New Journey C.D.

[Monker]

Journey is GIVING AWAY their CD. What is WRONG with that? This way, they are more likely to get their music heard by their audience. Even plaaying their music live is not the best way to first hear new music. It is a GOOD way, but the sound will be better on CD. There will be no issues with "this store is not carrying it" or "my radio station won't play it". If you want to hear it, you just put it in...if you don't want to hear it, sell it on EBay!

I know you are responding to what Lori said, but they are not 'giving away' the CD. It comes with the ticket. If you read what Neal is saying, you are basicaly buying the CD when you buy the ticket...and they are going to count that as a CD sale.

If they want to 'give away' the CD, they should put it on their webspace for download. They have the potential to reach a LOT more people doing that then they will by handing the CD out at concerts.

In fact, if they don't want the hassle of handling CD orders, just charge $.50 per song for a download. I'd download it and burn my own CD.

[PROPERRY]

Journey is GIVING AWAY their CD. What is WRONG with that? This way, they are more likely to get their music heard by their audience. Even plaaying their music live is not the best way to first hear new music. It is a GOOD way, but the sound will be better on CD. There will be no issues with "this store is not carrying it" or "my radio station won't play it". If you want to hear it, you just put it in...if you don't want to hear it, sell it on EBay!

The concerts I attended of Perry/Journey were absolutely FANTASTIC live! Infact wasn't the "Captured" Cd live, and that Cd sounds Really GREAT to me!

It kind of seems like Journey has lost their confidence on this new music, so rather than let the fans decide, whether they like the new music or not, they go for the "sure thing", and include the Cd in the ticket price.
Just my opinion.


Lori

[heardonthestreet]

I know that a lot of people don't care for the GH Live c.d. but I do. Open Arms sounds so much better as does Send Her My Love. Someone mentioned a lot of mistakes in it but you'd expect that from a live performance tho I wasn't aware of any. Someone's always borrowing mine so I've given a few as gifts.Any Classic Journey c.d. is a great gift for any occasion.

[Hippie]

Monker wrote

And, I STILL feel that way for the VERY SAME REASONS. I don't believe Journey is most important to Neal any longer. I am NOT confident that Journey will have an album out in time for a summer tour. I think many fans are assuming many things.

Don't know if I agree with that. I think things like Soul Sirkus, Hardline, the solos, etc. are just side diversions for Schon. That's why World Play was done so quickly. Piranha Blues was also hastily done. I think Schon does the side projects strictly for fun, but spends more time on Journey. That's why it's taken longer for new Journey IMO.

[Monker]

Monker wrote

And, I STILL feel that way for the VERY SAME REASONS. I don't believe Journey is most important to Neal any longer. I am NOT confident that Journey will have an album out in time for a summer tour. I think many fans are assuming many things.

Don't know if I agree with that. I think things like Soul Sirkus, Hardline, the solos, etc. are just side diversions for Schon. That's why World Play was done so quickly. Piranha Blues was also hastily done. I think Schon does the side projects strictly for fun, but spends more time on Journey. That's why it's taken longer for new Journey IMO.

Hardline was absolutely NOT a 'diversion' for Neal. I have it on tape somewhere where Neal goes on and on about how Hardline is a band about ready to explode onto the scene. He was so enthused about the band that he didn't even want to talk about a Journey reunion.

How could Hardline be a diversion from Journey when Journey did not even exist at that time? When Hardline turned down the contract for the second album, Neal went into Abraxas Pool - not Journey.

IMO, Soul Sirkus has this same enthusiasm. Except this time Journey exists...but Journey doesn't get that "we are about ready to bust out onto the scene..." enthusiasm any longer. Journey pays the bill but it sure does not seem to excite Neal any longer.

I would agree that his solo albums, HSAS, Schon & Hammer, and Piranha Blues are 'diversions', but not Hardline or Soul Sirkus. They are attempts to 'make it big' in the rock world again.

[PROPERRY]

I know that a lot of people don't care for the GH Live c.d. but I do. Open Arms sounds so much better as does Send Her My Love. Someone mentioned a lot of mistakes in it but you'd expect that from a live performance tho I wasn't aware of any. Someone's always borrowing mine so I've given a few as gifts.Any Classic Journey c.d. is a great gift for any occasion.

Yea HOTS, I sure never noticed any mistakes either at the concerts I attended of Classic Journey. I just remember having such a WONDERFUL time, and it sure seemed the whole audience was enjoying the concert too, because everyone was UP on their FEET singing & clapping right along with Journey!

My daughter would hear me listening to my classic Journey cd and then started asking me to borrow mine, so I bought her own cd's of classic Journey & Perry's solo music too. She listens to them all the time.

When her radio is on in her room & classic Journey plays, she will come runing out of her room to share with me that Perry is singing on the radio.

And when we are driving down the road, she will flip through the stations to find a good song, she will hear a song of classic Journey & immediately start singing to the music.

I sure hope classic Journey cd's & DVD's are still made available for the fans to KEEP buying, because that music is SO spectacular!!!!!


Lori

[Rockindeano]

Journey is GIVING AWAY their CD. What is WRONG with that? This way, they are more likely to get their music heard by their audience. Even plaaying their music live is not the best way to first hear new music. It is a GOOD way, but the sound will be better on CD. There will be no issues with "this store is not carrying it" or "my radio station won't play it". If you want to hear it, you just put it in...if you don't want to hear it, sell it on EBay!

The concerts I attended of Perry/Journey were absolutely FANTASTIC live! Infact wasn't the "Captured" Cd live, and that Cd sounds Really GREAT to me!

It kind of seems like Journey has lost their confidence on this new music, so rather than let the fans decide, whether they like the new music or not, they go for the "sure thing", and include the Cd in the ticket price.
Just my opinion.


Lori

What? The GH LIve CD blows. The music is top notch and EVERYONE sounds good, but the crowd is minimal at best. Captured was the best live CD I have heard and I am bummed the GH Live wasn't better recorded.

Uh, Journey hasn't lost confidence in the new music. Look around. See any rock acts in the top 20? Nope. It's all about rap and poppy crap. Journey is a victim of their own genre, as is a lot of others too. Arrival was MUCH better written and performed than ROR or TBF...TBF sucked, as did ROR(minus 3 tunes). Oh that was Perry's big attitude blow up, where he fired 2 members and wrote the album with a drum machine.

[PROPERRY]

Journey is GIVING AWAY their CD. What is WRONG with that? This way, they are more likely to get their music heard by their audience. Even plaaying their music live is not the best way to first hear new music. It is a GOOD way, but the sound will be better on CD. There will be no issues with "this store is not carrying it" or "my radio station won't play it". If you want to hear it, you just put it in...if you don't want to hear it, sell it on EBay!

The concerts I attended of Perry/Journey were absolutely FANTASTIC live! Infact wasn't the "Captured" Cd live, and that Cd sounds Really GREAT to me!

It kind of seems like Journey has lost their confidence on this new music, so rather than let the fans decide, whether they like the new music or not, they go for the "sure thing", and include the Cd in the ticket price.
Just my opinion.


Lori

What? The GH LIve CD blows. The music is top notch and EVERYONE sounds good, but the crowd is minimal at best. Captured was the best live CD I have heard and I am bummed the GH Live wasn't better recorded.

Uh, Journey hasn't lost confidence in the new music. Look around. See any rock acts in the top 20? Nope. It's all about rap and poppy crap. Journey is a victim of their own genre, as is a lot of others too. Arrival was MUCH better written and performed than ROR or TBF...TBF sucked, as did ROR(minus 3 tunes). Oh that was Perry's big attitude blow up, where he fired 2 members and wrote the album with a drum machine.

Rock'ndeano,

You need to stay on topic here! We are discussing the MUSIC, NOT whatever happened between the band members, but you'll probaly blame this "silly little out burst of yours" on your medication your taking.

Lori

[Rockindeano]

Rock'ndeano,

You need to stay on topic here! We are discussing the MUSIC, NOT whatever happened between the band members, but you'll probaly blame this "silly little out burst of yours" on your medication your taking.

Lori[/quote]


Lori, suck my ass. I do not need an excuse. I have an open mind and speak the truth. What you do not understand(because you are so blinded by whatever), is a person becomes controversial when he/she speaks the open truth. I will stay on topic. Look, I think Steve perry never sounded better than he did on Captured, and I thought he sounded good on GH Live, but the recording was so mixed and fixed it was silly. As for you telling what I can blame my comments on, I don't really give a shit what you think.

By the way, you are the one who brought up Captured and GH Live..so that becomes part of "The Topic."

[PROPERRY]

Rock'ndeano,

You need to stay on topic here! We are discussing the MUSIC, NOT whatever happened between the band members, but you'll probaly blame this "silly little out burst of yours" on your medication your taking.

Lori

Lori, suck my ass. I do not need an excuse. I have an open mind and speak the truth. What you do not understand(because you are so blinded by whatever), is a person becomes controversial when he/she speaks the open truth. I will stay on topic. Look, I think Steve perry never sounded better than he did on Captured, and I thought he sounded good on GH Live, but the recording was so mixed and fixed it was silly. As for you telling what I can blame my comments on, I don't really give a shit what you think.

By the way, you are the one who brought up Captured and GH Live..so that becomes part of "The Topic."[/quote]



I was ONLY referring to your statement of, "Oh that was Perry's big attitude blow up, where he fired the members ...etc, etc"

That comment you made above had absolutely nothing to do with the topic (MUSIC) that we were talking about.

I was NOT referring to your comments about the GH Live cd or the Captured cd.

Lori

[mnmsjrny]

Then, what if I go to two or more shows. Why would I want a CD at EVERY show?

1 for home
1 for the car
1 for the office
1 for a friend....

Yeah, okay, owning 4-5 copies of the same CD is a bit ridiculous, but I do think this IS the best way to get new material in to the hands of their fans.

I *do* share your concerns about whether or not it will be ready in time for the tour. Since I'm guessing the Journey tour won't start until mid-June at the absolute earliest, they've got 3 months to finish recording and get everything packaged and ready to go. The way things move in Journey land, that's not a whole lot of time...

[jrnyman28]

I know you are responding to what Lori said, but they are not 'giving away' the CD. It comes with the ticket. If you read what Neal is saying, you are basicaly buying the CD when you buy the ticket...and they are going to count that as a CD sale.

No, they are giving the CD away with the purchase of a ticket. And it will not "count" as a CD sale unless the band fork over 50% of the 'earnings'.

If they want to 'give away' the CD, they should put it on their webspace for download. They have the potential to reach a LOT more people doing that then they will by handing the CD out at concerts.

In fact, if they don't want the hassle of handling CD orders, just charge $.50 per song for a download. I'd download it and burn my own CD.

I wouldn't be surprised if it IS offered for download at some point...they did with RED13.

[jrnyman28]

The concerts I attended of Perry/Journey were absolutely FANTASTIC live! Infact wasn't the "Captured" Cd live, and that Cd sounds Really GREAT to me!

They were still mixed in the studio. There are fixes on Captured, they are just not as glaring as the ones on GHL. At least Captured spliced together all the good performances, unlike GHL which used some sub-par perfomances.

It kind of seems like Journey has lost their confidence on this new music, so rather than let the fans decide, whether they like the new music or not, they go for the "sure thing", and include the Cd in the ticket price.
Just my opinion.


Lori

I don't see that at all. I think they are taking a good idea from Prince and using it to reach more fans. Journey is making sure their music gets heard...unlike what Sony did with Arrival!

[Monker]

No, they are giving the CD away with the purchase of a ticket. And it will not "count" as a CD sale unless the band fork over 50% of the 'earnings'.

Read Neal's interview again. He specificaly says that this new CD will go gold and then platinum because that is how many people they will perform to this year.

True, they have to pay Billboard for it to CHART....but that is not the same organization as the RIAA who awards gold and platinum albums. If Neal truly wants to go gold and platinum, then those CD's have to count as sales.

I wouldn't be surprised if it IS offered for download at some point...they did with RED13.

Also true...But, again, if the intention is to give the music away and expose their audience to it, then exposing it to the tens of millions on the internet FAR outweights the hundreds of thousands they will perform to in concert. So, their priorities, IMO, are a bit mixed up.

[Monker]

Yea HOTS, I sure never noticed any mistakes either at the concerts I attended of Classic Journey.

That's funny. All you have to do is listen to the "Bill Graham Tribute" to hear Perry mess up the words to Faithfully....his last performance with Journey.

[Monker]

I *do* share your concerns about whether or not it will be ready in time for the tour. Since I'm guessing the Journey tour won't start until mid-June at the absolute earliest, they've got 3 months to finish recording and get everything packaged and ready to go. The way things move in Journey land, that's not a whole lot of time...

IMO, it's a bit silly to expect this CD to be ready for release in three months. The packaging alone will probably take three months to finalize and print...we all should know that from Red 13. It sounds to me that they have not even finished WRITING the album. They still have to record it. Then they have to mix it. Then they have to have it mastered. Then they have to have it burned and the packaging printed. IMO, they will be lucky to get it out in six months....if they want it to be of a higher quality then Red 13. I think we are looking at September/October for a release.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, they are giving the CD away with the purchase of a ticket. And it will not "count" as a CD sale unless the band fork over 50% of the 'earnings'.

Read Neal's interview again. He specificaly says that this new CD will go gold and then platinum because that is how many people they will perform to this year.

True, they have to pay Billboard for it to CHART....but that is not the same organization as the RIAA who awards gold and platinum albums. If Neal truly wants to go gold and platinum, then those CD's have to count as sales.

I wouldn't be surprised if it IS offered for download at some point...they did with RED13.

Also true...But, again, if the intention is to give the music away and expose their audience to it, then exposing it to the tens of millions on the internet FAR outweights the hundreds of thousands they will perform to in concert. So, their priorities, IMO, are a bit mixed up.

Not everyone has a high speed connection, dude.
Not everyone can leave their internet provider on all day long to download 12 tracks.

[PROPERRY]

Yea HOTS, I sure never noticed any mistakes either at the concerts I attended of Classic Journey.

That's funny. All you have to do is listen to the "Bill Graham Tribute" to hear Perry mess up the words to Faithfully....his last performance with Journey.

Monker,

Why would I care if Perry messed up some words on a song at a concert that I had NOT even attended?

The concerts that I attended, Perry's performance was FANTASTIC!!! I had a wonderful time!!!

Evidently I wasn't the only one in the audience who felt that way because , every time Perry/Journey came to to the city where I used to live, " they sold out multiple shows!"

And besides with the kind of EXCEPTIONAL talent that Perry has, even if he had made some mistakes, I would still feel the SAME way about HIS talent & music!!!!

There is absolutely nothing anyone can say or do to make me feel differntly towards my favorite singer!!!

Lori

[perryfaithful]

True, they have to pay Billboard for it to CHART....but that is not the same organization as the RIAA who awards gold and platinum albums. .

Am I understanding this right?! By paying billboard the "give aways" at concerts will count on the charts? But not help in certifying sales for gold, platinum etc?? Different organiztion.

[Rockindeano]

Am I understanding this right?! By paying billboard the "give aways" at concerts will count on the charts? But not help in certifying sales for gold, platinum etc?? Different organiztion.[/quote]


No, you are half right, half wrong. By paying Billboard, the band will be "recognized, and chart" whereas sales are concerned, the CD giveaways WILL count towards platinum status. Like Neal said," I don't give a fuck about charting."

The question is, the band will probably go platinum, because they csan keep touring until they reach the millionth fan, but without in store sales too, they are in fact limited....

[heardonthestreet]

Oh what the heck! The Arrival and Red 13 coasters have probably worn out by now anyway.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh what the heck! The Arrival and Red 13 coasters have probably worn out by now anyway.

The new album isn't even out yet and already you are going out of your way to paint it as some second-rate product not fit for consumer listening pleasure.

But of course, you girlies claim to be here only to innocously express your support for Perry and to celebrate the Perry years, right?

BULLSHIT.

You hate mongers need to get a life.

[heardonthestreet]

Your right N.C. The coaster remark was way off the mark. Sorry.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Your right N.C. The coaster remark was way off the mark. Sorry.

I don't want to stifle anyone's right to express a well founded opinion here, but hell, the cd's not even out yet. If news broke that Perry was releasing a new album, I wouldn't critique it until I actually gave it a fair shake and heard it.
If, when the Freedom record comes out, you find it to be total crap, then by all means let loose and call it crap and we'll debate that (contingent upon me actually liking it, that is)...in the meantime, let's debate the merits (or lack of) albums that are actually in existance and not only far away, still in the making.

[jrnyman28]

IMO, it's a bit silly to expect this CD to be ready for release in three months. The packaging alone will probably take three months to finalize and print...we all should know that from Red 13.

If the band is not listing song titles on the CD then the packaging could have been worked on already.

It sounds to me that they have not even finished WRITING the album.

I got the impression that the songs ARE written and that the band are rehearsing the tracks for the 1st two weeks of March. Hmmmm, does that mean they are into the recording phase right now?

They still have to record it. Then they have to mix it. Then they have to have it mastered.

Recording could take a couple weeks...end of March? Mixing and mastering? I have NO idea, but could a month be enough time?

Then they have to have it burned and the packaging printed.

Packaging could easily be printed WHILE alot of the other steps are occurring. Burning the product? Again, I don't know...but a couple weeks still puts us in the middle of May. Possible.

IMO, they will be lucky to get it out in six months....if they want it to be of a higher quality then Red 13. I think we are looking at September/October for a release.

All that being said, I also believe it is going to be a little difficult to be ready for the tour. But the guys sound very committed to this so I am sure they are striving to achieve this.

[jrnyman28]

Monker,

Why would I care if Perry messed up some words on a song at a concert that I had NOT even attended?

It's just a point that he is human, just like the others...they all have had nights that are not perfect. If you are implying/comparing/criticizing Perry with the others than you have to do it equally.

The concerts that I attended, Perry's performance was FANTASTIC!!! I had a wonderful time!!! ...........
And besides with the kind of EXCEPTIONAL talent that Perry has, even if he had made some mistakes, I would still feel the SAME way about HIS talent & music!!!! ................There is absolutely nothing anyone can say or do to make me feel differntly towards my favorite singer!!!

These go together and explain a lot. You are blinded by adoration for Perry. You will NEVER notice or concede 'mistakes' on Perry's part. I agree that the shows with Perry were awesome! I feel the same way about current Journey concerts. However, since I am realistic, I can admit to finding faults in Journey's performances. Most of the faults have been either: A0 Poor sound mixing; or B) Steve's timid behaviour in the early tours; or C) Steve trying too hard to sing like Perry instead of himself. Now TWO of these problems seem to have been 'fixed'. I don't know about the sound yet.

Evidently I wasn't the only one in the audience who felt that way because , every time Perry/Journey came to to the city where I used to live, " they sold out multiple shows!"

Different circumstances. But you cannot argue that Journey's fanbase and concert audience has grown with the years of touring. (Much like the growth in audience size due to the years of touring BEFORE "the 80's".

[jrnyman28]

No, you are half right, half wrong. By paying Billboard, the band will be "recognized, and chart" whereas sales are concerned, the CD giveaways WILL count towards platinum status. Like Neal said," I don't give a fuck about charting."

The question is, the band will probably go platinum, because they csan keep touring until they reach the millionth fan, but without in store sales too, they are in fact limited....

I got the impression that Neal meant "going platinum" as 'we will be the equivalent as platinum because we will reach a million fans on this tour'...not ACTUALLY going platinum. I felt it meant there will be NO award and NO chart for the cd based on concert giveaways.