I just have to wonder....

[Rockindeano]

This is ridiculous. I have been lurking here for long enough and have always refraned from posting because it seems as though new posters are not always welcome here. Dean you claim that people from BT won't own up to who they are, well you can find me posting there under the same user name as this.

You are entitled to your own opinion Dean, however, so is everyone else. If it disturbs you so much that people don't agree with you then maybe its time to take a step back. If you feel you want to seek out some press outlet to listen to your story, go for it. Walk away from this board and find someone who will believe you. Start your own site. But don't ruin this site for others. Just because you have turned your back on the band does not mean that everyone else has to.

Go ahead, call me names like you do everyone else....

Hi Rebecca. I know my name over on BT email is white hot, and that is not what I was looking for. I was told to spill the info I had. I did. Now my ex-friends on here have turned their backs on me. By the way, if you go to the "Poll" thread, by a margin of 2-1 or greater, people DO believe me and my unearthing story. Go add up all the votes and compare them to the votes I received. It's a shame for two reasons.

1) It's a shame Journey has done this and thought they wouldn't get caught. It's a shame they had to do this too.

2) It's a shame their fans are so gullible. It's a shame their fans are willing to let the band do this, and charge good money for a joke of an act.

Rebecca, if you have been lurking here "for quite some time," you would know I went to battle for this lineup day in and day out. I fought the perryheads daily. Do you not think there is a good reason why I have done an 180? Think about it. Lula and I are going to approach Neal about it backstage. Not saying which show, but I cannot wait to see his reaction. Even Lula is so depressed she is so sickened she can't even listen to Neal's guitar anymore. What does that tell you? I know you know her. So, it just isn't Dean vs everyone else. Think about it.

PS- Rebecca, thanks for lurking in February and telling Lula about what I said about her, in the "Milk truck thread." By doing that, you brought us both together. I appreciate your lurking, I really do.

[HigherPlace2001]

[quote="Rockn'deano"][quote="acceber"]This is ridiculous. I have been lurking here for long enough and have always refraned from posting because it seems as though new posters are not always welcome here. Dean you claim that people from BT won't own up to who they are, well you can find me posting there under the same user name as this.

You are entitled to your own opinion Dean, however, so is everyone else. If it disturbs you so much that people don't agree with you then maybe its time to take a step back. If you feel you want to seek out some press outlet to listen to your story, go for it. Walk away from this board and find someone who will believe you. Start your own site. But don't ruin this site for others. Just because you have turned your back on the band does not mean that everyone else has to.

Go ahead, call me names like you do everyone else....[/quote]

Hi Rebecca. I know my name over on BT email is white hot, and that is not what I was looking for. I was told to spill the info I had. I did. Now my ex-friends on here have turned their backs on me. By the way, if you go to the "Poll" thread, by a margin of 2-1 or greater, people DO believe me and my unearthing story. Go add up all the votes and compare them to the votes I received. It's a shame for two reasons.

1) It's a shame Journey has done this and thought they wouldn't get caught. It's a shame they had to do this too.

2) It's a shame their fans are so gullible. It's a shame their fans are willing to let the band do this, and charge good money for a joke of an act.

Rebecca, if you have been lurking here "for quite some time," you would know I went to battle for this lineup day in and day out. I fought the perryheads daily. Do you not think there is a good reason why I have done an 180? Think about it. Lula and I are going to approach Neal about it backstage. Not saying which show, but I cannot wait to see his reaction. Even Lula is so depressed she is so sickened she can't een listen to neal's guitar. What does that tell you? I know you know her. So, it just isn't Dean vs everyone else. Think about it.[/quote]



Dean...if you are looking for a press outlet, why are you spending money on tickets to see the show, a show you say is recorded? And how are you getting backstage to talk to Neal? Inquiring minds want to know.

[acceber]

Hi Rebecca. I know my name over on BT email is white hot, and that is not what I was looking for. I was told to spill the info I had. I did. Now my ex-friends on here have turned their backs on me. By the way, if you go to the "Poll" thread, by a margin of 2-1 or greater, people DO believe me and my unearthing story. Go add up all the votes and compare them to the votes I received. It's a shame for two reasons.

1) It's a shame Journey has done this and thought they wouldn't get caught. It's a shame they had to do this too.

2) It's a shame their fans are so gullible. It's a shame their fans are willing to let the band do this, and charge good money for a joke of an act.

Rebecca, if you have been lurking here "for quite some time," you would know I went to battle for this lineup day in and day out. I fought the perryheads daily. Do you not think there is a good reason why I have done an 180? Think about it. Lula and I are going to approach Neal about it backstage. Not saying which show, but I cannot wait to see his reaction. Even Lula is so depressed she is so sickened she can't een listen to neal's guitar. What does that tell you? I know you know her. So, it just isn't Dean vs everyone else. Think about it.

I understand that some people believe you. But just because some people don't does not mean that they are idiots, or any of the other things I have seen you call people in the past few weeks. Do what you feel you need to do about this, but as it is, you are not going to change the minds of those who do not believe you at this point. It seems as though this is taking over your life. Let others post about other topics.

By the way it wasnt me lurking then, it was someone else who told me that you were talking about Lu.

[Rockindeano]

HP2001, I have come too far now to just let it go. Now, my reputation is on the line. I have to do this. I am right, and need to prove it to others.

I am sorry to all about this, I really am. it has severed many friendships on this site, and I'm sure more to come as well.

As for going to the show; of course I am going. I want nothing better than to have SA come out and blow me away, so I am giving him one last shot. of course I am recording trhe show; Lula gets backstage anytime she wants, so.......however, they may be on the look out for me though She says she is going to bring it up. I was a bit shocked when I heard her say that.

[Red13JoePa]

Lula still rocks in my book even though she's wrong.

[Rockindeano]

Bec, deep down, I do believe people agree, yet are just weary of agreeing. lula didnt want one word of this. I played her ONE song. Then she needed to hear another and another. She is deeply saddened and pissed and wants her money back from last year.

[Rockindeano]

Lula still rocks in my book even though she's wrong.

She is more hardcore for the current lineup than anyone...She is overly convinced. She is right, by the way.

[Red13JoePa]

Lula still rocks in my book even though she's wrong.

She is more hardcore for the current lineup than anyone...She is overly convinced. She is right, by the way.

Of course she's over;y convinced. Look who all her time's spent with. It's fucking Stockholm syndrome (kidding, Lul....you know you kick ass).

[HigherPlace2001]

Dean, you do what you feel in your heart you have to do. I realize that you believe this wholeheartedly. Just keep in mind that Augeri is one of the few "Good Guys" out there, trust me I know this to be fact. I don't know about Lula's ability to get backstage...I think she may have burned some bridges of her own with this whole thing. But if she does, I hope she does bring up her concerns especially to Castronovo because he is one of Augeri's staunchest supporters from what I understand.

Good Luck and God Bless!

[Rockindeano]

Just keep in mind that Augeri is one of the few "Good Guys" out there, trust me I know this to be fact.

What? WHAT? You're kidding me. How can you say that? Because he signs autographs and isn't a total prick like Perry? Let me ask you something. You yourself said you know taping is going on. How can a guy be a "good guy" knowing as he sets foot on a stage before 8 thousand hard working people, that he is about to deceive them? Come on? If he is a good guy, then Barry Bonds and george W Bush are "Great Guys.":roll:

I don't know about Lula's ability to get backstage...I think she may have burned some bridges of her own with this whole thing.

What the Hell? By being honest? No, it's Journey who are burning their own bridge. It's just that it's a big bridge and will take a little longer, that's all. It will eventually burn, trust me.

But if she does, I hope she does bring up her concerns especially to Castronovo because he is one of Augeri's staunchest supporters from what I understand.

Lula knows all those guys too well. She won't let me go backstage she is now saying....I have issues with Deen...

[Rockindeano]

Dean, you do what you feel in your heart you have to do. I realize that you believe this wholeheartedly.

Naw, my good ol buddy pit says I am layering tracks and doctoring up bootlegs. haven't seen that assclown around after I called him out have you?

[Red13JoePa]

Pit feels he's said his peace. Simple as that. To be fair, remember he said it could've been the source who made you hear what you think youve been hearing. That's not even ArrivalRules, but someone else. One thing I regret about the Pit affaire is my thread may have made it look to some people who aren't here all the time like it was J28's beliefs and not TNC/Deano's and dave had to dust it up a little w/ Pitt b/c of that..

[HigherPlace2001]

Dean....I said that probably clicks were being used for certain parts....like all bands do live. Don't go changing my words. Pit has said his peace, and he NEVER said YOU were doctoring the boots, he said that possibly the one who made them did.

And what issues do you have now with Castronovo? See this is the stuff that ruins any credibility you might have left.

Lula would be smart to leave you behind if she ever gets backstage again. She has also burned friendships.

And no Augeri is not the good guy cause of the autographs and shit.....he's always been a good guy.

TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND A STEP BACK AWAY FROM THE EDGE!

[Rockindeano]

Pit has said his peace, and he NEVER said YOU were doctoring the boots, he said that possibly the one who made them did.

Well, he was trying to spin that as a defense against my claim. either way, Pitman is pathetic. For arguing so profusely and not having facts is stupid.

And what issues do you have now with Castronovo?

An inside joke. Personal. Nothing to do with his talent.

Lula would be smart to leave you behind if she ever gets backstage again. She has also burned friendships.

Oh really? Ok. She knows that, and she doesn't care. In fact, I just read this to her and she says you are a chicken shit if you say that, yet won't say who you are. She still has friends on BT, but realizes that yes, she has slept with the enemy...She has no regrets. If BT'ers don't like her decision, they can fuck off.

And no Augeri is not the good guy cause of the autographs and shit.....he's always been a good guy.

Nope. He is a dirty SOB for doing this. I would love to sit down and ask him point blank if he ever lipped. See if he would lie to my face.

[HigherPlace2001]

I have not seen her post herself that she believes that Augeri lipsynched the ENTIRE tour, as you put it. She has said this whole thing makes her sick...which could mean all your ranting and everyone hating on you. And as far as the personal Castronovo stuff......don't even try it.

I will say this, IF Augeri is doing it, and based on the boots I have and the clips you have provided, I DO NOT BELIEVE HE IS, he is doing it because 8 years ago he sold his soul to the devil.

Again Dean I ask you to let it play itself out. The truth shall prevail on it's own. It always does.

[Rockindeano]

I have not seen her post herself that she believes that Augeri lipsynched the ENTIRE tour, as you put it. She has said this whole thing makes her sick...which could mean all your ranting and everyone hating on you. And as far as the personal Castronovo stuff......don't even try it.

Are you tight with Deen or something? Please answer your Private message.

I will say this, IF Augeri is doing it, and based on the boots I have and the clips you have provided, I DO NOT BELIEVE HE IS, he is doing it because 8 years ago he sold his soul to the devil.

You have to be a TOTAL cheerleader to believe he IS NOT. That's all I am going to say. I was as big as fan as there is. It took a giant step for me to do this. It really hurts but I am feeling better for telling it.

Again Dean I ask you to let it play itself out. The truth shall prevail on it's own. It always does.

Why not? You defenders want it to go away. Nope. Like I said, I came too far now, put my dick in the blender...you think I am going to reel it in now? Think again.

[HigherPlace2001]

I have no private message

[Infinity]

Here we go again!
It’s quite ridiculous how people with firm convictions are flamed constantly but I guess that’s human nature. Remember no one ever believed people can fly, yet someone came and proved it can be done with an airplane!
It’s obvious that everyone tries to blame Rockndeano because of the shit Journey is eating on stage.That’s a goddamned stupid attitude!WTF? The guy came out in the living daylight and brought up a serious issue concerning the band we are all here for! If Rockndeano would be all talk and no proof,yeah – he would have no credibility.Hey, not only he brought evidence,but more,people believed that what they hear is the truth and even MORE some of those people are professionally trained musicians,for Christ’s sake!!!
You know what? In this spineless shitty world we are living in where for most of the people out there the Holy Lie is the best way to get them around,a person like rockndeano is a rara avis.
I believe he scared the shit out of Journey’s blind followers and those who still keep their eyes closed are no better.This will not go away as truth is stronger than hypocrisy.

[r@y]

I will say this, IF Augeri is doing it, ...

Un-fuckin'-believable....

May I fuckin ask, what would it take for you tone-deaf pieces of work to stand up and say SA lip synched...???

Dammit....the band must answer for this and if they are gonna continue the tours, they only should do so, if SA's voice is up to it...and if it is not, then they should just cancel....yeah they lose money...but a price has to be paid for mistakes made...how big or small that may be...


Ray

[A Fire Inside]

What the hell is everyone kissing Lula's ass for? Just because she can "get backstage any time she wants"?

[Red13JoePa]

I will say this, IF Augeri is doing it, ...

Un-fuckin'-believable....

May I fuckin ask, what would it take for you tone-deaf pieces of work to stand up and say SA lip synched...???

Er...some proof I guess. not Deano posting a clip of an audience recorded boot and crying smoking gun. And bully pulpiting you guys who get a kick of his style into swallowing the sinker in an effort to stay out of his crosshairs.
Maybe just one person, that's not a lot to ask is it? One person with a media credential.

[EightyRock]

After listening about 6 more times over the last couple days to Higher Place, Casino Rama, Ontario, 8-24-05:
My general opinion and all those at my house this weekend who have gathered around the computer for me agree he is only singing when it sounds like he is on life support, then magically, he sounds like he does on the Arrival CD or 2001 DVD. I'm with Rubicon, I can hear the difference and holy shit is it apparent what is live and what is Memorex.

[Monker]

Er...some proof I guess. not Deano posting a clip of an audience recorded boot and crying smoking gun. And bully pulpiting you guys who get a kick of his style into swallowing the sinker in an effort to stay out of his crosshairs.
Maybe just one person, that's not a lot to ask is it? One person with a media credential.

Exactly. This whole thing is crap until something like the above happens. It's WAY out of proportion on this forum.

[Rockindeano]

Er...some proof I guess. not Deano posting a clip of an audience recorded boot and crying smoking gun. And bully pulpiting you guys who get a kick of his style into swallowing the sinker in an effort to stay out of his crosshairs.
Maybe just one person, that's not a lot to ask is it? One person with a media credential.

Exactly. This whole thing is crap until something like the above happens. It's WAY out of proportion on this forum.

Dipshit, yeah you Monker, instead of turning your head like the others who "just wouldn't believe it even if Fraudgeri admitted it," why don't you listento the clips and decide for yourself. Pretty fucking ignorant for you to call me a liar and say my "theory" is off the deep end. without listening to a single clip. What are you afraid of? The truth?

It's like politics. You can't bitch if you don't vote. Monker, you are losing all of your credibity.

[Free]

After listening about 6 more times over the last couple days to Higher Place, Casino Rama, Ontario, 8-24-05:
My general opinion and all those at my house this weekend who have gathered around the computer for me agree he is only singing when it sounds like he is on life support, then magically, he sounds like he does on the Arrival CD or 2001 DVD. I'm with Rubicon, I can hear the difference and holy shit is it apparent what is live and what is Memorex.

No. You've been brain washed by Dean. Don't you get that this was a big put on by Dean to see how many people would believe it?

[Free]

Er...some proof I guess. not Deano posting a clip of an audience recorded boot and crying smoking gun. And bully pulpiting you guys who get a kick of his style into swallowing the sinker in an effort to stay out of his crosshairs.
Maybe just one person, that's not a lot to ask is it? One person with a media credential.

Exactly. This whole thing is crap until something like the above happens. It's WAY out of proportion on this forum.

Yep never happened. Augeri never lipped anything.

[Free]

Er...some proof I guess. not Deano posting a clip of an audience recorded boot and crying smoking gun. And bully pulpiting you guys who get a kick of his style into swallowing the sinker in an effort to stay out of his crosshairs.
Maybe just one person, that's not a lot to ask is it? One person with a media credential.

Exactly. This whole thing is crap until something like the above happens. It's WAY out of proportion on this forum.

Dipshit, yeah you Monker, instead of turning your head like the others who "just wouldn't believe it even if Fraudgeri admitted it," why don't you listento the clips and decide for yourself. Pretty fucking ignorant for you to call me a liar and say my "theory" is off the deep end. without listening to a single clip. What are you afraid of? The truth?

It's like politics. You can't bitch if you don't vote. Monker, you are losing all of your credibity.

Come on Dean. When are you gonna tell him that what you are doing is all a big joke? Monker just didn't fall for it like all the rest. He knows you spliced the tape.

[Rockindeano]

Monker used to be a viable poster. Now he is just a sun dried piece of racoon shit. Makes no contributions, always slams, and denies proof. What a dick.

But I, the computer illiterate that I am, staged this whole thing..splicing tape and layering tracks. Pitman should mount Monker and sing Walking Away from the Edge to him.

[Lilla_Forever]

Do other band-sites that had a change in personnel (ie, lead singer) have such "polarity" and/or "passion of conviction" as this one?

I think so for certain, and as it has been said, it depends on the level of talent or legendary status of the one being replaced. Take Deep Purple for instance. Ritchie Blackmore hasn't been in that band for 13 years! Steve Morse (ex Kansas, Dixie Dregs) has been in Deep Purple since 1994 and still there are people clamoring for a "classic lineup" reunion.

Just to give my two cents (nice expression) on the whole Perry coming back thing, I personally hope he does. Maybe its just because I have never seen Perry fronted Journey (or any Journey for that matter) in concert. I am so envious of all you people who have