Name Journey's biggest mistake ever?

[PROPERRY]

Yet, they did of which i'm glad as i still love the band and can't wait for the next new album.

Yea, "unfortunately" the band did replace Steve Perry.

However Steve Perry & his music still lives on in the hearts of the Perry fans forever!!!

[Paul_UK]

Unfortunately for you and a handful of Perry fanatics perhaps, but not for 1000's of other Journey fans that still choose to follow the band and enjoy their new music as well as the classics of old.

[yak]

Journey's biggest mistake was allowing Perry to wrestle control away from Herbie after Street Talk. That led to ROR and all the problems that followed.

Agreed. Another HUGE mistake was waiting so long to replace Perry. Does anybody know for sure if he really had a hip problem?

[aviator0549]

I think Journey's biggest mistake was letting Gregg Rolie quit in 1980-81. Next would be the outfits that Steve Perry and Randy Jackson wore. Ewww.

[Journeynut]

I think Journey's biggest mistake was letting Gregg Rolie quit in 1980-81. Next would be the outfits that Steve Perry and Randy Jackson wore. Ewww.

Ross's outfit on the back of the Evolution album is worse.

[yogi]

If there would of been a way for the band or it's management to NOT allow Steve Perry to have done Street Talk. Once Street Talk hit the stores and MTV it seemed like Steve really didnt need Journey anymore. His star was sooooo bright, the rest of the band went to the back burner. I really believe Street Talk basically ended Journey.

[Marabelle]

I haven't heard Street Talk but if that is the case; then like Steve said and I'm paraphrasing...Neal had made some recordings and so he did it as well. Can't help it if his talent was so darn staggering.

[Journeynut]

If there would of been a way for the band or it's management to NOT allow Steve Perry to have done Street Talk. Once Street Talk hit the stores and MTV it seemed like Steve really didnt need Journey anymore. His star was sooooo bright, the rest of the band went to the back burner. I really believe Street Talk basically ended Journey.

Did you see the BTM directors cut? Herbie told Neal not to do the solo stuff. Perry was not happy Neal was doing solo stuff. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

[yogi]

Neils solo stuff bombed. Argue all you want, but Steve Perry is/ was the straw that stirred the drink. He IS the voice of that group.
The question is " What was Journeys biggest mistake". When Steve was allowed to make Street Talk, with his enormous talent and as good as that record was and how well it was received by the fans and MTV, to me that signaled the end of Journey. At the time he no longer needed them. The rest of the group needed Steve a whole lot more than Steve needed them.

Name one song off of a Neil Schon record?????????????? Name three Steve Perry hits?

Personally, I am glad Journey has moved on, continues to tour, and make new music. I have seen the current rendition 3 times. Great shows! With that said Steve Perry will ALWAYS be the straw that stirred Journey, and the biggest factor that affected that group in my opinion was Steve's recording of Street Talk. After Street Talk, he no longer needed the rest of the band.

[perryfaithful]

Perry is the STRAW that STIRRED the Drink! I love that!


...as for being able to name a Neal Schon tune...was it LIES with Jan Hammer? That would not occur to me if I had not seen the two perform a clip from it on the BTM so many times.

[Guest]

Perry is the STRAW that STIRRED the Drink! I love that!


...as for being able to name a Neal Schon tune...was it LIES with Jan Hammer? That would not occur to me if I had not seen the two perform a clip from it on the BTM so many times.

I agree...and I'm tired of people telling me I'm some Perry fanatic because I appreciate the guy's talents and believe he's better than Augeri...Christ, Augeri believes Perry is the better singer as well.

[Monker]

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I haven't heard Street Talk but if that is the case; then like Steve said and I'm paraphrasing...Neal had made some recordings and so he did it as well. Can't help it if his talent was so darn staggering.
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and, as Neal said, he wasn't doing anything that could be held up and compared to Journey...as "Street Talk" could be, and was. Neal did his fusion stuff with Jan Hammer, he metal stuff with Sammy Hagar. He didn't go off solo and do a pop music album meant to hit the top 40 charts - as Steve Perry did.

If Perry's talent is so staggering, why is it that Street Talk was his ONLY solo album to become a platinum hit? Doesn't seem too staggering to me.

Did you see the BTM directors cut? Herbie told Neal not to do the solo stuff. Perry was not happy Neal was doing solo stuff. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

If that is truly the way Perry felt, what a vengeful, pitiful, childish excuse to drive a wedge into the band.

Neils solo stuff bombed.

Not if you keep things in perspective. The "Schon & Hammer" albums were not meant for the pop charts, but they still had a minor hit with "No More Lies". The HSAS album was released on a spur of the moment deal mastered off of a live concert...How well do you expect that to sell?

Argue all you want, but Steve Perry is/ was the straw that stirred the drink. He IS the voice of that group.

No, Herbie stirred the drink. Perry was like an icecube that had too much dominence and slowly melted away.

The question is " What was Journeys biggest mistake". When Steve was allowed to make Street Talk, with his enormous talent and as good as that record was and how well it was received by the fans and MTV, to me that signaled the end of Journey. At the time he no longer needed them. The rest of the group needed Steve a whole lot more than Steve needed them.

The above is only partialy true.

First of all, the success of "Street Talk" was at least partialy fueled from Journey's success of both Escape and Frontiers. It is a good album, but not that great. Without Journey, Perry struggled...after ST, he never had much success as a solo act. FTLOSM didn't come close to the success of ST, "I Stand Alone" didn't even chart. Without Journey songs, his live show would be about a half hour long! Perry's entire career relied on his success with Journey.

After Journey, Neal and Jonathan went on to Bad English and had plenty of success...including a #1 song with "When I See You Smile". They didn't need Perry, or Journey, to be successful.

Name one song off of a Neil Schon record?????????????? Name three Steve Perry hits?

"No More Lies" from Schon & Hammer
"Softly" from Late Nite
"Whiter Shade of Pale" from HSAS

Perry only had three big hits, "Oh Sherrie", "Foolish Heart" and "You Better Wait". His other solo songs may have charted, but they didn't have much over all impact. Why do you think there is a "+5" on his Greatest Hits package?

[Metal Ed]

1) the entire ROR project.

2) becoming a greatest hits act

3) losing the origanal site of the band

[perryfaithful]

3) losing the origanal site of the band

Hey Ed.....what did you mean by that last one? The website? What?

[Metal Ed]

I should say the vision of the band. Not being driven by hits.

[perryfaithful]

I should say the vision of the band. Not being driven by hits.

Gottcha! Thanks Ed

[LAWoman]

Neils solo stuff bombed. Argue all you want, but Steve Perry is/ was the straw that stirred the drink. He IS the voice of that group.
The question is " What was Journeys biggest mistake". When Steve was allowed to make Street Talk, with his enormous talent and as good as that record was and how well it was received by the fans and MTV, to me that signaled the end of Journey. At the time he no longer needed them. The rest of the group needed Steve a whole lot more than Steve needed them.

Name one song off of a Neil Schon record?????????????? Name three Steve Perry hits?

Personally, I am glad Journey has moved on, continues to tour, and make new music. I have seen the current rendition 3 times. Great shows! With that said Steve Perry will ALWAYS be the straw that stirred Journey, and the biggest factor that affected that group in my opinion was Steve's recording of Street Talk. After Street Talk, he no longer needed the rest of the band.

Well, there was that Grammy nomination for Neal's Voice CD. That was pretty memorable. I can name all the songs off all Neal's solo stuff, but I doubt that's what you mean. The only thing I know Perry did solo was Oh Sherry--and (just my opinion) I didn't care for that song and I didn't care much for Street Talk--but that is all just a matter of opinion and taste.

I don't know what Perry has said about why he did solo stuff, but Neal has repeatedly said he is not doing his solo stuff or his other projects to try to make a hit (whatever that is) but to stretch his wings and do the things different from Journey.

Perry might be some kind of a straw, but Neal is the glass and the vodka in it. I suppose Herbie was the ice.

[perryfaithful]

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Did you take the cruise Barb??

[LAWoman]

No cruise for me. Too pricey and too much time off from work for me.

[Journeynut]

If that is truly the way Perry felt, what a vengeful, pitiful, childish excuse to drive a wedge into the band.

I do not see it as vengeful etc....the guy had success, and wanted more success. So did Neal. At that time he did not know if it would continue or not. He wanted to see how far he could go.

The "Schon & Hammer" albums were not meant for the pop charts, but they still had a minor hit with "No More Lies". The HSAS album was released on a spur of the moment deal mastered off of a live concert...How well do you expect that to sell?

That always cracks me up. they make the album for their creativity. Record companies don't want profits. They hope no one buys them. Right.

Perry only had three big hits, "Oh Sherrie", "Foolish Heart" and "You Better Wait". His other solo songs may have charted, but they didn't have much over all impact. Why do you think there is a "+5" on his Greatest Hits package?

If I turn the radio on right now there is a good chance I will hear the Perry solo songs. Sometimes I hear one every day.

[perryfaithful]

If I turn the radio on right now there is a good chance I will hear the Perry solo songs. Sometimes I hear one every day.

Even twice a day.....or 3....or 4.....

[Monker]

I do not see it as vengeful etc....the guy had success, and wanted more success. So did Neal. At that time he did not know if it would continue or not. He wanted to see how far he could go.

And, that is a COMPLETELY different statement then, "Perry was not happy Neal was doing solo stuff. What is good for the goose is good for the gander."

That always cracks me up. they make the album for their creativity. Record companies don't want profits. They hope no one buys them. Right.

Of course labels want the album to sell. The success of Journey allowed Neal to branch out and do other things and the label knew they would sell a bit simply because of Neal's relationship with Journey. That gave Neal the freedom to do whatever he wanted to do solo. why is that so hard to understand? If there was no success for Journey, Neal and Perry would BOTH have had a hard time releasing solo albums...at least on Columbia.

If I turn the radio on right now there is a good chance I will hear the Perry solo songs. Sometimes I hear one every day.

My point is that you are not going to hear "She's Mine", or "Captured By the Moment" or "Missing You", or "I Stand Alone", or "If Only For the Moment Girl", or the "+5" portion of his GH. If you do, then your station is a renegade because those songs are simply not played.

This guy with the 'staggering talent' who did not 'need Journey' did not even have enough 'hits' to fill up a GH CD. This is like arguing that Augeri is a 'staggering talent' who doesn't need Journey while his Journey songs are not even performed in concert.

[yak]

My point is that you are not going to hear "She's Mine", or "Captured By the Moment" or "Missing You", or "I Stand Alone", or "If Only For the Moment Girl", or the "+5" portion of his GH. If you do, then your station is a renegade because those songs are simply not played.

Stations are not in the habit of playing Perry solo songs. That simply is an untrue statement.

This guy with the 'staggering talent' who did not 'need Journey' did not even have enough 'hits' to fill up a GH CD. This is like arguing that Augeri is a 'staggering talent' who doesn't need Journey while his Journey songs are not even performed in concert.

Yup. Where are all these supposed songs he is always writing and are sitting on a shelf somewhere?

Can anybody say 'redundant?'

[sexxymofo]

there's just something about Steve Perry....

And that comment stands all by itself with no need to argue why he is gone, who's fault it is, YADDA YADDA.

There is just something about him that is irreplaceable!

True that!

[Red13JoePa]

Er...Pst: (whisper) Journey DID replace him.

[NealIsGod]

Er...Pst: (whisper) Journey DID replace him.

True DAT

[Abitaman]

some newbie trying to start trouble?-ERIC

[sexxymofo]

Er...Pst: (whisper) Journey DID replace him.
True DAT

Ha, with a wait...... what did the MEDIA call your replacement... Oh yeah,
a C grade SOUND A LIKE

PERRY OFTEN IMITATED NEVER DUPLICATED![/color]

[color=blue]TRUE THAT


some newbie trying to start trouble?-ERIC

a new to you board, but not new to the STORY!

[Rockindeano]

You know, I thought we made a truce...I gave you the entire perry Board to which you are free to, and I'm sure, destroy.

Why must you come over here and try to do the same?


We get it. We know you HATE the current lineup. We know you hate Steve Augeri. We know the band is shit without Perry. We know Steve perry is GOD..


Andrew, what's it going to take? Seriously. Enough.

Unless you want Me to go ballistic, do some fucking thing.....Please.

If Andrew doesn't, I will. You aren't going to come in here and cut down my band, without a fight. No way.

I am sorry that I apologized to you.

Yes everyone, I PM'ed her, and sincerely apologized.

[jrnyman28]

Ha, with a wait...... what did the MEDIA call your replacement... Oh yeah,
a C grade SOUND A LIKE

PERRY OFTEN IMITATED NEVER DUPLICATED!

And Perry tried to sound like Sam Cooke! So WHAT?
You are right, you cannot say people like Hugo, Steve, Kevin Chalfant, or even Jeremey duplicate Perry. Ya know why? Because they are all still singing...