Not impressed

[Aaron]

Damn it Tree, my mama may be a little butch but please leave her out of it.

it's yo mama.

Ok, I've beat my head against the wall all afternoon trying to figure it out. Who the fuck is this Owen Arms dude? I want to know ...

[Aaron]

I must be retarded.

He did drop the p which is a big deal to me. If it's not to you, rock on. We clearly have different expectations and that's ok, that's what makes the world go around.

If Arnel gets better and can bring it, I'll be the first to admit it. Right now I'm not impressed.

One thing a lot of people would benefit to learn on this board is that it is very difficult to argue against a person's opinion. Each person has different expectations and different factors that determine a good performance to them. I don't expect folks that love Arnel to change their mind based on my opinion not agreeing theirs right now. And vise versa, don't expect my opinion to change as well.

My expectations are pretty high for this band and for it's singer. If I wanted to see a mediocre performance, I'll go see a couple of local bar bands. Journey is a band playing for 15,000 people at one shot, not a bar band playing for 50 people. I expect a band playing to 15,000 to be damn good.

Ok, I've beat my head against the wall all afternoon trying to figure it out. Who the fuck is this Owen Arms dude? I want to know ...

Comedian? Or just clueless?

I just listened to that track again...you can clearly hear the "p" in open 6 out of the 7 times Arnel says the word in the clip.

So he "dropped" one of them. Big fucking deal.

Really lame, folks...this bashing (and go ahead and claim that's NOT what all this is...you'll just sound more pathetic by doing so) has reached retarded level.

As someone who's been around long enough (and been been lucky enough) to see EVERY configuration of this band live, I was as skeptical as any when the band's choice of Arnel was announced. But the guy is exactly what the band wanted. I fail to see what anyone's beef here is, unless they simply don't like the guy, for whatever reason.

I've said it before in this thread, and I'll say it again: the little dude has THE GOODS, and if anyone doesn't think he'll improve with each successive show, you're high.

;^)

[Aaron]

Ditto, it did suck.

Back on topic...I thought Pineda was awful. I think they are fucked.

[Aaron]

Was that the song?, thanks for that. It was hard to tell based on the lyrics.

Um...okay.

We've been fans for 30 years. Your parents are barely that old.

I saw Perry with Journey seven times.

THAT is the standard against which I compare everyone else.

The issue with Pineda is not his voice - it's not as good as Jeremey's but it's very good.

The problem is his COMPLETE lack of stage presence, and his height. Neal is half a head taller than he is.

You're either born with stage presence or not. JSS blew EVERYONE away in Charlotte on his third gig even though he hadn't adapted his voice to the songs yet. But he was a ROCK STAR. Pineda is a lounge lizard. He looks like one of those little guys you see at a smoky karaoke bar - can sing his balls off, but just stares at the monitor.

Im sorry but you cant say there was no presence at all just he wasnt juggling chickens and wanking a cow whilst singing Stone In Love.

[ohsherrie]

I just dont get it. If u dont like something, then why listen to it or watch it?

That's why I haven't.

I will complain about the fact that he's even a topic of discussion on this board though because I don't think he has any right to be so.

I think its rather silly to have such strong opinion on something that you've never heard or seen, and to be complaining about it all day on a message board is beyond me.

My strong opinion is that they offended me and many other original Journey fans(fans who have been around since the music that band is still living on was originally recorded with the man without whom it never would have existed) by digging up that screecher to try and exactly replicate the original voice in a knockoff re-recording of those songs.

I'm not interested in hearing that. Why would I be? I can hear the original. I'm not interested in hearing anything new that they do. Just having a voice that can sing high notes in the band doesn't make it Journey to me anymore than it was Journey to me with Augeri(my apologies to my friends who liked him). It takes more than just singing high notes. It doesn't surprise me that so many come-lately fans don't understand that. That's your loss and I'm missing nothing by rejecting the travesty they're perpetrating now.

As to my "complaining" about it on this board, last I looked this board(that I've been on for nearly 6 yrs) isn't reserved for those who like everything the band with the name at the top does. If you think a messageboard should be for nothing but praising anything related to the band I understand that one of those is again in existence.

[Panther]

Hmmm.... Not many fresh from debate lessons, eh?

My connection with the live stream was not what I had hoped for the other night. That said, I think AP did okay. Not great, not really bad, but okay. The bits of video I did get showed him moving about the stage and somewhat interacting with a few people right up front. I didn't get to see/hear WITS (getting the connection to start up the first time was a bitch), but did get to hear/see(notsomuch) AWYWI and I'm sorry, but he all but killed that song. If your breath control took the 8:40 to LA, you need to slow it down, bring it back and begin again. My 5 y/o twisted (that is her fav song of all time) was NOT happy with that rendition.
I agree with everyone on the non-interaction between the bandmates. One would think that the seasoned veterans would have at least played it up for a crowd that was hot and heavy for them. Neal, at times, looked like a washed up trout, Ross needs to lay off the booze/pipe before a comeback performance (or was it just me that caught the overly slurred speech between the first and second encores?) and Jon, well, he almost looked as if someone had requested he play some lame sixth grade beginner band items. Again, I didn't get to "see" a lot of the video from the stream.
Did AP rule on that stage? Well, he did bring it up a couple of notches, which was good. Was the overall sound/vibe representative of what the J band has become known for? Sadly, no. Though, I imagine it will get.... better.
I was impressed that they put a couple of rockers in there, right off the bat. Perhaps checking out the range of AP "live" prior to heading out for tour, who knows.
Speaking on the "diction" issue. Not too sure if it is because I hear the language so frequently or what, but I did hear several tagaspeaks in there. I know he is working on it, but some of them were in areas that even my friends no longer slip into (many of them born and raised in the homeland). I hope he can work those out.
In the end, that performance won't have me scouring the net to find a concert close to me (hell, the band was here with Mr. A and I couldn't drag myself to it) and probably won't have me buying the newest cds. But he did a fair job the first time out of the stable. My initial thoughts on this singer still hold. I hope he can possibly use this as a springboard into his "own" niche in the world of rock. He definitely has that old 80's quality to his sound that could bring a refreshing ressurgence for us oldtimers.

[finalfight]

Two opinions that I would be very interested in right now are those of JSS and Jeremey. I wonder what they thought of the show?

[pdsidd]

Maybe it was the internet connection, but I thought Arnel Pineda's performance tonight in Chile was mediocre. He certainly is able to mimick (almost parrot like) some of Steve Perry's sound, but he cannot touch Steve's soul!

Sorry boys.

Thought he did well. It's a big deal fronting Journey, it's not Karaoke, thought he did a good job and at least it sounds like Journey which is more than you can say than when JSS stepped in for Augeri.

Just my view. Hope to hell they do the UK again. Come on u journey

[cookieduster]

Arnel is doing a fine job, all the singers for Journey have done fine.
There is no one to ever fill Steve Perry's shoes and we will all just have to get over that fact.

Arnel does not come across as the gentleman that Perry and Augeri did though.

[texafana]

The vox, is already 95% there. More than JSS ever had, singing Journey.
The stage presence, is probably at 30%, JSS was at 100% from day 1.

The "hard" part for Arnel is already there, he just needs to calm down, act a little more "rock god like" on stage and he'll be awesome. Right now he's in the "take it easy on me, it's my first time" phase. And for all practical purposes, it IS his first time in front of "real" crowds. 6 months from now, Arnel is going to blow alot of people away.

[pdsidd]

Arnel is doing a fine job, all the singers for Journey have done fine.
There is no one to ever fill Steve Perry's shoes and we will all just have to get over that fact.

Arnel does not come across as the gentleman that Perry and Augeri did though.

Give him some time...

[cookieduster]

Arnel is doing a fine job, all the singers for Journey have done fine.
There is no one to ever fill Steve Perry's shoes and we will all just have to get over that fact.

Arnel does not come across as the gentleman that Perry and Augeri did though.

Give him some time...

oh, I intend to!

[finalfight]

The vox, is already 95% there. More than JSS ever had, singing Journey.
The stage presence, is probably at 30%, JSS was at 100% from day 1.

The "hard" part for Arnel is already there, he just needs to calm down, act a little more "rock god like" on stage and he'll be awesome. Right now he's in the "take it easy on me, it's my first time" phase. And for all practical purposes, it IS his first time in front of "real" crowds. 6 months from now, Arnel is going to blow alot of people away.

I thought Arnel's stage presence was surprisingly good right from the start although he needs to lay off the 'yeahs' and 'come ons' to the crowd a little! Other than that he seemed really energetic and not like he was following a hackneyed routine, which was refreshing.

I was disappointed that he was not 100 percent on the vocal side of things but only because I really wanted this to be a perfect performance for him, smooth sailing so to speak. I did however enjoy it very much and look forward to what the future brings. I'm certainly routing for the current line up to be suceed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Two opinions that I would be very interested in right now are those of JSS and Jeremey. I wonder what they thought of the show?

Back when he caught his first JSS-fronted show, Jeremey came in and commented as a fan.
From one fan to another, I'd like to hear his thoughts and would hope others won't use it as an opportunity to pelt more shit.

[treetopovskaya]

}:C)

Damn it Tree, my mama may be a little butch but please leave her out of it.

it's yo mama.

Ok, I've beat my head against the wall all afternoon trying to figure it out. Who the fuck is this Owen Arms dude? I want to know ...

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

By the by, the JSSluts was a play on the Arnelians and Perryheads.

Dude, get the nomenclature right.

Perry fans = Loons

Augeri fans= Red Leather fatties or JoePa13

Soto= Soto Pops

actually, it's the chicas. we dropped the BackTalk "THP" but we remain chicas.

I'm an old slut. cool. not nice, YKMW. you keep us chicas waiting for an apology.

[Vladan]

The vox, is already 95% there. More than JSS ever had, singing Journey.
The stage presence, is probably at 30%, JSS was at 100% from day 1.

The "hard" part for Arnel is already there, he just needs to calm down, act a little more "rock god like" on stage and he'll be awesome. Right now he's in the "take it easy on me, it's my first time" phase. And for all practical purposes, it IS his first time in front of "real" crowds. 6 months from now, Arnel is going to blow alot of people away.

No, that's incorrect. I believe when it comes to the vocal delivery, from a singing perspective JSS pulls that off cleaner and with better pronunciation. I also believe your posts are totally 100% biased and pro Arnel all the way, as you are an Arnel supporter flat out, it gets rather nauseating reading the garbage pro Arnel supporters muster up - as it's complete rubbish.

Arnel I like, he's a good singer for what it's worth. Let's not get carried away. I saw the DVD of the show as well, it was a good show. But you have to take it for what it is, because if you compare it with classic Journey? it will never live up to the expectations, but if you take it for what it is - it's good, just not amazing like it use to be. But, we simply have to settle for this since Perry won't come back.

[treetopovskaya]

all this after 1 show. arnel is a person... what i find offense is the way some refer to him. he is a human being. fine you don't feel he is the right choice as lead vocalist for journey... but why such hatred? that's what i get from reading your post sherrie. that you HATE arnel. i just don't get that.

jss wasn't perfect his first few shows... actually it took a month or 2 for him to work it out... which he did very nicely. jss is a seasoned performer... & even he had trouble singing the catalog at first. i've seen video of sp when he first joined... he was pitchy all over the place. prolly nerves. good thing people didn't lose faith in sp! }:C)

arnel did pretty good his first night... without his muffin! he yanked that sucker right out of his ear. }:C))

i have no problems with neal & co... just one really... the way they treated jss. they should have handled things much better & more professionally than they did. it's done though... jss has moved on... and is much better off.

I just dont get it. If u dont like something, then why listen to it or watch it?

That's why I haven't.

I will complain about the fact that he's even a topic of discussion on this board though because I don't think he has any right to be so.

I think its rather silly to have such strong opinion on something that you've never heard or seen, and to be complaining about it all day on a message board is beyond me.

My strong opinion is that they offended me and many other original Journey fans(fans who have been around since the music that band is still living on was originally recorded with the man without whom it never would have existed) by digging up that screecher to try and exactly replicate the original voice in a knockoff re-recording of those songs.

I'm not interested in hearing that. Why would I be? I can hear the original. I'm not interested in hearing anything new that they do. Just having a voice that can sing high notes in the band doesn't make it Journey to me anymore than it was Journey to me with Augeri(my apologies to my friends who liked him). It takes more than just singing high notes. It doesn't surprise me that so many come-lately fans don't understand that. That's your loss and I'm missing nothing by rejecting the travesty they're perpetrating now.

As to my "complaining" about it on this board, last I looked this board(that I've been on for nearly 6 yrs) isn't reserved for those who like everything the band with the name at the top does. If you think a messageboard should be for nothing but praising anything related to the band I understand that one of those is again in existence.

[treetopovskaya]

i would hope jss is too busy right now. }:C))

Two opinions that I would be very interested in right now are those of JSS and Jeremey. I wonder what they thought of the show?

[pinkvelvet]

I just dont get it. If u dont like something, then why listen to it or watch it?

That's why I haven't.

I will complain about the fact that he's even a topic of discussion on this board though because I don't think he has any right to be so.

I think its rather silly to have such strong opinion on something that you've never heard or seen, and to be complaining about it all day on a message board is beyond me.

My strong opinion is that they offended me and many other original Journey fans(fans who have been around since the music that band is still living on was originally recorded with the man without whom it never would have existed) by digging up that screecher to try and exactly replicate the original voice in a knockoff re-recording of those songs.

I'm not interested in hearing that. Why would I be? I can hear the original. I'm not interested in hearing anything new that they do. Just having a voice that can sing high notes in the band doesn't make it Journey to me anymore than it was Journey to me with Augeri(my apologies to my friends who liked him). It takes more than just singing high notes. It doesn't surprise me that so many come-lately fans don't understand that. That's your loss and I'm missing nothing by rejecting the travesty they're perpetrating now.

As to my "complaining" about it on this board, last I looked this board(that I've been on for nearly 6 yrs) isn't reserved for those who like everything the band with the name at the top does. If you think a messageboard should be for nothing but praising anything related to the band I understand that one of those is again in existence.

You mentioned the word screecher, you said youve never listened or watched, what gave u that concusion? I did not say that you cant state ur opinion. youre very much entitled to one. Im just amazed that someone who supposedly dont like or judging from your posts "hate" the new incarnation, would waste their time posting messages all day at a message board about it. but its your time, your entitled to use it as you please. People are just wondering what the point is. Journey certainly wont change their mind just because OhSherrie said so.

[ohsherrie]

all this after 1 show. arnel is a person... what i find offense is the way some refer to him. he is a human being. fine you don't feel he is the right choice as lead vocalist for journey... but why such hatred? that's what i get from reading your post sherrie. that you HATE arnel. i just don't get that.

I don't get why you get that.

Hatred is a very strong word that I don't normally use when talking about people. I may say that I hate a situation, and as a matter of fact I do hate what that band is doing by bastardizing the GH, but I don't hate any of the people involved. I certainly have no reason to like any of them because I don't know any of them. The only member of Journey that I've ever met is JSS and I like him very much. I neither like nor hate any of them.

I'm sorry you're reading the wrong emotion into my posts. I really don't know how to make the printed word convey my feelings any better than I do.

[styxman]

Who's this Arnel dude

[Rick]

Who's this Arnel dude

Howdy stranger.

[Moon Beam]

Who's this Arnel dude

Maybe if you swung on by more often you'd know.
Ok that's my Sunday mud sling, I'll play nice now.

[styxman]

Who's this Arnel dude

Howdy stranger.

That's his real name Rick......what a fuckin' strange name that is

[Deb]

Who's this Arnel dude

[styxman]

Who's this Arnel dude

Maybe if you swung on by more often you'd know.
Ok that's my Sunday mud sling, I'll play nice now.

These days I'm in and out quicker than a Journey frontman

[ohsherrie]

You mentioned the word screecher, you said youve never listened or watched, what gave u that concusion? I did not say that you cant state ur opinion. youre very much entitled to one. Im just amazed that someone who supposedly dont like or judging from your posts "hate" the new incarnation, would waste their time posting messages all day at a message board about it. but its your time, your entitled to use it as you please. People are just wondering what the point is. Journey certainly wont change their mind just because OhSherrie said so.

First off, drop that word hate. I'm not going to waste time defending something that somebody else said of me.

What is this "post all day" shit? I seldom ever get a chance to post all day. I post occasionally throughout the day just like everybody else on here who has the opportunity to do so.

I've listened to Arnel on YouTube since his name was first mentioned. I was not impressed. I heard him screech up onto the notes in several of those clips. He's a much better than average singer. He could even be called a good singer. He's not good enough to suit me as a replacement for Steve Perry though.

My point is the same as yours. I'm here to express my opinion. If you don't like my opinion don't read it and don't respond to it. OhSherrie won't miss your interaction.

[styxman]

You mentioned the word screecher, you said youve never listened or watched, what gave u that concusion? I did not say that you cant state ur opinion. youre very much entitled to one. Im just amazed that someone who supposedly dont like or judging from your posts "hate" the new incarnation, would waste their time posting messages all day at a message board about it. but its your time, your entitled to use it as you please. People are just wondering what the point is. Journey certainly wont change their mind just because OhSherrie said so.

First off, drop that word hate. I'm not going to waste time defending something that somebody else said of me.

What is this "post all day" shit? I seldom ever get a chance to post all day. I post occasionally throughout the day just like everybody else on here who has the opportunity to do so.

I've listened to Arnel on YouTube since his name was first mentioned. I was not impressed. I heard him screech up onto the notes in several of those clips. He's a much better than average singer. He could even be called a good singer. He's not good enough to suit me as a replacement for Steve Perry though.

My point is the same as yours. I'm here to express my opinion. If you don't like my opinion don't read it and don't respond to it. OhSherrie won't miss your interaction.

Who's Steve Perry OS

[Rick]

Who's this Arnel dude

Howdy stranger.

That's his real name Rick......what a fuckin' strange name that is

What do you think of Arnel?