What will Perry think of all this?

[Monker]

In all seriousness if Kevin Chalfont were the singer in Journey (and he is fully capable of being their singer too) it might shut up all of the constant bitching that goes back and forth between the pro-Perry and pro-Augeri fans!

You're wrong. When he was becoming a member of Journey prior to TBF, he was enjoying the same ridicule as Augeri...He's a clone, he even tries to LOOK like Perry. He sounds ordinary and is nothing special, as Perry is....Those are exact quotes from Perry fans from that time.

I also love Kevin Chalfont's singing!

So do I...I was just listening to Two Fires today in the car.

[Monker]

Kevin has joined another band(in case you didn't know). He prefers to sing it all..during concerts as well.

Yep Kevin is in Shooting Star. About 5 people on the planet know or care. Just as many people would come to see me in concert as them. And that is no reflection on their talent at all.

Well, *I* care...The bits I have heard kick ass...I'd rather have that then Generations any day.

[AR]

Well, *I* care...The bits I have heard kick ass...I'd rather have that then Generations any day

But see, you "care" but you don't own it. Point proven.

I liked what I heard too BTW. I'm a fan of Two Fires and The Storm myself.

Had Kevin joined Journey they would have burned his voice out too with over touring.

[Magwheels]

Monker..child...and I see you still are a child....I didn't even realize that group was still alive. And you've got it all ass-backwards..as usual.

It's Steve Perry with a perm!

No..It's Steve Augeri with a tape recorder.

[perry4me]

Journey began it's existance with Perry and ceased to exist without him. His voice was magic. It was an orgasm without the work! From his little bit on David Pack?(Ambrosia) cut he still has the power to make you climax! No one can ever take his place. He along with Cain made JOurney what it was and will never be again, without him.

[Magwheels]

A Journey w/out Steve Perry is a wasted journey.

[Liz22562]

Penny thats great that you can get off to it...but can you give us a rating before you post....you know PG13, etc. For me, that was just TMI, but glad it was good for you.

[Monker]

Monker..child...and I see you still are a child....

Of course!

I didn't even realize that group was still alive. And you've got it all ass-backwards..as usual.

You basicaly went as wacko and Deen has been doing here for the past month...The difference is the owner of that list kicked your whiney ass off the list.

It's Steve Perry with a perm!

No..It's Steve Augeri with a tape recorder.

It can't be Perry cuz he only comes out of his hole to hack out DSB at baseball games...then he sees his shadow, gets scared and goes back into his hole where it's safe.

[Monker]

A Journey w/out Steve Perry is a wasted journey.

And, a forum without a moderator willing to kick trouble makers off is a wasted forum and should be closed.

[Monker]

But see, you "care" but you don't own it. Point proven.

Huh? The Frontiers site says the release date is July 7.

Had Kevin joined Journey they would have burned his voice out too with over touring.

That's an alternate history...we just don't know what would have happened.

[4_Fox_Sake]

you think he will kill his cash cow? no way.. it is to his fiscal advantage to let the Journey continue

I have to agree with Ace. Perry’s ain't in this one. Perry would be too obvious a suspect and has more to loose than gain. There is someone who knows the band better than him and is much more bitter about the bands existence and management. He has a real ax to grind and would like to put the blame on Perry.

No one seems to mention this guy, but everyone has read all the bitterness this person gives out in interviews. He hates the band and that the are still going. He’d like to see the Journey ride end because he hates them all and hates the management and Perry. It’s the same person who bitched about the current Journey management-being useless but getting paid more than he did.. What better way to show this now by forcing Management to show how well they can/can’t handle this? It also sets up the Perry/ Augeri/ Journey camps against each other, while he gets to sit back and laugh.

This dude...

Hates the guys associated with Journey- except for one past member who he speaks well of.

Would like to see the guys end up with paper cups in their hands begging for money because “he could have set them up for life”, but they didn’t do what he wanted. They still tour.

Refused to come back and work with them. Is bitter and vengeful (to this day) over how he was fired.

Hates Perry and would love to see him loose the “cash cow”.

Hates Jon Cain accused him of not being able to sing and uses a click track to sing.

Don’t like Azoff

Feels betrayed by Neal for “throwing him under the truck” years ago.

Sold off a ton of his Journey stuff in April after many years hangging on. Almost like Martha Stewart in her stock dumping scandal, before the company went under-which she knew about.

Has a connection to Sweden and could easily known the band would fall, pictures included (remember he managed Roxette and would have connections to Swedish music stations).

Said he would not have hired Augeri and that the other singer could really sing...

Says that the band are a bunch of losers and an embarrassment to him.

Says they won’t ever have a hit record.

Knows they have no investments to help themselves if they stop touring

Likes to look good

Can then turn around and say, if his blows up, revenge is sweet.

People can now see him and “his” Journey being legendary under his leadership.

For him it’s all about karma and his ego. The guy is bitter enough to be behind this more than anyone. All he needs to do, is get the scandal out and use the people who like him to do it. His fight ain’ts just with the band but with the band’s management to embarrass them.

I don’t know what the band did or didn’t do! If we go with conspiracy theories and who would set them up, I’d place my money on the most bitter person towards all Journey members and management. He’s the least obvious and the one person who seems to like attention and hates the band. My money’s on the ex management dude with the matching first and last name being behind a lot of this. He has said everything I listed above recently in interviews. He ain't shy about how he feels. He seems to have connections to everyone in the story and has nothing to loose. It ain't over till the fat (ex) man (ager) sings

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm very interesting considering RND supposed trip up North to see a mystery person about the time RND started to turn away from the band.....

I think dude said that they did meet or some poster said that RND met the ex-manager (I think got an interview or something). Anyway, I think they did meet. RND does seem to be a big supporter of the ex-manager. You can see what he says here

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No doubt in my mind, how the ex feels and he gets very personal. If RND got a smoking gun behind him, the ex manager might have help him out, since they feel the same way about the band, management and Perry. I was trying to find the old post on BT where someone said the ex-manager was hoping fans would contact him but was upset no one did. He had given out his email address. He said something like he had never heard from any fan and I think it bugged him a bit. I wish I could find that post, but it's probably been deleted. I can't believe people don't see who has real reason to see the band end, managment look bad and Perry to take the blame (so the two camps fight) while he sits back smelling like roses watching the band he created in a mess-since he ain't there to run it. He's bitter and spitful enough to do it and people can read just how bitter and angry this guy is YEARS after they dropped him. He probably figures he created the band and so he don't care if they get destroyed. He's happy cause he's rich and they would be too if they stuck with him. So now he won't care if they're poor cause he made em, he'll break em...that includes Perry. The only one who will move on is Azoff and the ex can say, see I could have fixed this and Azoff ain't worth the dough. I think Perry picked Azoff, so there you go. Another reason the ex hates them all and wants the camps to fight

[Journey/Survivor]

H H is a classless jerk, as he has proven in the last year or two at least.

I don't know if he necesarilly has anything to do with this likely BS story or not?

Out of curriosity who is the one former member who he still likes? Is it Gregg?

[4_Fox_Sake]

H H is a classless jerk, as he has proven in the last year or two at least.

I don't know if he necesarilly has anything to do with this likely BS story or not?

Out of curriosity who is the one former member who he still likes? Is it Gregg?

Yep, he slings mud at everyone except Gregg. Everyone gets slammed yet Journey fans still like him, even when he slams their boys Go figure

[jrnyman28]

I was trying to find the old post on BT where someone said the ex-manager was hoping fans would contact him but was upset no one did. He had given out his email address. He said something like he had never heard from any fan and I think it bugged him a bit.

The guy that interviewed HH for the "Castles Burning" interview was the one who said HH said he was surprised no one ever contacted him. It was in reference to the question about why HH had not done any interviews concerning Journey. HH responded with "no one asked".

[jrnyman28]

H H is a classless jerk, as he has proven in the last year or two at least.

I don't know if he necesarilly has anything to do with this likely BS story or not?

Out of curriosity who is the one former member who he still likes? Is it Gregg?

Yep, he slings mud at everyone except Gregg. Everyone gets slammed yet Journey fans still like him, even when he slams their boys Go figure

They still support HH because they know he made the band what they all love. That is why Deano wanted HH back, that is why I wanted HH back. Many others agree that Journey management has done a piss-poor job and that HH would likely have done it different, and done it better!

Journey has needed leadership and guidance and a manager that would fight for them. What they got were a bunch of yes-men who will do exactly what the directionless band wanted.

[kathyhelms]

Perry4me, I agree Steve Perry's voice is more than a single sence experience that for sure.

[perry4me]

I have to tell the truth. The only reason I am on this board is because of Perry. I am hoping for a miracle. I couldn't care less whether Augeri lip synchs or not. I loved Journey's music, but it was only because of Steve Pereira (Perry). If there is not that miracle of a reconciliation, Journey could put on a video at their concerts for all I care.
It is sad, but it is true. His voice truly moved me. He gave it his all. He may be a fraction of his former self, but I don't care, I know he would still give it everything he had,and my senses would be touched once again.

[Journey/Survivor]

I have to tell the truth. The only reason I am on this board is because of Perry. I am hoping for a miracle. I couldn't care less whether Augeri lip synchs or not. I loved Journey's music, but it was only because of Steve Pereira (Perry). If there is not that miracle of a reconciliation, Journey could put on a video at their concerts for all I care.
It is sad, but it is true. His voice truly moved me. He gave it his all. He may be a fraction of his former self, but I don't care, I know he would still give it everything he had,and my senses would be touched once again.

I am a HUGE Steve Perry fan!

Steve Perry is an extremely close second on my list of all time Rock vocalists only slightly behind Jimi Jamison. I also love Steve Perry's songwriting, he's in my top 5 favorite songwriters.

Perry has done a great deal for charity which I respect greatly!

I have always defended Perry against ignorant people who rip on him.

But to me Steve Perry has never been the best thing about Journey! That would be Neal Schon's guitar playing, and just the phenomenal overall talent of the entire band!

So Steve Perry, Steve Augeri, Robert Fleischman, Gregg Rolie it does not change the fact IMO that the musicians in Journey, especially Neal Schon are the best thing about Journey!

[Magwheels]

Wow Monker...I guess I should have said "baby" instead of child. A very bitter little baby at that. Of all the things to bring up..you bring up a "banning"(I was never banned btw..a little email to Kevin and the real source of the problem was made known..btw the website looks the same..ahem) that occurred..what now...3 years ago? I know you tried your best and are going to try again to "get me" on SOMETHING..but you've been burned beyond recognition. I'd save what you have left for..well..whatever Journey has left.

If you want to talk about banning..let's talk about your being banned from countless Perry forums. Then you just couldn't stand it any longer...needed the Perry fan's attention..so you started your own Perry forum. That went nowhere....it died.

It's Steve Perry with a perm!

No..It's Steve Augeri with a tape recorder.

[Magwheels]

Journey/Survivor..it was Steve Perry's voice that got me hooked. All the rest I noticed later..and learned to appreciate it.

For me it's...no Perry? No way....

[A Fire Inside]

Maybe people cut HH some slack because he actually knows these guys well enough to (fairly) validly insult them. Unlike many people on the Internet... lol.

[Monker]

Wow Monker...I guess I should have said "baby" instead of child.

No, no, no, I'm froy's baby. Keep it up and you'll make him jealous.

Of all the things to bring up..you bring up a "banning"(I was never banned btw..a little email to Kevin and the real source of the problem was made known..btw the website looks the same..ahem)

LOL...sure it was. You went fucking wacko, spamming an entire list...and refused to stop...and of course, you were banned from the Journey mailing list for acting like an ass...It's only a matter of time here. I think it's a race between you being kicked off and the forum being closed. We'll see which situation wins.

I know you tried your best and are going to try again to "get me" on SOMETHING...

Yeah, I tried my best to get you to stop spamming me.

If you want to talk about banning..let's talk about your being banned from countless Perry forums.

Let's talk about how many 'Perry forums' I have actualy posted to - ONE. Banning somebody who really doesn't even visit the forum is kinda pointless.

On the other hand YOU only show up on a Journey forum to shit on Journey. That's the bottom line. You don't care about having a conversation...You only care about spreading your hatred of Journey. You're like Joe Reardon's baby brother.

By the looks of things, you are going to feel right at home...cuz there are now a LOT of people here doing the exact same thing.

Then you just couldn't stand it any longer...needed the Perry fan's attention..so you started your own Perry forum. That went nowhere....it died.

LOL...I tried to do exactly what Andrew did here - I started a Perry AND a Journey forum, trying to separate 'sides' and make a little peace. It didn't work then, and it won't work now because there are too many wackos who don't give a shit about what they say or how it affects the forum or other posters. There are also not enough people willing to talk about the music instead of focusing on the bullshit...since I did not allow ANY of it.

It was a fun experiment and not a complete waste of time...it was definitely a lesson on what Perry fans want out of a forum - a place to bitch about Journey. If you can't do that, then a Perry or Journeyh forum is useless to many of them.

[Magwheels]

Anyone else get the feeling I've come at a bad time for Monker?

You were banned..and nobody cared to participate in your forum..because you were, and still are, the real problem. Stay away from the drugs, Monker.

It's Steve Perry with a perm!

No...It's Steve Augeri with a tape recorder.

[Andrew]

That'll do thanks Mag....move along....

[Magwheels]

Andrew...obviously there was nothing left to say. Not sure why you're bumping it up..and now..unless.....nah........

[Monker]

Andrew...obviously there was nothing left to say. Not sure why you're bumping it up..and now..unless.....nah........

Unless what?

[Magwheels]

That'll do thanks Monker....move along....

(was I talking to you?)