Ok, Here ya go....

[TRAGChick]

Nora, the videos are coming...

However, these are audio tracks.

Oh.

Wellllll....

Then, keep in mind what I said, and wait for the video.

[TRAGChick]

But maybe the most obvious proof that this is lip synch is the timing of the songs.Both have 4 mins 22 seconds.That indicates a click track.The original click track from the Las Vegas concert.

They went in the studio with the audio track from Vegas,took out the instruments and left only the voice track and then they played it at the Greek. So the band could be live,but the voice isn’t.I am sure Augeri,as well as the rest of the band had the click track in their ear monitors so they knew they would have to play for exactly 4 minutes and 22 seconds.

I have seen this done before in a studio,so I know what I`m saying.
I am really sad about this.

So, how does the length of the song indicate a click track?
A click track is used to keep the beat(time signature), not the time.

You are right,that's what click track is for.But! The Vegas recording is 4:22,so at the Greek,

the click track was put on from second 1 to help Augeri know when to open his mouth in perfect timing with the Vegas tape.The other members used the click track to know exactly how long to keep everything going in concordance with the lenght of the voice track.

No, it doesn't make sense. A click track is just a click, like a metronome, it doesn't count minutes and seconds. Only when you're synching video.

To cue a vocalist, usually they use a click one bar before the vocal comes in. Not from the beginning of the song.

I do not BELIEVE what I am reading...and if all of this is true....

Do you know how FREAKING HARD it is to keep everything "locked in" to a click-track....and THEN try to "play semi-live" over it??

If you are off by a NANOSECOND, you are SCREWED!!

[*Laura]

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[junky]

Toronto is Vegas.
I would like to add something about the length of the song. It has to be equal to the original –the Vegas track- OR they can make it longer,but they can only add some ad-libs at the beginning or at the end of the song,before or after the vocal part.The other parts of the song are unchangeable time wise because of the vocal part.So no extended guitar solos or such.

Yeah, but just because the recordings are similar in length (my LV is longer than the Greek) doesn't mean they are using pre-recorded vocal. It's the same song, therefore the same length. Neal doesn't always do extended guitar solos. When is the last time you saw them live?

Besides, the Greek vocal is really raw, LV vocal is polished. You can polish a vocal but you can't unpolish it. This is not the same vocal, I'll bet all my audio engineering experience on it.

Now, I'm gonna go listen to Toronto.

[Big J]

Toronto is Vegas.
I would like to add something about the length of the song. It has to be equal to the original –the Vegas track- OR they can make it longer,but they can only add some ad-libs at the beginning or at the end of the song,before or after the vocal part.The other parts of the song are unchangeable time wise because of the vocal part.So no extended guitar solos or such.

I am sorry if I offended or upset some of you.I only speak what I hear.

I just don't buy it. The timing's too hard to do this for a whole show. One song? A few songs? The high notes in OA? Maybe. Not a whole show though.

And not every show for a whole tour. Honestly, the notion is ridiculous.

[Big J]

And on another note.

Neal Schon's worried about losing a few hundred grand on SS, and you guys think he's going to risk the Journey name rather than cancel a tour?

It's bunk.

[Rockindeano]

Bunk huh?

Try this one on.

"Live" from the greek. This is thieved from the fuckin' CD!

Tell me it's not.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 8C568C5CCA

[Rockindeano]

Besides, the Greek vocal is really raw, LV vocal is polished. You can polish a vocal but you can't unpolish it. This is not the same vocal, I'll bet all my audio engineering experience on it.

Now, I'm gonna go listen to Toronto.

The Vegas vox were done over by Elson with either pro-tools or whatever, after the show was done and before it went to issue.

However, theses songs are thieved, from Vegas.

[*Laura]

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[Eric]

around 1:30 - 1:45ish varies considerably....I think that he gets way more help on the TO and Greek boots

He struggles way more between like 1:45 and 1:55ish

[Rockindeano]

around 1:30 - 1:45ish varies considerably....I think that he gets way more help on the TO and Greek boots

He struggles way more between like 1:45 and 1:55ish

It's not the "time" that matters...Listen to the words...some songs start and stop at different points. It's the words that matter.

[Abitaman]

And the words your speaking on this subject, make no sense-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

And the words your speaking on this subject, make no sense-ERIC

I have never fully understood your posts....Don't let this get personal.

[heardonthestreet]

If it ever happened, you can bet that it won't happen again. Forewarned is forearmed!

[heardonthestreet]

It can't be something that you just suspected yourself, Dean. Someone must have gave you a clue. and told you what to look for. Is this the case? I know that you attended a lot of the concerts, but were you forwarned to look for something?

[Eric]

Again, it sounds like to me he struggles way more with the chorus between like 1:45ISH and 1:55ISH. Same chorus...sounds different.

[Abitaman]

And the words your speaking on this subject, make no sense-ERIC

Don't let this get personal.

?

[junky]

Bunk huh?

Try this one on.

"Live" from the greek. This is thieved from the fuckin' CD!

Tell me it's not.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 8C568C5CCA

I think you're right about this one. TPIYH.
I synched up the vocals, and they stayed synched all the way through until the very end. Same effects, same pitch. Same everything, Though a little more bass than the CD.


As for Ask The Lonely, if you're saying that they took the vox from LV before they were fixed up in Pro-tools, than you really can't really compare the two.
I did, however compare the Toronto vox to the Greek and found them to be different. But Toronto is a little suspect. I think he sang the Greek, or atleast part of it.

[Rockindeano]

It can't be something that you just suspected yourself, Dean. Someone must have gave you a clue. and told you what to look for. Is this the case? I know that you attended a lot of the concerts, but were you forwarned to look for something?

I noticed this back in 2003, when they headlined, and were the worst band of the three on the ME tour. That's where I first noticed Faithfully on that tour.

I have had it confirmed by others, BUT, and this is very very important: THIS IS soleley on me...NO ONE else is responsible for these comments.

Does this answer your question, HOTS?

[Abitaman]

Is that a warning or you don't want to know me more?-ERIC

[*Laura]

.............

[heardonthestreet]

It can't be something that you just suspected yourself, Dean. Someone must have gave you a clue. and told you what to look for. Is this the case? I know that you attended a lot of the concerts, but were you forwarned to look for something?

I noticed this back in 2003, when they headlined, and were the worst band of the three on the ME tour. That's where I first noticed Faithfully on that tour.

I have had it confirmed by others, BUT, and this is very very important: THIS IS soleley on me...NO ONE else is responsible for these comments.

Does this answer your question, HOTS?

..................

Kinda. I thought that you guys were saying that you promised someone that you wouldn't tell who gave you the info on this possible stunt.

[Abitaman]

Place in your Heart is live. He is off key about 30 seconds in.-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

Here is yet another example.

From Toronto(casino Rama), 2005

Separate ways
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 7556AF21DE

Same song, from Vegas
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 8716214F33



Now, please don't tell me I put all my eggs in one basket. You want more, I got more.

I would really love to watch the Ducks/Oilers, but feel compelled to stay and answer questions.

[Eric]

Rockn'deano,

Worst band of the night????

Did Styx have more energy...YES....were they better...MAYBE...was REO in the same league as either of them....ABSOLUTELY NOT.

[Rockindeano]

Rockn'deano,

Worst band of the night????

Did Styx have more energy...YES....were they better...MAYBE...was REO in the same league as either of them....ABSOLUTELY NOT.

You sound like me three years ago. I can tell you now, that I cringed when SA opened his mouth..He was shitty.

REO was better than BOTH bands on many nights...

I went to 6 shows and Journey was NEVER the best, and I hate Styx, and respect REO. I do think playing at 1030P sucked tho for Journey.

[Eric]

Off topic:

Deano.....The officials are taking the emotion out of the fucking game and the announcers are blowing Bettman going along with it (Fucking Davidson saying "The last thing the league needs is scrums"). It makes me sick to my stomach. The Sabres game could have been a classic last night and instead became a Penalty Fest in the 2nd period.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, but so far, 3 fights..I like the energy the Ducks have.
Eric, check your PM

[Eric]

I can't really hear the Sep Ways TO boot.....the vocals are barely audible

TPIYH is different. Plus, I can say for certainty that they sounded way off when they did the song in Saratoga (I believe that was the first or second show they performed that). Augeri did not do that YEEEAAAAH at around 1:50 in Saratoga and I was dissapointed by that...

[anonymousse]

I hear what sounds like identical singing in the recordings.