What's up with Journey?

[St.George]

Idiot. Do you want to argue in spanish, instead? After reading a misused word it's pretty obvious that english is not my mother language.

No it's not. You could just be stupid. Nearly everyone on this forum (or on the internet, really) misspells a word every now and then.
How am I supposed to infer from ONE mispelled word that you are from outside the USA?

Another brainless american who thinks the USA is the center of the world. Obviously you did forget the UK or Australia as english-speaking countries. How pathetic...

For the rest of your comments, especially the last one, I'll just tell you are a shameful person. I won't say any other word to you. As I said, I don't have the ability to talk to animals. And btw, I'm not an immigrant in your stinky and decaying country (poor them when you tell them things like that). I'm european. I'm from SPAIN. Thank God I'm not "another stupid brainless american".

Now that you showed us off your "quality" as a human being, I have to tell you that I warned you: FUCK OFF!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Another brainless american who thinks the USA is the center of the world. Obviously you did forget the UK as an english-speaking country. How pathetic...

That's true, but my initial point still stands: there is no way of me infering that you are not a regularly english speaking citizen on the basis of one mispelled word.

For the rest of your comments, especially the last one, I'll just tell you are a shameful person.

You wanna know what's shameful?
Exploiting one's own nationality and heritage for the purposes of trumping someone in an argument on a message board.

I told you to put down the "race card" because that is exactly what you are doing. Rather than provide some sort of factual corroboration to your wild claims, you are now saying "Oh woe is me, you are attacking me because you knew all-too-well that I am a foreigner".
That's bullshit and nothing further from the truth.
I don't know where you're from and frankly, I don't care.
It'd be nice if you could go back and permanently stay there, though.

I won't say any other word to you. As I said, I don't have the ability to talk to animals.
I did warned you, then... NOW FUCK OFF!!!

All mouth, no facts.

[RubyTequila]

Another thread down the craphole

[jrnyjetster]

If I may chime in on this discussion here......

St. George, what bands have you been listening to lately? You say you're from Spain, so tell me, how did you obtain a copy of GENERATIONS? From EBay? Have you listened to every track completely?

[Abitaman]

Hmmm! Look what we've got here... 2 RADICALS!!!




BTW, Springsteen (Game Over), McCartney (Finished), The Rolling Stones (Mummys), ZZTop (Where are they now?), Petty and the Heartbreakers (Pretty decent, though), Styx (Are they joking? This case is worse than Journey's, lol), REO (Not too bad in studio; better not to comment live) , U2 (always overrated, but they ROCK, anyway), The Eagles (crap for retired; just a stinky nostalgia act.)... It's a shame for these bands to still stay on the road. The opportunism of most of them just STINK. They should retire decently...

No it is not a shame, should they go home, and we never see them again? No! -ERIC

[Abitaman]

What are you, a fuckin minister, or a fuckin kindergarten teacher? Spare me the profanity shit...I NEED to use certain words to let YOU know how much YOU piss me off. I wish I could rip your head off and use it for a bowling ball...

No, he may not be, but I am! And this IS NOT TO DOWN GRADE "ROCK" in anyway, but some of you make me want to cuss too!!!!!!! If you don't want Deano to cuss, QUIT being a butt (is that too strong?) about things.

Deano, look in you private message and email.-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

I guess I am going to have fun with this thread. But let me start by saying to RUBYTEQUILLA: This thread STARTED in the crapper.

I don't know what's going on with this band but it's obvious something's happening. Not only in this messageboard, but almost in every other where a JRNY discussion takes place. The fans are divided in two groups always: radicals and moaners.

There are far more than two groups. Read Monker's post "Life, The Universe, and Journey further down page one.
But to simplify it, yes there are two sides: those who continue to suipport Journey and those who do not. (The reason for those who do not may differ, but for most [here at least] it is because Perry is no longer in Journey.)

I have heard their latter album, "Generations". From my point of view, it's a piece of crap from track#4 (included) onwards. But that's my point of view.

That is fine to state. By do not get defensive when someone disagrees. And where did you get your copy? I read later in the thread that you are in Spain...I take it someone from the States mailed you a copy?

But I think I would be objective if I say that it's not on a JRNY level.

You may think you are being objective...you are correct when it pertains to whether or not you like "Generations". But you are saying it is not up to some sort of Journey 'standards'. That is biased based on your opinion of the material. I don't think that is objective at that point. Remember that music is SUBjective and everything gets easier.

The track sung by Valory could be considered a sin;

Either you like it or you don't. That seems to be the responses about this song. I like it. Ross' voice is nothing special, but it fits the song. And I love Jounrey returning to some of their bluesier roots!

the rest of the album is far too easy and predictable. I think I prefer them to call it quits worthily, before they continue smearing their legacy.

They cannot affect their 'legacy'. But I am shocked that you can say the music is 'predictable'. And yet you don't like the completely unpredictable "Gone Crazy" sung by Ross.

It's obvious that Journey is no longer the same.

DUH!

They lost youth (is there anyone younger than 40 in the 2001 DVD?), craftmanship, audacity and freshness.

If you truly meant their VIBE as stated later in this thread, then why did you mention the AGE of Journey's audience? But still, it is NATURAL for their VIBE to have matured over the years AS THEY HAVE! Can you HONESTLY tell me that other bands/singers that have been around for 30 years have NOT matured?

And I do not pretend to offend anyone with my opinion,

Nope! No pretending here...

nor I want to stir the pot more than it already is.

That is EXACTLY what you want to do. Otherwise there would have been NO REASON for your post.

Just want to say that it's painful for some fans to see a legendary band falling in...

Then why stick around?

Leave before it's too late...

Maybe you should just move on and take your own advice...If not, I am still more than willing to converse with you here. Makes no difference to me.



Next...

[jrnyman28]

It's LUDICROUS to see that during the whole concert the ppl is either embraced during the ballads or clapping hands over the rockers, at most. Check some other earlier JRNY concerts to see what I mean. I guess you will figure it out...

I guess I just don't get this. You are saying it is wrong for the audience to feel Journey's music, to show appreciation for it at the shows, to love the one they're with during the ballads and to ROCK OUT when the band is on fire? Maybe you like the Japanese audiences that just sit there and listen to the music?

It's a shame for these bands to still stay on the road. The opportunism of most of them just STINK. They should retire decently...

I think the bands AND their fans disagree. If a band still enjoys what they do who are YOU to say otherwise? If it is ONLY for the money then that is too bad. But that is not always the case. And just because YOU do not like something does not mean it is bad...the world does not revolve around YOU!

[jrnyman28]

What I want to say is I don't want to see legendary bands like JRNY dragging their arses turned out into a nostalgia act.

As I said in the post above, the world does not revolve around YOU. If you do not want to see it, don't go. Simple as that!

They have a LEGEND status; that's what I mean.

Do you know how they got that LEGEND status? By perservering. By evolving and adapting. By continuing to play to their fans. By continuing to create music. LEGENDs do not curl up and die when something goes wrong. LEGENDs do not disappear because life gets harder.

I don't want them to turn into a joke, understood?

I'm not laughing.

It's worth of praise the thing Steve Perry did when he retired. It's sad, I know but it's a pretty clever move because that way everyone will have a good memory of him as a singer.

Don't let HOTS, Perryfaithful, OhSherrie and the others hear you say that. To them, Perry has not retired. But Perry "risked" that good memory of being a good singer on the FTLOSM tour. He was an amazing entertainer on that tour, but his singing had come WAY down.

He doesn't need to prostitute himself or ruin the legacy of the band for a few dollars

And neither is JOURNEY. They are a band. They are continuing. They are writing good material for their FANS.

(For instance, What the f*ck is DeYoung doing? ShameShameShame...!)

Who cares what he is doing? But it is not really any different than the FTLOSM tour where Perry played mostly Journey music.

[jrnyman28]

Change is good... as long as you don't get worse! D'you know what I mean?

But "worse" is YOUR opinion..it is not mine.

BTW, the examples you gave me are not objective. BT is formed by an amount of boolickers who approve every single thing done by the band, no matter if it's a turd or not.

Not all on BT are blind followers, but it is true that many are. You brought your argument to the right place because "we" here are VERY objective. If something is bad, "we" say so. If something is good "we" say that too.

Newspapers: well, I've seen mixed reviews... remember that one which said the people were abandoning the concert when the band were playing new songs?

Every review of Journey I have seen in Newspapers has been good. The "reviews" I have seen that mention people leaving have been from audience members and the band itself. However, that is a 'review' of the audience...NOT the band. It is such a shame that an audience would do something like that. The mentality of the audience nowadays has changed. It used to be that people went to concerts for the specific reason of HEARING new material. Remember when Journey debuted "Separate Ways" near the end of the Escape Tour. (I may be wrong about that song, but I do remember when Journey did just such a thing and the audience loved it.) Times have changed...

[jrnyman28]

I enjoy bands like The White Stripes, The Killers, Nine Inch Nails and Neil Diamond too!

WHO CARES?

Where can I listen to Generations? [/quotes]

Answered in another thread.

Are any of the songs being played on the radio?

Journeytroll

You know the answer to that. The CD has not been released. No singles have been released.

[jrnyman28]

The single ballad "When you love a woman" in the TBF album, just kick ass on everything the band has done over the last decade.

While I do not like "All The Way" on Arrival, I would say that the only real difference between these two songs is the singer. WYLAW was as good as it was BECAUSE Perry was singing it. The writing on both songs is pretty equivelent IMO.

I'm not too fond of that album, anyway, but pieces like "Message of Love"

As TNC said, just call that Separate Ways part 2.

or "I can see it in your eyes"

Now THAT is a great rock song. Why do you think Sony kept it off of TBF. And since it was only a bonus track, it should not be used in this argument...

sound to me quite more inspiring and authentic.

How can you hear authentic? Unless you are biased by who is in the band, then 'authentic' would only be JOURNEY.

And the fillers in TBF are not that obvious as they are in their last 2 albums (WTF is "All the way"? is it a boyband song or something?). "Arrival" has pretty decent numbers, but from that album onwards they started to sound quite predictable in some songs.

Journey has been somewhat "predictable" ever since "Open Arms" became a hit. Sadly, that is what we have Perry to thank for...he was smart to pick that song, but Journey got stuck labelled as a ballad band. And THAT is what made them predictable. Face it...a bad song is a bad song. A filler is a filler. I don't think Journey has "bad" songs but they do have filler...all bands do. Their biggest mistake on TBF and Arrival (IMO) is that Journey made the CDs too long, hence the fillers.

In relation to ROR, ... I ABSOLUTELY think that a person who thinks Generations is better than ROR (because it rocks more or any other reason whatsoever) is DEAF. Period.

Fine. But I think anyone who thinks ROR is a JOURNEY cd and is better than "Generations" is deaf. See, it goes both way. Why? Because it is music, it is subjective, it is YOUR OPINION.

I'll show you some proofs:
"Girl can't help it" - Classic
"Possitive Touch" - Classic
"Be good to yourself" - Classic
"Happy to give" - Classic
"Raised on radio" - Classic
"Why can't this night..." - Classic

Proof of what...that Perry made a pop CD? That Journey always finds a way to write catchy songs? That Jon Cain is a good songwriter (with Perry and Neal)? If those songs are classics then I guess the rest are 'fillers'?

There are no song in "Generations" (even if it's one of the 3 songs at the beginning of the album) liable to match, in terms of quality and IDENTITY, any of those mentioned above.

The only thing that would keep "Generations" from 'identiy' is the fact that Journey does not get airplay anymore. Why? Because times have changed...simply as that.

[jrnyman28]

The single ballad "When you love a woman" in the TBF album, just kick ass on everything has done over the last decade.

Puh-lease.
Don't buy into the hype.
Grammy nod aside, WYLAW is no better than any of Journey's countless other sappy ballads that have pockmarked their otherwise rockin' legacy. Granted, its a nice enough tune, but there is nothing even remotley innovative or fresh about it.

TRUE!

"Arrival" has pretty decent numbers, but from that album onwards they started to sound quite predictable in some songs.

Yeah, their next release, "Red 13", was soooo darned predictable. That 7 minute long "State of Grace" and "The Time" were so obviously tailor made for top 40 radio. Oh, and that dark ballad on drug addiction, "Walkin Away from the Edge" was soo obvious an attempt from Journey to kow tow to the wishes of the mainstream listening masses.

Well said.

In relation to ROR,

That particular album is commonly regarded in Journey fandom to be nothing more than a Steve Perry solo album. There is maybe 3 or 4 solid tracks to be found on it and the rest sounds like it could've came straight off of Perry's FTLOSM.

I agree.

[jrnyman28]

To yak&Co:

I can't stand that sh*t anymore.

What? You started this, but you can't stand this? Guess what! You are the new one here, "we' have gone through this time and time again. "We" are the ones who have the 'right' to be sick of this. "We" are the ones who 'can't stand this'.

You keep always doin' the same strategy of "moniking" people as properrys... it sounds so victimistic from you, that it's pretty bashful.

And those are the unique arguments you use to defend the "new" JRNY. See it... you don't have any other arguments to say to anyone that thinks the opposite of what you think. It's always a perry-based discussion. But I'm talking about music, here...

I'll be honest, I understand that English might not be your first language (as you posted later) but I do not understand this statement at all. Except to say that this has not been a Perry-based discussion on either side. It has been about the music and your opinion of Journey.

"Remember me" was, for me, one of the biggest tunes the band has ever done. Better than many songs with Perry on the leads. I don't care who's on the leads as long as it's consistent.

I will agree with this. But I also believe that Journey has had MANY other great songs since Remember Me. Walking Away From The Edge is my favorite example. If the production on RED13 had been better then that EP would have been a 10+!!

So that's not the point...

So what is? You said it's about the music but then you sidestep with the Perry issue, the Perry fans, and an OT post about something that I cannot find any reference to. Misdirection...

[Rockindeano]

THE NOBLE CAUSE--


Change that RIDICULOUS signature..I am crying from laughing you prick!

[jrnyman28]

First of all, Journey isn't "NEW;" it's Journey CONTINUING. Continuity is a good thing. It makes the world go around.

BINGO

[jrnyman28]

Another brainless person. I pity them fools...

Now you are claiming superiority? This is a message board and we are stating opinions...NO ONE'S Opinion is worth more than another's.

[jrnyman28]

Now that you showed us off your "quality" as a human being, I have to tell you that I warned you: FUCK OFF!!!

Oooohhh!! Better not let JourneyTroll hear you using that mouth! He is the profanity police here. (Of course, he likes what you are doing so I am sure he will not say anything [except now that I called him on it])!

[jrnyman28]

If I may chime in on this discussion here......

St. George, what bands have you been listening to lately? You say you're from Spain, so tell me, how did you obtain a copy of GENERATIONS? From EBay? Have you listened to every track completely?

[perryfaithful]

Hmmmm. Sombody wishes Journey weren't doing so well, apparently. Near sell-outs for Irvine & Chula Vista. Sell-out for Tucson. Nice reviews at BT, nice reviews on Melodicrock, nice reviews in the newspaper.

By Journey not being the same--you mean as when, 1980? Of course they are not the same. Nothing stays the same. Are you the same as last year? If you are not growing and changing, you are probably dead. Change is good--and particularly if you are afraid of the change (as you seem to be), you should embrace it.

HEY....someone is not happy in LAnsing....from the music columnist at the paper.....a sin against nature? WOW, I couldn;t make that one up and live here. After all these years, it still doesn't feel right

"And what exactly are we paying for with the slew of reunion tours and throwback concerts that make the rounds every summer?

Journey may be the 29th best-selling music group of all time (according to its Web site), but I declare it a sin against nature to call it Journey without Steve Perry. .

I stopped believin’, along with Steve, many years ago.

[NealIsGod]

Then why are you here? Maybe you should visit the VH1 "Where Are They Now" board.

[perryfaithful]

Then why are you here? Maybe you should visit the VH1 "Where Are They Now" board.

Nah......

Why so threatened my man?? Not everyone around the country happens to share your zeal. Are you afraid the other message might erode your confidence or what?

[NealIsGod]

No, my confidence in Journey has weathered the storm of Perry dragging them down through ROR and TBF, so now I can happily support them as they put out fresh, new music. You can keep posting the same old "Journey is not as good without Perry" crap. Yeah, my confidence is sky-high right now... how is yours?

[Eric]

FYI - The following songs are all terrible IMO except Be good to Yourself....LIVE. And I have to concede that "All the Way" was garbage.


"Girl can't help it- Classic
Possitive Touch - Classic
Be good to yourself - Classic
Happy to give - Classic
Raised on radio - Classic
Why can't this night... - Classic"

[NealIsGod]

I like Girl Can't Help It. Other than that, that CD is pop crap IMO. Not Journey at all. I remember seeing posters in record stores just before it came out with Journey sporting new wave haircuts and skinny ties. I knew the record would suck right there.

[LAWoman]

Hmmmm. Sombody wishes Journey weren't doing so well, apparently. Near sell-outs for Irvine & Chula Vista. Sell-out for Tucson. Nice reviews at BT, nice reviews on Melodicrock, nice reviews in the newspaper.

By Journey not being the same--you mean as when, 1980? Of course they are not the same. Nothing stays the same. Are you the same as last year? If you are not growing and changing, you are probably dead. Change is good--and particularly if you are afraid of the change (as you seem to be), you should embrace it.

HEY....someone is not happy in LAnsing....from the music columnist at the paper.....a sin against nature? WOW, I couldn;t make that one up and live here. After all these years, it still doesn't feel right

"And what exactly are we paying for with the slew of reunion tours and throwback concerts that make the rounds every summer?

Journey may be the 29th best-selling music group of all time (according to its Web site), but I declare it a sin against nature to call it Journey without Steve Perry. .

I stopped believin’, along with Steve, many years ago.

Someone in Lansing is not happy? They haven't even played Lansing this tour, so I am not sure on what the columnist would be basing an opinion--except pre-existing prejudice, of course. If the sentence you quoted is the big complaint, well, Perry would be included in that generalization if he was touring, wouldn't he?

Once again (for the millionth time)--if you don't like Journey without Perry, then don't listen to it. Calling it a "sin" is just ridiculous. Creating new music is about as far from sin as you can get--whether you like the music or not. Perry agreed to Journey going on. Why can't you be at peace with that? Are you disagreeing with St. Perry?

[jrnyman28]

"And what exactly are we paying for with the slew of reunion tours and throwback concerts that make the rounds every summer?

Journey may be the 29th best-selling music group of all time (according to its Web site), but I declare it a sin against nature to call it Journey without Steve Perry. .

I stopped believin’, along with Steve, many years ago.

Prejudiced and biased, baseing his opinion solely on the fact that Perry is no longer with Journey. There is NO weight to this guy's statement.

[JourneyTroll]

Now that you showed us off your "quality" as a human being, I have to tell you that I warned you: FUCK OFF!!!

Oooohhh!! Better not let JourneyTroll hear you using that mouth! He is the profanity police here. (Of course, he likes what you are doing so I am sure he will not say anything [except now that I called him on it])!

No Dave. I have class, and I am educated. You might think it is "cool" or funny to have to express yourself with profanity, but I don't.

Feel free to show your kids all the swears on this message board. No wonder they have so many problems since their daddy kisses them with the same mouth that swears all the time.

Journeytroll

[JourneyTroll]

I enjoy bands like The White Stripes, The Killers, Nine Inch Nails and Neil Diamond too!

I care. Glad to hear you respond, JT.

Where can I listen to Generations? [/quotes]

Answered in another thread.

Are any of the songs being played on the radio?

Journeytroll

Some radio stations get advanced copies.

Journeytroll

[Red13JoePa]

Love the album. Ironically enough though it's often pigeonholed as a "Perry solo" album I think it has some of Schon's greatest and most subtle work. And I thought Larry Londin (sacriledge) rocked! Personal Favorites are "It Could Have Been You, I'll Be Alright, Positive Touch, Once You Love Somebody" with PT ruling the album for me. I'd LOVE to hear them do that now on tour. I've heard Augie do I'll Be Alright and he really pulls it off. Bluesy as hell, as Augie can so very cooly be at times.
Neal Is God, the hair WAS horrible at that time. Jon and Perry with the feathered/perm style. Neal in jerrycurls. Almost as bad as the Bad English era look where they went glam and had big hairspray hair and makeup (!). Well not Neal but the others. Waite looked a vampire for chrissake.