To the Hard Core Augeri Supporters

[Red13JoePa]

"Proven wrong?"
Jesus, they haven't even been proven right yet.

Not to those in denial, nope.

And not to those who aren't happy with second rate 'proof' either....

What the hell are you talking about, Cetera? They're "syching up" non soundboard bootlegs. Guilty, much as it pains me to say. There's no running from this crew, they got the goods

[cetera]

[JrnySuxBalls]

You don't need a soundboard recording to hear it.

[Red13JoePa]

You don't need a soundboard recording to hear it.

Lota us don't hear it other than maybe a phrase or so on the audience boots, Douglee.

[JrnySuxBalls]

You don't need a soundboard recording to hear it.

Lota us don't hear it other than maybe a phrase or so on the audience boots, Douglee.

You have to listen closely. Forget about the quality, or audience sounds. It's not unlike listening
to a friend talk to you in a crowded bar or restaurant. You have to focus and tune the other stuff
out.

Believe me, I didn't wanna believe it either. I was a SA supporter, and went to shows, helped
spread the word etc. I have no vendetta. I just think it's wrong.

[Red13JoePa]

er, ahem.

I HAVE LISTENED CLOSELY. Augeri's voice is major part of things I listen for and to when I listen to shows, because for one thing I happen to enjoy his singing.

[Liz22562]

Liz22562<~~ standing ovation to Red!

[JrnySuxBalls]

er, ahem.

I HAVE LISTENED CLOSELY. Augeri's voice is major part of things I listen for and to when I listen to shows, because for one thing I happen to enjoy his singing.

That's fine. It sounds to me like you have no clue as to what you're listening for.

[Red13JoePa]

er, ahem.

I HAVE LISTENED CLOSELY. Augeri's voice is major part of things I listen for and to when I listen to shows, because for one thing I happen to enjoy his singing.

That's fine. It sounds to me like you have no clue as to what you're listening for.

And we know exactly what you're "listening for." And you're hearing it. Good onya.

[JrnySuxBalls]

er, ahem.

I HAVE LISTENED CLOSELY. Augeri's voice is major part of things I listen for and to when I listen to shows, because for one thing I happen to enjoy his singing.

That's fine. It sounds to me like you have no clue as to what you're listening for.

And we know exactly what you're "listening for." And you're hearing it. Good onya.

Yes. Phrasing. Pitch. If you have listened closely to Augeri in the past, these are very inconsistant
things when he performs live. All of a sudden, it's like a studio take in the mix. There's no
reason to be sarcastic about it. It's right there, and if you can't hear it you either don't want to,
or you just do not have a critical ear.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Phrasing: where the note lands in relation to the beat

Pitch: is the note in tune

[augeri1]

This is to Augeri1 and Survivor/Journey and all the other hard-core Augeri fans – the ones who have decided not to give creed to any of the rumors, no matter what the evidence.

No one has presented any concrete proof of wrongdoing. Graphs, and wave bars are not concrete. Do you want me to make you a graph? A lot of you are late to the party. Pit proved the first recordings were false in a studio, and brought the evidence here for all to see. The timings were way off, even though it was only milliseconds, or fractions of a second they were off, and you can't just randomly throw out evidence you don't like. The studio broke down to breaths, and nano seconds. Numbers few here could even write, much less compute at home.

Where's Jeremeys video of the metronome he used to synch one recording to another? Where's deano's credibility? If you think Deano has credibility, maybe you are gonna hear what you want to hear, and believe what you want to believe anyway, so why challenge me or anyone else to do something you already said you know that no one has to do. According to Deano, they were using tapes to start with. Then it went digital over night. Now he boasts everyone is a fraud, and that no way anyone not named Deen can sing at all. Are you really serious with this mindless garble you threw out here? What good is an answer gonna do you?

And another thing Mr cheap shot artist, Call this class?

"Perry is hurt in every way in which journey is, However, I don't think they can be sued by Perry, because he signed over the whatever it is he did...... "

"Fuck them. Was it worth it, Jon? Yeah, Jon. I know what's up. Care to be a man in your sorry life? "

"Come on Jon, Herbie was right...and I quote, "you are a motherfucker."

Craig's got more class and brains than all of you nubs put together and none of you can even challenge what he's brought to the table. He outted Deano for what he is, blew his entire conspiracy theory out of the water, yet you pheads still believe what you want...that ain't gonna change. Asked Andrew to stop it so it wouldn't get as far out of hand as it has, yet he got ignored and censored...wtf happened to free speech? My thought is, it's only free if it benefits Deano or MR. But you'd really have to open your eyes to see that one. I'm curious as to how many people have different usernames..oh but it's not illegal..lol no, but it's pathetic that you have to stoop that low to make a case against an innocent man. Go ahead and ream me for calling him innocent too..I could give a rats ass, it's not just the hard core folks who think he's innocent either, there's lots of others, they're just scared to enter the fray and getting attacked by the low lifes. That's some forum, Andy. I for one could give a shit, I'll be damned if I'll back down to anyone out to damage someone's career without proof, and proof you do not have!

You think your right, therefore everyone else is wrong no matter if they bring forth evidence to dispute you or not. Your fearless leader is running out of steam, grasping, reaching and the lowest form of life on this planet that you can get...but maybe I should put it on a tape or two before you can actually "hear" that. Try thinking for yourselves, because your hero is in a lot of hot water...scalding.

xoxo;
Hard Core Augeri Supporter

[Red13JoePa]

I just can't figure out if the stance is he's struggling like hell last tour and this opening leg as is said when the discussion swings one way, or if the stance is that he's hitting unreachable notes and sounding too good to be true this tour and last as you're saying now.

[Perry_Rainbows]

Pit proved the first recordings were false in a studio, and brought the evidence here for all to see.

That's false. Pit went into a studio and lined up the DVD track and a bootleg track played them simultaneously together and said the timing was off.
No shit!!!!!
Of course they were!
ONLY the lead vocal is lipped using the dvd. The timing of both tracks would only be identical to the DVD if Neal and Jon faked their instruments using the DVD. They are not. The lead vocal is channeled in by Elson independently.
Pit is a clodhopper.

...and none of you can even challenge what he's brought to the table.

Funny, I just did.

[Abitaman]

First off, Jeremey's proof proves Deano is wrong!!! Deano has stated that Augeri has not sung live at all this year overseas. I have stated before to Deano that I thought Augeri might be getting some help from Deen or a click track, J's proof proves that and nothing more. Maybe too much help, but this is not the smoking gun that he thinks it is. I support Augeri and the band, and want Augeri to stay as the lead singer. The group does need to take some time off, let Augeri heal, and then get their butts back in the studio and make another smokin cd.
But J's proof, is not damaging. Best Aerosmith show I ever saw was in 89, and fan ran up on stage and tackled Tyler, both he and the fan landed in a heap, with the micrphone about 10 feet away, and Tlyer was still singing Jamie got a gun. And yea, I saw this with my own two eyes, I was second row on the side stage right in front of me. Tyler got up (vocals played for about 8 seconds before they stopped) started singing again, and after the song was over said, What they guy trying to do ruin my singing voice? Place went wild....
So my point is, what's the point. So what if some one needs vocal help, isn't reverb vocal help to? Didn't schon for years keep a backstgae guitar player to help his sound sound fuller? Augeri is an awesome singer, and will be again, if given the time. But for this matter, there is nothing underhanded as Ego would have you believe.
And about MR. Deano he has yet to prove his point, thet Augeri is lipping a show. And while we are talking Deano, don't let him fool you. HE IS NOT THE ONE TO "FIND THIS SMOKING GUN" Deano had no idea this was going on, until a fellow poster, who is no longer with us here, brought this to his attention. So thoses of you out there falling down worshipping Deano for finding this and enlightning you, your wrong. And if being enlightned means cussing, yelling, and what other tactics you fell will work to belittle and abuse the person who disagrees with you, you can stay with Deano. And yes are side does the same at times, but to sound like a kid, WHO STARTED IT. We are all acting like kids at a point onn this, but some (on both sides) have stayed away from the heat. Pitt coming to this board is a good think, you have to fight fire with fire at times. And Deano he will bring the heat to you Deano, and I'm glad to have all the other Augeri supporters here too.
Jeremey you were the first one to take the time and not cuss, swear, or belittle someone with this. THANK YOU!!!! But it is not proof of a lip sung show "like" Deano wants everyone to believe. I will say this too, since it needs to be said, I have studio software at home, that can take the vocal out of a song, and put in another, it is not a quick easy process, but it can be done, and would take me weeks to do a show.
Having said that, Deano and me did a trade (which I never got my stuff) and in that trade Deano got 2 of these music programs from me. BUT in all fairness Deano has told me he never got them. So I sent them again, and Deano resent mine. Neither one of us got ours. (Another person here sent me something 3 times before I got it). BUT the second one I sent had a dvd and a cd, that Deano has mentioned listening to. True someone else could have sent him the same thing the same week, since it as the following week he mentioned it. And did I mention the postal tracking I put on the second one said he got the package? When Deano said he didn't get the second, and he had mailed mine out twice weeks ago, I asked if he had moved and gave him the address I had on him. He never replied, so no reason the bring up the tracking to him. I not saying Deano doctored the tracks that he has, but one has to wonder, since he "didn't" get my packages. Wish I never sent them, or anything to him. Live and learn. But you can thake this info however you want to. I know it is my word against Deano's so make your own judgements. But I have never cussed or lied to anyone here.
Well anyway it is time for me to go, on vaction down on the Mississppi Gulf coast, visting all my old friends, and I'm at the Missions to Military right now, using their computer for my personal stuff, so talk to yall when I get back-ERIC (and Dean, I know there are spelling mistakes in here, my time is up so I'm not going back to double check)

[cetera]

Hmmm....

Perry_Rainbows has just made his fourth post yet he seems to know Pit etc in quite some detail. Anyone sense another 'regular' posting on here under a new pseudonym?

[conversationpc]

I just can't figure out if the stance is he's struggling like hell last tour and this opening leg as is said when the discussion swings one way, or if the stance is that he's hitting unreachable notes and sounding too good to be true this tour and last as you're saying now.

When I saw them on last year's tour, and it was one of the first few shows, his voice didn't sound so hot until later in the set. He sounded ragged on the first few songs and sounded OK by the end of the night. Deen was the real star of that show, though.

[Perry_Rainbows]

Hmmm....

Perry_Rainbows has just made his fourth post yet he seems to know Pit etc in quite some detail. Anyone sense another 'regular' posting on here under a new pseudonym?

I'm a long time lurker.
That a crime, mister nazi gestappo man?

[Perry_Rainbows]

First off, Jeremey's proof proves Deano is wrong!!! Deano has stated that Augeri has not sung live at all this year overseas. I have stated before to Deano that I thought Augeri might be getting some help from Deen or a click track, J's proof proves that and nothing more. Maybe too much help, but this is not the smoking gun that he thinks it is. I support Augeri and the band, and want Augeri to stay as the lead singer. The group does need to take some time off, let Augeri heal, and then get their butts back in the studio and make another smokin cd.
But J's proof, is not damaging. Best Aerosmith show I ever saw was in 89, and fan ran up on stage and tackled Tyler, both he and the fan landed in a heap, with the micrphone about 10 feet away, and Tlyer was still singing Jamie got a gun. And yea, I saw this with my own two eyes, I was second row on the side stage right in front of me. Tyler got up (vocals played for about 8 seconds before they stopped) started singing again, and after the song was over said, What they guy trying to do ruin my singing voice? Place went wild....
So my point is, what's the point. So what if some one needs vocal help, isn't reverb vocal help to? Didn't schon for years keep a backstgae guitar player to help his sound sound fuller? Augeri is an awesome singer, and will be again, if given the time. But for this matter, there is nothing underhanded as Ego would have you believe.
And about MR. Deano he has yet to prove his point, thet Augeri is lipping a show. And while we are talking Deano, don't let him fool you. HE IS NOT THE ONE TO "FIND THIS SMOKING GUN" Deano had no idea this was going on, until a fellow poster, who is no longer with us here, brought this to his attention. So thoses of you out there falling down worshipping Deano for finding this and enlightning you, your wrong. And if being enlightned means cussing, yelling, and what other tactics you fell will work to belittle and abuse the person who disagrees with you, you can stay with Deano. And yes are side does the same at times, but to sound like a kid, WHO STARTED IT. We are all acting like kids at a point onn this, but some (on both sides) have stayed away from the heat. Pitt coming to this board is a good think, you have to fight fire with fire at times. And Deano he will bring the heat to you Deano, and I'm glad to have all the other Augeri supporters here too.
Jeremey you were the first one to take the time and not cuss, swear, or belittle someone with this. THANK YOU!!!! But it is not proof of a lip sung show "like" Deano wants everyone to believe. I will say this too, since it needs to be said, I have studio software at home, that can take the vocal out of a song, and put in another, it is not a quick easy process, but it can be done, and would take me weeks to do a show.
Having said that, Deano and me did a trade (which I never got my stuff) and in that trade Deano got 2 of these music programs from me. BUT in all fairness Deano has told me he never got them. So I sent them again, and Deano resent mine. Neither one of us got ours. (Another person here sent me something 3 times before I got it). BUT the second one I sent had a dvd and a cd, that Deano has mentioned listening to. True someone else could have sent him the same thing the same week, since it as the following week he mentioned it. And did I mention the postal tracking I put on the second one said he got the package? When Deano said he didn't get the second, and he had mailed mine out twice weeks ago, I asked if he had moved and gave him the address I had on him. He never replied, so no reason the bring up the tracking to him. I not saying Deano doctored the tracks that he has, but one has to wonder, since he "didn't" get my packages. Wish I never sent them, or anything to him. Live and learn. But you can thake this info however you want to. I know it is my word against Deano's so make your own judgements. But I have never cussed or lied to anyone here.
Well anyway it is time for me to go, on vaction down on the Mississppi Gulf coast, visting all my old friends, and I'm at the Missions to Military right now, using their computer for my personal stuff, so talk to yall when I get back-ERIC (and Dean, I know there are spelling mistakes in here, my time is up so I'm not going back to double check)

Were talking massive fraud here of unprecedented proportions.
Britney Spears sings more at her shows than Augeri currently does.

[augeri1]

ONLY the lead vocal is lipped using the dvd.

But on the contrary...according to Deano the entire band EXCEPT Deen is lipping..that's a lot of independent channeling.

Hmmm....

Perry_Rainbows has just made his fourth post yet he seems to know Pit etc in quite some detail. Anyone sense another 'regular' posting on here under a new pseudonym?

That don't go on in this forum, does it?

[Perry_Rainbows]

But on the contrary...according to Deano the entire band EXCEPT Deen is lipping..that's a lot of independent channeling.

Dean was obvious being sarcastic. Where did he say that. I never read it.

[JrnySuxBalls]

When I saw them on last year's tour, and it was one of the first few shows, his voice didn't sound so hot until later in the set. He sounded ragged on the first few songs and sounded OK by the end of the night. Deen was the real star of that show, though.

I saw a show last year after Deen had vocal problems. I was surprised at how good Augeri sounded.
I was proud of him, "yeah he's worked thru it and it's paid off!"

What sux is now I know why.

[Perry_Rainbows]

Ha! Heavens to Besty no. Never. Everyone on here's always been who they always were and claimed to be.

Would you also like to check to see if my papers are in order, Mister Nazi Gestappo Fascist AssholeMan?
I am free to post here like anyone else.

[Red13JoePa]

ONLY the lead vocal is lipped using the dvd.

But on the contrary...according to Deano the entire band EXCEPT Deen is lipping..that's a lot of independent channeling.

Hmmm....

Perry_Rainbows has just made his fourth post yet he seems to know Pit etc in quite some detail. Anyone sense another 'regular' posting on here under a new pseudonym?

That don't go on in this forum, does it?

HA! Heavens to besty, NO. Everyone on here's always who they've always been and always claimed to be. No aliases ever deployed.

[Abitaman]

First off, Jeremey's proof proves Deano is wrong!!! Deano has stated that Augeri has not sung live at all this year overseas. I have stated before to Deano that I thought Augeri might be getting some help from Deen or a click track, J's proof proves that and nothing more. Maybe too much help, but this is not the smoking gun that he thinks it is. I support Augeri and the band, and want Augeri to stay as the lead singer. The group does need to take some time off, let Augeri heal, and then get their butts back in the studio and make another smokin cd.
But J's proof, is not damaging. Best Aerosmith show I ever saw was in 89, and fan ran up on stage and tackled Tyler, both he and the fan landed in a heap, with the micrphone about 10 feet away, and Tlyer was still singing Jamie got a gun. And yea, I saw this with my own two eyes, I was second row on the side stage right in front of me. Tyler got up (vocals played for about 8 seconds before they stopped) started singing again, and after the song was over said, What they guy trying to do ruin my singing voice? Place went wild....
So my point is, what's the point. So what if some one needs vocal help, isn't reverb vocal help to? Didn't schon for years keep a backstgae guitar player to help his sound sound fuller? Augeri is an awesome singer, and will be again, if given the time. But for this matter, there is nothing underhanded as Ego would have you believe.
And about MR. Deano he has yet to prove his point, thet Augeri is lipping a show. And while we are talking Deano, don't let him fool you. HE IS NOT THE ONE TO "FIND THIS SMOKING GUN" Deano had no idea this was going on, until a fellow poster, who is no longer with us here, brought this to his attention. So thoses of you out there falling down worshipping Deano for finding this and enlightning you, your wrong. And if being enlightned means cussing, yelling, and what other tactics you fell will work to belittle and abuse the person who disagrees with you, you can stay with Deano. And yes are side does the same at times, but to sound like a kid, WHO STARTED IT. We are all acting like kids at a point onn this, but some (on both sides) have stayed away from the heat. Pitt coming to this board is a good think, you have to fight fire with fire at times. And Deano he will bring the heat to you Deano, and I'm glad to have all the other Augeri supporters here too.
Jeremey you were the first one to take the time and not cuss, swear, or belittle someone with this. THANK YOU!!!! But it is not proof of a lip sung show "like" Deano wants everyone to believe. I will say this too, since it needs to be said, I have studio software at home, that can take the vocal out of a song, and put in another, it is not a quick easy process, but it can be done, and would take me weeks to do a show.
Having said that, Deano and me did a trade (which I never got my stuff) and in that trade Deano got 2 of these music programs from me. BUT in all fairness Deano has told me he never got them. So I sent them again, and Deano resent mine. Neither one of us got ours. (Another person here sent me something 3 times before I got it). BUT the second one I sent had a dvd and a cd, that Deano has mentioned listening to. True someone else could have sent him the same thing the same week, since it as the following week he mentioned it. And did I mention the postal tracking I put on the second one said he got the package? When Deano said he didn't get the second, and he had mailed mine out twice weeks ago, I asked if he had moved and gave him the address I had on him. He never replied, so no reason the bring up the tracking to him. I not saying Deano doctored the tracks that he has, but one has to wonder, since he "didn't" get my packages. Wish I never sent them, or anything to him. Live and learn. But you can thake this info however you want to. I know it is my word against Deano's so make your own judgements. But I have never cussed or lied to anyone here.
Well anyway it is time for me to go, on vaction down on the Mississppi Gulf coast, visting all my old friends, and I'm at the Missions to Military right now, using their computer for my personal stuff, so talk to yall when I get back-ERIC (and Dean, I know there are spelling mistakes in here, my time is up so I'm not going back to double check)

Were talking massive fraud here of unprecedented proportions.
Britney Spears sings more at her shows than Augeri currently does.

Britney does not sing at all, I would be surprise, if it was her voice on the cd
Deano hasn't proved anything other than he will cuss you out and belittle you if you think different than him.-ERIC

[Perry_Rainbows]

Deano hasn't proved anything other than he will cuss you out and belittle you if you think different than him.-ERIC

Svante, Jeremy....all these guys on the take, as well?
Deano paying them off or something.
get real.
Jeremy is the most passionate Journey fan in the existance.
he's devoted half his life to re-creating the Journey experience on stage for people.
If he says its lipped u better believe him.

[augeri1]

Dean was obvious being sarcastic. Where did he say that. I never read it.

Hell if that's the case then he's riddled this whole forum with sarcasm..c'mon..scroll down to Deen, Deen, Deen. He's reaching.

[Perry_Rainbows]

Dean was obvious being sarcastic. Where did he say that. I never read it.

Hell if that's the case then he's riddled this whole forum with sarcasm..c'mon..scroll down to Deen, Deen, Deen. He's reaching.

Please answer my question.
Where did Dean say that?
I have talked with him in private.
Augeri is the only one lipping extensively.

[A Fire Inside]

Please answer my question.
Where did Dean say that?
I have talked with him in private.
Augeri is the only one lipping extensively.

He HAS said that none of them but Deen sing nowadays, but I'm not going to sit here for an hour and find it.

[Perry_Rainbows]

Please answer my question.
Where did Dean say that?
I have talked with him in private.
Augeri is the only one lipping extensively.

He HAS said that none of them but Deen sing nowadays, but I'm not going to sit here for an hour and find it.

I have talked with Dean.
If he said that, it was in gest.
Augeri is the only one lipping massively.
My bootlegs confirm this.