.

Like all of your empty bluster, that sounds very ominous, but fails to mean anything.
How will Journey suffer?
Because 10 people from BackTalk will cancel their fanclub memberships? LOL.
What a silly bastard.

I'll give you a SMALL example. Radio here supported Journey with Augeri. They DID play "Higher Place" and songs from Red13. Now they basicaly have to START OVER with JSS. People who listen to radio here and pay attention to Journey KNOW who Augeri is. Journey with JSS also has to START OVER with them. THAT is suffering...and they will NOT be albe to keep the support of ALL radio stations such as the local one here, and they will NOT be able to keep the support of ALL of the fans who know about Augeri. You are dreaming if you believe they can.

BT is not their ONLY fanbase.

[fred_journeyman]

And, that is exactly what is going to happen.

I would tend to agree, though I wouldn't mind if they proved me wrong.

[Crazie Scarab]

And, that is exactly what is going to happen.

I would tend to agree, though I wouldn't mind if they proved me wrong.

Ok.. if you guys are right & Journey takes and bails out within one year, I'll say you were right.

If not, I hope you'll both be big enough to say you were wrong.

Now.. let's leave it to time... Deal?

08/23/06

[The_Noble_Cause]

YOU are the one who made the "kiss of death" line.

So?
Nothing overly theatrical about that.
I prolly stole it from a Scorsese blood and guts mob flick.

Radio here supported Journey with Augeri. They DID play "Higher Place" and songs from Red13. Now they basicaly have to START OVER with JSS.

Not really. People hear Journey is coming to town (via radio ads, newsprint etc) and come to the show to hear the catalog.

People who listen to radio here and pay attention to Journey KNOW who Augeri is.

Well maybe they do in your armpit neck of the woods, but you're an anomaly.
The majority of the country simply doesn't care.
They come to hear the catalog.

Journey with JSS also has to START OVER with them.

Start over what?
Augeri was singing songs that he didn't write or sing initially.
So now some other cat is doing the songs Augeri did that weren't his to begin with.
If they could replace Steve Perry I assure you they can replace Steve Augeri.

and they will NOT be albe to keep the support of ALL radio stations such as the local one here, and they will NOT be able to keep the support of ALL of the fans who know about Augeri.

The Augeri fanbase is insignificant.
People come to hear the catalog, chowder head.

[Monker]

So?
Nothing overly theatrical about that.
I prolly stole it from a Scorsese blood and guts mob flick.

You, overly theatrical? Oh, no, that would NEVER happen, you pig-fucker, you!

Not really. People hear Journey is coming to town (via radio ads, newsprint etc) and come to the show to hear the catalog.

You're a moron. You QUOTED me talking about radio supporting Augeri, and you talk about why fans come to shows.

Well maybe they do in your armpit neck of the woods, but you're an anomaly.
The majority of the country simply doesn't care.
They come to hear the catalog.

I'm not arguing about the MAJORITY. I'm saying there is enough to make a difference. That's all that matters.

As is said, the MAJORITY didn't know Perry left either...But, that didn't help Arrival much, did it?

Start over what?

Start building ANY support for new music on radio...Start building ANY sort of new fanbase for their new lineup.

Augeri was singing songs that he didn't write or sing initially.

Irrelevant. He has a fanbase and that lineup had SOME radio support. What songs he sung doesn't matter.

So now some other cat is doing the songs Augeri did that weren't his to begin with.
If they could replace Steve Perry I assure you they can replace Steve Augeri.

Sure they can...with less success. That's the nature of the beast. Deal with it.

The Augeri fanbase is insignificant.

That statement is unproven. We'll see how true it is this time next year.

People come to hear the catalog, chowder head.

And, some come to hear it being sung by a specific singer.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're a moron. You QUOTED me talking about radio supporting Augeri, and you talk about why fans come to shows.

By and large radio doesn't support Augeri. However, Azoff mangt, the promoters, or whomever it is, certainly DO wield enough monterary muscle to buy advertising time. Journey concerts are always advertised on classic rock stations when they come to town. That is one of the primary sources of advertising for the band. Not, as you seem to think, Casey Kasem spinning "Believe" on the Top 40 countdown.

As is said, the MAJORITY didn't know Perry left either...But, that didn't help Arrival much, did it?

What a red herring.
Who the fuck is talking about "Arrival" or new music, in general?

Start building ANY support for new music on radio...Start building ANY sort of new fanbase for their new lineup.

They don't have to as long as the band is called "Journey". People come for the hits.

He has a fanbase and that lineup had SOME radio support.

So miniscule it's not even worth quarreling over.
Maybe current day Journey is all the rave in your jerkwater one-horse town, but you'd be the exception.

What songs he sung doesn't matter.

How utterly foolish.
Why has the band been enslaved to the dirty dozen year after grueling year?
Because that is what the overwhelming percentage of the people in attendance are there for.
As long as that remains the same, the band will see no decline in ticket sales.
You heard it here first.

That's the nature of the beast.

Can we please have one post without someone bringing your wife up?
Thanks.

[A Fire Inside]

Casual observation:

Why is it hilarious to you guys when TNC tells Monker to fuck his "dog-faced wife", but when someone mentions Lula it's war?

[Liam]

Casual observation:

Why is it hilarious to you guys when TNC tells Monker to fuck his "dog-faced wife", but when someone mentions Lula it's war?

This is one thing I'll agree with you on....Keep it one on one. No need to bring wives, g/f's, family members, etc. into it.

[Andrew]

Let's play nice folks...

[Matthew]

Isn't the continued presence of Journey hits on classic rock radio playlists a more significant factor in the continuing sales of the back catalogue?

You can believe that, certainly. Had Journey not continued touring, then chances are great (I believe) that those same classic tunes would not have the notoriety they do today. The fact that the tunes are played on classic rock stations certainly might play a part, but how does anyone know for sure? I don't think it can be stated that the continued touring plays NO part in keeping that material alive and for anyone who really thinks that, maybe they simply don't want to give any credit to today's Journey.

Even with DSB on Monster, who really truly knows whether or not that would have been there had not it been for the fact that the band continued to tour? Who knows also whether or not everything would have been reissued as it is being reissued with additional material, or that the 1981 concert would finally be released on DVD?

In my opinion, it is the continued presence of Journey on stage that has had that affect on CD and DVD sales. Do you really think that had Journey stopped touring after TBF, that the Houston concert would have seen the light of day on DVD?

Irrespective of all the faults and foibles of today's Journey, the benefit IN MY OPINION has been new releases of old material. I truly don't believe that can be denied, though some will certainly try.

I guess we'll never know - but I agree that it's likely that touring has helped sales of the back catalogue to some extent.

But DSB on Monster owes nothing to the Augeri tours. The director wanted an archetytpal early 80s song to evoke that period in the film - and Charlize Theron herself wrote to Steve Perry to ask him permission and convince him to let them include it. I hardly think it needed Augeri era Journey to jog their memory of DSB.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Casual observation:

Oh, I bet. You have expressed no bias or prejudice here AT ALL.

Why is it hilarious to you guys when TNC tells Monker to fuck his "dog-faced wife", but when someone mentions Lula it's war?

Because Lula is an innocent bystander.
Monker has willfully placed himself at the frontlines of Journey fandom wars for years.
He knows the risks.

[Red13JoePa]

Casual observation:

Oh, I bet. You have expressed no bias or prejudice here AT ALL.

Why is it hilarious to you guys when TNC tells Monker to fuck his "dog-faced wife", but when someone mentions Lula it's war?

Because Lula is an innocent bystander.
Monker has willfully placed himself at the frontlines of Journey fandom wars for years.
He knows the risks.

Wait a second here, toolbox.
Did we all miss Monker's wife's first post?

[fred_journeyman]

I guess we'll never know - but I agree that it's likely that touring has helped sales of the back catalogue to some extent.

I think that's safe to say. I also think without the constant touring, we would not be looking forward to upcoming reissues with new material.

But DSB on Monster owes nothing to the Augeri tours. The director wanted an archetytpal early 80s song to evoke that period in the film - and Charlize Theron herself wrote to Steve Perry to ask him permission and convince him to let them include it. I hardly think it needed Augeri era Journey to jog their memory of DSB.

You could be correct. Frankly, I've not seen the movie (dont' care to) and really don't know much about the behind-the-scenes stuff related to the music. I do know they used DSB and listed Perry in the credits.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Wait a second here, toolbox.

Ok, cockwrench.

Did we all miss Monker's wife's first post?

Guilt by association.
When you step into the arena everything is fair game.
Lula has remained on the sidelines and her reputation should remain there unscathed.

[Red13JoePa]

Oh.


Wait.


Doncha mean "selective guilt by association," if that's your logic?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh.


Wait.


Doncha mean "selective guilt by association," if that's your logic?

Not at all.
What association do I have with Lula?
Very little to speak of.
Why drag an innocent bystander into this?

[Red13JoePa]

It's "selective" in that Monker;s innocent bystander wife is fair game to you.

[Lula]

Thank you TNC.
I'm perfectly able to jump in and argue and will when I choose to. As far as Monker bringing me into this.... whatever he obviously feels the need to do so. I'll simply keep on doing what I do and let those that choose to slam me for whatever reason carry on with such behavior, at this point I'm used to people making up their mind about me based on internet bullshit. I'm living my life and having fun I do appreciate your efforts in keeping my name out of it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's "selective" in that Monker;s innocent bystander wife is fair game to you.

Monker is currently in the fray.
Deano and Lula are not family of mine, nor are they in anyway a part of this argument.
If Monker wishes to savage Lula the next time he quarrels with Deano that would be fair.

[Red13JoePa]

It's "selective" in that Monker;s innocent bystander wife is fair game to you.

Monker is currently in the fray.
Deano and Lula are not family of mine, nor are they in anyway a part of this argument.
If Monker wishes to savage Lula the next time he quarrels with Deano that would be fair.

Dont' BS. It's the worst kep secret here that you and deano are in bed on tapegate.

I will agree that I don't roll w/ shots at lula.

What came first, though? The Lula reference or his wife ref?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dont' BS. It's the worst kep secret here that you and deano are in bed on tapegate.

Just a mild mannered Journey fan here.
Me and Dean may possibly share some similar views. Just as you and NIG share yours.
But that hardly enables Monker to bring Dean's gf into this.

The Lula reference or his wife ref?

The Lula reference was first made in a different thread. So I'm not sure.

[jrnyman28]

I also feel quite certain that had Journey NOT been continually playing year after year since reforming after the TBF debacle, Steve Perry would not be re-releasing his previous music (or Journey's) with new releases on the CDs. That's the upside.

Isn't the continued presence of Journey hits on classic rock radio playlists a more significant factor in the continuing sales of the back catalogue?

I would have to say that Matthew is correct. Perry has been quite active keeping HIS era of tunes in the mainstream. Hell, DSB being on Laguna Beach and in the movie Monster made it one of the MOST DOWNLOADED SONGS OF ALL-TIME. He got it there, not Neal or Augeri. They've been on Scrubs, The Wedding Singer, The Simpsons (countless times), Talladega Nights, The Oscars, Monster, The White Sox stuff and a host of other shows and movies since TBF. That coupled with airplay and great stations like VH-1 Classic have kept the catalog rolling along. HOWEVER, I'm sure the constant touring over the last 8 years has had something to do with the catalog sales. It's just a very small amount compared to what I just mentioned.

I would say Journey touring is what has kept the music in everyone's ear. Radio stations see the attendance figures and dust off the hits. The people involved in all these shows were likely fans during Journey's heyday and have been reminded of that because Journey has been touring and their music is being played on the radio. Perry is not responsible for all this happening. (Unless you take it all the way back to the fact that he sang the songs...)