C'MON JOURNEY!! ADDRESS THIS!!!

[wildone]

Ok, can we now finally stop talking about BackTalk????

I never did... but I would, gladly!!! lol

So hows the weather over there in NY?

[FormerJrnyFan]

Ok, can we now finally stop talking about BackTalk????

I never did... but I would, gladly!!! lol

So hows the weather over there in NY?

kinda good (today)... kinda bad, probably tomorrow! lol

[jrnysc]

I am becoming convinced that only a few people are going to receive an "official" response. It will either be in the form of a letter from an attorney representing Journey or a subpoena. When you publicly defame someone like has been done to Journey in the media over the last few weeks, I would suggest having your evidence, your expert witnesses lined up to validate the files, and be able to prove BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that the allegations are true. Otherwise, life could get real interesting really fast.

[Memorex]

Can you please stop with all this legal BS? It sounds so lame. I think if one more person tries to say Journey can do anything to Deano, Jeremy, or any others, I will line up for the class action suit to make Journey answer these allegations.

Anyone care to site the law or a case that shows Deano has done anything wrong? Funny how Arsenio Hall was not threatened with legal troubles when he kept calling on Milli Vanilli to answer the allegations. All the people that have said Madonna, Janet, and Brittney do it - are they in jail?

Come on folks, let's get real.

[jrnysc]

Can you please stop with all this legal BS? It sounds so lame. I think if one more person tries to say Journey can do anything to Deano, Jeremy, or any others, I will line up for the class action suit to make Journey answer these allegations.

Anyone care to site the law or a case that shows Deano has done anything wrong? Funny how Arsenio Hall was not threatened with legal troubles when he kept calling on Milli Vanilli to answer the allegations. All the people that have said Madonna, Janet, and Brittney do it - are they in jail?

Come on folks, let's get real.

Yes. It sounds lame till the letter comes in the mail. Then you say to yourself "is this really worth it?"

[Memorex]

What letter? There is no legal basis for a letter. Again - silly.

Is it worth it - yea, I think the band owes their fans an explanation. Don't you?

[jrnysc]

slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications.

Yes, I believe they have reason for a letter. A simple letter giving the people a chance to stop before legal documents are filed.

[Memorex]

I don't believe it is illegal to accuse someone of something, especially when you believe you have reasonable proof.

You are assuming the allegations are false. Deano (and I and others) believe whole-heartedly that the allegations are true. Deano is not being reckless because he feels he has decent proof.

How about instead of an intimidating letter threatening a long-time fan with legal action over his concerns, the band simply adress the accusations? Only one reason they wouldn't, in my opinion.

[jrnysc]

I don't believe it is illegal to accuse someone of something, especially when you believe you have reasonable proof.

You are assuming the allegations are false. Deano (and I and others) believe whole-heartedly that the allegations are true. Deano is not being reckless because he feels he has decent proof.

How about instead of an intimidating letter threatening a long-time fan with legal action over his concerns, the band simply adress the accusations? Only one reason they wouldn't, in my opinion.

Memorex, I am not trying to argue with you here. The issue here would be if it harms the band in some way and is not true. I cannot say whether it is or is not. However, when you start putting the accusations in writing, going on the air with radio stations etc., there is no way out if they are not guilty and decided to pursue it. In other words, Deano's hands are all over this. He could not say "I'm not the one that did this". Do I think Journey will pursue this? No, not unless they are affected. Right now from what I understand tickets are selling like hotcakes for this show. Do I think their legal team is aware and investigating? Probably so, but certainly have no inside knowledge. Do I think Journey will respond? No. Probably have not lost a minutes sleep over it to this point. I would like to hear if any fans have seen them and ask them about this, and what if any their response was. From what I know of these guys, they are open to fans on just about anything.

[Memorex]

I think if they were open, they would be doing radio and putting out statements. They know it makes them look bad not to talk.

It's weird - the longer this goes on, the more I feel like someone needs to take it to the next level. And I am not usually like that. It seems like such a slap in the face to the fans and to the legacy of Journey to ignore it.

I honestly think Journey should be far more concerned than Deano at this point.

I honestly don't want to hurt the band or Steve Augeri. He seems like a nice enough guy. I disagree with most of the names Deano has called him. But I do want the band to address this and I think we need to start taking steps to make that happen. If it turns out to be false, then I'll blame all of us a little and I'll blame Journey a lot. Because they could have done something early on to stop it. They have fed it.

[jrnysc]

I think if they were open, they would be doing radio and putting out statements. They know it makes them look bad not to talk.

It's weird - the longer this goes on, the more I feel like someone needs to take it to the next level. And I am not usually like that. It seems like such a slap in the face to the fans and to the legacy of Journey to ignore it.

I honestly think Journey should be far more concerned than Deano at this point.

I honestly don't want to hurt the band or Steve Augeri. He seems like a nice enough guy. I disagree with most of the names Deano has called him. But I do want the band to address this and I think we need to start taking steps to make that happen. If it turns out to be false, then I'll blame all of us a little and I'll blame Journey a lot. Because they could have done something early on to stop it. They have fed it.

Yes sir, I agree. I too like most others wish it would be addressed. Although I don't know for fact, it sounded like Andrew, CJ and others were expecting an official response. I'm not sure what else to say or think. Does that automatically make them guilty? Certainly not. However, Neal has a mean streak in him, and I would have thought he would have been pissed and said something right off the bat.

[bionic]

I think if they were open, they would be doing radio and putting out statements. They know it makes them look bad not to talk.

It's weird - the longer this goes on, the more I feel like someone needs to take it to the next level. And I am not usually like that. It seems like such a slap in the face to the fans and to the legacy of Journey to ignore it.

I honestly think Journey should be far more concerned than Deano at this point.

I honestly don't want to hurt the band or Steve Augeri. He seems like a nice enough guy. I disagree with most of the names Deano has called him. But I do want the band to address this and I think we need to start taking steps to make that happen. If it turns out to be false, then I'll blame all of us a little and I'll blame Journey a lot. Because they could have done something early on to stop it. They have fed it.

Yes sir, I agree. I too like most others wish it would be addressed. Although I don't know for fact, it sounded like Andrew, CJ and others were expecting an official response. I'm not sure what else to say or think. Does that automatically make them guilty? Certainly not. However, Neal has a mean streak in him, and I would have thought he would have been pissed and said something right off the bat.

CJ told me that the band were going to address this a week or two ago,so Bt must be wondering why the band are saying nothing

[jrnysc]

I think if they were open, they would be doing radio and putting out statements. They know it makes them look bad not to talk.

It's weird - the longer this goes on, the more I feel like someone needs to take it to the next level. And I am not usually like that. It seems like such a slap in the face to the fans and to the legacy of Journey to ignore it.

I honestly think Journey should be far more concerned than Deano at this point.

I honestly don't want to hurt the band or Steve Augeri. He seems like a nice enough guy. I disagree with most of the names Deano has called him. But I do want the band to address this and I think we need to start taking steps to make that happen. If it turns out to be false, then I'll blame all of us a little and I'll blame Journey a lot. Because they could have done something early on to stop it. They have fed it.

Thanks for the info. I thought CJ had mentioned it.
Yes sir, I agree. I too like most others wish it would be addressed. Although I don't know for fact, it sounded like Andrew, CJ and others were expecting an official response. I'm not sure what else to say or think. Does that automatically make them guilty? Certainly not. However, Neal has a mean streak in him, and I would have thought he would have been pissed and said something right off the bat.

CJ told me that the band were going to address this a week or two ago,so Bt must be wondering why the band are saying nothing

[conversationpc]

Perhaps they are in the process of analyzing the evidence? Who knows.

[i]

I haven't had time to read through everything on the board, has Andrew weighed in lately?

Surely someone, at least from BT would tell him SOMETHING

[swepett]

I would like to hear if any fans have seen them and ask them about this, and what if any their response was. From what I know of these guys, they are open to fans on just about anything.

Yeah, and don't they do any interviews or press conferences on tour? You would think someone would ask them then.

[jrnysc]

I would like to hear if any fans have seen them and ask them about this, and what if any their response was. From what I know of these guys, they are open to fans on just about anything.

Yeah, and don't they do any interviews or press conferences on tour? You would think someone would ask them then.

Yes, they normally do radio interviews quite often.

[heardonthestreet]

Neal probably just says, "No comment, ya know?"

[Memorex]

And Jon will say, "Journey's music is timeless... On a loop."

[Big J]

This is all very simple. There's been no response because the allegations are baseless and absurd.

[swepett]

This is all very simple. There's been no response because the allegations are baseless and absurd.

How do you know?

[whocares]

If there was any reason to sue a fan for the allegations, then everyone would be able to sue the Bill O'Reiley's and left wing nuts of the world, just for spouting the BS he spouts.

The blind leading the blind will get you nowhere.

[StyxCollector]

This is all very simple. There's been no response because the allegations are baseless and absurd.

Silence can mean one of many things. Here's the top 3 in my mind:

1. There is some truth to the rumor, and responding to it, only to later have to recant it, is a publicity nightmare.
2. The band really doesn't care even if it is true and it's all about the money, so if fans are willing to shell out for the product they produce no mater what.
3. It isn't true and they are waiting and gathering evidence, and will spring legal action against Deano.

To be honest, I would think how long this has been going on, #3 would have happened if it were the case. Azoff is known to put legal folks to work. I think it is a mixture of #1 and #2.

[whocares]

Either way a lot of people are getting bent out of shape, (maybe) more than they normally would. In today's society, it's guilty until proven innocent, no matter how wrong that idea is.

IF it's false, then I agree, they would have taken some sort of action by now. They aren't and so we will maybe never know for sure. Because of their silence, many people who were TRUE fans of the band have abandoned them. They don't seem to be too worried about that fact. And that's too bad.

[Big J]

This is all very simple. There's been no response because the allegations are baseless and absurd.

How do you know?

How do YOU know?

[Big J]

Either way a lot of people are getting bent out of shape, (maybe) more than they normally would. In today's society, it's guilty until proven innocent, no matter how wrong that idea is.

IF it's false, then I agree, they would have taken some sort of action by now. They aren't and so we will maybe never know for sure. Because of their silence, many people who were TRUE fans of the band have abandoned them. They don't seem to be too worried about that fact. And that's too bad.

The actions they've taken are fine by me. Those actions are they're on tour, busting ass, and putting on great shows night after night.

Why should they give some small-time shyster bullshit the time of day? Online conspiracy theories are nothing new, and they're all generally the same.

I feel sorry for the people who buy into this shit. But it's their problem. I'll keep enjoying the music, thanks.

[swepett]

This is all very simple. There's been no response because the allegations are baseless and absurd.

How do you know?

How do YOU know?

I've said many times what I have seen and heard, I don't think it has to be repeated again.

[whocares]

The actions they've taken are fine by me. Those actions are they're on tour, busting ass, and putting on great shows night after night.

Why should they give some small-time shyster bullshit the time of day? Online conspiracy theories are nothing new, and they're all generally the same.

I feel sorry for the people who buy into this shit. But it's their problem. I'll keep enjoying the music, thanks.

well, la te da.... enjoy the music, I'm not saying you can't. But as I have said over and over, the blind leading the blind will get you nowhere. The fans who say the band can do no wrong, are dellusional. Whether anything about this is true or not.

It's not about giving a "shyster" the time of day, it's about being RESPECTFUL to their fans and saying something/anything. Even if SOME fans aren't being respectful to the band. I think that the blind fans who say they can do no wrong, and are talking "for the band" are harming the band as much if not more then the "shysters" of this whole fiasco.

[EightyRock]

Swepett: "I've said many times what I have seen and heard, I don't think it has to be repeated again."

Obviously, it does, because too many either haven't read your account of what happened or they think it doesn't have any credibilty.

[swepett]

Obviously, it does, because too many either haven't read your account of what happened or they think it doesn't have any credibilty.

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