Can we get real about the Houston dvd?????????????

[The_Noble_Cause]

I wouldn't mind seeing a performance of Arrival and Generations material from the band, but I just don't want to see anyone but Perry doing the Classic material.

Eh, ur loss.

C'mon guys, Augeri's a good singer, but he can't beat Perry at his peak on that material.

Who cares?
Perry was no longer at his peak when he recorded some of Journey's most enduring classics (BGTY, WYLAW, IBAWY etc.)

I would even rather see Perry now do that material than anyone else even it it didn't sound the same. Augeri doesn't sound the same.

And how exactly would you know?

If Perry were to do the material today(with a conditioned voice) it would just be an arguement about which voice you prefer, not which voice is closer to '81.

If Perry were touring today the only arguments erupting would be consumers w/ ticketmaster to get reimbursed.
The guy's got all the range of my pet goldfish, Seymour.

Neither of them can duplicate The Voice of '81. I would just prefer to hear Perry's soulful depths over Augeri on Classic Journey material.

Keep delluding yourself, deary.
I saw Augeri in September and nobody in the place could tell the difference.
As far as they were all concerned, IT WAS 1981!

[Red13JoePa]

2 things, CougarHead. Escape WAS TOO their zenith. If you wanna quibble w/ me than I'll meet you that ESC/FRont. was a 2 record plateau of zenith.

I believe you that Dallas is gonna beat them both and look immensely forward to it.
Look at that setlist. listen to the way they SOUND this year....

[Rockindeano]

2 things, CougarHead. Escape WAS TOO their zenith. If you wanna quibble w/ me than I'll meet you that ESC/FRont. was a 2 record plateau of zenith.

I believe you that Dallas is gonna beat them both and look immensely forward to it.
Look at that setlist. listen to the way they SOUND this year....

Escape sold 10 million..Frontiers, 6 million.

However, I guarantee you, Journey was more popular in 83 rather than 81. IMO, 81 helped 83.

Listen, Lionqueen,

I saw Journey in the Rose Bowl in 81, and they were great, but a lot of the crowd was still "new" to this band.

FF to 83..Same venue. journey closes..Monster effort. The entire crowd KNOWS who this band was.

OWNED

[Red13JoePa]

Herego, where I'll meecha. A 2 album plateau, one with the unit sales, the other with killer live biz...

[ohsherrie]

Who cares?
Perry was no longer at his peak when he recorded some of Journey's most enduring classics (BGTY, WYLAW, IBAWY etc.)

Exactly, and he still sounded incredible.

I would even rather see Perry now do that material than anyone else even it it didn't sound the same. Augeri doesn't sound the same.

And how exactly would you know?

Because I know Perry's voice and I know there is noone else that can do those songs the way his soul can.

If Perry were touring today the only arguments erupting would be consumers w/ ticketmaster to get reimbursed.

I think you're wrong about that.

Keep delluding yourself, deary.
I saw Augeri in September and nobody in the place could tell the difference.
As far as they were all concerned, IT WAS 1981!

Did you poll the audience to ascertain that information, or is that just your personal opinion? Maybe they were just enjoying the nostalgia factor.

[Rockindeano]

Sherrie, all we want you to do is go to a show and experience it just one time. if you don't like it, I will give you the ticket money back.

And don't tell me you can never get out..You are going to see Jeremy but not the REAL band..no offence J..

[Free]

Wow, I leave for a few hours and it looks like I stirred up a hornet's nest. LOL for those of you who couldn't tell, I was joking. Well, maybe half joking with the retarded stuff.

By the way, I don't honestly think anyone on here is retarded. Good grief. Think about it. However, I totally believe there are some people on here who are in denial about the current line up. Of course it's a good line up. One could make a good argument that it's a top notch line up. But it doesn't match up to the 81 band. How can it? They are in their 40's and 50's now. You will not get the kinda energy you got from the 81 line up simply because of the age factor.

And that was my point. The emotional energy from the 81 line up is something that can never be matched again no matter how much they try.

This gets a little complicated because some folks thought that I meant Perry could still sing like he did in 81. Anybody that's been around since the old board, knows how critical I've been on Perry's voice and on his actions since TBF. For the record, I DO NOT THINK PERRY COULD SOUND AS GOOD AS AUGERI presently.

Now, for the the name calling. I think it was deano that called me the f word. LOL. Come on man. Good grief..............this is just an internet board. Relax man. Like I said, TIS THE SEASON TO BE JOLLY.

[Marabelle]

Disagree.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You will not get the kinda energy you got from the 81 line up simply because of the age factor.

That may be so. However, I still maintain that the band is playing better now than during the Escape era. Y'know, I see alot of up and coming punk acts in my area. Those crazy kids on stage have loads of energy, but they can't play worth a tinkers damn. Energy alone does not a concert make(though it IS vital).

[brandonx76]

Hurry up and respond...my fingers are just twitching.......

AHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahaha!!!

[Rockindeano]

Now, for the the name calling. I think it was deano that called me the f word. LOL. Come on man. Good grief..............this is just an internet board. Relax man. Like I said, TIS THE SEASON TO BE JOLLY.

O shut the fuck up already.

What's the difference in calling someone an adjective based name,(which really isn't real), or calling people tards....which is real.

You are backpedaling faster than Bush, Cheney and Rice combined.

Go back and read your post. For shit's sake, if you are going to start something, at least stick by your guns and carry it out. Don't come back in after 5 hours and say, " I was being sarcastic", bla bla bla. I for one am not buying it.

Yeah, it's a message board, so being a dick is still being a dick.

By the way your argument? Is shit.

Yes, you can and do get better with age. Neal has gotten 5 times better in 25 years. Besides, in 25 years time, you can put out a whole lot of music too..unless you're Steve Perry...that's about 2 CD's per 22 years..

[brandonx76]

And that was my point. The emotional energy from the 81 line up is something that can never be matched again no matter how much they try.

Has anyone seen the 81 show from Japan? I just watched it, and I have to say, while it sounds great (a pretty 'killer' (in Napoleon Dynomite voice) version of Dixie Highway), overall the band has about half the energy of the Houston show...perhaps this was the result of playing in front of a Japanese audience, and Steve being unable to "communicate" with them (just a theory folks) or perhaps it being recorded earlier in the tour... I dunno...but I think Mr. Perry put it best when he referred to the night the Houston show was taped as 'Magical (I think those were his words). I don't know if it's necessarily sloppy, but to me, it's the epitome of a seasoned "band" playing music and having fun at the same time.

Now, for the the name calling. I think it was deano that called me the f word. LOL. Come on man. Good grief..............this is just an internet board. Relax man. Like I said, TIS THE SEASON TO BE JOLLY.

A word of caution...you're messing with the wrong Journey fan.....lol

[Free]

Deano,

You do kinda kill me. If you couldn't tell I was being at least somewhat sarcastic.

You said I wasn't sticking to my guns. OK. Read my response again. I said I totally believe some folks are in denial as i stated from the beginning.

If you want to keep arguing I guess we can. But I'd rather have a meaningful discussion about 81 and the current line up in a respectful tone. How's that sound.

You've called me two names and I doubt you were being sarcastic. Dude, I'm cool about it but please man, calm down a little.

And please don't compare me to Bush. He's probably the worst president we've had. I say that based on him not protecting the borders. However, many could make many more cases as to why he's horrible. And I'm not a liberal and think he's disgusting.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Brandon, I agree with you on the Japanese thing...Hard to communicate, but those fuckers love english speaking performers..Adams is Huge..so is Journey..Hell, remember Cheap trick, live at Budakon?


Another thing, KNOWING this was to be filmed, I am sure they put out a little extra effort, and prolly had a little extra adrenaline too. Not a bad thing, but prolly true.

[r@y]

Hey Brandon, I agree with you on the Japanese thing...Hard to communicate, but those fuckers love english speaking performers..Adams is Huge..so is Journey..Hell, remember Cheap trick, live at Budakon?

Those guys down there in Japaan love EVERYTHING American, man...! Do you have any idea how big TOTO is in Japan...?? The guys play there without fail whenever they do their world tour. Next one being in 2006. Do you have any idea how big BASEBALL is in Japan..??

Cheers.

Ray

[r@y]

Wow, I leave for a few hours and it looks like I stirred up a hornet's nest. LOL for those of you who couldn't tell, I was joking. Well, maybe half joking with the retarded stuff.
.

Free, even half joking on that is not acceptable.

Remember there may be some on this board who have people who are dear to them who are in that condition.

The word you used is a very strong word, Free. Hope you understand.

Cheers.

Ray

[Rockindeano]

Rubiconman, you are correct, and I am more guilty than anyone..However, we are on a message board, and I don't get pissed at being called a tard.

I used to make cancer jokes, until I lost my wife to it at age 24, and now I got the damned stuff..needless to say I don't make cancer jokes anymore.

I am just whistlin pissed at how he comes in, throws a scud around, and leaves, then comes back, and says he din't mean it. F U.

I may be a fucking annoying crazy loon myself, but I bring the truth..the brutal honesty right, 28? 2-1 fucker..

[Free]

Deano,

I'll try one more time. Think about it. Nobody on here who communicates on this board could be retarded. Even if i did call someone retarded on here, I know it ain't true. Is this that hard to understand?

I have never backed away from believing that some are in denial about the current line up. That was my main point. Comparing 81 and current.

I think you are a smart guy and I would like to discuss with you why you think this current line up is better.

Talk about having to be careful what you say. WOW

[Marabelle]

oh just be yourself and let others get to know the person you are. some times things are taken out of context and people misunderstand when you are making light of something or are serious. it was in bad taste. but, hey life goes on and just keep posting and let the chips fall as they may. just
post whatever it is you wish and let us make up our minds on what it is
we think we hear you saying.

[Rockindeano]

Free, it wasn't me complaining..that was Rubiconman..

Me complaining would be a little hypocritical dont you think?


Now, in regards to the current lineup...It is better. some reasons


1) They sound tighter than a ducks' ass
2) They enjoy being together
3) They actually tour!
4) They have matured
5) They all know their roles


Now, that 81 Classic lineup throttled up and kicked ass. I got into with some Styx tards, who claim Twigs classic, was better than Journey..I almost pissed myself from laughing so hard. That Classic Journey could defeat any band...

Just now tho, you have 5 capable guys, who are STILL playing, and they don't just "get through" the set, they excel, and leave you going, "shit! That was fuckin awesome! are they playin again tomorrow cuz I want to see that again!"

[Free]

Interesting. I believe what you say about the current line up is true. However, I just do not see how they could come close in displaying the energy that 81 did.

I mean, in 81 you had a band that had a misssion and momentum was on their side. They had no idea how good they could be. The sky was the limit then.

But now, you got 50 year olds knowing that they probably never have a song on the radio again and that this is probably as good as it will get for them.

There just is not potential for Journey now. In 81, the sky was the limit and because of that you could sense that kinda energy coming from the band.

Just my thoughts. Oh and as much as i can't stand Perry now, he was IT then.

[Rockindeano]

I agree with most of that, Freebird..

BUT, as 50 yr olds, they're probably in better shape than most of us...

and they are playing 3 hours a night.....that says something for the way they took care of themselves, and how professional they really are.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Interesting. I believe what you say about the current line up is true. However, I just do not see how they could come close in displaying the energy that 81 did.

Energy, Shmenergy.
They are still playing better today than they ever did in the past.

[Rockindeano]

One more thing..

I would put Current Journey up against classic Styx or REO....

[cubby69]

HOTS, NO one here is saying Houston 81 is not awesome...It is...Only Cubby would have a problem, you know, that dude is old school and proud..so be it.

You got that shit right.

[Rockindeano]

HOTS, NO one here is saying Houston 81 is not awesome...It is...Only Cubby would have a problem, you know, that dude is old school and proud..so be it.

You got that shit right.

Cubby, I have this amazing acapella of Open Arms boot..you NEED to hear this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

HOTS, NO one here is saying Houston 81 is not awesome...It is...Only Cubby would have a problem, you know, that dude is old school and proud..so be it.

You got that shit right.

Cubby, I have this amazing acapella of Open Arms boot..you NEED to hear this.

When was this done?
soundcheck?

[Rockindeano]

yeah, but it was intended to be a slap at the Cubbster..

[The_Noble_Cause]

yeah, but it was intended to be a slap at the Cubbster..

I got the joke, I still wanna hear the accapello version though.

[Fernando Ramirez]

Interesting. I believe what you say about the current line up is true. However, I just do not see how they could come close in displaying the energy that 81 did.

I mean, in 81 you had a band that had a misssion and momentum was on their side. They had no idea how good they could be. The sky was the limit then.

But now, you got 50 year olds knowing that they probably never have a song on the radio again and that this is probably as good as it will get for them.

There just is not potential for Journey now. In 81, the sky was the limit and because of that you could sense that kinda energy coming from the band.

Just my thoughts. Oh and as much as i can't stand Perry now, he was IT then.

Damn, FREE, you represent ageism at its worst. I hope you, FREE, are not discarded at 50 like you seem to have discarded Journey. Have you HEARD Generations? Damn, that album rocks HARD... seasoned veterans letting loose. You can only get that good when you've got years of experience under your belt.

Journey still has a mission.... it's clear you're not aboard. You are too busy playing the Journey as LOGAN's RUN game.