JIM STEINMAN

[Rockindeano]

An Arrival vs. TBF poll would settle this, guys...

How so? I can tell you already the outcome.

Arrival= NIG, 13 and possibly GayDave.

TBF= Me, Trag, and Ray

See? done.

[Red13JoePa]

An Arrival vs. TBF poll would settle this, guys...

How so? I can tell you already the outcome.

Arrival= NIG, 13 and possibly GayDave.

TBF= Me, Trag, and Ray

See? done.

Now you think TBF is better than Arvl? Why the change in the way you hear these albums, if I may be so bold

[SF-Dano]

You can count me on the Arrival side. Just my opinion, I liked the songs better overall than the tunes on TBF. I do pull out TBF every once in awhile, maybe 5-6 tunes I like on that record, and 3 that I really like.

Arrival, I would say I really enjoy the whole CD except for maybe 2 songs and those are not that bad either.

Just my taste and opinion.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I like both albums.
I think the ballads are better written on TBF.
Both albums have strong rock tracks.
Arrival only gets the edge in my book because it features more rock tracks than TBF.

[Rockindeano]

I like both albums.
I think the ballads are better written on TBF.
Both albums have strong rock tracks.
Arrival only gets the edge in my book because it features more rock tracks than TBF.

It does?

Higher Place, To Be Alive Again, Nothin Comes Close, and I've Got a Reason and World gone Wild

vs

Message of Love, One More, Can't Tame a Lion, Colors of the Spirit and Castles Burnin.

Pretty even if you ask me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It does?

Higher Place, To Be Alive Again, Nothin Comes Close, and I've Got a Reason and World gone Wild

You've omitted "All the Things I Love About You" (which, incidentally, I don't even like). You've also excluded the very up-tempo "Signs of Life". As lyrically sappy as it may be, "All the Way" is also up tempo and has some nice guitar work from Schon. Perhaps I mispoke. Maybe it's not the amount of rockers that makes the difference, Arrival simply has more up-tempo feel good toe-tappers than TBF.
TBF is bogged down with pensive balladry.

[NoMoreTails]

Message of Love, One More, Can't Tame a Lion, Colors of the Spirit and Castles Burnin.

Pretty even if you ask me.

Colors of the Spirit is a rocker??

[jrnyman28]

Message of Love, One More, Can't Tame a Lion, Colors of the Spirit and Castles Burnin.

Pretty even if you ask me.

Colors of the Spirit is a rocker??

Ditto?!

[Big J]

Here's another kicker. COTS, CB and CTTL suck!

Count me in for Arrival too. Damned fine album.

[Red13JoePa]

COTS, not a rocker per se (brilliant Neal solo though) but uptempo, nonetheless.
We can divide it up simpler. Into Uptempo and ballads. Arrival's more still more uptempo.

[r@y]

I like both albums.
I think the ballads are better written on TBF.
Both albums have strong rock tracks.
Arrival only gets the edge in my book because it features more rock tracks than TBF.

I agree.

See, thats what I am saying...Arrival and TBF are both good albums in its own way....I just don't agree that 'track for track' Arrival is better than TBF. Thats like saying there is no single song on TBF thats better than Arrival and vice versa..? C'mon....

Well, to each his own....



Ray

[cubby69]

I like both albums.
I think the ballads are better written on TBF.
Both albums have strong rock tracks.
Arrival only gets the edge in my book because it features more rock tracks than TBF.

I agree.

See, thats what I am saying...Arrival and TBF are both good albums in its own way....I just don't agree that 'track for track' Arrival is better than TBF. Thats like saying there is no single song on TBF thats better than Arrival and vice versa..? C'mon....

Ray

Couldn't agree with you more guys, I don't care so much about how many 'uptempo' songs there are versus rock songs. I care about the quality of the songs themselves and lets be honest. Arrivals ballads are crap, both albums are ballad heavy, but at least with TBF, even the ballads are pretty kick ass. My other main problem with Arrival it is a contrived album, its what Sony thinks the world wants from Journey and I think in the end it fell way short of a quality Journey album. It does have some great songs on it, but overall, its just sub par. Or maybe thats just me.

[Vladan]

Are you on drugs? ROR is by far the WORST Perry era Journey album ever. So much so, it basically was a Perry solo album listed as a Journey album. While there are a couple of songs that actually liked, overall it sucked BIG TIME!

Alot of people dislike ROR. Still, it has some of the best vocals, if not the best on any Journey album to date, in my opinion.

LOL

But I have to agree with ya, Cubby....whilst Arrival is a good album, but to say that it beats TBF track by track is a little far fetched...


Ray

I reckon "When You Love A Woman is better. Personally I don't like "Higher Place" that much. I really like Arrival though, my CD is worn out from over use, its crazy.

[Jeremey]

Wow...Jim Steinman in my opinion would be a HORRIBLE choice for a Journey collaboration....I know it's a matter of personal taste, but I've never ever taken anything he's done seriously. Meat Loaf, Celine Dion, Air Supply....echhghh....This is the guy responsible for the pop gem "Objects in the Rear View Mirror (May Appear Closer Than They Are)"!!!

Also, how did this thread become a Trial By Fire versus Arrival thread?

[Abitaman]

An Arrival vs. TBF poll would settle this, guys...

How so? I can tell you already the outcome.

Arrival= NIG, 13 and possibly GayDave.

TBF= Me, Trag, and Ray

See? done.

Sorry I'm coming late on this, Had to out the old computer, put in the new, had problems with Norton (my fault on that), and was not able to get on line for any real period of time this past week.

But I think Arrival is far better than TBF, FAR BETTER!!!!!-ERIC

[Abitaman]

If I had to pick a producer, it would be the "MUTT" himself-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

Damn ERIC, does your new computer have built in Spell check? I am blown away..2 posts and not a single error.

Now, I will say you all who think Arrival is better than TBF are full of shit. You are all entitled to your opinions, no matter how wrong they are.

I have thrown all my post TBF stuff away. Can't spin anything with Augeri on it.

[Abitaman]

Damn ERIC, does your new computer have built in Spell check? I am blown away..2 posts and not a single error.

Now, I will say you all who think Arrival is better than TBF are full of shit. You are all entitled to your opinions, no matter how wrong they are.

I have thrown all my post TBF stuff away. Can't spin anything with Augeri on it.

I have you know, I am NOT full of crap. I just got in from Jackson, TN and took a good long crap before sitting down at the computer. . Why yes it has spell check, thank you for noticing.-ERIC

[Abitaman]

Also, RD, and 28 I need your address, since you two did not get this last package. I saved them (address) on my computer so I would have to keep asking for them every time I would forget to save when deleting Pms. But with the old computer down, I can't get your address to re mail packages.-ERIC

[r@y]

Also, how did this thread become a Trial By Fire versus Arrival thread?

Dude, I was about to ask the same thing...


Ray

[NealIsGod]

Now, I will say you all who think Arrival is better than TBF are full of shit. You are all entitled to your opinions, no matter how wrong they are.

Deano, even your idol hates TBF...

CRR: What did you think about Trial By Fire?

Herbie: Monotone. If you can tell me where I missed the lift off -- it just never went anywhere. Not one song ever started somewhere and went somewhere, and that’s what Journey was all about. Let’s take it and take it higher and if you want to come back to earth with it fine but go somewhere first. It just never launched or got off the ground.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Deano, even your idol hates TBF...

Go read his previous interview, "Castles Burning".
In it, he didn't seem too enthusiastic about "Arrival" either.

http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/

[NealIsGod]

Deano, even your idol hates TBF...

Go read his previous interview, "Castles Burning".
In it, he didn't seem too enthusiastic about "Arrival" either.

http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/

Herbie seems to think everything is shit unless he was behind it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Herbie seems to think everything is shit unless he was behind it.

I don't think that's true.
He proclaimed Neal's album, "Voice" to be brilliant, and that was before it was nominated for a grammy.
He also spoke highly of Rolie's last album "Roots".

[Jeremey]

Herbie seems to think everything is shit unless he was behind it.

I don't think that's true.
He proclaimed Neal's album, "Voice" to be brilliant, and that was before it was nominated for a grammy.
He also spoke highly of Rolie's last album "Roots".

I think a more accurate assessment would be that Herbie seems to think everything that Journey did was shit unless he was behind it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think a more accurate assessment would be that Herbie seems to think everything that Journey did was shit unless he was behind it.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Rockindeano]

Herbie is correct.

It is all shit, because he isn't behind it.

NIG, I said TBF was BETTER than Arrival..I didn't say it was the best CD ever made.

[drummer]

i love Jim Steinman's work but i have to agree with the other posts, Jim's style doesn't really mesh with Journey. the great thing about Jim is that he can come up with some funny long ass song titles.
some off the top of my head: Loving You's a Dirty Job But Somebody's Gotta do it, Good Girls Go to Heaven But the Bad Girls Go Everywhere, Life is a Lemon and I Want My Money Back, and of course - I'd Do Anything for Love But I Won't Do That.

anyway, last I heard, he stepped down as producer of Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell III because of health problems.

Wow...Jim Steinman in my opinion would be a HORRIBLE choice for a Journey collaboration....I know it's a matter of personal taste, but I've never ever taken anything he's done seriously. Meat Loaf, Celine Dion, Air Supply....echhghh....This is the guy responsible for the pop gem "Objects in the Rear View Mirror (May Appear Closer Than They Are)"!!!

Also, how did this thread become a Trial By Fire versus Arrival thread?

[NealIsGod]

i love Jim Steinman's work but i have to agree with the other posts, Jim's style doesn't really mesh with Journey. the great thing about Jim is that he can come up with some funny long ass song titles.

Didn't Steinman come up with "Drop Kick Me Jesus Through the Goal Posts of Life"?