Neal Schon vs Hugo & Evolution tribute Band

[mdaemon]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

Steve, it just so happened that I am pinoy, but many of the caucasian members of Arnel's website have the same experience as me. We could not figure out what Arnel have done to us. We are all of age and yet, we are like teenagers following him like crazy. I'm sorry that Perry is not involved in it but there was no intention to disrespect, it's just a natural occurrence, I guess.

I am signing off on this issue. Thanks my friend.

Game set match...and well it is what it is....

Yes, people will keep laughing at them as they refuse to listen to much of the music and output of the voice that made the band famous (are ignorant of it it, in fact) and continue to flick their beans to a diminutive guy with a lot of talent but without much of a legacy

I think Arnel could have his own legacy someday, but he's still a pup in the business. Having gotten established with Journey, even if and when the band disolves, he will have made a name for himself and could carry on, a star in his own right, someday.

and I agree the best thing that AP can do is break out on his own and make his own legacy as Journey's is already been written...and that is with SMFP..and the fact that the band will not even acknowledge that there were two singers in between should be a BIG red flag for AP.............

I have never seen any Arnel interview in which he said that he wants to make his own legacy. He's always said that he is there to honor the legacy of Journey.

[JasonD]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

It's hard to say for sure, Jimi Jamison coulda come in and sang them to even greater success, you just never know.

The issue I have is all these idiots coming in here not even knowing about the past music of Journey, which, for the time being, is what Arnel's job and livelihood and their continued enjoyment of his talents all depend on.

[JasonD]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

It's hard to say for sure, Jimi Jamison coulda come in and sang them to even greater success, you just never know.

The issue I have is all these idiots coming in here not even knowing about the past music of Journey, which, for the time being, is what Arnel's job and livelihood and their continued enjoyment of his talents all depend on.

I can't believe you are HERE with less than 1 minute left in the Browns game. In any case, I couldn't agree with you more. Weighing in without doing their homework on the history of the band is both unfair & premature. Likewise, declaring oneself a Journey "fan" based upon the race of the current lead singer is about as stupid as me saying, "I like WHAM b/c George Michael is gay."

[Ehwmatt]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

It's hard to say for sure, Jimi Jamison coulda come in and sang them to even greater success, you just never know.

The issue I have is all these idiots coming in here not even knowing about the past music of Journey, which, for the time being, is what Arnel's job and livelihood and their continued enjoyment of his talents all depend on.

I can't believe you are HERE with less than 1 minute left in the Browns game. In any case, I couldn't agree with you more. Weighing in without doing their homework on the history of the band is both unfair & premature. Likewise, declaring oneself a Journey "fan" based upon the race of the current lead singer is about as stupid as me saying, "I like WHAM b/c George Michael is gay."

Oh I was watching, very depressing but encouraging in a way that only a heartbreaking overtime loss could be encouraging... in Cleveland.

[JasonD]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

It's hard to say for sure, Jimi Jamison coulda come in and sang them to even greater success, you just never know.

The issue I have is all these idiots coming in here not even knowing about the past music of Journey, which, for the time being, is what Arnel's job and livelihood and their continued enjoyment of his talents all depend on.

I can't believe you are HERE with less than 1 minute left in the Browns game. In any case, I couldn't agree with you more. Weighing in without doing their homework on the history of the band is both unfair & premature. Likewise, declaring oneself a Journey "fan" based upon the race of the current lead singer is about as stupid as me saying, "I like WHAM b/c George Michael is gay."

Oh I was watching, very depressing but encouraging in a way that only a heartbreaking overtime loss could be encouraging... in Cleveland.

Look on the bright side: They're better than the Lions.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

It's hard to say for sure, Jimi Jamison coulda come in and sang them to even greater success, you just never know.

The issue I have is all these idiots coming in here not even knowing about the past music of Journey, which, for the time being, is what Arnel's job and livelihood and their continued enjoyment of his talents all depend on.

I can't believe you are HERE with less than 1 minute left in the Browns game. In any case, I couldn't agree with you more. Weighing in without doing their homework on the history of the band is both unfair & premature. Likewise, declaring oneself a Journey "fan" based upon the race of the current lead singer is about as stupid as me saying, "I like WHAM b/c George Michael is gay."

Oh I was watching, very depressing but encouraging in a way that only a heartbreaking overtime loss could be encouraging... in Cleveland.

Look on the bright side: They're better than the Lions.

Haha, we will find out when they meet... right now the Lions have a better record! It was a good game, I just wanted to enjoy watching them and I finally got to today. They fought hard.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

Hmmm, you would be wrong and you have pretty much stated, yet again, things we all know!!! Point being, this Journey thing is/was a TEAM Sport!!
Michael Jordan didn't win championships alone, yet you hear little of Scottie and co. (which is sad). The Bulls becamse HUGE when MJ
joined the team and they maintained that status pretty much throughout his reign!!! Do you hear much about the Bulls today?!?!?
Not alotta, but when you do you will most assuredly hear Michael Jordan's name at some point in the conversation. His name will always be synonymous with the Bulls as will Perry's w/Journey.
Sometimes one member of a team makes more of an impact on us than others...and not everyone is in agreement
as to whom impacted them the most!! For the vast majority, it's Perry/Jordan and others prefer Schon/Pippen!!
The Fact remains, they didn't make their marks in the world of music/sports without their teammates and we already know this!!!

[steveperryfan]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

[JasonD]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

How dare you try to get this thread back on to it's original topic.


J/K

Carry on.............

[JasonD]

I'm not trying to take away from Perry what he rightfully deserves. I know he was a HUGE contributing factor in Journey's success. Still, some of the comments I've read on this board have lead me to believe that certain people here feel as if Neal & company are supposed to live FOREVER in Perry's debt, FOREVER in Perry's shadow & so on. It's as if those people feel that Schon owes Perry something unattainable. I just don't see it that way. I feel as if he's paid his "Perry dues" & that he is still making restitution by way of royalties Perry receives. I don't want to get into a semantics argument regarding Rolie's contribution to the band; however, in addition to Rolie's contribution, Journey was Schon's baby from the onset. Perry came in from the outside. Together they made the band a success along with the efforts of Cain & others. It wasn't a single-handed maneuver. People say that without Perry, Journey wouldn't have gone anywhere. That MAY be true. We'll never know. Still, one could look at the flipside of that statement & say that without Journey, Perry might have become the next Frank Perdue. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

Hmmm, you would be wrong and you have pretty much stated, yet again, things we all know!!! Point being, this Journey thing is/was a TEAM Sport!!
Michael Jordan didn't win championships alone, yet you hear little of Scottie and co. (which is sad). The Bulls becamse HUGE when MJ
joined the team and they maintained that status pretty much throughout his reign!!! Do you hear much about the Bulls today?!?!?
Not alotta, but when you do you will most assuredly hear Michael Jordan's name at some point in the conversation. His name will always be synonymous with the Bulls as will Perry's w/Journey.
Sometimes one member of a team makes more of an impact on us than others...and not everyone is in agreement
as to whom impacted them the most!! For the vast majority, it's Perry/Jordan and others prefer Schon/Pippen!!
The Fact remains, they didn't make their marks in the world of music/sports without their teammates and we already know this!!!

Yes, dear.

[steveperryfan]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

How dare you try to get this thread back on to it's original topic.


J/K

Carry on.............

LOL!!!!!!

[steveo777]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

Because maybe you don't see the false advertising aspect of it? You cannot display Journey's name with prominence, while displaying a likeness to the Journey scarab then minimizing the print which indicates that you are a Journey tribute band. Noooooo, nothing wrong with that at all. That's where the beef was born, not the fact that they are a Journey tribute band doing what tribute bands do. So Neal calls them on it and he is out of line? Now that's just whacked.

[Michigan Girl]

Still, just trying to keep things in perspective.

[Blueskies]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

Speaking as an artist , if I had created the logo design and any associated art and someone else blatently ripped off my design work and was using it for their own benefit without permission I would be on those doing it like white on rice, too. So, Neal is not only protecting his work but the work of the artists the band has employed as well.....and protecting the bands investment in the consigned artwork which they've probably paid out quite a bit for over the years. Maybe y'all didn't have anything to do with that poster as you've said, but your man Hugo's pic is on it and if he did perform at the club as advertised then it was on him to make sure he was being accurately represented. After seeing that poster Neal was undeniably in the right to say something about it and even pursue action against for infringement if he wanted to against the club and Hugo. The artist whose copywrited work is being obviously infringed could take it up as well.

[mdaemon]

I can't believe you are HERE with less than 1 minute left in the Browns game. In any case, I couldn't agree with you more. Weighing in without doing their homework on the history of the band is both unfair & premature. Likewise, declaring oneself a Journey "fan" based upon the race of the current lead singer is about as stupid as me saying, "I like WHAM b/c George Michael is gay."

There was a time when some people declared themselves *not* Journey fans any more because of the race of the current lead singer.

[steveo777]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

Speaking as an artist , if I had created the logo design and any associated art and someone else blatently ripped off my design work and was using it for their own benefit without permission I would be on those doing it like white on rice, too. So, Neal is not only protecting his work but the work of the artists the band has employed as well.....and protecting the bands investment in the consigned artwork which they've probably paid out quite a bit for over the years. Maybe y'all didn't have anything to do with that poster as you've said, but your man Hugo's pic is on it and if he did perform at the club as advertised then it was on him to make sure he was being accurately represented. After seeing that poster Neal was undeniably in the right to say something about it and even pursue action against for infringement if he wanted to against the club and Hugo. The artist whose copywrited work is being obviously infringed could take it up as well.

But Neal or the band or it's management won't probably sue because there is probably nothing to gain, other than a cease and desist order. Financially, since there would be no benefit and probably more expense than it's worth, he took the next best thing....berate the living shit out of em on Facebook. I completely understand.

[Blueskies]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

Speaking as an artist , if I had created the logo design and any associated art and someone else blatently ripped off my design work and was using it for their own benefit without permission I would be on those doing it like white on rice, too. So, Neal is not only protecting his work but the work of the artists the band has employed as well.....and protecting the bands investment in the consigned artwork which they've probably paid out quite a bit for over the years. Maybe y'all didn't have anything to do with that poster as you've said, but your man Hugo's pic is on it and if he did perform at the club as advertised then it was on him to make sure he was being accurately represented. After seeing that poster Neal was undeniably in the right to say something about it and even pursue action against for infringement if he wanted to against the club and Hugo. The artist whose copywrited work is being obviously infringed could take it up as well.

But Neal or the band or it's management won't probably sue because there is probably nothing to gain, other than a cease and desist order. Financially, since there would be no benefit and probably more expense than it's worth, he took the next best thing....berate the living shit out of em on Facebook. I completely understand.

Good way to stress the point ....cease and desist...like right now! It saves lawyer fees!

[Chubby321]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

[mdaemon]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

You may want to clarify that you went there to see the band and not just Arnel

[Michigan Girl]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

You may want to clarify that you went there to see the band and not just Arnel

LMAO...you two!!
Chubs, I think you are one of the truest AP/Journey fans I know and by that I mean what AP has
done w/Journey !!!

[Chubby321]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

You may want to clarify that you went there to see the band and not just Arnel

Yes, to see the band. I am also a Neal fan.....blown away by his talent.

[Chubby321]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

You may want to clarify that you went there to see the band and not just Arnel

LMAO...you two!!
Chubs, I think you are one of the truest AP/Journey fans I know and by that I mean what AP has
done w/Journey !!!

Thanks MG.

[Ehwmatt]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

And no doubt, so did thousands of screaming fans who instantly stopped screaming when anything that wasn't DSB, Faithfully, Open Arms, and Anyway You Want It was being played. Doesn't make them diehard fans just because they went. You're dedicated in a way, but to sit here and worship a new member who has rode this band's coattails to success while discounting and disrespecting half their back catalogue is more than a little disingenuous, regardless of how many shows you go to or how much money you spend on the band.

Edit: And there's a world of difference between not knowing a "Greatest Hit" song that you should have known as a fan of the band versus a deep cut. There's also a world of difference between being a respectable fan who doesn't know every song in the back catalogue and openly admitting that you won't even give half the old, legendary stuff a chance... To go on calling yourself a fan after admitting that just looks foolish.

[steveo777]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

Chubby, take my hand and let me pull you out of the quicksand, pal.

This too shall pass; stop trying to dig out for today.

[Chubby321]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

Chubby, take my hand and let me pull you out of the quicksand, pal.

This too shall pass; stop trying to dig out for today.

[YoungJRNY]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

And no doubt, so did thousands of screaming fans who instantly stopped screaming when anything that wasn't DSB, Faithfully, Open Arms, and Anyway You Want It was being played. Doesn't make them diehard fans just because they went. You're dedicated in a way, but to sit here and worship a new member who has rode this band's coattails to success while discounting and disrespecting half their back catalogue is more than a little disingenuous, regardless of how many shows you go to or how much money you spend on the band.

I agree. Every concert I went to I had jeering looks when songs like Never Walk Away, Change for the Better, and Wildest Dreams came on, while I was rockin' out hardcore. I turned to this chick next to me and said "I would love for them to bust out Higher Place, Remember Me or Rubicon.. " and she looked at me like I was some kind of pedophile. Casual fans will never get Hardcore fans like us when it comes to the catalog like that. They are there to see the dirty dozen first and foremost. Not taking anything away from Chubby, but without Arnel Pineda, I feel Chubby wouldn't be along for the ride, but there isn't nothing WRONG with that. That's where Journey succeeds in bringing new fans to the fanbase. Point-Journey, and Point-Chubby.

[Ehwmatt]

I just want to clear up one thing....you may not consider me a true fan, but this year alone I attended the following concerts:


Rockford - paid for tix and drove more than 2 1/2 to the venue to, 21/2 hours from
Indiana - paid for tix and drove 6 hours to, 6 hours from
Borgata - paid for 2 days tix + hotel + plane

And no doubt, so did thousands of screaming fans who instantly stopped screaming when anything that wasn't DSB, Faithfully, Open Arms, and Anyway You Want It was being played. Doesn't make them diehard fans just because they went. You're dedicated in a way, but to sit here and worship a new member who has rode this band's coattails to success while discounting and disrespecting half their back catalogue is more than a little disingenuous, regardless of how many shows you go to or how much money you spend on the band.

I agree. Every concert I went to I had jeering looks when songs like Never Walk Away, Change for the Better, and Wildest Dreams came on, while I was rockin' out hardcore. I turned to this chick next to me and said "I would love for them to bust out Higher Place, Remember Me or Rubicon.. " and she looked at me like I was some kind of pedophile. Casual fans will never get Hardcore fans like us when it comes to the catalog like that. They are there to see the dirty dozen first and foremost. Not taking anything away from Chubby, but without Arnel Pineda, I feel Chubby wouldn't be along for the ride, but there isn't nothing WRONG with that. That's where Journey succeeds in bringing new fans to the fanbase. Point-Journey, and Point-Chubby.

Yeah, it's great she (I think?) is on board now, but its jarring to see the Arnel worship juxtaposed with the disrespect for so much great music that this band created in its heyday. As it is now, going by her remarks here, I'm not so sure Chubby would be very different from the people you saw at your concert, just in a different fashion (i.e. knowing the Arnel stuff).

[Aaron]

+1 and correct.

I've always wondered how some KISS tribute bands get away with using the KISS logo plain as day on their stages.

i had a discussion with a few designers after a client asked me to design a logo for them that looked like the kiss logo. apparently, the kiss "logo" that we all recognize is just typed from a font, so you could just type any word with it & not have any legal issues. i'm sure it gets trickier when you actually use the word "kiss" in that font though.

You mean, kind like this? LOL! I took this shot in 2004. Could swear I've seen other KISS tribute bands doing the same, or even using a KISS logo backdrop or light-up display.

That's definitely 100% trademark infringement and any court would find against them, regardless of how easy or difficult the logo is to reproduce. It's just probably not worth dealing with.

correct ....until they are a t hreat

[steveperryfan]

why pick on a tribute band doing nothing wrong now (EVOLUTION - HUGO)

Because maybe you don't see the false advertising aspect of it? You cannot display Journey's name with prominence, while displaying a likeness to the Journey scarab then minimizing the print which indicates that you are a Journey tribute band. Noooooo, nothing wrong with that at all. That's where the beef was born, not the fact that they are a Journey tribute band doing what tribute bands do. So Neal calls them on it and he is out of line? Now that's just whacked.

The point is that EVOLUTION doent not use anything in advertising ,we don't use scarabs, wings or any like it on our website or in posters or live shows... as of may there is no evidence on our website or a show .. you might se an ol pic from now and then ,,,, lokk at our website site, poster and live show ,, you will find nothing ,, we have our own art work posters and stage show ...


we don't even use journey in our website domain
http://www.evolutiontheband.com

now here is our poster what is the problem




so where is the problem , neal may not like to poster from hawaii ,, i understand tha ,, it was wrong ,, but agian it was not EVOLUTION ... i wsth someone would tell neal this and show h im .. in fact i am sure he already know ,, but he is pissed anyway at hugo and takes it out on the rest of the band ...

as you can see our poster has know yellow shirt ,,, this is what we use to promote a show ....

we are just trying to put on a good show the best we can ....some people like and some hate us .. that is just the way it is i guess ,,, you can not please them all .... i love the music of jouorney and this has hurt me alot since all of the trouble since last spring

i guess we are guilty of going the extra mile to put a nice looking show on .... there are alot of other tributes out there , we are not the only one ,, there are alot of other good singers out there to ,, some not all some use logo's from journey video and all that .... we do not ...

a friend of mine was siting next to neal whatching his son play withe west coast evolution band i think as an opener, now neel was not bothered by that .. i hope everyone is starting to see what is going on ...