*WHEW!* It's FINALLY Out:

[Paul_UK]

I feel very uncomfortable at these accusations that have come to light in the forum today. If this is true then i'm truly saddened that the band have come to this, however I refuse to believe the word of just hearsay and rumour and prefer to wait until there's something more concrete regarding this.

Don't get me wrong, thats not to say that i think the two people that mentioned this are liars, why would they, i just prefer to hear these things from a source closer to the band.

[NealIsGod]

Don't think for one second that Perry wouldn't need some pre-recorded help if he were to ever tour again. You know he would.

[Abitaman]

Don't think for one second that Perry wouldn't need some pre-recorded help if he were to ever tour again. You know he would.

He had help on tour ever since Escape. He said so in the dvd interview. It was on the chorus of the songs. And used a click track. Sound like someone else?-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

He had help on tour ever since Escape.

You seriously need a brain. Perry NEVER needed help.

He said so in the dvd interview. It was on the chorus of the songs. And used a click track. Sound like someone else?-ERIC

The backing track was for chorus....Uh, chorus, dude. That means backup singers needed the help, not Perry. Jesus Christ!

[heardonthestreet]

If there is any truth to this, I'm sure that word will get around and the concert goers will watch for any lip work, and I'm sure that the def Leppard fans on this board who attend the upcoming concerts will react, if this rumor is true.

You attended so many concerts last year, Dean. You would have noticed if this was going on, right?

[Rockindeano]

You attended so many concerts last year, Dean. You would have noticed if this was going on, right?

HOTS, it's harder to see live....Plus it's so loud.

But yeah, it's obvious.

Look, for those of you "new posters" hint, hint, Mr. Awesome can do no wrong. He could rob a bank and you freaks would defend him and praise him.

Now here's the kicker. I don't blame Augeri alone. There are others to blame as well.

[Abitaman]

He had help on tour ever since Escape.

You seriously need a brain. Perry NEVER needed help.

He said so in the dvd interview. It was on the chorus of the songs. And used a click track. Sound like someone else?-ERIC

The backing track was for chorus....Uh, chorus, dude. That means backup singers needed the help, not Perry. Jesus Christ!

It is easier to correct spelling, than attitude dude. Perry needs help, you need help, I need help, we all need help. So what is your point. Heck what's mine?
Yeah, Perry is not Jesus, stop acting like he his.-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

I don't blame Augeri alone. There are others to blame as well.

That's the kicker, right there. I am not a blind follower of Journey or Steve, but I do not point the finger at Steve for this. I would like to think that he probably wanted to handle this differently (yes, that could just be wishful thinking). But I find it very easy to believe that Neal (and most likely Jon) made the decision and 'coerced' Steve to follow through with it.

[Rockindeano]

IF this is true, I blame the whole goddamned bunch. Look, to do this, requires silencio on everyone involved. Deen, Ross, Cain and Elso/soundtech....this whole thing reeks.

For the first time in my entire life, I HOPE I AM WRONG.

[Abitaman]

IF this is true, I blame the whole goddamned bunch. Look, to do this, requires silencio on everyone involved. Deen, Ross, Cain and Elso/soundtech....this whole thing reeks.

For the first time in my entire life, I HOPE I AM WRONG.

I think you are, to the degree that your saying-ERIC

[NealIsGod]

For the first time in my entire life, I HOPE I AM WRONG.

Do you? If so, then let's stop harping on it.

[Abitaman]

For the first time in my entire life, I HOPE I AM WRONG.

Do you? If so, then let's stop harping on it.

I 100% agree, Enough is Enough

[SF-Dano]

Here is what I am still not getting: Deano, you have repeatedly said that you have several boots from the last tour, and that SA sounded terrible on all of them.

If he is mouthing the whole concert to a tape, shouldn' t he sound good?

Not trying to be an ass, just trying to get the whole story.

[Rockindeano]

Two things.

1) NIG, I am NOT harping on anything. Certain people gave me an ultimatum.."spill it or shut it." I chose to spill it.

2) Dano, and everyone else. It's very complicated. He sounded like William Hung the first week....awful..Then miracuously was improved 10 fold.

The rest I cant share publicly.

[jrnyman28]

Two things.

1) NIG, I am NOT harping on anything. Certain people gave me an ultimatum.."spill it or shut it." I chose to spill it.

I think what he means is that, now that it is spilled, can we just drop it? No more hints, no more allegations, no more heat.

2) Dano, and everyone else. It's very complicated. He sounded like William Hung the first week....awful..Then miracuously was improved 10 fold.

Well, I would not say Steve improved "suddenly". But it was reported that that Steve's coach was flying out to help Steve with some issues AND that Steve had a cold/flu/illness (I don't remember which). Getting over the "flu" AND have his coach offer suggestions on ways to help the effects would both lead to an improvement.

The rest I cant share publicly.

These are the statements that hang most of us up. You continue to offer up that 'there is more' but that you cannot tell. Yet you also said you "spilled it". Apparantly you did not spill it all. If you have already 'said too much' than what is it going to hurt to spill ALL of it? Sadly, it is these statements that keep this going...

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On an entirely unrelated note I thought I would share what I thought was a moment of levity courtesy of BT. One of the BT members decided to 'leave' and had to cause a ruckus while doing so. What struck me funny was his description of BT. This poster made it sound like BT was the most evil site in the world where all the bashing and head games got old. I chuckled because "we" here describe BT as sterile, fluffy, rah-rah BS and this guy was getting offended....

[Rockindeano]

Dave, you know what, you are right. I am in a tough spot here. To be honest, I am not sure exactly how to deal with it, so I thought I would go the "honesty route." Lot of good that's done me, eh?

Ok, so, reading your directive, here is my well thought out "theory."

I was at Irvine, CA, last year, opening night. It was downright embarrassing. My girlfriend at the time was even laughing at me for supporting them. She loves Neal and the musicianship, but Jesus was she ever right.

I boldly defended Augeri's voice as decent and chalked it up to first night rust, jitters, whatever.

After about a week or so on the road, after the "doctor flying out" line, was thrown at us, be it correct or a lie, Augeri improved significantly. Now Dave you say, or blindly follow the thinking that certain meds and a doctors' visit cured Mr Augeri. Well Dave, I dug deeper. Believe whatever you will, but I dug, and listened, and listened some more, and broke down tape. I will tell you this. I even know the EXACT show they lip from....

I just think they should've done things differently. Cancelling the 30th anniversary tour would be terrible so they made do with it, and got through it. I am even alright with this. However, as of last month, when the televised Chile came up, and the concert was to air, they were stuck in a tough spot...what if it was obvious? What if people saw this and saw mistakes? so they made up some cockameiny story about pnuemonia(IMO), and here is why I don't necessarily buy it...

"Steve is battling pnuemonia and we are disheartened to tell you we have to cancel our Chile show' or something to that effect. Now, I was going to believe that, until the very next week, Journey played a private gig out on Hawaii. Hmm, cured from pnuemonia in a week, eh? Fuck, maybe Journey's doctor's should enlarge they're practice and afflict their magical medicine on the rest of the world. See, what Journey doesn't get is this....they have more fans than Back Talk nation. BT nation will DO ANYTHING the band tells them to. However, aside from those people, other fans aren't as blindly following. I being one of them. I hasten to say that I am the most hated person on BT, and no, I am not proud of it, but my conviction tells me to do this.

On your question of "sounding bad and sounding good?" Easy one

He sings the back end of all songs for about 10-20 seconds(badly I might add), and occasionally the middle of a few( I know which ones).

Now let me ask you all this. If a dumbass like myself, can figure this out, are Journey's brains this stupid to think nobody in the music world would ever know? Do they not know major magazine writers and columnists go to their shows? Perhaps get their boots?

Last comment publicly on this, and I mean it:

This HURTS me more than anyone here will know. As most of you know, I have wholeheartedly supported post 98 Journey, and only late last year have begun to sour. Well, now I am officially soured. Does my spearheaded charge to bring Perry back have something to do with this to be sure, however, don't try to link that with my disdain for current Journey right now.

My girlfriend(whom I stole away from BT), and I get along all the time great, except when this ugly monster raises its' head. It has taken a toll on my sanity, my calmness, and my desire to believe anything or anyone ever again.

Shame on these people.

[perryfaithful]

My girlfriend(whom I stole away from BT)

You STOLE a girlfriend from BT? Who would that be??

[jrnyman28]

Ok, so, reading your directive, here is my well thought out "theory."

Directive? I never told you what to do.

After about a week or so on the road, after the "doctor flying out" line, was thrown at us, be it correct or a lie, Augeri improved significantly. Now Dave you say, or blindly follow the thinking that certain meds and a doctors' visit cured Mr Augeri.

I never mentioned meds. But I do believe that getting over his ailment AND the aid of his coach could have helpped.

Well Dave, I dug deeper. Believe whatever you will, but I dug, and listened, and listened some more, and broke down tape. I will tell you this. I even know the EXACT show they lip from....

I guess this is where you lose me. Because I just wouldn't take that kind of time over this. But that is fine.

I just think they should've done things differently. Cancelling the 30th anniversary tour would be terrible so they made do with it, and got through it. I am even alright with this.

I completely agree that things should have been handled differently. In fact, I do NOT think this is an acceptable solution if it truly is to the extent you say.

However, as of last month, when the televised Chile came up, and the concert was to air, they were stuck in a tough spot...what if it was obvious? What if people saw this and saw mistakes? so they made up some cockameiny story about pnuemonia(IMO),

That was actually back in February. And I also believe the pnuemonia story is likely BS. But PR giving a less ugly explanation happens all the time. I am OK with that and I think it was the right thing to do.

and here is why I don't necessarily buy it...

"Steve is battling pnuemonia and we are disheartened to tell you we have to cancel our Chile show' or something to that effect. Now, I was going to believe that, until the very next week, Journey played a private gig out on Hawaii. Hmm, cured from pnuemonia in a week, eh?

A) I thought is was a little more than a week.
B)Steve could have been "battling pnuemonia" for quite a while before that. He could have been on the tail end of it. The time frame likely was not ONLY a week.

what Journey doesn't get is this....they have more fans than Back Talk nation. BT nation will DO ANYTHING the band tells them to. However, aside from those people, other fans aren't as blindly following. I being one of them.

I agree.

I hasten to say that I am the most hated person on BT, and no, I am not proud of it, but my conviction tells me to do this.

I doubt that. I really don't think most people at BT care about you. I would actually say Rich is the most hated. Just a guess, sorry to burst your bubble...

Now let me ask you all this. If a dumbass like myself, can figure this out, are Journey's brains this stupid to think nobody in the music world would ever know? Do they not know major magazine writers and columnists go to their shows? Perhaps get their boots?

So why haven't they? There has been plenty of time.

Last comment publicly on this, and I mean it:

Not to try and drag anything out of you, but I doubt that too. With your obvious contempt and your constant little jabs I doubt this is over. But if it is, I am good with that.

This HURTS me more than anyone here will know. As most of you know, I have wholeheartedly supported post 98 Journey, and only late last year have begun to sour.

Did you retro back to the Main Event during your investigation then?

My girlfriend(whom I stole away from BT),

Proud?

Thank you for spelling it out more. I am not sure this will help or hurt anything else but it's off your chest. Maybe you will feel better (less burdened).

[jrnyman28]

My girlfriend(whom I stole away from BT)

You STOLE a girlfriend from BT? Who would that be??

Out of everything Deano said, THAT is what you chose to talk about???? And you claim to want to talk about Journey. I would have thought this post would have been huge fodder for you....

[perryfaithful]

. I would have thought this post would have been huge fodder for you....

How wrong you are

[LAWoman]

This is old news. The topic of lip synching was brought last year on BT after the the WOF show at the HOB. Susan, Dean's sister, answered it. All I can say is that if Steve is lip synching all the time, why does he mess up the lyrics on a regular basis? They may use some backing and fill tracks, but Steve is obviously singing. But then again maybe I have just been deafened by Neal's amps.

[Argus]

My girlfriend(whom I stole away from BT)

You STOLE a girlfriend from BT? Who would that be??

Say it ain't so, Lula

[Seven Wishes]

Augieri has done a tremendous job, all things considered, and he is a hell of a guy. He doesn't strike me as a BS artist, and I can't imagine Neal, Ross, or Jon advocating dubbing or lip synching.

That being said, can someone tell me why fucking BLONDIE and the MAMAS AND THE PAPAS were first-ballot R & R Hall of Flamers, and Van Halen didn't even make it through the preliminary stage? That is such an atrocity, it's a complete waste of my time to even bother mentioning it. Please. These assholes will probably vote for Beddie Wetter of Toe Jam in 2015, and give that talentless hack...yes, I said TALENTLESS HACK!!!!...the most over-rated musician since Richard Wagner...Kurtis Cobain...well, I won't even finish the sentence.

By the way...Journey made a HUGE mistake by not making Hugo their new vocalist in 1998. Augieri sounds enough like Steve to make it apparent the band was trying to keep the sound similar to the Perry years; why settle for second best? Just an afterthought.

[ohsherrie]

Even though Dean and I have had some BIG problems I have to support him here. He wouldn't have made such a drastic about face without reason.

Even though I enjoy Arrival and Gens for what they are, Augeri's voice was never more that a thin, shallow imitation of Perry. He has a good voice, but not THAT good.

What strikes me most about this topic is that so many of you are so willing to forgive Augeri for his vocal problems, but have condemned Perry for his. Perry did so many more concerts and recordings for Journey than Augeri has, but yet his vocal problems have become the object of ridicule for so many of you.

At least Perry had the grace to give it up, if his voice is really the reason he did(as so many have alleged), and not make a Millii Vanillii of the band.

[jrnyman28]

By the way...Journey made a HUGE mistake by not making Hugo their new vocalist in 1998. Augieri sounds enough like Steve to make it apparent the band was trying to keep the sound similar to the Perry years; why settle for second best? Just an afterthought.

I disagree. Hugo's voice can be very thin. And his look is creepy similar. If Journey had chosen Hugo, there would have been validity to the theory that Journey was "trying to fool the audience into believing Perry was still in the band."

[PROPERRY]

I remember from the 3 concerts that I saw of Perry with Journey, that Perry GAVE it his ALL on stage & SANG HIS HEART OUT FOR THE FANS!!!

Hey, when Perry sings, there is NO GUESSING about whether he is singing live, or using backup tapes, or whatever. You KNOW HE IS SINGING LIVE & HE BLOWS you away with that AMAZING talent of his!!!


HE MOST DEFINITELY DESERVED GREAT CREDIT for doing such a FANTASTIC job all those years singing on stage for the fans!!!

Lori

[jrnyman28]

I have to support him here. He wouldn't have made such a drastic about face without reason.

True.

Even though I enjoy Arrival and Gens for what they are, Augeri's voice was never more that a thin, shallow imitation of Perry. He has a good voice, but not THAT good.

Well, I won't say use those terms. His voice is similar and that is why he was hired. I agree that he is not as good as Perry was.

What strikes me most about this topic is that so many of you are so willing to forgive Augeri for his vocal problems, but have condemned Perry for his. Perry did so many more concerts and recordings for Journey than Augeri has, but yet his vocal problems have become the object of ridicule for so many of you.

This is actually a good point. I would say though that Perry has been criticized...but I have a hard time saying he was ridiculed. I personally have always talked about the changes in Perry's voice due to the same reasons you listed. And in my opinion, from what I have evidenced, Perry is no longer capable of touring with his voice. I have, however, always maintained that he would be able to make extremely effective use of his voice on record. Sadly, the argument here is that Steve is no longer capable of singing Journey songs due to the strain of trying to sing what Perry crafted and created vocally. Basically, I think Perry's vocal issues are "natural" but that Steve's are not.

At least Perry had the grace to give it up, if his voice is really the reason he did(as so many have alleged), and not make a Millii Vanillii of the band.

True. (IF what Deano has said is accurate.)

[perryfaithful]

Even though Dean and I have had some BIG problems I have to support him here. He wouldn't have made such a drastic about face without reason.

Even though I enjoy Arrival and Gens for what they are, Augeri's voice was never more that a thin, shallow imitation of Perry. He has a good voice, but not THAT good.

What strikes me most about this topic is that so many of you are so willing to forgive Augeri for his vocal problems, but have condemned Perry for his. Perry did so many more concerts and recordings for Journey than Augeri has, but yet his vocal problems have become the object of ridicule for so many of you.

At least Perry had the grace to give it up, if his voice is really the reason he did(as so many have alleged), and not make a Millii Vanillii of the band.

Nicely stated my friend!

[NealIsGod]

Last comment publicly on this, and I mean it:

This HURTS me more than anyone here will know. As most of you know, I have wholeheartedly supported post 98 Journey, and only late last year have begun to sour. Well, now I am officially soured. Does my spearheaded charge to bring Perry back have something to do with this to be sure, however, don't try to link that with my disdain for current Journey right now.

OK, I am going to hold you to the "last comment publicly" promise. Make it stick. I think the Loons are ready to canonize you.

[NoMoreTails]

IF this is true, I blame the whole goddamned bunch. Look, to do this, requires silencio on everyone involved. Deen, Ross, Cain and Elso/soundtech....this whole thing reeks.

For the first time in my entire life, I HOPE I AM WRONG.

What the hell do you mean "if" and you hope you're wrong? If you had any doubts why have you insisted you know the "truth"and have proof and kept fanning the fire for weeks now? Was it getting too boring around here without the Perryheads to attack? So know you have some doubt? Have you been added to the hit list along with TNC?