First Setlist of the Tour is in...

[Rockindeano]

I think they should lose Who's Crying Now. One of my least favorite Journey songs. Rest of the show looks good. Will miss not hearing things from TBF, Red, and Arv. But good point is people want to hear the hits, and they need to get Generations heard,-ERIC

They didn't play Who's Cryin' Now...



And to the UK guy..if you don't like it, go watch some english band over there..this is an ambitious list like NC said...It was a great show..

[jrnyman28]

Give us a hint Andrew...What are you gonna ask? and more importantly...WHEN?

[jrnyman28]

I wait for over 20 years to see Journey and when I do the set list is awful, the lead singer does not sing for an hour and it cost me a lot of cash to travel from the UK.

Anyone want to buy an air ticket ????????

I will probably sit in the bar until after the interval when they play the decent songs. I could just imagine Steve Perry agreeing to strum a guitar for an hour and not sing....I like both Perry and Augeri but this policy of everyone singing apart from the singer for an hour is ludicrous..........OK Mr Plant you stand over there as John Paul Jones and Jimmy Page will do the singing for a while.........it would not happen in Zep or any other band.....Ime just so pissed that i save up, wait all these years and get this disjointed show........

Well, I guess your timing SUCKS!! You should have gone to LAST YEAR'S SHOW!!

It has been well reported what kind of show this was going to be. It has been well reported that the show would encompass the full 30 years of Journey's career. If you only care about the Steve Perry years than you should have gone last year, or waited until next year.

The only point of merit may be the order of the setlist. Journey might try to mix the songs more so that Steve is involved (along with some more audience members) sooner. But personally, I like the way it is. My only question is "Why ONE song with Steve before the intermission?" Either play a FEW songs or NO songs with Steve on vocals. One seems awkward...

[OpeningAct]

I'm guessing the band will make adjustments along the way. I agree - an hour before Augeri sings a note is WAAY too long. Mix the old and new...as for the set list, hey, they can't play EVERYTHING. I think it's great stuff!!!!

[LAWoman]

I wait for over 20 years to see Journey and when I do the set list is awful, the lead singer does not sing for an hour and it cost me a lot of cash to travel from the UK.

Anyone want to buy an air ticket ????????

I will probably sit in the bar until after the interval when they play the decent songs. I could just imagine Steve Perry agreeing to strum a guitar for an hour and not sing....I like both Perry and Augeri but this policy of everyone singing apart from the singer for an hour is ludicrous..........OK Mr Plant you stand over there as John Paul Jones and Jimmy Page will do the singing for a while.........it would not happen in Zep or any other band.....Ime just so pissed that i save up, wait all these years and get this disjointed show........

They play all the familiar songs plus new and different stuff. It would be really hard to have a very much longer show. I really do not see what you are disappointed in. What do you want to hear? In case you have forgotten Perry did not sing every song during the classic Journey days either. It's called variety! Or just close your eyes when Deen is singing and you will think it's Perry anyway.

[mnmsjrny]

Uhh.. TNC, you edited my setlist...


There was one song I couldn't identify during the set that has since been cleared up...

Between "I'm Gonna Leave You" and "Mystery Mountain" they played "Nickel and Dime"

And would it *kill* people to at least say where they got the set list... I mean really, I do put some effort into taking notes during the show to include the set list and this one was HARD! (mumble mutter grumble...)

[mnmsjrny]

SEVEN songs from "Generations"!!!!!!
And the first half of the set, WOW!!!

I am SO Excited NOW!


Now I am curious, TEN songs before Steve has a 'lead' vocal...Is he on stage that whole time doing background vocals/guitar/something?

This may have been answered, but yes, Steve is on stage for most of the first set on rhythm guitar and some backing vocals. And it's 8 songs from Generations -- yes, "Self Defense" was a Schon/Hammer tune, but it IS on Generations!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Uhh.. TNC, you edited my setlist...

I took the one track out because you didn't specify what the song was. You didn't know the title.
So why leave it in?
What purpose exactly would listing the song "???" serve?

There was one song I couldn't identify during the set that has since been cleared up...

I know, that's why I took it out. See above.

And would it *kill* people to at least say where they got the set list... I mean really,

Seems rather silly to get ur hackles raised over somthing as trivial as a set list credit. Nonetheless, if it puts you at ease, allow me to sincerly apologise.

[mnmsjrny]

Yeah. I don't think it was his zipper for his crotch..I think it was his mic hookup..

It wasn't his mic hook up... a couple of friends of mine were right in the front row and tried to alert him to his wardrobe malfunction.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Mnmsjrny- why did last nite's show yield such a polarized audience reaction?

Some people are saying it was a blast, while other several people are demanding that "Steve needs to be replaced" and one lady proffered the ultimatum of "If Deen isn't given lead on all tracks, never again will I attend a Journey show ".

What exactly is going on here?

Are these people liars, in your opinion?

[mnmsjrny]

I took the one track out because you didn't specify what the song was. You didn't know the title.
So why leave it in?
What purpose exactly would listing the song "???" serve?

To let people know there was another song.

Seems rather silly to get ur hackles raised over somthing as trivial as a set list credit. Nonetheless, if it puts you at ease, allow me to sincerly apologise.

Thank you... it's not that it's the set list it's that you took what I typed VERBATIM and posted it yourself with out referring to where you got it -- wasn't that it was *me* per se, but that you got it from another source.

[Rockindeano]

Jesus Christ! It is a setlist! Who in the Hell takes notes at a concert if they are not in the press corp? Are you serious? I went on memory, and got 27 or so of the 32....or whatever the hell it was.

Some of these fans need to get a life..To sit at your keyboard at 500A on the day after, and start critiquing a show, a singer, a setlist..that is whack...

If you don't like the Band, then go sit next to troll at the U2 bench. If you don't like the setlist, go break out Greatest hits live for the 1000th time..and if you don't like Augeri, kiss my ass. No wonder Neal, Jon and whomever else is sick of certain sites!! Neal Schon can do whatever the hell he wants..He has earned that right. Hey, I said I wasn't 100% thrilled to hear the first 45 mins..so what? I enjoyed it, and respect Neal for whatever he wants..

Neal, feel free to live life, and retire..I don't blame you if you just want to say the "Hell with this." I appreciate everything this guy does..signing Cd's, calling radio stations, meet and greets, recording new material, getting new members, answering OLD questions about ex members, and reading these goddamned forums! Dude deserves a little slack. Am I using Neal as my subject? Yes, as I consider him to be the captain, or the spokesman of the band Journey.

To sit and take notes..Hmm. Not my cup of tea. Say, what kind of pants did Neal have on? Levis or Dickies? Was Jonathan wearing boots or tennis shoes? Who gives a rats' ass!! Perhaps I should have sought out the flag and signed it... what a bunch of whiny stupid assed "fans."

I don't know if any of you watch ESPN. Jeremy Roenick who plays for the Flyers, and is locked out(or on strike, whatever you want to call it), told the fans to "kiss my ass." That's right, any nitpickers out there, don't come to our games, we don't want you there." I like that..

Neal should tell certain "fans" (and I use the term loosely), to kiss his ass too.

[NealIsGod]

Wow, Deano, who pissed in your Cinnamon Toast Crunch today?!?

I agree with you, I don't understand people who complain about the song selection. Everyone knows they are playing songs from every era, and there are plenty of hits and more obscure stuff mixed in.

The way I see it, this is a golden age for the band, with all that talent in songwriting, singing and musicianship apparent in the new CD and at the live shows. But there are always people who want to live in the past, people who think musicians should retire when they hit 30. Those people try to drag everyone else down with them. Not gonna happen to me!

I also feel the same way about Neal. He bends over backwards for fans, and busts his ass making music and promoting it. He truly loves it. That is why he is successful.

[LAWoman]

Mnmsjrny- why did last nite's show yield such a polarized audience reaction?

Some people are saying it was a blast, while other several people are demanding that "Steve needs to be replaced" and one lady proffered the ultimatum of "If Deen isn't given lead on all tracks, never again will I attend a Journey show ".

What exactly is going on here?

Are these people liars, in your opinion?

Well, there is also at least one review that said Perry was there. Someone else thought Deen was just mouthing the words and Steve was offstage singing them. Some people think they saw Steve had some microphone problem while others saw a clothing malfunction.

The thing with reviews is the concert experience is very individual depending on a lot of variables including where you were sitting, what you expected and maybe even how much alcohol was consumed. The girl next to me thought Faith in the Heartland was one of the classics and it was one of her favorite songs. That's also the trouble with professional concert reviews--experiences differ. Your opinion is your opinion. People aren't lying--they are giving their opinions.

[Rockindeano]

Well, there is also at least one review that said Perry was there. Someone else thought Deen was just mouthing the words and Steve was offstage singing them. Some people think they saw Steve had some microphone problem while others saw a clothing malfunction.

The thing with reviews is the concert experience is very individual depending on a lot of variables including where you were sitting, what you expected and maybe even how much alcohol was consumed. The girl next to me thought Faith in the Heartland was one of the classics and it was one of her favorite songs. That's also the trouble with professional concert reviews--experiences differ. Your opinion is your opinion. People aren't lying--they are giving their opinions.

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Well said. Faith in the heartland a classic? Well, if she thought that, that to me anyway is a good sign...

[RoyalOakRoadie]

I guess what I dont get is...

Two different people, at the SAME show..one saw Augeri playing guitar onstage, singing backup during the first set..another, said Augeri wasnt onstage at all til 10 songs in, and he was offstage singing...

Makes ya wonder which of these people werent really at the show...

*shrugs*

[jrnyman28]

I guess what I dont get is...

Two different people, at the SAME show..one saw Augeri playing guitar onstage, singing backup during the first set..another, said Augeri wasnt onstage at all til 10 songs in, and he was offstage singing...

Makes ya wonder which of these people werent really at the show...

*shrugs*

Actually, the 2nd person you refer to said Steve Perry did not sing until the last song of the first set, and implied that he was singing while Deen was "mouthing" the words.

[NealIsGod]

Steve Perry was singing offstage? Sounds outlandish to me. What were they smoking?

[RoyalOakRoadie]

I guess what I dont get is...

Two different people, at the SAME show..one saw Augeri playing guitar onstage, singing backup during the first set..another, said Augeri wasnt onstage at all til 10 songs in, and he was offstage singing...

Makes ya wonder which of these people werent really at the show...

*shrugs*

Actually, the 2nd person you refer to said Steve Perry did not sing until the last song of the first set, and implied that he was singing while Deen was "mouthing" the words.

Steve Perry was there??? OK, now I am more confused, lol

[jrnyman28]

Well, I apparantly still mixed up two different reviews. A woman named Karen said that Steve Perry did not come out until the last song of the first set. A different person made the claim that Deen was mouthing while Steve (I thought they said/implied Perry) was singing offstage.

Crazy ain't it!?!

[RoyalOakRoadie]

I get the feeling someone mistyped Perry instead of Augeri, a Freudian slip?
Thats the only explanation that makes even a lick of sense, lol.

[yak]

I agree...No more LTS and Open Arms for me.

The Place in Your Heart is a great song for radio. It's a great rocking song and would command attention. Who needs to get this done? Is somebody paying to keep Journey OFF the radio?

I love the idea that the band is playing so many new songs in their lineup. Are they announcing to the crowd that they are hearing some of the new songs on the CD they just received?

Why are people complaining about the setlist, which sounds awesome? The Journey concert was announced, and billed as "An Evening with Journey, and it was explained as to what this meant. So maybe they're living under a rock? Those complaining at BT that Steve should be removed from the band are likely to be counted in that unscrupulous bunch who shall remain nameless.

Darren, I'd buy your airline ticket, but I'm already here.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, you figure that out oo, yak? Notice there are no "problems" here anymore..looks like the "heads" moved over to Backtalk, and are oozing all their fungis and pollution on them now! They are all "new" posters with a handful of posts to their credit.. Those dumb bitches....

[mnmsjrny]

Mnmsjrny- why did last nite's show yield such a polarized audience reaction?

Some people are saying it was a blast, while other several people are demanding that "Steve needs to be replaced" and one lady proffered the ultimatum of "If Deen isn't given lead on all tracks, never again will I attend a Journey show ".

What exactly is going on here?

Are these people liars, in your opinion?

Barb got it right -- for as many people there are there are equal numbers of responses. The variables are many. For me, I never go away from a Journey show disappointed. I *have* gone away with "hmm... that wasn't quite up to snuff", but I always have a good time. There were too many years when a night out at a Journey concert was not an option for me to take any show for granted. There were definitely a few first night glitches, but that's what I chalked them up to and didn't even mention in my post-show write up. If this were the 30th show of the tour, I would have.

And, uh, Deeno -- I've been regularly posting write ups for concerts for the Journey Digest & Back Talk since the Arrival tour (and sporadically before then). People have come to expect them, so I take notes. I do not usually do a fashion report unless asked (I realize that only about 50% of the audience cares about that) but sometimes it's fun to throw in.

[Rockindeano]

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And, uh, Deeno -- I've been regularly posting write ups for concerts for the Journey Digest & Back Talk since the Arrival tour (and sporadically before then). People have come to expect them, so I take notes. I do not usually do a fashion report unless asked (I realize that only about 50% of the audience cares about

that) but sometimes it's fun to throw in.[/quote]


Yeah I know, I was "targeting" you.....There are some over there that freak out about attire, and the like...All i was saying is enjoy the Goddamned show already! I remember about 95% of the set..that is better for me than taking notes!

[mnmsjrny]

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Yeah I know, I was "targeting" you.....There are some over there that freak out about attire, and the like...All i was saying is enjoy the Goddamned show already! I remember about 95% of the set..that is better for me than taking notes!

Hey, for some people, the fashion is part of the enjoyment! You're the wrong gender to get it, but leather pants and the right shirt sure can go a loooooooooooong way.

And taking notes doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of the show. If it did I would have stopped a long time ago. Taking *photos* does so I don't do that anymore...

[Rockindeano]

And taking notes doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of the show. If it did I would have stopped a long time ago. Taking *photos* does so I don't do that anymore...[/quote]

You know I AM a dumbshit.. I meant to say I WASN"T targeting you... I just made it worse.. I am sorry for that.

[jrnyman28]

I think I am the same way at shows...I always find enjoyment, even if I notice something wrong. I have been asking the people who have written the negative reviews if they had a good time or if they enjoyed anything. I haven't noticed any answers. My point is that you can find negative, and it is OK to report it...but you should also find positive and report that too.

[Abitaman]

What gets me, is how most everyone is quick to point Augeri was bad at this or that! Perry never did this or that is usually their answer. Then I thought, they are wrong. And why? Because Perry did go flat, did miss notes at times (maybe not like Augeri). But why the big deal over it. Because of the internet. Everything is instant now adays. Perry days who could you tell? Your friends, co-workers? That would be it. You got a beef against someone, then how many people knew of it. And today how many people know?

So what if Augeri wasn't at his best. The man needs to be given credit. Look who's shoes he is fillin. Perry was the voice of rock, but he was not perfect. People tend to think Perry was, and the longer he is out of the music business, the better people think he was. When Perry was his best, know one was close to being as good as him, noone! But Perry gone, and the people (mainly at backtalk) need to get alife, and be glead they can still hear live Journey music.

Augeri, is great, may never beat Perry when he was at the top, but I don't care. Journey is alive and well. Augeri is doing a great job. And to fill Perry's shoes and have to listen to all the gripping from some of the Perry people, he's a bigger and better man than a lot of people.

Don't have a problem with him not hitting all the notes, everyone has a bad day, but you never hear from the negative people about his good days. I have boots of both Augeri and Perry blowin it. So get over it-ERIC

[The_Noble_Cause]

What gets me, is how most everyone is quick to point Augeri was bad at this or that! Perry never did this or that is usually their answer. Then I thought, they are wrong. And why? Because Perry did go flat, did miss notes at times (maybe not like Augeri). But why the big deal over it. Because of the internet. Everything is instant now adays. Perry days who could you tell? Your friends, co-workers? That would be it. You got a beef against someone, then how many people knew of it. And today how many people know?

So what if Augeri wasn't at his best. The man needs to be given credit. Look who's shoes he is fillin. Perry was the voice of rock, but he was not perfect. People tend to think Perry was, and the longer he is out of the music business, the better people think he was. When Perry was his best, know one was close to being as good as him, noone! But Perry gone, and the people (mainly at backtalk) need to get alife, and be glead they can still hear live Journey music.

Augeri, is great, may never beat Perry when he was at the top, but I don't care. Journey is alive and well. Augeri is doing a great job. And to fill Perry's shoes and have to listen to all the gripping from some of the Perry people, he's a bigger and better man than a lot of people.

Don't have a problem with him not hitting all the notes, everyone has a bad day, but you never hear from the negative people about his good days. I have boots of both Augeri and Perry blowin it. So get over it-ERIC

The problem is Augeri has to live up to an impossible standard; not to the vocally haggard Steve Perry of FTLOSM, not even to Perry's live vocals from the 80's. No, the majority of concert goers will be comparing him to the flawless Perry vocals they hear on the GH played on classic rock radio day after day.
That is just an impossible standard for any vocalist to live up to.
However, Deen does come mightily close!

I was playing an Augeri-concert boot the other day and this one girl in my room starts demanding that I turn it off and play " Some Perry!!" because she doesn't like Steve Augeri. (based on what, I have no idea)

Ok, so I turn off the Augeri boot from '04 and play this Journey-Perry bootleg from Philadelphia for her (not sure on the year).
"Don't Stop Believin" starts playin and she bewails, "Ugh. He sounds positively awful!!".

Now, I happen to think Perry sounds absolutely amazing on this boot, but it just goes to show peoples' unrealistic expectataions.
There is perception and then there is reality.
Everyone is expecting a concert to sound exactly like the record and it just aint like that.

I found it slightly amusing that she would even dare criticize my Journey boots when her music collection is comprised largely of Bob Dylan and other fellow non-singers who sound like shit not just live, but on record, as well. Oh well....