re: Souls SirkUS/$300,000

[NealIsGod]

And NOBODY in Journey lashed out like that even when he accused Journey's management and their conflict of interest as SS' reason for limited success.

True dat!

[jestor92]

God knows "Believe in Me", "Comin Home", and "Soul Goes on" blows away some of the stuff on Generations. I'm probably going to ruffle some feathers, but I think the SirkUS is a better cd than Generations.

I want some of what he's smokin'!

I forget where I read it from, but Neal said that a lot of the SirkUS songs and songs that would become "Out of Harms Way", and "Faith In the Heartland" were all written around the same time, he was quoted as saying there were around "20 or so" songs that he wrote including the aforementioned.

By the way you can have Butterfly, Believe, In Self Defense (kinda sad he has to cover a song to put on the new Journey cd that he sings, plus I'm not a fan of covers). I'd gladly take "Believe In Me", "Soul Goes On", and "Comin Home" In their places.


As for the money thing, I know Neal put his own money into it, but the amount lost should still be kept in private, all he has to do it say "I'm hesitant on doing another record with Soul SirkUS right now because we lost a substantial amount of money."

[jrnyman28]

2nd, for him to talk to Hagar about reuniting Planet US to me is total BS and a total knife stab in the back to JSS, and the rest of the SirkUS,

Why?

FIRST, Neal could have been talking about HSAS! He could have simply been talking about working with Sammy again.

SECOND, Why couldn't there be room for Soul SirkUS AND PlanetUS? Sure Soul SirkUS came about because, but that does not mean this is the SAME BAND.

IMO the only thing that Neal could (not even should, but it would have been nice) have done is tell JSS first.

It sounds like Neal may have had a reality check concerning SS. Due to the financial problems, and maybe some 'coaching' from others (like HH, or Journey mgmt) Neal could be seeing that SS will never accomplish what he had hoped so he is looking for something else. We all know that Neal has a good relationship with Sammy. We know that Sammy has good name recognition without overshadowing his 'partners'. Working with Sammy again could go a long way to 'making that name' for Neal. It is unfortunate that he is so worried about that, that he is hurting other relationships.

[jrnyman28]

I forget where I read it from, but Neal said that a lot of the SirkUS songs and songs that would become "Out of Harms Way", and "Faith In the Heartland" were all written around the same time, he was quoted as saying there were around "20 or so" songs that he wrote including the aforementioned.

Yep, all written in anticipation of Planet US! Which leads us back to why we were upset at the attention Neal was giving to his 'side projets'. He could 'knock out' all these songs in a short period of time for OTHER bands, but nothing for journey. In the end, several of them ended up with Journey after all. And they sound great. Maybe Neal realizes that he can indeed write 'this kind' of music FOR Journey instead of feeling limited BY Journey.

By the way you can have Butterfly, Believe,

Oh, I think if the band had actually worked those songs a little more, had Jon contributed his talents to some lyrics, they would have ended up solid tunes. They have a solid foundation, they just needed to be fleshed out more.

In Self Defense (kinda sad he has to cover a song to put on the new Journey cd that he sings, plus I'm not a fan of covers).

Again, another sign of "hurrying" this CD. I agree that a different song would have been better. I like the song, but why couldn't we have another original tune?

I'd gladly take "Believe In Me", "Soul Goes On", and "Comin Home" In their places.

I agree.

As for the money thing, I know Neal put his own money into it, but the amount lost should still be kept in private, all he has to do it say "I'm hesitant on doing another record with Soul SirkUS right now because we lost a substantial amount of money."

Sure it could have ben worded better...but that is Neal's problem. He doesn't sugar-coat anything. He shoots straight and tells it like it is. That has always been a problem with Neal...

[NealIsGod]

Sure it could have ben worded better...but that is Neal's problem. He doesn't sugar-coat anything. He shoots straight and tells it like it is. That has always been a problem with Neal...

Being honest and truthful is a PROBLEM?

[jrnyman28]

Sure it could have ben worded better...but that is Neal's problem. He doesn't sugar-coat anything. He shoots straight and tells it like it is. That has always been a problem with Neal...

Being honest and truthful is a PROBLEM?

It is from a PR POV. Another example of why I think Neal should not speak publicly about almost anything (from the PR side of things). He always finds a way to say something that can hurt his/Journey's image. Whether it was about Perry, about Journey, about fans, about money, about Meet&Greets, etc he could word things better to not hurt his/their image.

I personally LIKE when Neal talks to us because we get his honest feelings. But for the band, and his effort to become a household name, it can be damaging...

[PROPERRY]

Jon was really attentive and thoughtful and I can't say enough about Steve's affability. I even got to knuckle punch the dude!

Good thing that wasn't Perry, or else you may have broken his shoulder!

Or be cussed out for touching him, thrown in jail, and thrown out of the event-ERIC

Eric,

Have you ever met Steve Perry in person?

While I don't think Perry is a "perfect person" & I'm sure at times he may not have always been in the mood to deal with fans & sign autographs, but I certainly don't think Perry would ever react the way you described above about him toward the fans.

Lori

[NealIsGod]

Yeah, Eric. Maybe you're confusing him with Russell Crowe?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Eric,

Have you ever met Steve Perry in person?

Have you?

[jrnyman28]

Perry could not behave like that because he never stuck around after the show...

[PROPERRY]

Sure it could have ben worded better...but that is Neal's problem. He doesn't sugar-coat anything. He shoots straight and tells it like it is. That has always been a problem with Neal...

Being honest and truthful is a PROBLEM?

I think always being honest & truthful can be harmful to Neal's image & ultimately hurt the band's image as well. Neal saying he doesn't like to do those meet & greets is like telling the fans he isn't interested in talking to them.

The fans are the people who go to his concerts & buy his music. Correct me if I'm wrong , but wasn't it the fans or the Journey's fan club that pushed & helped get the star at Hollywood Walk of Fame & the star in SF too?

I just think Neal should keep certain feelings to himself, especially those feeling that deal directly with the fans. That my opinion on it anyway.

Lori

[Red13JoePa]

I'd like to meet Augeri instead. I'd clap him on the back and hand him a bill for blowing out my speakers on those notes in Believe.

[NealIsGod]

I'd like to meet Augeri instead. I'd clap him on the back and hand him a bill for blowing out my speakers on those notes in Believe.

I'm sure TNC would like to slap him on the back for Believe, too! But not in a good way!

[Red13JoePa]

Might be Augie's best vocal on the record. Better Together is an underrated Augeri voc too.
TNC, all I hear now when I listen to it is "MMUUUSSSSTTTTAAAANNNNGGGG!!!!"

What am I talking about, actually? TPIYH is his finest ever vocal hour.

[The_Noble_Cause]

C'mon guys, quit fooling yourselves. The song outright sucks.
Steve's vocals are great and so is Neal's guitar work, but it still doesn't gel.
Our man Andrew has heard more melodic rock than any known man in the universe and he will be the first to tell you that the tune is crud.

[PROPERRY]

Perry could not behave like that because he never stuck around after the show...

It is probaly true that Perry didn't show around after all the shows, but he may have done it for some of the shows, I know that in the FTLOSM Band, it was said he did the greet & meets after the shows.

But really Jrnyman you shouldn't be too hard on Perry for not sticking around after the show because I believe you told me you never even seen Journey when Perry was performing with the band.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, all I hear now when I listen to it is "MMUUUSSSSTTTTAAAANNNNGGGG!!!!"

Be sure to try to catch it on "Wild on the Run" (from Tall Stories) and "Rawthigh" (from Shine), also.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But really Jrnyman you shouldn't be too hard on Perry for not sticking around after the show because I believe you told me you never even seen Journey when Perry was performing with the band.

WTF? What does that matter?
Why are you now impugning Dave's Journey fan credentials?
Hi Senator Josephy McCarthy. How are you today?

[PROPERRY]

Eric,

Have you ever met Steve Perry in person?

Have you?

No, I've never had the opportunity to meet Perry in person, but I've seen him perform with Journey three times & those concerts were truly outstanding performances!

I don't know how to get back stage passes or even be in the know of someoone else who would know how to get the back stage passes either.

Lori

[NealIsGod]

I don't know how to get back stage passes or even be in the know of someoone else who would know how to get the back stage passes either.

Deano can teach you.

[Red13JoePa]

C'mon guys, quit fooling yourselves. The song outright sucks.
Steve's vocals are great and so is Neal's guitar work, but it still doesn't gel.
Our man Andrew has heard more melodic rock than any known man in the universe and he will be the first to tell you that the tune is crud.

More TNC opinions masquerading as irrefutable, incontrovertible, infalible, FACT on Believe!!!! I love the song. The keyboard part is repetive, yes. I can appreciate your stance on that. But I feel it's by design for a song that didn't call for changes lile Elton John's Funeral For A Friend or something. It's no more repetitive than the one on The Party's Over. It's just more upfront and audible. Andrew thinks it's crud, too?

[Marabelle]

Perry has done meet and greet after his shows. There are pictures where he is greeting the fans. But...this isn't about SP anyway, it's about Neal
and Soul Sirkus. I do like Neal's candor and honesty when he speaks but
he always sounds like he's never quite sure what he is supposed to be
doing and with whom. He decided long ago Journey was the band he was
going to put as his top priority then he gets side tracked on these other projects and eventually after all his time, his effort and his money he realizes he has strayed too far from home.

[Abitaman]

Have I seen Steve Perry in Person? Yes, but not up close. He did have someone throw out of the show in Memphis, TN on the ROR tour, that was sitting a couple rows in front.-ERIC

[yak]

Personally the more and more I read about Neal Schon the more I'm disliking him.

1st you don't go out in public about the SirkUS's money problems, that's the bands buisness, keep it internal

So what are you saying should happen? They should pretend that everything's A-OK, and let the fans wonder what happened to Soul Sirkus? Like Journey did when the band was having all those internal problems with Perry, and the newsletter kept saying "The album is coming along nicely" when in reality the album (which turned out to be ROR) wasn't even being worked on. Things didn't start moving until Perry fired Smitty and Ross, and got his own way. Same for TBF. Shrouding everything in secrecy never has a positive outcome. All hell was breaking loose and the fans didn't know why. The repercussions from that one go on to this day.

You can think whatever you wish about Neal. I respect honesty, no matter what. At least Journey fans know they can get that from Neal.

[jrnyman28]

But really Jrnyman you shouldn't be too hard on Perry for not sticking around after the show because I believe you told me you never even seen Journey when Perry was performing with the band.

Lori

Well, it is true that I did not see Perry with Journey. I did see him on te FTLOSM Tour. None of this has anything to do with his performance with the band, so whether I saw them together or not is irrelevant to the thread.

However, I was being a little sarcastic, referring simply to the BTM statement about the joke "Elvis has left the building". That, I am sure, was referring to a specific timeframe of the band and not indicative of perry's entire career with the band. I am sure he did do Meet&Greets with the band at times...

[yak]

Perry could not behave like that because he never stuck around after the show...

TRUE statement, that one is!

He may have done one or two M&Gs before FTLOSM shows, where he could reign free, but he said in print he didn't like them because he didn't want to catch anything from anybody.

[Marabelle]

Even I know that's not the entire truth.

[NealIsGod]

Even I know that's not the entire truth.

Enlighten us.

[PROPERRY]

Perry could not behave like that because he never stuck around after the show...

TRUE statement, that one is!

He may have done one or two M&Gs before FTLOSM shows, where he could reign free, but he said in print he didn't like them because he didn't want to catch anything from anybody.

Well Perry was the singer, so it is understandable that he had to make sure to stay healthy, so he could continue to give those kind of outstanding performances at the shows.

Plus he may have not attended all the greet & meets so he could give his voice a rest (by not talking) as well. I think I read that somewhere about him, don't know where to find it though.

Lori

[Abitaman]

Deano, start a post teaching us how to backstage passes please -ERIC