Journey's Lousy Venue Selection so far.

[JourneyTroll]

They play the casinos for the sole purpose of a larger take for them.

You do not know that. You are guessing. I have watched your posts evolve from asking if Journey gets a larger take, to now announcing it as fact.

They get a larger take by playing at the dirty gambling houses.

Journey fans want to see Journey at concert venues and not at obscure fan un-friendly places.

Yet Journey seems to do rather well at these venues. If they didn't, they wouldn't return to them. The fans want to see Journey LIVE, wherever they can.

No, Dave. Journey has provided their dwindling fan base with a take-it-or-leave-it option. Journey has conceded that they cannot fill out the MSG's or Nissan Pavilion's anymore.

I even heard of a Grizzly Bear jumping on stage at a camp ground show because he loved Steve Augeri's perfume.

This is the 'truth' you speak!

You heard about it too, Dave! Maybe it was a Back Talker.

Concert venues are the safe and ideal way of attending a rock concert for a successful band.

Journeytroll

Now you are implying that the casino venues are NOT SAFE? And you are implying that they are not properly equipped to sound good? JSS wrote in his diary that one of the reasons more intimate settings are great to play is the fact that it is easier to get the sound 'right'. The bigger the venue, the more challenging it is to have true sound quality. The sound bounces of walls differently. If it is outside the sound is not contained. Challenges...

Yes, they aren't safe. The casino lures you in with a lower ticket price but preys on you by trying to get you to gamble. Plus, you can hear the slot machines, noisy people, drunkards, riff raff making noise during the concert.

All in all, the concert venues are the best!

Journeytroll

[JourneyTroll]

Journey should be available to everyone that wants to see them.

I think that is WHY you see them play these locations. It makes it easier for the fans in rural areas see Journey. They can play more shows in more areas and reach more fans with less risk of 'not selling out' a larger venue.

If the band is good enough, the people will buy the tickets. A rural area is not a good place for a concert.

The bullying tactics during the promotion of Red 13 failed and helped contribute towards Journey not getting any airplay on the radio.

Journeytroll

What bullying tactics? RED13 was never intended for airplay. But it did get some in Journey-friendly markets.

Journey wanted to do everything "their way" during Red 13. Well, the EP failed miserably. They deliberately created two EP covers to get the same people to buy it twice.

Journeytroll

[JourneyTroll]

Yes, Journey is struggling to survive with a greatest hits tour offering year after year.

I do not see them "struggling". They are obviously doing well enough to keep doing it.

Dave, with less effectiveness. The venues are getting smaller, they have to rely on some Santana songs, the predictable setlists, and the poor venue locations make Journey a struggling band.

Yes, Journey enjoys playing casinos, fairs, and camp grounds instead of at easy to reach concert venues. The promoters should be fired for their horrible selections.

But they also play the "concert venues" you refer to. That is when Journey is a part of a 'package' like the Main Event Tour or the Arrival Tour.

That was then, this is now. I am not going to a gambling place such as Buffalo Chip.

Thankfully, important bands such as U2 still play at the best concert venues throughout the world instead of at obscure, dirty, and silly sounding places

Too bad they can't put out any music that sounds NEW> HTDAAB is nothing more thean a weak remake of Achtung Baby!

No, way Dave. HTDAAB sounds like their earlier stuff. I like Auchtung Baby.

Here's U2 WORLD TOUR SCHEDULE. Look at all the real concert venue places they are touring compared to Buffalo Chip Casino Hall Journey. Look at the European leg of the tour. Tired face Journey can't play there.

// NORTH AMERICA DATES
(Kings of Leon will play support on all dates)


March 28th San Diego, CA - Sports Arena, Sold Out
March 30th San Diego, CA - Sports Arena, Sold Out

April 1st Anaheim, CA - Arrowhead Pond, Sold Out
April 2nd Anaheim, CA - Arrowhead Pond, Sold Out
April 5th Los Angeles, CA - Staples Center, Sold Out
April 6th Los Angeles, CA - Staples Center, Sold Out
April 9th San Jose, CA - HP Pavilion, Sold Out
April 10th San Jose, CA - HP Pavilion, Sold Out
April 14th Phoenix, AZ - Glendale Arena , Sold Out
April 15th Phoenix, AZ - Glendale Arena , Sold Out
April 20th Denver, CO - Pepsi Center, Sold Out
April 21st Denver, CO - Pepsi Center, Sold Out
April 24th Seattle, WA - Key Arena , Sold Out
April 25th Seattle, WA - Key Arena , Sold Out
April 28th Vancouver, BC - General Motors Place, Sold Out
April 29th Vancouver, BC - General Motors Place, Sold Out

May 7th & May 9th Chicago, IL - United Center, Sold Out
May 10th Chicago, IL - United Center, Sold Out
May 12th Chicago, IL - United Center, Sold Out
May 14th Philadelphia, PA - Wachovia Center , Sold Out
May 22nd Philadelphia, PA - Wachovia Center , Sold Out
May 17 & May 18 East Rutherford, NJ - Continental Airlines Arena, Sold Out
May 21 New York, NY - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
May 24 Boston, MA - Fleet Center, Sold Out
May 26 Boston, MA - Fleet Center, Sold Out
May 28 Boston, MA - Fleet Center, Sold Out

// EUROPEAN DATES
(support acts noted where announced)

June 10th Brussels - King Baudouin Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Snow Patrol
June 12th Gelsenkirchen - Schalke Stadium
Support Act: Feeder
June 14th Manchester - City of Manchester Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Snow Patrol
June 15th Manchester ­ City of Manchester Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Athlete
June 18th London - Twickenham Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Athlete
June 19th London - Twickenham Stadium, Sold Out
June 21st Glasgow - Hampden Park, Sold Out
Support Act: Interpol
June 24th Dublin - Croke Park, Sold Out
Support Act: Paddy Casey, Snow Patrol
June 25th Dublin - Croke Park, Sold Out
June 29th Cardiff - Millenium Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: The Killers
2nd July Vienna - Ernst Happel Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: The Kaiser Chiefs / The Killers
5th July Katowice - Slaski Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: The Killers
7th July Berlin - Olympic Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: The Kaiser Chiefs / Snow Patrol
9th July Paris - Stade de France, Sold Out
Support Act: Snow Patrol
10th July Paris ­ Stade de France, Sold Out
Support Act: Snow Patrol
13th July Amsterdam – Arena, Sold Out
Support Act: The Kaiser Chiefs / The Killers
15th July Amsterdam – Arena, Sold Out
Support Act: Snow Patrol
16th July Amsterdam – Arena, Sold Out
Support Act: Athlete/Snow Patrol
18th July Zurich – Letzigrund Stadium
21st July Milan - San Siro, Sold Out
23rd July Rome - Olympic Stadium, Sold Out
27th July Oslo - Vallehovin Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Razorlight/Paddy Casey
29th July Gothenburg - Ullevi Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Razorlight
31st July Copenhagen - Parken , Sold Out
Support Act: Razorlight
3rd August Munich - Olympic Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Keane
5th August Nice - Parc des Sports Charles Ehrmann, Sold Out
Support Act: Keane
7th August Barcelona – Camp Nou, Sold Out
Support Act: Keane
9th August San Sebastian - Anoeta Stadium, Sold Out
Support Act: Franz Ferdinand
11th August Madrid - Estadio Vicente Calderon, Sold Out
Support Act: Franz Ferdinand
14th August Lisbon - Alvalade, Sold Out
Support Act: Keane

NORTH AMERICAN FALL TOUR DATES
12th September Toronto - Air Canada Centre, Sold Out
14th September Toronto - Air Canada Centre, Sold Out
16th September Toronto - Air Canada Centre, Sold Out
17th September Toronto - Air Canada Centre, Sold Out
20th September Chicago - United Center, Sold Out
21st September Chicago - United Center, Sold Out
23rd September Minneapolis - Target Center, Sold Out
25th September Milwaukee - Bradley Center, Sold Out
03rd October Boston - Fleet Center, Sold Out
04th October Boston - Fleet Center, Sold Out
07th October New York - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
08th October New York - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
10th October New York - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
11th October New York - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
14th October New York - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
16th October Philadelphia - Wachovia Center, Sold Out
17th October Philadelphia - Wachovia Center, Sold Out
19th October Washington - DC MCI Center, Sold Out
20th October Washington - DC MCI Center, Sold Out
22nd October Pittsburgh - Mellon Arena, Sold Out
24th October Detroit - Palace of Auburn Hills
25th October Detroit - Palace of Auburn Hills
28th October Houston - Toyota Center, Sold Out
29th October Dallas - American Airlines Center, Sold Out
01st November Los Angeles - Staples Center, Sold Out
02nd November Los Angeles - Staples Center, Sold Out
04th November Las Vegas - MGM Grand
05th November Las Vegas - MGM Grand
08th November San Francisco - Oakland Arena
09th November San Francisco - Oakland Arena
13th November Miami - American Airlines Arena, Sold Out
14th November Miami - American Airlines Arena, Sold Out
16th November Tampa - St. Pete Times Forum, Sold Out
18th November Atlanta - Philips Arena, Sold Out
19th November Atlanta - Philips Arena, Sold Out
21st November, New York - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
22nd November, New York - Madison Square Garden, Sold Out
25th November Ottawa - Corel Centre, Sold Out
26th November Montreal - Bell Centre, Sold Out
27th November Montreal - Bell Centre, Sold Out
04th December, Boston, TD Banknorth Garden, Sold Out
05th December, Boston, TD Banknorth Garden, Sold Out
07th December Hartford - Civic Center, Sold Out
09th December Buffalo - HSBC Arena
10th December Cleveland - Gund Arena, Sold Out
14th December St. Louis - Savvis Center
15th December Omaha - Qwest Center, Sold Out
17th December Salt Lake City - Delta Center, Sold Out
19th December Portland - Rose Garden, Sold Out

JourrneyTroll"]If Journey is going to make the same mistakes year after year, then people should voice their displeasure again.

Journeytroll

The only mistake I have seen Journey make year after year is not featuring more Augeri-era material. But they change the setlist each tour, they feature different 'rarities', they have shown their versatility with everyone singing. But every other tour Journey goes from bigger cities and venues, to the more rural ones. It is a pattern they have been following for SEVEN years now.[/quote]

Journey should only play Steve Augeri material and disclose this to the public. Then, the country fairs, car washes, church bingo nights, and casino circuit would be appropriate.

Journeytroll

[JourneyTroll]

I seem to remember this same stale argument coming up last year--and other years, blah, blah, ad nauseum. I understand that some people must be very frustrated at Journey's staying power and continued ability to sell tickets. So complain all you want. The people buying the tickets that sell out the venues are not complaining. The promoters don't seem to be complaining. It's just the people who seem to come here for the sole purpose of complaining who are complaining--once again. I am shocked. Must be hard to be so negative consistently.

This is a discussion board. People can discuss Journey without the fear of being banned unlike the sugar-coated other message board. Yes, Journey is struggling to survive with a greatest hits tour offering year after year. Yes, Journey enjoys playing casinos, fairs, and camp grounds instead of at easy to reach concert venues. The promoters should be fired for their horrible selections. Thankfully, important bands such as U2 still play at the best concert venues throughout the world instead of at obscure, dirty, and silly sounding places such as:

7/15 Moondance Jam Walker, MN On Sale Now
7/22 Lake Afton Park Goddard, KS TBA
8/2 Universal Lending Pavilion Denver, CO TBA
8/9 Buffalo Chip Sturgis, SD TBA
8/10 Sioux Empire Fairground Sioux Falls, SD TBA
9/7 Wolf Trap Washington, D.C. 4/23/05

Buffalo Chip? Sioux Empire Fairground? Wolf Trap? Sound like crummy places to see a rock concert to me. Can I attend the concert in a canoe, or while rock climbing?

If Journey is going to make the same mistakes year after year, then people should voice their displeasure again.

Journeytroll

I hate to break it to you, but thousands of people go to these venues. Journey is not "struggling to survive" as they tour every year and have absolutely no problems selling the seats. If you had actually gone to any of the Journey shows lately you would know that prime seats are difficult to get. Brokers would not be charging the prices they do if nobody wanted to go to these shows.

Since the full tour has not even been announced yet, the only one of the listed venues I have been to is Wolf Trap. It is in Virginia, not D.C. It is great venue, btw, and some great shows play there. Be as negative as you want, Troll, but if you are not even going, why do you care so much? You are judging venues only by their name? How about we judge you by your name? Silly troll.

Actually Troll, LAW is right on Wolf Trap. Don't let the WOLF in Wolf trap scare you like the SH%$ in Buffalo Chips Campground. Wolf Trap is considered a pretty classy place by the Washington Crowd (which I was one of)

Now the Casinos are another story in my opinion. I have seen Journey at one of them and it made me sad....real sad to be there. The antics with the high rollers in the good seats got on my nerves among other things. They could have given a crap about Journey.

Hi Perryfaithfull. I'm sure some of the casinos are ok. However, the "Casino" selection cheapens Journey in my opinion. The high rollers ruin the concert for any fan. Plus, Journey should be man enough to play at concert venues.
I heard the Buffalo Chips place is loaded with manure inside and outside of the venue.

Journeytroll

[PROPERRY]

5. Steve Augeri's voice gets weaker and weaker after every tour.

As a collector of concert bootlegs, who currently has in his possesion multiple live Journey tracks featuring Augeri ranging from '98 up to 2004, I can unequivocally repudiate that as a lie. If anything, he has gotten stronger.

Well I don't understand that if Augeri's voice has gotten stronger, then why is it that EVERYONE will be singing on this new Journey cd???

Why not let Augeri show his improved voice & talent, after all, he was hired to be lead singer for Journey, so don't you think NOW would be a good time to let the fans hear his IMPROVED VOICE???

I also read that Deen & Ross are joining another band to be lead singers. I thought the reason Deen quit SS band was because he was ill & NEEDING to spend more time with his family??? HMMMMMMM?????

It seems like the members of Journey are moving in all different directions & have "lost focus" of Journey's direction.

Lori

[JourneyTroll]

5. Steve Augeri's voice gets weaker and weaker after every tour.

As a collector of concert bootlegs, who currently has in his possesion multiple live Journey tracks featuring Augeri ranging from '98 up to 2004, I can unequivocally repudiate that as a lie. If anything, he has gotten stronger.

Noblecause. Boot legs are illegal. Shame on you. Steve Augeri's voice can hardly be heard at concerts anymore. He sounds like he is talking through a pillow. The mixing is horrible at a Journey concert.

It's time for Neal and Jon to beg Steve Perry to bring Journey back to the limelight

Journeytroll

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well I don't understand that if Augeri's voice has gotten stronger, then why is it that EVERYONE will be singing on this new Journey cd???
Why not let Augeri show his improved voice & talent, after all, he was hired to be lead singer for Journey, so don't you think NOW would be a good time to let the fans hear his IMPROVED VOICE???

NO, I think NOW would be a good time for Journey to do whatever the hell it wants to do, and to be a band just like in the old days. Remember back then? When they used to have more than one lead vocalist and weren't playing disposable bubble gum pop trash you would hear in the mall?

Besides, your point is moot; Steve Augeri is still carrying the brunt of the lead vocal duties on the tours and on this album. Sorry.

I also read that Deen & Ross are joining another band to be lead singers. I thought the reason Deen quit SS band was because he was ill & NEEDING to spend more time with his family??? HMMMMMMM?????

Deen left SS due to fatigue. While yes, he will be singing lead on a side project featuring fomer Journeyman George Tickner and current bassist, Ross Valory, I sincerly doubt the group will be going on an daunting intense world tour as Soul Sirkus is current doing. The touring is what would have foreseeably taken Deen away from his family, sitting in the hive with George and Ross will not.

It seems like the members of Journey are moving in all different directions & have "lost focus" of Journey's direction.

Quit yer damn hyperbolizing.
Neal is on the road and the rest of the guys are in San. Fran. putting the finsihing touches on the new album being produced by Journey-producer extraordinaire, Kevin Elson.
The focus of the band is perfectly clear; to write as a band, and to keep touring and playing for their fans.
Is that so hard to grasp?

Or as Neal said most recently in his brand new classicrockrevisited.com interview;
"We just made a great CD and I’m really very much looking forward to the new tour this year. It’s going to be An Evening with Journey where we play everything from our first Journey record ever, pre-Steve Perry, On Through Time and we are going to play our new CD as well. So things are looking up for us, we’re doing very well and I think we just made probably one of the strongest records in our history."

Pro-Perry, u will bitch no matter what this band does as long as your idol isn't in the band.
Boo Hoo!
The constant sniveling from these bereft 40 year old + housewives makes me downright sick!
Grow the fuck up!

[LAWoman]

Oh, pardon me, Troll, it is your assertions that are silly, not you, right? You can believe whatever you want. Trying to compare Journey to U2 is ridiculous. U2 sells out arenas in minutes. There are only a handful of bands in that same league--the Rolling Stones, whatever band Paul McCartney wants to have, etc, but that is not the other 99.9% of bands. According to the one and only Bono at the R&R Hall of Fame induction, he said U2's major works could never be made in today's music scene. Fortunately U2 can do what they want because they are fabulously wealthy at this point and not at the mercy of anyone. I also recall Bono complaining about a tour of theirs that actually lost money because their show was so expensive to put on. So you think no one should bother touring if they are not in U2's position? That's a silly argument.

In the end, what you believe regarding the venues Journey plays makes not one tiny bit of difference. Bands have bookers who book the venues and they are normally not even involved in the process. That's up to the management and it is no doubt a complicated process of figuring out when a band is available and could be in the area of a venue that is available. I am betting Perry fans would love him to play even one of the venues Journey is playing just to hear him sing. I am glad Journey is touring. Nothing lasts forever. Once again--I don't hear the people who are actually buying tickets complaining--it's just you and you don't plan to go to a show. So go to your U2 concert and have fun. Or do you just enjoy seeing the negative side of everything?

[jrnyjetster]

Ya know what, this place is getting fucking ridiculous...TROLL, you're just being a PRICK, plain and simple!

[jrnyman28]

Well I don't understand that if Augeri's voice has gotten stronger, then why is it that EVERYONE will be singing on this new Journey cd???

DUH! Because they CAN! Because they WANT to. Because the fnas have written that they really enjoy hearing the different 'voices' of Journey while on tour. Because this is a BAND, not just a crooner with sidemen. Because Journey used to be about equality, not autonomy!

Is that enough reasons for you? Does any of that make sense? C'mon, be honest, at least ONE of those reasons HAS to make sense to even you

Why not let Augeri show his improved voice & talent, after all, he was hired to be lead singer for Journey, so don't you think NOW would be a good time to let the fans hear his IMPROVED VOICE???

Hmmmm, let me see if I can do the math here...
An average of 12 songs on a CD MINUS one song by each member of the band OTHER tahn Steve EQUALS eight songs by sung by Steve. Seems to me that the fans ARE hearing Steve's voice. And the bonus is that the rest of the guys are being heard as well.

I also read that Deen & Ross are joining another band to be lead singers.

No. Deen and Ross ARE working on a project for George Tickner. Deen is the only one singing lead. Ross is playing bass.

I thought the reason Deen quit SS band was because he was ill & NEEDING to spend more time with his family??? HMMMMMMM?????

Yes. He was exhausted. He is better. And the George Tickner project is not looking to tour. Touring is what takes the members away from their family and is physically demanding...especially for a drummer!

It seems like the members of Journey are moving in all different directions & have "lost focus" of Journey's direction.

Not to me.

[jrnyman28]

Remember back then? When they used to have more than one lead vocalist and weren't playing disposable bubble gum pop trash you would hear in the mall?

No No No. Revisionist history of Journey states that they were nothing before Perry, and once Perry joined HE was responsible for everything Journey did. Whether it be Lyrics, Music, Instruments, Touring, etc.

Neal is on the road and the rest of the guys are in San. Fran. putting the finsihing touches on the new album being produced by Journey-producer extraordinaire, Kevin Elson.
The focus of the band is perfectly clear; to write as a band, and to keep touring and playing for their fans.

EX-actly!!

Or as Neal said most recently in his brand new classicrockrevisited.com interview;
"We just made a great CD and I’m really very much looking forward to the new tour this year. It’s going to be An Evening with Journey where we play everything from our first Journey record ever, pre-Steve Perry, On Through Time and we are going to play our new CD as well. So things are looking up for us, we’re doing very well and I think we just made probably one of the strongest records in our history."

I just like hearing that again!!;)

[jrnyman28]

I am betting Perry fans would love him to play even one of the venues Journey is playing just to hear him sing.

Perry himself has said that he prefers to play small "intimate" settings. Sadly, there were not enough of those shows...and some of them were struggling to sell.

[jrnyman28]

BTW, I wanted to post some of the concert list for last year at the Universal Lending Pavillion in Denver, Co.

Jason Mraz
k.d. lang
The Temptations and the Four Tops
The Doors of the 21st Century
Dave Chapelle
Travis Tritt
John Fogerty
Jessica Simpson
O.A.R.
Reel Big Fish
Chris Isaak
Cyndi Lauper
Chicago and Earth, Wind & Fire
Static-X
B.B King Blues Festival
The Corrs
Deep Purple, Joe Satriani, Thin Lizzy
Olivia Newton-John


Some of those are pretty big stars.
They are a lot of great acts.

[JourneyTroll]

Oh, pardon me, Troll, it is your assertions that are silly, not you, right? You can believe whatever you want. Trying to compare Journey to U2 is ridiculous. U2 sells out arenas in minutes. There are only a handful of bands in that same league--the Rolling Stones, whatever band Paul McCartney wants to have, etc, but that is not the other 99.9% of bands. According to the one and only Bono at the R&R Hall of Fame induction, he said U2's major works could never be made in today's music scene. Fortunately U2 can do what they want because they are fabulously wealthy at this point and not at the mercy of anyone. I also recall Bono complaining about a tour of theirs that actually lost money because their show was so expensive to put on. So you think no one should bother touring if they are not in U2's position? That's a silly argument.

In the end, what you believe regarding the venues Journey plays makes not one tiny bit of difference. Bands have bookers who book the venues and they are normally not even involved in the process. That's up to the management and it is no doubt a complicated process of figuring out when a band is available and could be in the area of a venue that is available. I am betting Perry fans would love him to play even one of the venues Journey is playing just to hear him sing. I am glad Journey is touring. Nothing lasts forever. Once again--I don't hear the people who are actually buying tickets complaining--it's just you and you don't plan to go to a show. So go to your U2 concert and have fun. Or do you just enjoy seeing the negative side of everything?

Barbara, you can call me Journeytroll since that is my username.

Bono was being gracious about U2's success. U2's music gets played by many radio stations, and they play at the best venues througout the world unlike Journey. U2 shouldn't be blamed that Journey squandered all of their money and popularity starting in the mid 1980's.

Let's stay focused on Journey and their horrible venue selection of casinos, fairs, and campgrounds. My opinion on this subject does matter to you since you responded. In addition, Journey and their management made poor decisions by agreeing to play at casinos such as Buffalo Chip and Sioux Empire Fairground. Sorry, my thread has nothing to due with Steve Perry, so he and other former Journey members shouldn't be included in this discussion. All in all, I am glad I have the opportunity to mention my displeasure for Journey's poor venue selections. I wouldn't be given this opportunity on other websites. Would I?

Journeytroll

[JourneyTroll]

:x Ya know what, this place is getting fucking ridiculous...TROLL, you're just being a PRICK, plain and simple!

I am expressing my opinion on Journey without resorting to swearing or personal attacks. If you want a sugar-coated discussion on Journey, then you know where to go.

Buffalo Chip and Sioux Empire Fairground are places only a has-been band or brand new band would attend.

Journeytroll

[JourneyTroll]

BTW, I wanted to post some of the concert list for last year at the Universal Lending Pavillion in Denver, Co.

Jason Mraz
k.d. lang
The Temptations and the Four Tops
The Doors of the 21st Century
Dave Chapelle
Travis Tritt
John Fogerty
Jessica Simpson
O.A.R.
Reel Big Fish
Chris Isaak
Cyndi Lauper
Chicago and Earth, Wind & Fire
Static-X
B.B King Blues Festival
The Corrs
Deep Purple, Joe Satriani, Thin Lizzy
Olivia Newton-John


Some of those are pretty big stars.
They are a lot of great acts.

I'm not impressed with this line up. I wouldn't be surprised if Journey retires after 2006.

Journeytroll

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not impressed with this line up. I wouldn't be surprised if Journey retires after 2006.

Pessimists such as yourself have been saying that year after year after year and you know what?
You are always proved wrong.
Why don't you finally choose a year and stick to it instead of hedging your bets and saying that every year like some god damned broken record?
Or is that your insurance plan, so that no-matter what year Journey actually retires, you will be able to say "Ha! I told you this was the year they call it quits! I knew it all along! ".

By making sure to say that the band will throw in the towel each year, it goes without saying, that one of these times you are bound to get it right
Of course the band will retire some year. Nothing lasts forever.
Troll-
Be a man, choose a year, stick to it and then admit you're wrong when the band continues to persevere.
You've been spouting the same tired predictions for years now and are proved wrong time and time again.

[JourneyTroll]

I'm not impressed with this line up. I wouldn't be surprised if Journey retires after 2006.

Pessimists such as yourself have been saying that year after year after year and you know what?
You are always proved wrong.
Why don't you finally choose a year and stick to it instead of hedging your bets and saying that every year like some god damned broken record?
Or is that your insurance plan, so that no-matter what year Journey actually retires, you will be able to say "Ha! I told you this was the year they call it quits! I knew it all along! ".

By making sure to say that the band will throw in the towel each year, it goes without saying, that one of these times you are bound to get it right
Of course the band will retire some year. Nothing lasts forever.
Troll-
Be a man, choose a year, stick to it and then admit you're wrong when the band continues to persevere.
You've been spouting the same tired predictions for years now and are proved wrong time and time again.

I'm not making predictions. Instead, I am providing an opinion based upon Journey's lousy concert venue selections, their wimpy album name, and how they don't deserve to be in the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame.

Your friend,
Journeytroll

[Rockindeano]

I'm not making predictions. Instead, I am providing an opinion based upon Journey's lousy concert venue selections, their wimpy album name, and how they don't deserve to be in the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame.

Your friend,
Journeytroll[/quote]

No dude, you aren't making ANY predictions. You are simply spouting bullshit with the exception of the venue selection, which I do think is a bit fuckin retarded. Journey can obviously play bigger joints and they should. Now on to my main argument with the troll...

When you come up fror air, while blowing Bono and his "same sounding every album band," I will talk numbers with you. Look, U2 is a solid act, but when compared to Journey, I can make the argument Journey is/was as good.

Airplay- I hear a lot more Journey on all types of stations than U2. This isn't even close.

Hype- Sure U2 is bigger now. So what? I bet you 100-1-- 20 years ago, Journey was the biggest draw in the world, and U2 was polliticking their wat through clubs, bashing world powers, and the like. I really like how Bono has W's(Mr Stupid) ear. Why the Hell should the US listen to him? Why don't you go kick down the Irish PM's door and ask Him/Her for some dollars to curb whatever it is you want to cure, Bono? I am so sick of rock stars polliticking especially against the US(like Bono). At least Springsteen rails against the government he is actually US born.

History-Journey has done more in music than U2. Yes, they lost their lead singer, and that hurt them. Can you imagine U2 with someone else? uh, no. If and thats a big if, Journey and perry could have stuck together, they could be as big or bigger than U2 now.

Closing-Troll, go back to blowing Bono, or whatever it is you do, and get the fuck out of here. You are worse than Lori.

[JourneyTroll]

I'm not making predictions. Instead, I am providing an opinion based upon Journey's lousy concert venue selections, their wimpy album name, and how they don't deserve to be in the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame.

Your friend,
Journeytroll

No dude, you aren't making ANY predictions. You are simply spouting bullshit with the exception of the venue selection, which I do think is a bit fuckin retarded. Journey can obviously play bigger joints and they should. Now on to my main argument with the troll...

When you come up fror air, while blowing Bono and his "same sounding every album band," I will talk numbers with you. Look, U2 is a solid act, but when compared to Journey, I can make the argument Journey is/was as good.

Airplay- I hear a lot more Journey on all types of stations than U2. This isn't even close.

Hype- Sure U2 is bigger now. So what? I bet you 100-1-- 20 years ago, Journey was the biggest draw in the world, and U2 was polliticking their wat through clubs, bashing world powers, and the like. I really like how Bono has W's(Mr Stupid) ear. Why the Hell should the US listen to him? Why don't you go kick down the Irish PM's door and ask Him/Her for some dollars to curb whatever it is you want to cure, Bono? I am so sick of rock stars polliticking especially against the US(like Bono). At least Springsteen rails against the government he is actually US born.

History-Journey has done more in music than U2. Yes, they lost their lead singer, and that hurt them. Can you imagine U2 with someone else? uh, no. If and thats a big if, Journey and perry could have stuck together, they could be as big or bigger than U2 now.

Closing-Troll, go back to blowing Bono, or whatever it is you do, and get the fuck out of here. You are worse than Lori. [/quote]

More personal attacks against me. Shame. Shame.

1985: U2 was one of the best acts at Live Aid. Journey's Steve Perry kicked Ross Valory and Steve Smith out of the band. Journey couldn't even get to Live Aid unless they bought tickets.

Today: U2 gets more airplay than Journey unless you go to a 80's Retro Radio station.

Journey is charging $150 per ticket for the best seats, while U2 is only charging between $49.50 to $55 for the best GA section. I'll be in the GA section is Boston. Oh yeah. You also get a t-shirt, autograph, and a ham sandwich if you pay the $150 VIP price.

Journeytroll

[perryfaithful]

If and thats a big if, Journey and perry could have stuck together, they could be as big or bigger than U2 now.

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[Argus]

Journey is charging $150 per ticket for the best seats, while U2 is only charging between $49.50 to $55 for the best GA section. I'll be in the GA section is Boston. Oh yeah. You also get a t-shirt, autograph, and a ham sandwich if you pay the $150 VIP price.Journeytroll

GA= General Admission isn't that no seating assigned? If that is what GA means then this is an apple and orange thing and can't be compared

[JourneyTroll]

Journey is charging $150 per ticket for the best seats, while U2 is only charging between $49.50 to $55 for the best GA section. I'll be in the GA section is Boston. Oh yeah. You also get a t-shirt, autograph, and a ham sandwich if you pay the $150 VIP price.Journeytroll

GA= General Admission isn't that no seating assigned? If that is what GA means then this is an apple and orange thing and can't be compared

The best section for a U2 concert is General Admission at $49.50. The current best section for a Journey VIP is $150. Face it. U2 takes care of their fans with the best location at the lowest price.

Journeytroll

[jrnyman28]

It is your opinion that GA is the "best" section...others do not feel that way. But if you were to compare the first 10 rows of SEATS at a U2 concert with the first 10 rows of SEATS at a Journey concert you would see that the VIP Package for Journey is better than just a ticket for U2.

[JourneyTroll]

It is your opinion that GA is the "best" section...others do not feel that way. But if you were to compare the first 10 rows of SEATS at a U2 concert with the first 10 rows of SEATS at a Journey concert you would see that the VIP Package for Journey is better than just a ticket for U2.

That's only partially true if you are a huge Journey fan. Plus, in my opinion, the behind the stage seats at the U2 concert for $49 to $55 are the second best section.



Journeytroll

[jrnyman28]

Look at everyone just standing there!!

[Fernando Ramirez]

That's only partially true if you are a huge Journey fan. Plus, in my opinion, the behind the stage seats at the U2 concert for $49 to $55 are the second best section.



Journeytroll

You keep bringing up U2. I get the feeling you like U2 more than Journey. That's cool. You should change your name to U2troll. Maybe you'd be happier at a U2 message board.

[JourneyTroll]

Look at everyone just standing there!!

Everyone is mesmerized at U2. Plus, the U2 stage has ramps where Bono, The Edge, and Adam Clayton run to the back of the stage.

I'd rather sit there than on the other side of the venue and pay $165 plus other fees.

Journeytroll

[jrnyman28]

You keep bringing up U2. I get the feeling you like U2 more than Journey. That's cool. You should change your name to U2troll. Maybe you'd be happier at a U2 message board.

He wouldn't troll a U2 board...

[JourneyTroll]

Look at everyone just standing there!!

Look at all of U2's young, fit, and hip fans. No casino or campground for U2!

Journeytroll